Defying Bush And Cheney, White House Science Adviser Acknowledges Man-Made Warming Is A Fact
Defying Bush And Cheney, White House Science Adviser Acknowledges Man-Made Warming Is A Fact
In an interview with the BBC, Professor John Marburger, Bush’s chief science adviser, said it was an “unequivocal” fact that climate change is man-made and that greenhouse gases emitted by human activity are to blame.
Marburger said he “strongly agrees” with the IPCC reports and “supports its conclusions.” He added:
I think there is widespread agreement on certain basics, and one of the most important is that we are producing far more CO2 from fossil fuels than we ought to be. And it’s going to lead to trouble unless we can begin to reduce the amount of fossil fuels we are burning and using in our economies. [...]
The CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere and there’s no end point, it just gets hotter and hotter, and so at some point it becomes unliveable.
Watch the BBC report:
Roger Harrabin, the BBC climate reporter who conducted the interview, noted that “historically, the White House has given a number of different messages on climate change. You hear one message from Dick Cheney saying that there’s a debate we’ll have to carry on.” On the other hand, Marburger says the science is undisputed. So far, Cheney has been winning the battle in setting U.S. policy.
Just this past February, Cheney asserted, “There does not appear to be a consensus” that global warming is “caused by man.” Bush has repeatedly echoed Cheney’s line that there is a “debate” over the science.
Harrabin noted that “there is very little pressure from the public,” causing a kind of “stasis” in the climate change debate. “The headway in the U.S. is very slow,” he said, “and that feeds into the international process where other countries are looking at the U.S. and saying, hey, you’re the big emitter, if you’re not cutting, then how’s that going to impact on our industries.”
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Hope his resume is updated.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:21 pmOnly troglodytes like Shrub and Cheney deny such blatantly obvious science.
-and their boot-lickin’, knuckle-draggin’ supporters.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:22 pmWell, duh!
Any hominid know this.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:25 pmSend this traitor to the Russian Front!
/sarcasm off
September 14th, 2007 at 12:26 pmbut…but…Mars!
September 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmOh my god…
someone in this administration listening to facts!!!
how the hell did he keep picking up a paycheck??
September 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmfrancois IS mr. p.
He’s often gone ‘nice’, adopted a new name, only to predictably fall into one of his patented rants of sexism/racism.
Notice his pre-pubescent fixation on another ‘woman’, something he’ll never know intimately.
So pathetic.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThis guys gonna be looking for a new job by morning.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:33 pmfrancois IS mr. p.
Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — September 14, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Clearly.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmChina anyone? China.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm“-and their boot-lickin’, knuckle-draggin’ supporters.
Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — September 14, 2007 @ 12:22 pm”
Which includes myself and over 17000 scientists:
http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/03/04/17000-scientists-dissent-no-consensus-on-global-warming/
If you want to swallow whole the pablum offered by alarmists and anti-tech and anti-human buffs, please feel free to do so.
The rest of us choose to actually think.
Explain please the fact that other planets are warming concurrently along with the Earth?
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
September 14th, 2007 at 12:39 pmSend this traitor to the Russian Front!
/sarcasm off
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 14, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Which is becoming more and more balmy each year, coincidentally. Permafrost? Ha! More like PermaFUN! In the SUN!
September 14th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIn the wake of scandal, a measure of scientific integrity returns to the white house. Boo-yah!
September 14th, 2007 at 12:42 pmThe rest of us choose to actually think.
I knew the whole bigfoot story was a joke, and this proves it.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:42 pmBut that’s not what Rush Limbaugh tells me. He says Glaciers are actually growing!*
* On Mt St Helens – duh.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmO Bigmouth: “Explain please the fact that other planets are warming concurrently along with the Earth?”
Why is it that so many people mindlessly accept these completely irrelevant talking points from shills paid by the fossile fuel industry to spread confusion? Are people like O Bigmouth simply stupid, or is there something more to this?
September 14th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThanks dumbfoot for the Conservative point of view (and partisan links).
In light of how f*cked up Conservatives have been running things, it’s time too let those with more common sense and compassion show you the way.
Like the mythical creature, you’re viewpoints are ancient, disproved and mostly laughed at.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThe Bush administrations attempts to stem the tide of evidence on global warming is like the proverbial kid with his finger in the dike trying to prevent the inevitable.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThe rest of us choose to actually think.
Explain please the fact that other planets are warming concurrently along with the Earth?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
No you don’t. You choose to align yourself with the anti-science propagandists for whom climate change denial is nothing more than an investment in future revenues. That’s not “thinking” it’s “finding evidence on the fringes of science to support your pre-concieved notions.”
And FYI – we live on Earth, not Mars or Pluto. The other planets in the solar system have their own orbital fluctuations, volcanic eruptions, and other factors that do cause natural temperature changes over time, as does the Earth. These have absolutely nothing to do with the changes that are caused by human-produced greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:51 pmJohn Marburger is a traitor to science. He has done much from his little perch in the White House to defend and enable Bush’s War on Science. My bet is that he is trying to rehabilitate his tattered reputation before leaving the White House. Good luck with that, John!
September 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pmSomewhere in heaven,Carl Sagan is crying.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pmbush and cheney are sitting alone on an increasingly shrinking iceberg. Even their bb, and propaganda mouthpiece rupert murdoch is on board with dealing with global warming:
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/05/09/murdoch/
September 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“He’s a traitor and a RINO!”
September 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pm[Cannibal troll]
Which includes myself and over 17000 scientists:
http://theanchoressonline.com/ 2007/ 03/ 04/ 17000-scientists-dissent-no-consensus-on-global-warming/
The rest of us choose to actually think.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Listen up, idiot: you clearly choose NOT to think, or you would realize that this list of 17000 “scientists” is a fraud. Almost none of the signatures on that list are from working scientists, and those few signers who are qualified climatologists signed the list 10-15 years ago back when there was still some legitimate dissent on the issue.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmback when there was still some legitimate dissent on the issue.
Comment by VerbalKint —
Hell, I’ve got a National Geographic from 10 years ago which only mentioned ONCE in passing that global climate change could have an effect, but most likely our weather was governed by patterns like La Nina or El Nino.
That was BEFORE the ice-core research and cataloging.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pmReality is catching up to the ideologs. It’s a beauitful sight. It’s coming a bit late though.
At any rate I look forward to the day when this “debate” is put to rest completely. Just like the “debates” on the links between cigarettes and cancer, and the “debates” on wether women or blacks should be able to vote, etc, etc…
September 14th, 2007 at 1:03 pmOh my, someone connected to this criminal administration speaks the truth, don’t tell the trolls, they hate truth.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWasn’t it back in the 70’s the fear mongering was that we were heading into a new ice age. Of course there is global warming but man only contributes maybe 3-5% of it. See there is something called the sun and it is getting hotter and admitting more radiation causing the earth to heat up. Heck, the entire solar system is getting hotter according to NASA and I know there are no SUV’s on mars. It seems to me that this fear mongering is deflecting away from the real issues like big industries polluting air we breathe and and dumping poisonous chemicals into our lakes, rivers and oceans. To me THAT seems like the pressing issue, NOT the sun getting warmer. It is a huge scam to start restricting your travel and introduce some ridiculous tax that does nothing to protect the enviroment. Wake up people.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWell, looks like we handily defeated THAT troll onslaught. Even the usual conservatrolls know they’re beaten by the facts on this issue.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pmconservatrolls know they’re beaten by the facts on this issue.
Comment by toasterhead
That’s never been adequate to shut them and their BS talking points up.
**sigh**
September 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmYes, they’ve all gone quite haven’t they :)
September 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmBigfoot:
wrong about WMDs
September 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmwrong about Saddam and 9/11
wrong about Climate Change
wrong about last throes
wrong about _________
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Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007
You need to try to convince Marburger, not me.
But lets see what one of the top critics Abdumussar says:
The sun’s increased irradiance over the last century, not C02 emissions, is responsible for the global warming we’re seeing, says the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the great volume of C02 emissions.
Oh, so it is not C02, he claims but its the Suns irradiance that explains that great volume of C02 [huh?]
But has the suns radiance increased?
September 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe Sun’s brightness (or irradiance, which is a direct indicator of the amount of energy coming from the Sun to the Earth) increased between 1977 and 1985, but has been decreasing since 1985
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13463/1066/
I suspect that Professor Marburger will soon realize that he wants to spend more time with his family.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:15 pmChecked out your links BigLoser – sorry but anybody can print crap without facts to back them up…..here I will demonstrate…..95% of scientists think that republicans are closeted gays and 5% know that they are. There how’s that. No facts to back them up, although they do seem true enough now days.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBut has the suns radiance increased?
The Sun’s brightness (or irradiance, which is a direct indicator of the amount of energy coming from the Sun to the Earth) increased between 1977 and 1985, but has been decreasing since 1985
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13463/1066/
Comment by Zep Tepi — September 14, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Not to mention that overall Martian temperatures have not been increasing. The changes in temperature that have been observed on Mars are very localized: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars
September 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmPay no attention to the troll OBigfootinmouth
He still believes that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around him. Keep believing shills whose studies are funded by oil companies and ignoring the scientific community.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:28 pmOh, my…I just read Bigfoot´s link and:
1) there is not a single word about solar irradiance going up.
2) It is an editorial from a Financial section…
what does a financial section columnist could possibly know about Climate Change?
Hasnt Bigfoot mentioned that her wife approved the nuking of Iran? And that he is proud of his loaded rifle? And he is with 17,000 other scientists??? Come on… keep on those Bud lights…
September 14th, 2007 at 1:29 pmwhat does a financial section columnist could possibly know about Climate Change?
Comment by Juan C — September 14, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Tons! I’m sure he knows a lot about the devastating effects of a shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources would have on his portfolio.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by toasterhead — September 14, 2007
Yeh, the very first link I visited from O Bigfoots second link petty much shot itself down, so I am not suprised that Mars is not warming on average.
Bigfoot, and from what I read of his links, seem to forget that irradiance doesn’t only come from the sun, but the stars as well.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“Why is it that so many people mindlessly accept these completely irrelevant talking points from “Think Regress” and other liberal blogs attempting to spread confusion? Are people like myself simply stupid, or is there something more to this?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 12:46 pm”
Fixed that for ya’, Ripper.
Your welcome.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pmO Bigmouth, would it give you a headache to consider the possibility that people in the fossile fuel industry are paid good money to spread misinformation and distortion regarding the issue in order to spread confusion? After all, Exxon has even offered $10K per article to anyone willing to attempt to debunk the scientific consensus on warming.
They’ve got billions in potential profits to protect. What exactly is TP’s stake in this issue? How does TP profit in promoting the idea that humans are causing global climate change?
September 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmMarburger will be fired in 5….4….3….2…
September 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pmBigmouth, you may be too young or possibly too stupid to remember a little thing called “The Tobacco Institute.” For years, the institute paid Doctors and scientists to write articles questioning the link between cigarettes and cancer. The point was to spread confusion and insure that tobacco corporations could make profits for longer in spite of the fact that real scientists and doctors had been warning for years that cigarettes cause cancer. Do you see any similarities between “The Tobacco Institute” and Exxon paying people to debunk global warming?
September 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pmEven if there were something to this fiction of man-made global warming, it would only be counteracting the “global cooling” reported by science in the 1970’s.
So it would appear that burning more fossil fuels is the answer to the natural cooling process which was occuring (according to credible science) 30 years ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1034077.cms
Thank God for fossil fuels!
It’s absolutely astounding how you libs fall for every global disaster theory hook, line and sinker. I guess it’s a good thing our family spent the latter part of the 1970’s traveling around the country in our Sportscoach motor home, guzzling fuel at the rate of around a gallon every 8 miles…we might have all frozen to death by now.
Of course, considering the negative nature of liberal politics in general, it’s not suprising at all that folks of your ilk would rush to embrace even more faulty science, as long as it predicts dire disaster for the world and universally blames the United States for the condition. It’s all part of the hatred for country and self-loathing which are symptoms of the mental disorder known as “Liberalism”.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pm“Why is it that so many people mindlessly accept these completely irrelevant talking points from “Think Regress†and other liberal blogs attempting to spread confusion? Are people like myself simply stupid, or is there something more to this?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 12:46 pmâ€
Fixed that for ya’, Ripper.
Your welcome.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Ok, let’s examine this idea.
Q: What motive would anyone have for opposing dealing with global warming?
A: Special interested groups that are invested in the current fossil fuel energy industry. A desire to drive large gas-guzzling vehicles.
Q: What motive would anyone have for promoting dealing with global warming?
A: Concern for the environment. I desire to head off a potential dissaster that could lead to the deaths or dis-placement of millions. A healthier environment for us all to live in.
Hmmm… one side really seems more attractive to me. And more responsible.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:01 pmDo you see any similarities between “The Tobacco Institute†and Exxon paying people to debunk global warming?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
They have more in common than many people realize. Take for example Steven Milloy, the “junk science” guy and regular Fox commentator-liar who is a propaganda specialist working for Big Oil. Milloy cut his teeth as a tobacco lobbyist. The current focus of Milloy’s ongoing propaganda efforts:
1. global warming is a fraud
September 14th, 2007 at 2:06 pm2. second-hand tobaccor smoke is not dangerous
3. DDT is not dangerous and should be re-legalized
4. obesity is not a problem
It’s absolutely astounding how you libs fall for every global disaster theory hook, line and sinker. I guess it’s a good thing our family spent the latter part of the 1970’s traveling around the country in our Sportscoach motor home, guzzling fuel at the rate of around a gallon every 8 miles…we might have all frozen to death by now.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
So now you accept the theory of anthropoegenic global climate change?
Great to have you on board!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pmEven if there were something to this fiction of man-made global warming, it would only be counteracting the “global cooling†reported by science in the 1970’s.
Bigfoot never tires of repeating the same discredited talking points. This one is deader than a doornail.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:08 pmIt’s all part of the hatred for country and self-loathing which are symptoms of the mental disorder known as “Liberalismâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
If your child stole a candy bar from the store would you
A. tell them its okay, because your family has the moral authority to steal,
or
B. tell them it isn’t okay?
The biggest blinder people like you have O. Big, is you believe whatever the US does in the world is okay, because the US is doing it. If something is wrong, it is wrong. I don’t hate my country. I would like it to not just stand for justice and freedom, but to also actually use its military ,and economy to achieve those goals.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBigFoot does not have BigBrain……I sure hope that evolution takes care of neanderthals like that, what an idiot.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:16 pmGood for Marburg.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm(He must not have gotten the memo from the WH.. or his check from Exxon..)
“Q: What motive would anyone have for opposing dealing with global warming?
A: Special interested groups that are invested in the current fossil fuel energy industry. A desire to drive large gas-guzzling vehicles.
Q: What motive would anyone have for promoting dealing with global warming?
A: Concern for the environment. I desire to head off a potential dissaster that could lead to the deaths or dis-placement of millions. A healthier environment for us all to live in.
Hmmm… one side really seems more attractive to me. And more responsible.
Comment by DigDug — September 14, 2007 @ 2:01 pm”
And what motive could anyone have for promoting global warming?
How about Al Gore (th tobacco farmer) finding a “politically-correct” use for himself, making a comfortable living flying around in his personal jet selling books, phony carbon offset credits, and demanding huge speaking fees from gullible followers?
How about political power?
How about scientists looking for funding so they can while away their years in shiny laboratories where they don’t have to produce anything but theory?
And how about the biggest reason of all: Controlling human behavior through fear of global disaster? “Keep the folks worried about dire consequences, and we power mongers can get away with practically anything!”
This fallacy of human caused global warming is the “atomic radiation” of the new century. Prepare for the attack of the giant spiders, ants, and for humans with the heads of housflies! They are coming! The end is near! The end is near!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmBigmouth: “Thank God for fossil fuels!”
We’re going to run out of the stuff in a few decades, smart guy. How will you get to work? Will you or your children even have work? How will food get to your grocery store? How will your drugs get to the drug store? How will people heat their houses? While you happily run around the country at 8 mpg, the world as you know it is about to undergo radical change and you’re still sitting there in your stubborn ignorance acting like there is no problem at all.
You’re a big part of the problem, dumbass, and you don’t even have a clue.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pm“Even if there were something to this fiction of man-made global warming, it would only be counteracting the “global cooling†reported by science in the 1970’s.
Bigfoot never tires of repeating the same discredited talking points. This one is deader than a doornail.
Comment by VerbalKint — September 14, 2007 @ 2:08 pm”
Once again, a liberal, who when faced with facts, merely refutes the facts. Another symptom of mental disorder. There’s help for conditions like this…you no longer have to suffer!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmBigmouth, you can take all of Al Gore’s proceeds from his movies and books, all the funding any scientists might get for studies and the grand total profit from all sales of alternative energy technology worldwide, and it wouldn’t add up to a small fraction of a single year’s profits at Exxon.
You simply have no idea what you’re talking about.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“We’re going to run out of the stuff in a few decades, smart guy. How will you get to work? Will you or your children even have work? How will food get to your grocery store? How will your drugs get to the drug store? How will people heat their houses? While you happily run around the country at 8 mpg, the world as you know it is about to undergo radical change and you’re still sitting there in your stubborn ignorance acting like there is no problem at all.
You’re a big part of the problem, dumbass, and you don’t even have a clue.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 2:20 pm”
Gee, Ripper…you sure spent a lot of time typing out a message that is remarkably similar to another message sent out eons ago:
“The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”
Comment by Chicken Little – Classic Fairy Tale, Young Folks Treasury – 1919″
September 14th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“Bigmouth, you can take all of Al Gore’s proceeds from his movies and books, all the funding any scientists might get for studies and the grand total profit from all sales of alternative energy technology worldwide, and it wouldn’t add up to a small fraction of a single year’s profits at Exxon.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 2:23 pm”
Al Gore doesn’t have to support tens of thousands of employees nor does he need a worldwide infrastructure…he only needs to keep himself in mansions, jet fuel, and SUV’s.
A regular 20,000 square foot “cottage industry”.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThis fallacy of human caused global warming is the “atomic radiation†of the new century. Prepare for the attack of the giant spiders, ants, and for humans with the heads of housflies! They are coming! The end is near! The end is near!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
This moronic argument fails to discredit the science behind the consensus of man-made global warming.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmRight, Bigfoot, it’s childish to believe that our society will run out of a finite, non-renewable resource. And, I suppose in your mind, the adult way to think would be to assume that this finite resource will magically be there for us forever. And, if you find yourself speeding towards a cliff that you can see in the distance, your suggestion would be to speed up, right?
September 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pmBigfoot: “Al Gore doesn’t have to support tens of thousands of employees nor does he need a worldwide infrastructure…”
I see critical thinking is not your strong suit. Exxon’s profits are called profits because that’s what they have left over AFTER they take care of their employees and infrastructure. And, a lot of that infrastructure is paid for by taxpayers, so your point is completely irrelevant.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pmBigfoot: “This fallacy of human caused global warming is the “atomic radiation†of the new century. Prepare for the attack of the giant spiders, ants, and for humans with the heads of housflies! They are coming! The end is near! The end is near!”
This is as absurd as a so-called argument can get. Something tells me Bigfoot works for or with the fossile fuel industry and Upton Sinclair’s words are relevant: “It’s hard to get a man to agree with something when his paycheck depends on disagreeing.”
September 14th, 2007 at 2:40 pmGlad I don’t live near BigMouth – this type of neanderthal would be the first to kill his neighbors for their food and fuel when the crap hits the fan.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI do picture him and his wife, but I’m just not into livestock.
Al Gore doesn’t have to support tens of thousands of employees nor does he need a worldwide infrastructure…he only needs to keep himself in mansions, jet fuel, and SUV’s.
A regular 20,000 square foot “cottage industryâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
He’s talking about Exxon’s profits. That’s NET INCOME, not GROSS INCOME. Profits are what a company reports, AFTER paying all their exspences.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHehe, you beat me to it jack
September 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI see critical thinking is not your strong suit.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
You’re just noticing this now? I knew it the first time I saw a Bigfoot post.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pmHere’s a great article in Newsweek about global warming deniers and who funds them:
September 14th, 2007 at 2:50 pmGlobal-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine
Oh Bigmouth certainly has you guys sucked in on this.
You can always tell a Troll, but you can’t tell them much.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:56 pmLibertarians seem to think that Global Warming Science is a “New World Order” plot to take away our land and tax us. This New World Order takes the shape of everything evil on this planet…It is a totally paranoid vision. If anything, this NWO wants Globalization through commercial means. Truthfully, Libertarians are Conservatives who want to get laid and smoke reefer.
And look who started it all:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/05/wolcott200705
September 14th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSo did I just hear that the Northwest passage is becoming ice free? My car radio sort of blows but there was something along these lines. How many signs must there be before the denial recedes as the tides rise?
September 14th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#68
Whether you want to call it NWO or globalism or corporate greed, there is a class of people who want to control populations locally through global organizations like the UN and WTO. Sure, you could spin complicated conspiracy theories, or you could just read some of the minutes of their meetings or some of their memos or policy reports. The way a lot of these things read, it sounds like they want (gasp) more control (power). Then they dress it up in environmentalism and bang, it’s politically correct and publicly acceptable.
Google Agenda 21 or UN Carbon Tax.
http://habitat.igc.org/agenda21/index.htm
Look at the section “Land”
http://habitat.igc.org/agenda21/a21-10.htm
This is what it’s all about. Central planning and central land management from a single global control center.
http://www.globalwarming.org/node/680
So the carbon tax is supposed to pay for development in poor countries. (But won’t that lead to more carbon in the atmosphere?) Ah, but first it funnels through other hands. It might be something like the IMF now. Everyone sure likes helping poor people. Funny how hundreds of billions are spent, yet the people are still poor. Hmm, how’d the facilitators of the program get so rich?
It’s a scam.
Whether global warming is real or not (sure, it’s real) doesn’t matter. The fear/concern is very real and there is a whole class of hucksters waiting to take advantage of the situation for their own agenda. Just do what you can as an individual. Don’t run to big government and big corporations (same thing) to help you. They will only help themselves.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe 100 year old con http://www.InteliOrg.com/archive/FireandIce.pdf on climate change.
In order to be an intelligent reader you must have a basic knowledge. Please do your own homework, a starting point http://www.InteliOrg.com/
September 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#70 Whether global warming is real or not (sure, it’s real) doesn’t matter. The fear/concern is very real and there is a whole class of hucksters waiting to take advantage of the situation for their own agenda. Just do what you can as an individual. Don’t run to big government and big corporations (same thing) to help you. They will only help themselves.
Comment by Alejandro — September 14, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
I do think Global Warming is real, and it is caused mostly by humans, at least this time in our history. Now you say not to depend on corporations or the government. Well, we as individuals cannot accomplish something on such a large scale as Climate Change Reversal. We need either the government or corporations to do this. The question is this….Which is more representative of the will of the people? Not this current administration and not Exxon Mobil/Lockheed. A government that follows Constitutional Law is the answer. Corporatism was and always will be Fascism, and you can’t put perfume on that pig.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:50 pm“He’s talking about Exxon’s profits. That’s NET INCOME, not GROSS INCOME. Profits are what a company reports, AFTER paying all their exspences.
Comment by DigDug — September 14, 2007 @ 2:43 pm”
And who gets to keep the profits, Einstein?
Exxon pays it’s shareholders.
Al Gore pays himself.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:54 pm“This moronic argument fails to discredit the science behind the consensus of man-made global warming.
Comment by toasterhead — September 14, 2007 @ 2:34 pm”
Your first, (but not only) mistake is assuming there is a consensus on global warming.
Most liberals believe there is a consensus on everything, as long as the consensus agrees totally with the liberal point of view.
Unfortunately, the whole idea of a consensus blows up in liberal faces when the dissenters are taken into account. There are plenty of scientists who are skeptical of man-made global warming. Once again, liberals will merely ignore the skeptics, and hope they will go away. Kind of like ostriches who stick their head in the sand…if they can’t see it, it’s not a part of their world.
In the meantime, I’ve got to go fill up my motorhome.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“Right, Bigfoot, it’s childish to believe that our society will run out of a finite, non-renewable resource. And, I suppose in your mind, the adult way to think would be to assume that this finite resource will magically be there for us forever. And, if you find yourself speeding towards a cliff that you can see in the distance, your suggestion would be to speed up, right?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 2:35 pm”
Apparently you aren’t able to think long term. If you are right, and fossil fuels will soon run out, then I guess the whole problem of man made global warming through the burning of fossil fuels is simply going solve itself, correct?
Look, you liberal fear mongers are constantly after ethereal boogeymen who never seem to materialize, while you ignore the real boogeymen who actually do maim and kill people. That’s your problem, not mine. And you are welcome to lose sleep over it. I choose not to.
Thinking people don’t buy the constant theories of imminent disaster. They didn’t believe it 40 years ago when “The Population Bomb” predicted disaster and mass starvation due to overpopulation by the late 1970’s. They didn’t believe in the global cooling of the 1970’s. And they don’t believe the idea that we are going to be burning up through global warming any time soon.
If you folks feel the need to constantly be under the gun, feel free to fill that need. Believe what you will. The rest of us aren’t obligated to follow you into your own dark ages.
Man made global warming is an unproven, and probably unprovable, theory. Simple as that.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBigfoot, the corporate apologist: “Exxon pays it’s shareholders.
Al Gore pays himself.”
Would you care to compare Al Gore’s entire take from speaking engagements, his movie and his books to last year’s compensation package Exxon paid to its CEO? The CEO’s pay dwarfs Gore’s total compensation and Gore is giving all proceeds from his movie to charity.
Bigfoot, the optimist: “Apparently you aren’t able to think long term. If you are right, and fossil fuels will soon run out, then I guess the whole problem of man made global warming through the burning of fossil fuels is simply going solve itself, correct?”
If you understood as much about this subject as you seem to think you do, you’d understand that once climate trends are in place, they are very hard to turn around. The effects of global warming will be with us long after oil has ceased to be an abundant commodity. But, what I was talking about was economic disaster – a huge depression and a world-wide economic collapse – because right now we have no alternative to fossile fuel for moving things around the globe and around our country. You want to gloss over that – fine. Be an idiot.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBigfoot, the corporate apologist: “Man made global warming is an unproven, and probably unprovable, theory. Simple as that.”
Simple minds look for simple answers. The truth is sometimes hard to confront for cowardly people and it’s almost always more complex than simple minds can handle.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmBy the way, unless they come up with some pretty potent fuel cell technology or a small fusion engine of some sort for powering big ships and trucks, 20 years from now this thing we call “globalization” is flat over.
We WILL need to do our own manufacturing again. We should start now.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI hate the cold the weather. Warmer weather would be nice. Fewer people die from extreme heat as opposed to extreme cold. Besides, the Farmers I am sure would prefer an extended growing season. Which means more food. Lower prices. Excellent.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:14 pmI like it warm: “Besides, the Farmers I am sure would prefer an extended growing season. Which means more food. Lower prices. Excellent.”
God that’s just so stupid that it hurts. I don’t think farmers in the midwest are going to be happy that their fruited plains and grassy fields will turn into desert. There isn’t a long growing season in the desert, numbnuts.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pmIf I were him I wouldn’t be traveling on any small private planes for a while.
September 15th, 2007 at 2:01 am“If you understood as much about this subject as you seem to think you do, you’d understand that once climate trends are in place, they are very hard to turn around. The effects of global warming will be with us long after oil has ceased to be an abundant commodity. But, what I was talking about was economic disaster – a huge depression and a world-wide economic collapse – because right now we have no alternative to fossile fuel for moving things around the globe and around our country. You want to gloss over that – fine. Be an idiot.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 14, 2007 @ 6:44 pm”
Remember Chicken Little?
Jack Ripper and liberal ideology: All doom and gloom, all the time.
Thankfully, history proves you wrong.
September 15th, 2007 at 2:16 amBeing quite harsh, not harsh to save this planet…Fuel ration cards should be issued out to impliment the mission for survival for this planet and people. Each card will allow that individual/family a specific amount of fuel within a period of time. This will help reduce the amount of carbon dioxide damaging the ozone layer and the quality of air. Also it will result to smaller vechicle usage in time… Smart definately works.
September 15th, 2007 at 3:34 amGday! Especially to Bigfoot and to Dick Cheney. I am following this debate from Sydney, the effects of global warming and pollution into the atmosphere are already causing catastrophic change in the climate here in Australia. And the ozone hole is causing rapid growth in skin cancer. Come here and you will feel it. Maybe you don’t care when it is not hitting the US, but I care. It is a well documented fact that USA is the biggest contributor of greenhouse gases, and has been so for a very long time. Please remember that USA has been capable of this devastating effect although it only represents 5 % of the global population. China has just stated to pollute big time, but they are already talking about their responsibility with regards to Kyoto. Other countries have taken action, every nation has ratified the Kyoto protocol except for USA and Australia. What is so good with Kyoto? It provides economic incentive to be innovative, to find better solutions for the future. Mankind is innovative, we must find a way to wake up the people who prefers to be asleep. I have a 6 year old daughter. That’s why.
September 15th, 2007 at 4:42 amNow he tells us. Shameless.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:52 pmBigfoot is either a troll or a total twit. Even if increased solar actvity is to blame for global warming, humans are adding to the strain by burning fossil fuels. I watched Singer and Avery on TV trying to defend their stupid book and the line they had was ‘humans aren’t powerful enough to affect the planet’.
Maybe total numbskulls can eagerly swallow such puerile crap, it makes for comforting bedtime reading. Bigfoot says liberals are reading Chicken Little – what’s he reading? Rip Van Winkle….
Yup, let’s all go to sleep then…
September 16th, 2007 at 10:06 am