Giuliani: ‘Listen’ To Me On Iraq, Even Though I Quit The Iraq Study Group To Get Rich
Giuliani: ‘Listen’ To Me On Iraq, Even Though I Quit The Iraq Study Group To Get Rich
In the New York Times this morning, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) ran an ad supporting Gen. David Petraeus’ recent sugarcoated testimony before Congress. In the ad, Giuliani asks “who should America listen to” on Iraq — critics of the war, or Petraeus and Giuliani:
On MSNBC this morning, Giuliani’s senior communications adviser, Jim Dyke, defended the ad, saying “we oughta have a serious discussion in this country about” Iraq:
I’m an American. And because I believe that the terrorists, the Islamic terrorists, have declared war on us. And I believe that we oughta have a serious discussion in this country about the approach to defending ourselves.
When host Contessa Brewer challenged Dyke’s implied contention that “people who question” the current war strategy are “un-American,” the Giuliani aide dismissed Brewer’s query as “a silly question.” Watch it:
Indeed, America needs a “serious discussion in this country” on Iraq. One person who has proved himself to be someone America should not “listen to” is Rudy Giuliani. The former New York City mayor, who has never visited Iraq, has complained that “America is too consumed with Iraq.”
In 2006, Giuliani had an opportunity to study the issue as a member of the Iraq Study Group, but he quit the post because it conflicted with his lucrative speaking tours. Newsday reported:
Giuliani quit the group during his busiest stretch in 2006, when he gave 20 speeches in a single month that brought in $1.7 million.
In 2004, after tons of explosives in Iraq went missing, Giuliani defended President Bush by saying “the actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.”
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Rudy: “Only 363 days till 9/11, AGAIN! Woo-hoo!!!”
September 14th, 2007 at 4:52 pmRudy Julianna needs another line. “Hey, someone blew up my town” just isn’t cutting it any more.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pm.
It is very simple. President Bush has told the troops in Iraq that they will not come home until they accomplish his mission. All he wants them to do is make all the Iraqi politicians fall in love, and join in a central government of perpetual peace and everlasting accord.
That is not too much to ask of a bunch of 19 years old American High School Grads, is it! Some one has to handle the heavy lifting on the global diplomatic side, and since the USA apparently no longer has a Secretary of State,or even a Secretary of Defense, why not have the military kids do it.
Then we can bring them all back home, and have them solve all our major domestic problems.
OK, listen up all you young military guys and gals. You heard your commander in chief. Get going. Find out if al-Maliki and al-Sadr have hugged a Sunni today. Do not expect Condi Rice and Ryan Croker to pitch in. What do you think they are?, some kind of diplomats!.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmat least petraeus had the balls to say outright that he didn’t know if the usa presence in iraq is making americans safer - brewer let this dyke guy off too easy
September 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pmUh oh! ThinkProgress is going into its “Protect Our Endorsed Candidate Hillary Clinton By All Means” mode again.
Good for Rudy for defending a man who has devoted 35 years of his life to the service of his nation against MoveOn.org’s venomous attack.
Shame on the Democrats for refusing to condemn the slander for fear of losing some campaign dollars.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmGuilania is exploding, who will the next desperate republican candidate be?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmGhouli…the business of America is business. Americans…the direction of America is freedom and Bush impeachment.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmSo you agree with moveon.org and think it is ok to use name calling against our military? A serious dicussion is important for sure, but simply trying to smear our military and it’s generals is truly wrong. Besides, the last chart I saw on Iraq showed that 39% of all deaths in August were due to AQ. That kinda shows that AQ are in Iraq. Since a large portion of the death and destruction are due to AQ in Iraq, why do you want to turn tail and leave? Have the Dems decided to allow AQ to win? Is that the best thing for America? REALLY????
September 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI support MoveOn
here is their new TV ad:
http://pol.moveon.org/betrayaloftrust/
September 14th, 2007 at 5:10 pmI have never read such an empty group of words.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pmRudy also has a terrific video up on his Web site taking Hillary to task for her despicable political cowardice this week.
http://www.joinrudy2008.com/
September 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pmGuiliani and co. are merely advocating suppression of free speech. He and his Repub allies simply don’t care about that pesky Constitution.
Senator John Cornyn is introducing legislation to censure MoveOn. His statement is overtly hostile to free expression. He twice references freedom of speech in his proposal, but in each instance he qualifies and constrains it:
Petraeus? Betray Us? Falacious!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by Roger_Roger — September 14, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
AQ was not in Iraq before we invaded
September 14th, 2007 at 5:18 pmAQ is in Iraq now.
Thanks to this administration, AQ has been able to grow and Iraq is now a country open to AQ recruitment.
If Republicans really wanted to destroy AQ, they would have fought AQ.
However, this administration chose to ignore AQ and OBN and yet you still defend them.
Wow - all the trolls got their interrupting points on this one really quickly, didn’t they?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI won’t defend Hillary Clinton or Moveon. I will state that Guiliani is a one trick pony that is riding on the false impression that he was the steely leader during our darkest hours in NY.
When the firefighters and police came out against him was telling enough. Last debate all he could say was “when I was mayor of New York” over and over again.
Remember, he wasn’t even liked by NY prior to 9 eleven.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:19 pmCall Pelosi, call Dean, call all the other mofos in the DLC and tell them they can’t win the next election without withdrawal. The mongrels have surmounted the wall and are surrounding the castle. The jig is up.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI support MoveOn
Comment by dim wit — September 14, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
It is clear you have no idea the consequences to a democracy when the press, NYT, conspires with a political party or political activists to form public opinion. Ya might want to refer to history for the lesson here.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pmCall Pelosi, call all the mofos in the DLC and tell them they can’t win the next election without withdrawal.
The mongrels have surmounted the wall and are surrounding the castle. The jig is up.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmwithdrawing, and regrouping when your lines are overextended is a military tactic. You may not like it roger, but it is true.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pmregrouping
Forget that bull shit. Just freakin withdraw. Have some decency and just get the f’ck out of Iraq. Admit the truth for god sakes
September 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI think Rudy’s appearance on Larry King last night was simply bizarre. He has this new habit of sneering while he talks and then bugging his eyes out while he makes a point. It’s very creepy. Check it out.
So now, along with his creepy lying and exagerrating, he even looks creepy.
Let’s see: he claimed he spent more time at the 9-11 site than the workers, but his own records say he spent more time at Yankees games than at ground zero. So he’s at best a “serial exagerator” and possibly just a damn liar.
And, he claimed he left the city with a surplus after inheriting a debt, but it turns out he left Bloomberg a larger debt than he inherited. So, again, he’s either a “serial exagerator” or a damn liar….
And, now he has this creepy habit of bugging out his eyes while trying to make a point. I’m glad he’s the front-runner.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:25 pmCall Pelosi, call all the mofos in the DLC and tell them they can’t win the next election without withdrawal.
The mongrels have surmounted the wall and are surrounding the castle. The jig is up.
Comment by Dermot — September 14, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
What you actually believe Pelosi should lose to the GOP that STARTED AND HOLD THE DEMS HOSTAGE in this issue? It’s TRAITEROUS GREEN PARTY F*CKERS LIKE YOU, and your GOP IMPERSONATOR/AGITATORS that are the reason Bush is in office in the FIRST PLACE! You f*ckers kept WHINING that there was no difference in the party, and if you STILL BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, then you are A BRAIN DAMAGED RETARD!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by Buck Cherry — September 14, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
You make no sense. The MoveOn ad and the Giulani ad appeared in the same paper. Where is the conspiracy?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBuck Cherry: You mean like Karl Rove and The Washington Times. Or the AIE and Dick Cheney?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pmregrouping
Forget that bull shit. Just freakin withdraw. Have some decency and just get the f’ck out of Iraq. Admit the truth for god sakes
Comment by Dermot — September 14, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
That’s a GREAT PLAN, unfortunately it requires a SUPER MAJORITY in the Senate to accomplish this - and your GOP FRIENDS (you are a Green Party’ist right?) won’t LET THAT HAPPEN!!!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pm“AEI” and Dick Cheney (Damn that Dislexia/aixelsiD).
September 14th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIt is clear you have no idea the consequences to a democracy when the press, NYT, conspires with a political party or political activists to form public opinion. Ya might want to refer to history for the lesson here.
Comment by Buck Cherry — September 14, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Then you should tell them to not put Guiliani’s CONSPIRING in their paper!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:27 pm#15 HiB,
Rudy did more than just lead the city in the aftermath of 9/11. He had already cemented himself as one of the greatest mayors in New York City waaaaay before the 9/11 attacks.
He single-handedly saved NYC. It was going downhill ever since the Lindsay years all way through the disastrous and incompetent Dinkins administration. NYC is a much cleaner, safer, economically stronger city now and during the Giuiliani years than it was during the dark time of Lindsay-Beame-Koch-Dinkins.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:27 pmBuck Cherry: “It is clear you have no idea the consequences to a democracy when the press, NYT, conspires with a political party or political activists to form public opinion. Ya might want to refer to history for the lesson here.”
Right Buck. After all, that’s exactly what happened in the selling of war in Iraq and you see where that got us.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThat’s a GREAT PLAN, unfortunately it requires a SUPER MAJORITY in the Senate to accomplish this - and your GOP FRIENDS (you are a Green Party’ist right?) won’t LET THAT HAPPEN!!!
That’s crap too. The Democrats have the majority. An dthey could stop funding this war tomorrow if they wanted to. BUT THEY DON’T WANT TO. AND THEY DON”T HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THAT.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnybody who supports the DLC is a quisling supporting BUsh Bin Laden.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:29 pmBush Bin Laden = DLC = Imperialism in Middle East
September 14th, 2007 at 5:30 pmroger roger, you show your ignorance when you talk in simplistic absolutes. You turn your back on the multiple failures this administration caused that has exacerbated the situation.
If the military wasn’t just let go we wouldn’t have had a ready made insurgency. The same Gen. all are now trying to rally around on the right is the one who can’t account for close to 200,000 weapons that we payed for and now supplied to our enemies. We are supplying the Sunni extremists because they have been more effective and less costly in dealing with AQI most recently but this is only a marriage of convienence.
I will not ignore or forget about the disgraceful missmanagement this administration has bungled thru. And has been the direct cause for countless deaths and billions of dollars thrown away.
We are paying for hired guns who don’t follow the same rules as our soldiers and marines do. We pay them close to 3 times the money we do to the avg. grunt. There are over 100,000 of them. That is inexusable when this same administration questions our patriotism but would rather buy a soldier than ask for a united sacrifice. That makes their alarmist banter hollow.
This was never a conflict of necessity. A true patriot stands up against the bastardization of this country and for what it truly stands for.
You follow Bush, you follow a fool. And which is worse.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:32 pmYou make no sense. The MoveOn ad and the Giulani ad appeared in the same paper. Where is the conspiracy?
Comment by dim wit — September 14, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
The problem is MoveOn paid LESS THAN 1/2 THE NORMAL PRICE FOR THEIR ADD……………….ON TOP OF THAT THE nyt GAVE THEM PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT ON TIMING………………. INFORM YOURSELF!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pm#15 HiB,
Rudy did more than just lead the city in the aftermath of 9/11. He had already cemented himself as one of the greatest mayors in New York City waaaaay before the 9/11 attacks. Comment by Exley — September 14, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
And perhaps it’s biggest thug!
He single-handedly saved NYC. Comment by Exley — September 14, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Wow, NYC was destined for apocalypse without him? BAHAHA, you’re RETARDED - EXLAX!
It was going downhill ever since the Lindsay years all way through the disastrous and incompetent Dinkins administration. NYC is a much cleaner, safer, economically stronger city now and during the Giuiliani years than it was during the dark time of Lindsay-Beame-Koch-Dinkins.
Comment by Exley — September 14, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
And it’s a much NICER place since he’s gone, and his NeoNazi Police tactics have largely been reversed! The IMPROVEMENT in NYC coincided with the improvements in MOST MAJOR American cities, and had more to do with Clinton Economic policies, than Dumbass Judy’s Dress Wearing Goebbels Antics! But don’t let REALITY CONFUSE YOU - EXLAX!!!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pmDermot: WE KNOW YOU ARE FRUSTRATED. But defunding the troops would give the rudy, mitt, fred and the other dwarves an issue. I’m afraid that America is going to bleed young people’s lives, bodies and our country’s treasure until January, 2009. bush is one stubborn MF.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAQ IS IN IRAQ!
Are you really saying we should walk away from AQ? You can argue all you want about AQ coming to Iraq because we removed Saddam. Either way, AQ is there now. Are you honestly saying we shouldn’t fight AQ even though they killed thousands of Americans on 9/11? Now the Dems feel we shouldn’t fdefend ourselves against AQ?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmGeneral Petraeus opened himself up to criticism the moment he signed on to be Bush’s head cheerleader on this failed policy. he is now acting like a politician which is blatant disregard for the uniform. As a 4-star General, he should have known better than to involve himself in the official policy of the White House, which prevented him from giving a fair and honest assessment of the situation in Iraq. Admiral Fallon was right, he is an “ass-kissing, little chicken-sh*t.”
September 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThat’s crap too. The Democrats have the majority. An dthey could stop funding this war tomorrow if they wanted to. BUT THEY DON’T WANT TO. AND THEY DONâ€T HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THAT.
Comment by Dermot — September 14, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
No what’s CRAP are you GREEN PARTY MORON PAWS of the GOP, and you GOP HACKS that PRETEND TO BE GREEN PARTY MORONS!!!
The Dems have a BARE MAJORITY in the Senate, and it works on the basis of both a Super Majority and a Super Majority required to OVERCOME THE PRESIDENT! NO matter HOW MUCH GUTS they have, there’s NO WAY THEY CAN PASS THE LEGISLATION YOU *FALSELY CLAIM* they have the POWER TO DO - WITHOUT A FEW GOP WILLING TO VOTE WITH THEM!!!
You don’t know JACK SH!T ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE DO YOU F*CKER?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pmIF YOU TYPE ALL CAPITALS, PEOPLE WILL KNOW YOU ARE REALLY PASSIONATE - or unstable.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMichigan lawyer ,the longtime head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, who sexually attacked a 21-year-old woman at a Young Republicans convention to five years in prison. That’s the maximum term for the offense.
Who should America listen too? Whoever they want to.
That said, Rudy and Flory and Craig and Delay and Cunningham and Stevens and Hastert and Foley, McCain, Thompson and Guiliani, not hardly at all.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAQ IS IN IRAQ!
Are you really saying we should walk away from AQ? You can argue all you want about AQ coming to Iraq because we removed Saddam. Either way, AQ is there now. Are you honestly saying we shouldn’t fight AQ even though they killed thousands of Americans on 9/11? Now the Dems feel we shouldn’t fdefend ourselves against AQ?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 14, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
You’ve ALREADY STRIPPED IRAQ of its heritage (museums), its ECONOMY, its JOBS, its ASSETS, and you’re trying to strip it of its OIL! The IRAQIS have had as much of GOP KINDNESS as they can ake!
Your excuse is that you’re in Iraq fighting AQ, when MOST AQ are in Pakistan? BAHAHA, you’re a DUMB LITTLE B!TCH!!!!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:38 pmIF YOU TYPE ALL CAPITALS, PEOPLE WILL KNOW YOU ARE REALLY PASSIONATE - or unstable.
Comment by Thejokesonus — September 14, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Thanks for IDENTIFYING YOURSELF - Pee Stain!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:38 pmI think that Rudy is, without even realizing it, supporting the left’s assertion that the current “war on terror” is a complete crock and if anything, our efforts are making things worse.
While other Repubs are spewing a lot of hot air about how we are “winning” the war on terror, Rudy has inflated the Islamic extremist boogeymen to be such a grave threat to us that our only hope of survival is to vote for him for president. Naturally, he hasn’t given us any specifics on HOW he’s going to keep us safe from this threat that apparently could mean our very extinction, except to endorse our present course in Iraq.
How this man is managing to lead the current crop of Republican presidential candidates is beyond me. I really thought Repubs would be too smart to fall for somebody whose only campaign point is “be afraid! be very afraid!”
September 14th, 2007 at 5:39 pmRoger(X2) AQ is under your bed: be afraid.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:39 pmHelp the paranoids are after me.
AQ is 2 to 5 % of the “isurgency”. AQ in Iraq is the “mother” of all straw man arguments.
General Petraeus opened himself up to criticism the moment he signed on to be Bush’s head cheerleader on this failed policy. he is now acting like a politician which is blatant disregard for the uniform. As a 4-star General, he should have known better than to involve himself in the official policy of the White House, which prevented him from giving a fair and honest assessment of the situation in Iraq. Admiral Fallon was right, he is an “ass-kissing, little chicken-sh*t.â€
September 14th, 2007 at 5:40 pmmichael: GFY
September 14th, 2007 at 5:42 pmroger roger, is it truly worth our soldiers lives to hunt down what we have already proven the Sunni’s can do just as well?
Why are you so afraid of AQ (and it’s AQI in this instance)? Do you really think this country is so fragile that any attack will make us crumble?
You have no real faith in the military or this country if you do. The next sorry a$$ group that attacks this country will have his homeland and neighboring areas laid to waste. Our fury will not be matched if/when that time comes. To continually go on this bs idea of “fight them there so we won’t fight them here” is bunk. There have been terrorists throughout history and that will continue.
I will not cower to some unseen boogeyman. I will not let them win thru some unknown fear. I am an American and I stand strong because of the freedoms that we all have made available thru an open society and thru a democratic govt. Our choice of govt. demands that we all take an active roll and not leave it up to others with hidden information and agendas to decide for us.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThe fact that the cross-dressing, 9/11 profiteering Ruby Guiliani…
…is leading among Repulsivescum presidential candidates…
…speaks VOLUMES about how UNFIT…
…. conned’selserving Repulsivescum are…
…to vote…
…hold office…
…or in general…BREATHE…
September 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmNow the Dems feel we shouldn’t fdefend ourselves against AQ?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 14, 2007
No, thats your view.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmComment by Buck Cherry — September 14, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Its called a discount. Many companies offer them.
For example, please see this link.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmhttp://www.oldnavy.com/ ?isViewAll=false&ssiteID=gap
As you will notice Old Navy is currently offering 25% off of maternity clothes.
Or is it a conspiracy against non-pregnant women???
I report - you decide.
AQ IS IN IRAQ!
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 14, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Malcolm Nance …a twenty-year intelligence veteran and Arabic speaker who has worked with military and intelligence units tracking al-Qaeda inside Iraq believes AQI includes about 850 full-time fighters, comprising 2 percent to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency. “Al-Qaeda in Iraq,” according to Nance, “is a microscopic terrorist organization.”
Al Qaeda in Iraq is invisible to western troops…but the Iraqi’s know who they are and where they are.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:45 pm52: You mean bush is lying to us, again? OMG!
September 14th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIt was a stupid thing to try, Rogerx2, a regime change, while going after Osama, a Saudi exile, in Iraq, a country they knew would evolve into violence.
Osama is not in Iraq. The US can stay there for twenty years and never catch Osama or his Wahhabi wackos.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:52 pmYou see, Rudy thinks Petraeus may make a good running mate, and thats what this is really about.
Rudy should not be politicising this quagmire, the general or the troops.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:57 pmRudy is so transparent. This ad is nothing more than a political campaign ad. He saw this as a perfect opportunity to publish some political propaganda for himself disguised as a patriotic, pro-troops response to defend Petraeus. If he wanted to, he could have very easily defended Petraeus without mentioning Hillary or pimping his alleged statesmanship but he deliberately chose to make it more than that.
Rudy must be delusional to push this as an ad as being about Petraeus and MoveOn - it’s about bashing Hillary and distracting voters from his less than stellar record/personal life.
It’s hysterical that, after listening to some right-wingers (like O’Reilly on the radio) today, the common theme I heard was that the Democratic candidates were being dishonest by avoiding talk about the ad itself and attempting to turn the discussion to what Bush is doing with Iraq.
But, these same talking heads very conveniently overlooked the fact that Rudy is not limiting HIS response to the ad only. They seem to have no problem with Rudy doing exactly the same thing that they are bashing the Dems for - his lack of focus on only what MoveOn’s ad said and his turning the ad into an attack on Hillary. Double standards are plentiful in right-wing world.
Note that even the headline of Rudy’s ad is about Hillary - not MoveOn or Petraeus. Gotta love that JoinRudy2008.com in bold print at the bottom. Pffft.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSo, Giuliani thinks it is ok to invade Iraq, or any other Arab or Moslem country by simply stating that “we were attacked on 9/11″…but by who? was it Iraq?…The simple minded communication director of Giuliani said that…’We were attacked on 9/11 and that’s why we are in Iraq”. This is a twisted logic,because we have over 59 Arab and Moslem nations who are members of the United Nations Assembely,who has nothing to do with 9/11, can be made enemies according to this Giuliani’s logic.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHow are “conservatives” going to square with the notion that abortion and gay bashing will need to be set aside in order to wallow in the water with Rudy?
September 14th, 2007 at 6:14 pmDo my krazee eyes deceive me or is it just a freakish, karmic coincidence that the spokesperson for cross-dresser Rudy is named Dyke? Lol. The Repugs are so going down in 2008 — oh wait . . .
September 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pmRudy’s communication director has no answer when it comes to reality on the ground,on whether this war in Iraq is making us safe,and what Petraeus bringing to the table.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:27 pmHe is only interested in using Petraeus as an ad. for his boss Rudy to gain some extra points. Giuliani’s warmongering is the last thing America needs now. Americans needs a leader who is not afraid to open dialogue,or any type of communication with any leader around the world..if it means strenthening America’s place in this world and strengthen friendship and peace among nations.
Let’s not forget that Rudy refused to link the com systems of the police and firefighters as they wanted and that the International Order of Firefighters believes this political act resulted in the deaths of hundreds of firefighters and police on 9-11. Let’s also not forget that the only reason Rudy was out walking around that morning is because he had stupidly put his command center in the WTC because of a campaign contribution.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:32 pmChristian conservatives have been calling people like Rudy “baby killers” for decades now. Next year we’ll see if christian conservatives really believe the things they say or if they are simply bullshite. If they turn around and vote for a guy like Rudy, they are pure b.s.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:35 pmNow when the United States called for men to join the service and fight during a real war Rudy backed away. When the time came for Rudy to help with Iraq situation he couldn’t because he was raising money. He has never been to Iraq and really knows nothing and could care less but just vote for him because he was the Mayor of New York during 9/11. Most of the firefighters/police officers are sick from working during 9/11 but Rudy was there more then all of them and he’s not sick it’s magic.
Pass this on to the Rudy supporters as to how the Iraq people feel, don’t bother the US Media isn’t allowed to speak or print the truth it’s again the White House law.
About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military “surge” of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.
Now that’s how the Iraq people who live in Iraq feel unlike the President/Petraeus/Senate/Congress short visits. Maybe one day the Iraq people will have their country back from the US invaders. Bush/Cheney still after the oil rights and say they will need until Bush leaves office to get it. Look for thousands of more body bags of dead soldiers coming home. But Americans don’t think must about that as long as Bush says he has a plan, he just can’t remember it yet.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmFunny, our military has no problem callinf Petraus (not the military) names:
“(Petraeus) an ass-kissing little chickenshit… I hate people like that” - Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM) and Petraeus’s superior.
Why do you hate our military Roger squared?
September 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pmSpokesman Jim Dyke is another in a long line of Republican Chickenhawks, who believe it’s someones else’s duty to serve in a ginned up war! He’s way too busy wiping Rudy’s butt, to join up!
September 14th, 2007 at 7:34 pmIf Rudy’s a hero for walking around at the Trade Center for a couple of day’s,what does that make the Serviceman/women serving and dying in Iraq/Afgahn?
#63 Fred,
You are 100% right…These war pushers never been there…and have no intenetion to be in any war
September 14th, 2007 at 7:57 pmThey only sell the war. But war means hell for people who fight in it, war can mean death,losing a friend,losing an arm,leg,eye…and on top of that , the psychological effects that stay with these people the rest of their lives. It is totally accurate to remind people of horrors of wars,because these politicians who never been there,war to them is a script,a Hollywood story, and a political game for immediate and future gains, that they can cash on.
Its called a discount. Many companies offer them.
Comment by dim wit — September 14, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
WRONG AGAIN! Thats 3 times in the last few hrs. dim. Your theory was tested today by more than one Republican group and the Times would not give them the same rate no matter what they did including big buy, time or anything else. NYT=Democrat bias = corruption and conspiracy.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI have to report that with in the last few hrs the times recanted under pressure and gave Rudy the same 60% discount rate….WOW talk about losing money………I bet the share holders are happy……now the Times has to do it for everone…………thats funny.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by Buck Cherry #64
Hey Bush’s Butt-naked Cherry,
…Ruby got his fifteen minutes of fame (on page A9 no less)…
…while the MoveOn ad ran on page A25…
…and regardless of what they charged whom…
…they allowed Ruby’s bullsh*t lies to be printed…
…unlike Fox propaganda network…
…which REFUSED to air Reed’s rebuttal to Bushiva’s Bullsh*t lies…
…so is Fox guilty of being a RIGHT WING Bushite propagandist network?
…take Gannon’s, Cheney’sorBushiva’s member out of your oral cavity…
…and get back to me…
September 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pmIs he really a “DYKE”?He sure acts like one.DYKE + REPUGNICANT= 1 extra stupid crazy. Gool.iani gotta be his daddy.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmShame on the Democrats for refusing to condemn the slander for fear of losing some campaign dollars.
Comment by Exley
There is no slander there. Petraeus has betrayed us and he has betrayed the trust his men have put in him. His political ambitions have blinded him to anything other than what Bush wants.
Not to mention that he has failed at pretty much everything he has done in Iraq. He failed to train the Iraqi police. He failed to account for 100,000 weapons that were under his control. And he has failed his country by cherry picking numbers to try to say that the escalation is anything other than an abject failure.
You Rethugs are terrified of moveon.org because they are telling the truth and people are finally beginning to listen.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pm“So you agree with moveon.org and think it is ok to use name calling against our military? A serious dicussion is important for sure, but simply trying to smear our military and it’s generals is truly wrong.”
How is pointing out that Petraeus has betrayed us name calling against the military. It is name calling against Betrayus. And many people who are currently serving in Iraq think the same thing about Betrayus. For gods sake, his own boss thinks he is an ass kisser.
It’s only lemmings like you who are willing to drink the kool aid any longer. Please, continue to follow Bush off the cliff. You won’t be missed when you go over the edge.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmDoes anyone besides me remember during the 2004 campaign that Kerry said that bush had left the Al Cauca ammo (one of the largest, with vast amounts of of deadly explosives, used for tunneling ) unsecured.
Guliani said on Cable TV that it wasn’t bush’s fault, it was up to the troops on the ground. That Kerry would say anything to be elected.
A couple of days later, after being criticized for blaming the troops, he was asked why he had said that. At first he said that he hadn’t said it. They then played the video of him saying exactly that. So he fumbled and mumbled, and said that he meant that that was what Kerry was saying.
He’s a liar and a con-man. They say that there is very little difference in the profile of the criminal and those that police them. His friend Kirsick (mispelled) that he suggested for the training of police in Iraq, is an example of his judgement. Another example is moving his mistress into the NY mayor’s mansion and announcing his affair to the media before telling his wife. He is a puke and now a repuke.
September 14th, 2007 at 11:33 pmComment by Lynne Kringler #70
…very cogent observations Lynne…
…but you forgot that Ruby (sic) has an incestuous bent…
…and gender-bending obsession…
September 15th, 2007 at 12:01 amThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
September 15th, 2007 at 12:18 am–Thomas Jefferson
In the ad, Giuliani asks “who should America listen to†on Iraq — critics of the war, or Petraeus and Giuliani
Oh, um…. lemme think, here…
Sorry, I have to go with the people who were right all along. The opponents of the war.
September 15th, 2007 at 12:29 amJew-Lee-Ahhnee
September 15th, 2007 at 7:12 amJim Dyke isn’t one of Rudy’s transvestite buddies by any chance, is he?
A little background on the Chickenhawk wimp.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ articles/ A30405-2004Dec27.html
Dyke is apparently the same age as chickhawk warmonger Tucker Carlson.
September 15th, 2007 at 7:53 amIf Hillary and the rest of the Democrats are now responsible for what MoveOn.org says does that mean that Rudy and the rest of the Republicans are responsible for what Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Rielly, Sean Hanity, Michael Savage… say?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:37 amHey Clumberfeet,
You got it wrong, probably as usual but I can’t say that for sure.
The point is that if Hillary can’t condemn movement.org’s attack then she probably agrees with the ad. Even Pellosi condemned the ad, so why can’t Hillary? Perhaps she’s too busy paling around with money men like Hsu!
September 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amWhoops, did I think I spelled movement.org’s name wrong???
No, come to think of it I think my spelling is more apropos!
September 15th, 2007 at 11:00 amHey Con10tious,
You didn’t answer the question. You attacked the questioner. Do you realize people are getting sick of that.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:09 amI didn’t think your question merited an response, it was, in my opinion an extremely irrelevant inquiry.
However, since a teaching moment has come to pass …
Movement.org is a biased, political entity whose stated goal is to control / manipulate the political process and democratic candidates in particular and perhaps even the allegedly Republican Ron Paul. Movement.org is trying to make news, to achieve a progressive agenda.
If the other’s you mention do something personally or act in a capacity to attempt to make news or control the political process AND if they say something politically outrageous then yes the Republican candidates should condemn the actions and or statements.
And if you had bothered to be more accurate in your question I would have gladly answered, but I thought the simpler, easier non-confrontative approach was better and probably more likely to succeed based upon the contents of the post. But since you responded, perhaps my assessment was wrong.
But your response was motivated by a venal intent, so I ask, aren’t you tired of your comments being marginalized by your stupidty?
September 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amHey Con10tious,
Wow, a much more verbose personal attack.
Does that mean that Rudy and the rest of the Republicans are responsible for what Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Rielly, Sean Hanity, Michael Savage… say?
September 15th, 2007 at 12:02 pmHey Con10tious,
I take your silence as a yes. I’ll just have to go with the ‘nut’ of your previous comment.
“If the other’s you mention do something personally or act in a capacity to attempt to make news or control the political process AND if they say something politically outrageous then yes the Republican candidates should condemn the actions and or statements.”
I’ll be waiting but not holding my breath for the Republican condemnation of statements made by Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Rielly, Sean Hanity, Michael Savage… and I failed to headline Ann Colter.
September 15th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWhat in Move on’s ad was wrong?
More US troops have died this year than any year since the invasion.
US Deaths By Month:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2003 0 0 65 74 37 30 48 35 31 44 82 40
2004 47 20 52 135 80 42 54 66 80 64 137 72
2005 107 58 35 52 80 78 54 85 49 96 84 68
2006 62 55 31 76 69 61 43 65 72 106 70 112
2007 83 81 81 104 126 101 79 84 39 0 0 0
—————————————————————-
US Casualties By Calendar Year
Year US Deaths US Wounded
2003 486 2408
2004 849 8003
2005 846 5948
2006 822 6398
2007 778 4996
Total 3781 27753
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http://icasualties.org/oif/
There are so many lies that betrayus told in front of congressional hearings that it is hard to list them all.
He was the original ‘builder’ of the Iraqi military. Remember, he reported 350 thousand Iraqis trained? Turned out that there was 1 battalion ready or some such number.
He was either wrong or lying then and he is either wrong or lying now.
He is a general that got there by being a political aide to other pentagon generals. So why should we denounce move on ?
Why is it okay for the fascist administration and repub operatives to denounce real heros, Kerry, Mc Cain, Zinni, Batista, Valerie Wilson, and others, and fire them and yet it is ‘over the top’ to tell the truth about betrayus?
I am sick of having the repubs pull their sanctimonious bullshit and shame or scare the Dems into falling into it.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:34 amHeh, Contessa Brewer. She is about the dumbest thing of TeeVee, and even SHE was able to make chickenhawk salad out of that “Dyke” dumbass.
September 17th, 2007 at 12:40 pmHey! Rupukelickunts! Are you not the least little bit embarassed by the extremely low caliber of liars and thugs you are trotting out nowadays? Incompetent boobs like these can only flourish in an uncontested environment, and as the “Idiot Contessa” proved in the video here, that kind of environment is getting harder and harder to come by. Guiliani must have taken it for granted that nobody would ever seriously question this dolt when he was hired by the campaign. Who can blame him? Unquestioning credulity for right wing fascist nut jobs has been the rule for so long in the MSM, he could not imagine the situation any differently.
I hope Rudy IS the fascist party (republican) nominee. He has sooo many skeletons, and so many enemies eager to trot them out, that it will be the most entertaining, and the most futile campaign the Fascist party has ever had to conduct. Once they are out of power, the American People will be shown the truth “en masse”. The Fascist party (republicans) will never recover from it.
Wow. I didn’t know I was Unamerican - http://www.sharedvoice.org/unamerican/
October 26th, 2007 at 8:57 pm