Arctic ice drops to record low levels.
By on Sep 15th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Arctic ice drops to record low levels.
AP reports:
Arctic ice has shrunk to the lowest level on record, new satellite images show, raising the possibility that the Northwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.
The European Space Agency said nearly 200 satellite photos this month taken together showed an ice-free passage along northern Canada, Alaska and Greenland, and ice retreating to its lowest level since such images were first taken in 1978. [...]
A U.N. panel on climate change has predicted that polar regions could be virtually free of ice by the summer of 2070 because of rising temperatures and sea ice decline, ESA noted.
(HT: Garance)
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Yea. For the first time in recorded history the northwest passage is going to be a shipping lane, but hey, global warmings not real.
September 15th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI have a theory that Gore would not enter the race so long as he thinks the current candidates will address Global Warming to the extent he sees as necessary.
BUT…
If events like this fair to become a more significant issue, we might see some stirring.
(Personally, I think he doesn’t want the hassle of “campaigning” again. If he said, “Just put my name on the ballot if you want, but I’m not going to debate or campaign”, he’d run… he’d probably lose with that strategy… but he’d run.
September 15th, 2007 at 7:43 pmFolks on the Florida coastline, start building your arks.
September 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWhen so many of these events make it impossible to refutiate the concept itself the sun will become the fall guy. It is already starting to happen as the deniers come to terms with the reality of physical events.
September 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pmMust be all those urban heat masses in the Arctic Circle.
Right, Hendler?
September 15th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWhen so many of these events make it impossible to refutiate the concept itself the sun will become the fall guy. -dbadass
Nova ran a special http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ about the dimming of the Sun. [pollution]
September 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhy isn’t ThinkProgress covering the very large march against the war in DC today? People dedicated their time, money and came from all over the country and braved the viscious Gathering of Eagles motorcycle group and the “left” blogosphere says nothing. There were many, many Iraqi Veterans Against the War there getting arrested and TP doesn’t cover it at all?
DC Macing, Miami Rallying, and David Cline
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2007-09-15 22:20. Media
I hear they’re macing people in DC – will try to get details. I just spoke at a great rally for impeachment in Miami, speech and video coming soon. And I’m very saddened to learn of the death of David Cline, leader of Veterans for Peace. We should all try to do as much as he did in his admirable life.
Report from Lori Perdue:
Capitol police used pepper spray to try to deter people wanting to participate in the die-in as they went over the wall. Two unidentified males tried to go over the wall, and the police pushed them back with their riot shields. When they wouldn’t get down, they sprayed the men, and the wind spread the spray all over the front of the crowd. I got hit by overspray, and so did Krissy Klein, 13-year-old daughter of Tina Richards.
Also, Carlos Arredondo was jumped by eight members of the Gathering of Eagles. Beat him to the ground and kicked him repeatedly until a group of Veterans for Peace and Iraq vets pulled them off. He was at his truck, which is his memorial to his son, Alexander.
Baltimore Sun article with photos of Carlos.
Youtube rally video.
I spoke with Carlos and Medea and Gael, and Carlos is unstoppable, going to press charges. A Code Pink woman was slapped in the face by the Gathering of Vultures. A woman named Amy who was with Carlos was pushed around. Carlos was the only one beaten up. The pro-deathers also threatened people over a bull horn and shouted things to let the Code Pinkers know they knew the details of activities in the Code Pink house. I’m told Huffpost and other sites are playing this rally as equal numbers on two sides, but it was more like 15,000 – 20,000 for peace and impeachment vs. just under 1,000 for war and tyranny.
Carlos said he was holding an American flag upside down, which is what led to them attacking him. Over 1,000 people lay down at the Capitol to be arrested, but the police were happy to let them lie where they were. So, they found a way to get through the fence, and a smaller number got arrested.
____
Why did I have to spend 10 minutes drilling down with Google to find complete coverage of this event? The single photo that accompanies the very short AP article on this protest was taken from such an angle as to suggest that just a handful of people showed up! It also is vague about the number of anti-war protesters, describing their number simply as “thousands”, while clearly pointing out that an apparent counter-protest by a pro-Iraq-war group numbered “almost 1000″.
This has the affect of minimizing the relevance of this protest, the way the mainstream media minimizes everything that is counter to their agenda. It makes me sick. Thank God for you guys and a little truth in reporting
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/protesters_march_on_the_capito.html
This protest is being CENSORED by US media. Why is this story on in a BLOG and not a FEATURE on the SUN? Why is CNN still not even mentioning this event???
September 15th, 2007 at 9:21 pmWe should all consider ourselves lucky that polar bears don’t have the bomb.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:21 pmNova ran a special http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ about the dimming of the Sun. [pollution]
Comment by Ya Know — September 15, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
This is a very serious issue. The evidence that increased air pollution has been suppressing global warming is strong. This observation suggests that the climate might change even more rapidly than we imagine after the tipping point is reached.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:38 pmCarol,
Yes, I heard that over 160 people were arrested after they jumped a barrier at the Capitol building.
coverage of this event on the “liberal media”. If I hadn’t known ahead of time that there was a march today, and wasn’t subsequently actively searching for this information, I would never had known.
A free press is essential to the proper functioning of a free society. It’s clear we no longer have anything resembling a free press, which does not bode well for the future of our nation.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:43 pmThe word missing from the above post (before “coverage”): ZERO
September 15th, 2007 at 9:44 pmTrip, Carol,
The only solution will be for those of us that care to scrape together enough money to buy one of the mainstream media outlets.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pmas chicago suffers from record cold in sept…….
September 15th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWhy did I have to spend 10 minutes drilling down with Google to find complete coverage of this event?
by Carol Lam
It appears google is one of them.. part of the neocon corporate media with an agenda to keep the onward growing corporate trend just that. This is fascism.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:58 pmsara sez:
Indeed…as does Michigan. Weather patterns are complex, and the small increase in total global temperature has already produced significant changes. Anyone who thinks that global warming should result in even temperature increases in all areas doesn’t understand the first thing about climate.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:14 pmIt appears google is one of them.. part of the neocon corporate media with an agenda to keep the onward growing corporate trend just that
the 2 founders of google are leftie btw
September 15th, 2007 at 10:16 pmAnyone who thinks that global warming should result in even temperature increases in all areas doesn’t understand the first thing about climate
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
you lefties have your head so far up your obese eco terrorist leaders a hole youd believe anything he says.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:18 pmWasn’t it Google who just offered some multi-million dollar prize for a successful private moon-rover expedition?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI mean, come on, how about offering that kind of money to find solutions to problems here on earth?
stupid gits.
you to, timmy
September 15th, 2007 at 10:20 pmHey, tim,
Explain the opening of the Northwest Passage, then.
Go on, explain it. And just so we’re clear, ‘explain’ doesn’t mean ’spout infantile, irrelevant insults’.
We eagerly await your response.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:23 pmyou lefties have your head so far up your obese eco terrorist leaders a hole youd believe anything he says.
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
What a bizarre, incoherent comment…
September 15th, 2007 at 10:27 pmyou lefties have your head so far up your obese eco terrorist leaders a hole youd believe anything he says.
Comment by tim
September 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWhen I saw the title for the article, I wondered how long it would take for a wingnut to comment on gore’s girth. These people really are stupid. Temmah, look in the mirror, the next time bush opens his mouth.
you lefties have your head so far up your obese eco terrorist leaders a hole youd believe anything he says.
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Our obese eco terrorist leader in this instance, is the European Space Agency.
Nice try motorhead.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmHey, tim,
Explain the opening of the Northwest Passage, then.
Go on, explain it. And just so we’re clear, ‘explain’ doesn’t mean ’spout infantile, irrelevant insults’.
We eagerly await your response.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey —
ok soooo what the earth may have gone up a degree in 100 yrs, but how do you explain the loss of the iceage. i dont think men created the global warming then and i dont think there were many forest fires releasing carbon either back then. you need to look at the good things about global ‘warming’ . less in heating bills, less oil and coal to heat homes, more time to grow sugar cane to replace the oil we are using, plus usingless mid east oil means not funding non friendly countries. less frostbite, less money need for cities to budget for snow removal, , less antifreeze needed in my car, less chance for ice on roads and less car accidents thus reducing my insurance rates. plus the more heating we can now use the sun to desalinate the ocean waters so that we can use’ reclaimed’ ocean water to water lawns, crops etc for lower food prices. do you want me to keep going?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:38 pmGlobal warming is a liberal plot to undermine America! There is no proof! Listen to Rush Limbaugh! It’s all lies by Al Gore! Vote republican! bush is a genius! we are winnnig in iraq! iraqi people love us! and throw flowers at us! moslems love america! we must give up our constitution and bill of rights and let bush declare state of emergency! its for our own good!
pant pant pant… deep breat
September 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmThe melts will increase, since it has melted this much
Because of Ice-Albedo Feedback.
We will probably have an open Northern Passway way before 2070.
This will affect ocean currents world wide.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmAnd you righties have your heads so far up your goosestepping inbred Reichfurhers ass that if the world was on fire you still wouldn’t believe the science.
You’re a fool.
And the rest of us pay for the bar being lowered for you and the simpletons like you.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:41 pm“…thus reducing my insurance rates.”
Comment by tim
I made it as far as that one before spewing popcorn all over the monitor…
LOL
thanks for the guffaw…
you really are a stupid git ….
September 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pmtim sez:
Wow…you really don’t get it, do you?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pmdo you want me to keep going?
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
This guy comes across as a stone idiot. Sorry, but it’s true.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmok soooo what the earth may have gone up a degree in 100 yrs, but how do you explain the loss of the iceage.
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
What iceage you mental midget? Theres been 4 of them, and they were all caused by specific factors.
You hear a preacher or a politician tell you the science is wrong, and you suck it up like a moron. Then, you take your ignorance and try and spread it through hate, fear and religious superstition.
You’re an archaic cancer on our society. A throwback. And the sooner natural selection weeds the weakminded like yourself, the sooner mankind can move forward like it is destined to.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pm“…thus reducing my insurance rates.â€
Comment by tim
I made it as far as that one before spewing popcorn all over the monitor…
LOL
thanks for the guffaw…
you really are a stupid git ….
Comment by Polly Mathe
hey polly I am just trying to lighten it up in here- we all take ourselves toooo seriuosly
September 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmWhat iceage you mental midget? Theres been 4 of them, and they were all caused by specific factors
ok, if i am the idiot and you are the expert, what caused the 4 iceages?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWow…you really don’t get it, do you?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
These mouth breathers do not understand that if the polar caps melt, we will have a worldwide slowing or shutdown of the worlds ocean currents. These currents carry nutrients to the worlds plankton. Worst Case Scenario : If the currents stop, the plankton dies. If the plankton die, most of the oceans marine life will die.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pmIf the oceans die, we will soon follow.
All I saw in tim rant’s about the “benefits” of global warming were how warmer weather would mean less spending on cold weather items. He doesn’t understand how weather changes affect migration patterns of animals (not to mention breeding seasons), increases algae growing on waters which chokes off sunlight, which kills others microscopic critters, which upsets the whole ecological food chain which means no food on the table. Lower prices at the gas pump, maybe, but no food on the table.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:56 pmhey polly I am just trying to lighten it up in here- we all take ourselves toooo seriuosly
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Gee you’re right. I mean, whats a little death and dismemberment of 20,000 young Americans in a foreign land anyway? Or why get serious about the tidal changes wiping out half the worlds shoreline?
Its not like these are important matters, right?
September 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmIf the oceans die, we will soon follow.
Comment by Wayne — September 15, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Uuuuuh…. yeah… not good.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmPolly Mathe sez:
You made it farther than me…I lost it when I hit ‘less antifreeze needed in my car’.
tim’s ignorance is truly breathtaking.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pmok, if i am the idiot and you are the expert, what caused the 4 iceages?
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Go read a book dickhead. It’s not my week to tutor the inbreds.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:59 pmthe 2 founders of google are leftie btw
Comment by tim
I know… that was some time ago… Many times lately I can not find an article in google as I used to.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmSee folks, to a neocon, its all already been decided by God. Theres no reason to for them to do anything, other than send the “evildoers” to him for judgement (as if he couldn’t do that himself).
To a neocon science is “interesting”, but then again so is astrology.
To a neocon, a polysyllabic word is something only homosexuals use, and therefore not welcome in their circles.
To a neocon, its still cool to be dumb. Just like it was in school.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:02 pmWayne sez:
Actually, Wayne, I believe that the marine plankton is responsible for around 60% of the oxygen production for the planet. If we lose the plankton, we lose.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pmComment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Mind-numbing stupidity on full display.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:05 pmGo read a book dickhead. It’s not my week to tutor the inbreds.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
ok, i tried but no matter what we do, it aint going to have any affect on changing anything . we just need to make more clouds to block out the sunlite
September 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pmActually, Wayne, I believe that the marine plankton is responsible for around 60% of the oxygen production for the planet. If we lose the plankton, we lose.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Yep.
As I said If the oceans die, we die.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:09 pmThe whole ecosystem breaks down.
we just need to make more clouds to block out the sunlite
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Must be a new kind of troll. They’ve got one on the thread below who comes across the same way. No caps, bad spelling, weak grammar. Might even be the same person. There’s something very similar about the way the statments are worded.
First makes an inflammatory statement guaranteed to draw criticism, then tries to act clownish about it.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:10 pmAssuming we have one, history will record this age pretty much like every other age in human history.
It will show that science and ultimately mankind suffered because of the religious and superstitious beliefs of a powerful ruling class minority.
You’d have thought we would have learned by now.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:12 pmwe just need to make more clouds to block out the sunlite
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Or maybe you could just continue to engulf the planet in a blanket of bullshit.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:15 pmok, i will be civil for just a second, I just came on here just to rile you a bit and have a little fun. the creative namecalling regarding me and my character is pretty funny. it dont bother me a bit. but honestly i dont think any politicin left or right is going to do anything to change any weather pattern- thats all
September 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pmbut honestly i dont think any politicin left or right is going to do anything to change any weather pattern- thats all
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
First, you’re haven’t “riled” anyone. I’d put it no higher than amused.
Second, you’re ignorance on the topic is so overwhelming, no one really knows where to begin, so I’ll leave you with this.
If you knew anything about the subject, you’d understand that reducing carbon emissions has NOTHING to do with changing “weather patterns”.
It has to do with reducing the density of the atmospheric build up, thus releasing more energy back into space and thus cooling the planet.
Next time, instead of getting your talking points from the Messiah U debating team, try learning something about the topic, which in this case, is global warming. Once you learn something about it, you might find it matters to you.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pmOk, I guess when you have a topic about thermonucleaic emmission or nuclear pressession in static magnet fields I will be on board with that. Dont assume I am a not educated because I dont agree with what you say or the lack of what I say. You cannot determine my education based on a few lines I have put in here to play with you guys. I could teach you something as well
September 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pmNice google words nimrod.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pmI could teach you something as well
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
You’re just coming here to f*ck w/ people. You’re a phony.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pmHere nimrod. Let me refresh your amazingly short memory.
You said;
but honestly i dont think any politicin left or right is going to do anything to change any weather pattern- thats all
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
:|
Yea. You’re a real genius there Oppenheimer.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:38 pmWhy is this story on in a BLOG and not a FEATURE on the SUN? Why is CNN still not even mentioning this event???
Comment by Carol Lam #7
…good question Carol…
…why isn’t TP covering it???
September 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pmCould you teach me to be as stupid as you?
September 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pmBy the way.
What’s a “politicin”?
September 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pmNice google words nimrod
i took Radiobiology back in
September 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pm1991, as well as radiation physics, Learned mri physics 14 yrs ago. Its my job. Thermonucleaic emmission is the result of an xray photon hitting a spinning anode to create an xray. believe me now.
tim sez:
Actually, I can determine your education based on one line:
That one sentence tells me all I need to know about your “education”.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmi just love it when you guys try to call me names because I am not the troll you had me out to be.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSee folks, to a neocon, its all already been decided by God. Theres no reason to for them to do anything, other than send the “evildoers†to him for judgement (as if he couldn’t do that himself).
To a neocon science is “interestingâ€, but then again so is astrology.
To a neocon, a polysyllabic word is something only homosexuals use, and therefore not welcome in their circles.
To a neocon, its still cool to be dumb. Just like it was in school.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 15, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
I felt the need to respond to your assertions.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmNot all conservatives are Pat Robertson duplicates who believe in young earth creationism. Conservative radio host Michael Savage believes in evolution; he is a PhD ethnobiologist. I certainly cannot stereotype all liberals, you shouldn’t do it to conservatives.
believe me now.
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
No.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmbelieve me now.
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Yer a phony, pal, whether or not ya got the education. First ya come kinda dumb and make some very provocative comments guaranteed to get a slapback. Then, ya come on like a clown, and now, yer Mr Super Educated. Go away. Yer just here to f*ck w/ people, troll.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmAs with past DC protests, TP will cover in detail tomorrow.
Unlike the idiotic mainstream media, TP chooses to allow events to become “news” before reporting.
Sheesh, you folks have NO short-term memory, do you?
September 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pmNot all conservatives are Pat Robertson duplicates who believe in young earth creationism. Conservative radio host Michael Savage believes in evolution; he is a PhD ethnobiologist. I certainly cannot stereotype all liberals, you shouldn’t do it to conservatives.
Comment by A Conservative — September 15, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Great. Then don’t tell me skippy. Get your asses out there and sell it if you got it. Now would be the time.
Cause right now slim, no ones talking but the superchristies. And until some conservatives that aren’t of the scorch and burn persuasion start drowning out the holy rollers, I’ll continue to call em as I see em.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pmHere time. Before you go proclaiming your former career as a brain surgeon, let me refresh your really amazingly short memory.
You said;
but honestly i dont think any politicin left or right is going to do anything to change any weather pattern- thats all
Comment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
:|
See tim, that sh#t sells itself.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmAnd you still haven’t told us what a politicin is.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmArctic Ice At Record Lows, Not News: Antarctic Ice At Historic High
The low level of arctic ice, of course, has all the global warming zealots really concerned. But what’s funny is that it has also just been announced that Antartica has ice extent at a level not seen since 1979.
What’s really funny, however, is that the Associated Press and the rest of the media are only picking up on one of these stories.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
September 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmSheesh, you folks have NO short-term memory, do you?
Comment by Not Canadian #64
… It was an honest inquiry NC…
…sorry we don’t all possess the same level of obvious smug, self-anointed genius…
…streaming from our rectal orifices…
…as YOU…
September 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — September 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Who do you consider “superchristies”? Bush? Half of the Republican party hates him, most independent conservatives I know don’t approve of him at all.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pmGee, I wonder why that is?
Comment by Harry “The Body” Reid — September 15, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Gee, Harry, impressed w/ your own cleverness? If you have a point to make, make it. Don’t try to impress us w/ your smugness, ’cause it ain’t workin’.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmWho do you consider “superchristies� Bush? Half of the Republican party hates him,.
Comment by A Conservative — September 15, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Yea? Well not the voting half. And not the half in congress.
Like I said Clem, if they’re out there, then they’re not talkin.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:56 pm“… most independent conservatives I know don’t approve of him at all.”
Comment by A Conservative — September 15, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
I guess it’d be the 29% that backs him no matter what. As far as half the GOOPers hating him, tough. You put him in office, he’s yours. Wear that albatross proudly, Harry.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:56 pmOh so wrong on so many issues.
FIRST, Antartica is seeing record levels of SNOW, not ice. The ice there too is receding IDIOT.
And the increase in snowfall was predicted by those who study global climate change.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out…
September 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pm, most independent conservatives I know don’t approve of him at all.
Comment by A Conservative — September 15, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Great. Don’t tell me. Get your asses out there and tell the nation.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pmOh so wrong on so many issues.
FIRST, Antartica is seeing record levels of SNOW, not ice. The ice there too is receding IDIOT.
And the increase in snowfall was predicted by those who study global climate change.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out…
Comment by Not Canadian
all that ice that is melting is nothing more than compressed snow
September 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amGet your asses out there and tell the nation.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 15, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
And all those GOOper Congressmen who keep backing his insanity!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amall that ice that is melting is nothing more than compressed snow
Comment by timm — September 16, 2007 @ 12:00 am
You should ask your mom to have some of those paint chips you’ve been chewing on sampled for lead.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:02 amall that ice that is melting is nothing more than compressed snow
Comment by timm
All that ice in Antartica is Land Based. Do you have any idea what that means?
Unlike when the artic, Water Based ice, melts, when the Antartic ice melts, sea levels will ride dramatically.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:03 amFIRST, Antartica is seeing record levels of SNOW, not ice. The ice there too is receding IDIOT.
And the increase in snowfall was predicted by those who study global climate change.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out…
Comment by Not Canadian — September 15, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
The data is mixed for the southern ice cap.
Many researchers have concluded that the antarctic ice is thickening.
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
September 16th, 2007 at 12:04 amComment by tim — September 15, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
How is your home gonna use less electricity in the hotter summer months?
How exactly are you gonna use less anti-freeze when engines use a thermostat to keep the temp s between 160-220 degress, anti-freeze also helps prevent boil over?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amLil papa baby,
…you of all people…
…should know…
…as a long-time poster…
…that TP always covers a liberal protest…
…THE FOLLOWING DAY…
…but maybe you’re not much smarter…
…THAN THE average TROLL…
…now go get yer drool bib…
…that’s quite a mess you made…
…IN YOUR DIAPER…
September 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amOMG we are all going to melt….run…..run for your lives…flee….flee to the hills….to higher ground………build a raft quick were all going to drown. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP! Quick look up………will you look at that……..its All Goreilla in his priviat jet on the way to a fund raiser. Hippo-crates!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amall that ice that is melting is nothing more than compressed snow
Comment by timm
How will all that freshwater affect the thermohaline conveyor belt?
el ninos and el ninas?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amMany researchers have concluded that the antarctic ice is thickening.
Comment by A Conservative
Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Melting Rapidly
New Study Warns Of Rising Sea Levels
The Antarctic ice sheet is losing as much as 36 cubic miles of ice a year in a trend that scientists link to global warming, according to a new paper that provides the first evidence that the sheet’s total mass is shrinking significantly.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amOnce again, user registration on TP can’t come soon enough…
September 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amsea levels will ride dramatically.
Comment by Wayne
I guess I will have oceanfront property in AZ!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amts All Goreilla in his priviat jet on the way to a fund raiser. Hippo-crates!
Comment by booger
Read the article I posted from Nova, above, it speaks of jet contrails as well.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:09 am…build a raft quick were all going to drown. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP! -booger
Happened to Noah didnt it?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:10 amso how much has the ocean level gone up in NEWYORK? Florida? CA?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amI believe that the trend is thickening of ice in the middle of Antarctica, due to increased snowfall, and rapid loss of ice near the coast and offshore. These effects are both consistent with global warming.
To deny global warming at this stage you must either be extremely ignorant, dumber than a rock, or paid to lie.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:14 amComment by wayne — September 16, 2007
Floating ice melt wont cause a rise in seal level, land ice melt can.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amThe data is mixed for the southern ice cap.
Many researchers have concluded that the antarctic ice is thickening.
http://icecap.us/ index.php/ go/ joes-blog/ a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 12:04 am
A. This is a link to a blog for an anti global warming group.
B. The entire global scientific community (who does not have an axe to grind as these clowns do) discredits their assumptions, as does the physical evidence we are currnetly seeing.
C. For the first time in recorded history the northwest passage will be a shipping route. This is not a “belief” as these clowns state theirs is. This is fact and its happening as we speak.
The planet is warming at an accelerated pace due to carbon emission buildup below the atmosphere, trapping heat and warming the planet.
Real science has always been hampered by mediocre minds.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amMr p has snuck on board again.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amLOL, I just love the Conservatives that say global flooding cant happen until you remind them of Noah.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amComment by Not Canadian #82
Oh EXALTED NC…
…Why you’ve certainly elevated the level of civil discourse…
…with your highly sophisticated response…
…to my ignorant query…
…you’re right I should’ve known TP’s reporting schedule…
…thank you for your insulting criticism…
…it has certainly made me a better participant on this site…
September 16th, 2007 at 12:17 amOMG we are all going to melt….run…..run for your lives…flee….flee to the hills….to higher ground………build a raft quick were all going to drown. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP! Quick look up………will you look at that……..its All Goreilla in his priviat jet on the way to a fund raiser. Hippo-crates!
Comment by booger — September 16, 2007 @ 12:06 am
Theres your prime example of a lowbrow right wing throwback.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amRead the article I posted from Nova, above, it speaks of jet contrails as well.
Comment by Ya Know — September 16, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Oh yeah, that makes as much sence as this…….the warmer it gets the more storms the earth will have thus more clouds which will cool the earth by blocking the sun…………mmmm wait a minute….or would that hold the heat of the earth in………..hell….I live in the North West and I have not seen the sun in the past week……Im cold, I could use some warming.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amMr p has snuck on board again.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
He must be, MR Tripping again.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amFloating ice melt wont cause a rise in seal level, land ice melt can.
Comment by Ya Know
Land based ice melt will raise sea levels.
And also as the water gets warmer, there is a thermosteric contribution to the rise of sea levels as well as the contribition from more volume..
September 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amSimple science 101 fact, as water warms, it expands.
Im cold, I could use some warming.
Comment by boogerBOO! — September 16, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Yer also obnoxious and not very bright.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:21 amTo deny global warming at this stage you must either be extremely ignorant, dumber than a rock, or paid to lie.
Comment by VerbalKint — September 16, 2007 @ 12:14 am
“In the Science paper, Monaghan and others show that there has been no significant change in Antarctic snowfall in the last ~50 years. This is a potentially important result because most calculations suggest that as the globe warms, polar snowfall should increase, somewhat mitigating the sea level rise that is expected to result as the margins of the ice sheets melt and thin.”
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/08/antarctica-snowfall/
This study contradicts your assertion, however, other scientists have had different results. I do not deny global warming, but as a science student myself I am always skeptical.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:21 amNite all! Had enough for this week!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:21 amIm cold, I could use some warming.
Comment by boogerBOO! — September 16, 2007
Havent you ever noticed that when the clouds dissipate it gets colder?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:22 ambut as a science student myself I am always skeptical.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 12:21 am
lol.
So they’re teaching science at Messiah U these days?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amBig papa’s stool,
…you’ve never contributed to this site…
…other than your fragmented stream of con
scious pist style…
…reminds me of Rainman…
…so you must be good with numbers…
…TOO…
…and how bout them biscuits and mustard, “mhmm-hmm”…
…some folks calls it a kaiser blade, but to you it’s a ’slingblade’…
September 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amOh yeah, that makes as much sence as this…….the warmer it gets the more storms the earth will have thus more clouds which will cool the earth by blocking the sun -Booger
Jet contrails are not just water vapor. They work to reflect heat back into space, they also hold in the heat as well.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amIts hard to get a good science education from a school that believes early man saddled and rode the dinosaurs.
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Not to mention how confusing it is to translate everything into cubits.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:26 amComment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 12:23 am
No, I don’t go to a religious school.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amDidn’t I say all conservatives aren’t Pat Robertsons!!
Didn’t I say all conservatives aren’t Pat Robertsons!!
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Yea. While simultaneously posting right wing anti global warming rhetoric from neocon wingnut sites.
Like I said flavius, that stuff sells itself.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:29 amDidn’t I say all conservatives aren’t Pat Robertsons!!
Comment by A Conservative — September
Makes me wonder why Ann Coulter says all other than her species are Godless.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:29 amSorry ‘big’ poopa,
But you were off-topic, whiny and ignorant.
Truth hurts, always has, always will.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:31 amOh well, if you didn’t go to religious schools surely you undertsand the flood of Xisithrus, Conservative?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:33 amYea. While simultaneously posting right wing anti global warming rhetoric from neocon wingnut sites.
Like I said flavius, that stuff sells itself.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 12:29 am
The data came from U. of Illinois. The other link I posted was from Ohio State researchers.
There are many scientists who disagree about the extent to which humans impact global warming. Global warming itself does exist, so polar ice levels aren’t even that relevent to the argument, considering global temperature rises have been universally established.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amThere are many scientists who disagree about the extent to which humans impact global warming. -A Con
I blame it all on concrete and swimming pools and the beverly hillbillies.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:41 amOh well, if you didn’t go to religious schools surely you undertsand the flood of Xisithrus, Conservative?
Comment by Ya Know — September 16, 2007 @ 12:33 am
It was a flood myth, I believe
September 16th, 2007 at 12:43 amYou’re full of sh1t. I followed your links. The first one went to the politically based neocon wingnut anti global warming group, icecap ( International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project). The next one went to a slightly more respected group, but neither of your quotes has ANYTHING to do with the fact that the northwest passage is clearing of ice.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:44 amThere are many scientists who disagree about the extent to which humans impact global warming.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 12:37 am
But very few who deny that the extent is considerable. Quit trying to finesse the issue.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:49 amNorthwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.
Seriously, wouldn’t that be a good thing? I believe about 15,000 people died of malaria while they dug the Panama Canal.
If you intend to scare us about Global Warming – stick to the flooding coastlines, massive hurricanes, you know – bad stuff.
BTW, you’re all eventually moving to Canada anyway. Global Warming will make things more comfortable for you there.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amIt was a flood myth, I believe
Comment by A Conservative
Actually deeper digs at UR show a layer of clay deposited by water. It wasnt, obviously a global flood. But notice how much Xisithrus sounds like Ichthus.
Xisithrus was another name for Noah.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amIf you intend to scare us about Global Warming – stick to the flooding coastlines, massive hurricanes, you know – bad stuff. -Paul
Yellowcake! Mushroom clouds! Flying Camels!!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:53 amYou’re full of sh1t. I followed your links. The first one went to the politically based neocon wingnut anti global warming group, icecap ( International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project). The next one went to a slightly more respected group, but neither of your quotes has ANYTHING to do with the fact that the northwest passage is clearing of ice.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 12:44 am
omment by VerbalKint — September 16, 2007 @ 12:49 am
The data that the neocon site quoted was from U. of Illinios.
Anyway, in the midst of this discussion I went back and checked the list of dissenting organizations who disagreed with the global warming consensus. There are none anymore. So, as a legitimate student of science, I will have to concede that you are most likely correct about the human impact of global warming, it would be foolish at this point to debate the issue.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:57 am“It appears google is one of them.. part of the neocon corporate media with an agenda to keep the onward growing corporate trend just that. This is fascism.
Comment by had enough — September 15, 2007 @ 9:58 pm”
Or could it just be that the media is sick and tired of the constant embarrasment of having to answer for the actions of far left kooks?
It seems everytime the media’s camera is pointed toward the left, some idiot dressed in a frilly pink outfit is screaming about impeachment, or Cindy Sheehan is tripping over her own words, calling our duly elected president a murderer, and our congress a pack of warmongers, or MoveOn.org is putting up some ad calling a 20 year veteran General a traitor.
Until you of the far left can come to the table with some form of intelligent debate, and show some decorum, I believe you will be, for lack of a better term, “sucking hind tit” in the national media for the forseeable future.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:03 amThe data that the neocon site quoted was from U. of Illinios.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 12:57 am
You don’t know that. You know its a neocon site with an axe to grind, and they are most likely cherrypicking the data like Bush did with the CIA report on Iraq and WMD, and pretty much every other peice of crap he wants to sell.
If it was,then post a link to the date from the U of Illinois dept that produced the data.
And by the way, even it it was quoted accurately and in context, the fact is that the OVERWHELMING majority of the scientific commuity who does NOT have an axe to grind, is NOT funded by the energy community and who is just examining real evidence, agrees on this one, key scientific fact.
That carbon emissions are higher than every before on the planet, and that in turn is thickening the atmospheric density and causing the planet to heat up.
Thats a fact, and all your googling of anti global warming sites is not gonna change it.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:05 amComment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007
Kewl.
But stick around there are plenty of issues. Most of the conservative types we get here just want to play Limbaugh or Oreilly and sling around rhetoric.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:07 amBesides. Who out there is dumb enough to require a study to tell them that funnelling a never ending plume of filthy black non posionus gas into the air we breath, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, … is probably not the healthiest thing in the world?
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If you need a study to tell you that, then you probably have some issues.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:08 amPardon me.
That should read ” a never ending plume of filthy black poisonous gas”.
Not non posionous. Sorry for the confusion.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:11 amUntil you of the far left can come to the table with some form of intelligent debate, -Big O.
But there are cookies on the table!
It seems everytime the media’s camera is pointed toward the left, some idiot dressed in a frilly pink outfit is screaming about impeachment -Big O.
Yeh, I go tired of that Drudge nonsense and Ken Starr talking about impeachment a long time ago, all that intelligent debate. And this Larry Craig debate, talk about intelligent!
September 16th, 2007 at 1:12 am[Rattling your cage]
Until you of the far left can come to the table with some form of intelligent debate, and show some decorum, I believe you will be, for lack of a better term, “sucking hind tit†in the national media for the forseeable future.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 16, 2007 @ 1:03 am
Oh yea and the press just loves you guys.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:15 amAnd Bush wasn’t duly elected.
Duly seized power maybe.
Duly annointed perhaps.
But he was never duly elected.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:16 amWhen the Supreme Court of the United States gets to pick the President, then maybe its time to stop worrying about establishing democracy in the middle east, and start worrying about establishing some of it right here.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amBack on topic.
Finally a Northwest passage, eh? Won’t that save shipping companies a lot of fuel? Thus cutting back on global warming? Yada yada.
Man made global warming is a myth.
The earth has gone through warming/cooling cycles since the beginning. Arctic ice is at it’s lowest in recorded human history? Not even close. It’s at it’s lowest since they started taking photos in 1978…not quite 30 years.
I’m sure when they started taking photos of polar ice back in the 1970’s, it was to document the coming ice age.
Global warming is the “disaster da’ jour” for scientists looking for funding, and politicos looking for something that sounds important to talk about. Nothing more.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:19 amYa know, I really do wonder how much all this reflective heat from concrete and cities affects temps, as anyone knows who has ridden in a small plane over highways, there is quite an updraft of heated air.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:21 amYea you’re a real “Road Scholar” there OBigmouth.
A real Alfred E. Newman.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:21 amIf you need a study to tell you that, then you probably have some issues.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 1:08 am
I never said pollution was good, in fact, whether or not global warming exists should not influence fact that we should reduce pollution and start building new energy technologies for the sake of human health (also, so we can stop buying oil from terrorists like King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia).
I’m not a climate scientist, so your assertion that I needed help if I didn’t believe human air pollution would automatically cause global warming was insulting. Given the massive size of the globe, sunspots, ice age cycles, etc, global warming’s cause cannot be concluded without extensive research.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:21 amMan made global warming is a myth. -Big O
Never said it was, I have always said we are exacerbating the warming.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:22 amYa know, I really do wonder how much all this reflective heat from concrete and cities affects temps, as anyone knows who has ridden in a small plane over highways, there is quite an updraft of heated air.
Comment by Ya Know — September 16, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Thats not the problem. Its core temperature that matters. And the energy naturally reflects off of any surface matter it encounters. The problem is that less of it is escaping back into space, and is being trapped by our ever thickening atmosphere. We need to get off the fossil fuels, which contribute to a large percentage of this emissions build up.
The really funny part is, why wouldn’t we want to? Think about it. Our air in cities is choked with car fumes. Anyone living near a city knows that. The exhaust can be choking in downtown DC on a hot saturday afternoon, so bad your throat burns. So why wouldn’t we want to clean that up?
And why wouldn’t we want to be able to tell the middle east to kiss our ass and they can keep their black goo? huh? WHY?
If most of the scientific community is encouraging us that this will help cool the planet, and thus make a better life for our children, and if we know it will make our air cleaner now, and remove our parisitical dependence on the middle east, AND make us safer from terrorism, then WHY in Gods name, would anyone want to discourage that?
You pencilnecks in here pushing your anti global warming propadanda better sit back, and ask yourselves those questions and then give yourself some honest answers.
Choose this day whom ye will serve.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:29 amGiven the massive size of the globe, sunspots, ice age cycles, etc, global warming’s cause cannot be concluded without extensive research. Comment by A Conservative
I think the earths precession cycle [26,000 yrs] alters it somewhat.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amI’m not a climate scientist,
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Gee, no kidding?
September 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amThats not the problem. Its core temperature that matters. And the energy naturally reflects off of any surface matter it encounters. The problem is that less of it is escaping back into space, and is being trapped by our ever thickening atmosphere. -BB
I was just curious. I doubt they even try to calculate the reflective mass of large cities in the computer models.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:34 amGiven the massive size of the globe, sunspots, ice age cycles, etc, global warming’s cause cannot be concluded without extensive research.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Keep shilling for Exxon you cheap web lobbying hack.
Play your “middle of the road” while you push hard to the right.
No ones buying your bs. The jury is not “in” on this one. Its OUT. And NO ONE is arguing that there are not multiple naturally occuring contributing factors to global warming. Thats YOUR STRAWMAN argument that no one in here has made, but that you keep debating.
And NO ONE is arguing that there are not naturally occuring cycles of global warming and cooling, that is another of your STRAWMEN that you alone debate.
And NONE of that changes the fact that carbon emission buildup is increasing the earths core temperature at a dramatically accelerated rate, which is the REAL science, that people like you keep trying to obscure with your silly strawman.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amYou pencilnecks in here pushing your anti global warming propadanda better sit back, -BB
Im not a GW denier. As I said mankind is exacerbating GW and may cause it to tip in a not so good way.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amAnyway I’m sure you’re not too worried about global warming anyway, considering the climate of where you’re likely headed.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:39 amIm not a GW denier.
Comment by Ya Know — September 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
No, you’re more of a muddier.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:40 amNASA Team Finds Atlanta Influences Its Own Weather … The resulting wind convergence creates an upward flow motion, pushing up the hot air to trigger …
September 16th, 2007 at 1:40 amearthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/1999/19990324203.html
Question. Why is “Ya Know” answering for “A Conservative”?
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I think I know why.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amGee, no kidding?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 1:31 am
I acknowledged you were correct about global warming, it was my fault for not checking the latest consensus of organizations. I used logical arguments to change my position on the issue. You are still acting like I’m stupid because I’m conservative.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amAnyway I’m tired of the incog-neato trolling, so I’ll say chow for now.
See you in the funny papers.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amNo, you’re more of a muddier.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
No, Look, big cities DO effect weather. Mankind builds cities.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:43 amYou are still acting like I’m stupid because I’m conservative.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 1:41 am
No.
You’re acting stupid because you’re a conservative.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:43 amCmon BartleBee, Im not a pulling a incognito here.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:45 amBut please. Prove me wrong. Share with us your purpose here this evening.
To what great message can we heed from your words of wisdom to night, oh middle of the road friendly and not christy conservative guy?
What is the purpose, of your hourly commitment to this thread, praytell, or your never ending comments to counter mine?
September 16th, 2007 at 1:47 amComment by Ya Know — September 16, 2007 @ 1:45 am
Gee…. I don’t know….
September 16th, 2007 at 1:47 amArctic ice drops to record low levels.
Great!!!
September 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amI think it was Shakespeare who said.. ” a troll by any other name…..
September 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amNo.
You’re acting stupid because you’re a conservative.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Did you read my entire post before? I conceeded you were correct about GW. Yet, you continue to speak to me as if I am a stupid, god-fearing, end of days, religious fanatic ultra-conservative.
I’m an athiest, FYI.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amOr was it John Donne, who’s terse refrain haunts us to this day….“ask not for whom the bell trolls…..
September 16th, 2007 at 1:50 amI’m an athiest, FYI.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 1:48 am
I don’t beleive in athiesm.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:51 amDid you read my entire post before? I conceeded you were correct about GW.
Comment by A Conservative — September 16, 2007 @ 1:48 am
Yea. After an hour of badgering me.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:52 am190 protesters against the Iraq war are arrested; a major confrontation against Bush’s policies; and TP leads with melting arctic ice ensures the redemption of famous explorers. At long last, the northwest passage! More ice-free land for oil!
September 16th, 2007 at 1:55 amYou know it never ceases to amaze me how everyone has to classify themselves. “I’m an atheist. I’m a Christian. I’m a Muslim”. Blah blah blah.
How about I’m a human, and don’t have a f@@$#king clue what happens to me when I die, or whether theres a God or not, so maybe I should shut up and stop telling everyone what Gods like, or not like, and try listening for a change. Maybe if we all stopped answering the question for each other, and all started “asking” the questions, then we might actually get some real answers.
September 16th, 2007 at 2:05 amAethism is by the way, just as bad as religion. Thats because its the anti religion, and is thus a relgion of sorts of its own. Its a belief system. And belief systems tend to ignore science and research and empirical data.
And like all religion, atheism seeks to push itself onto others. To “spread its word”. The fact is science is the only group actually asking questions, and not just answering them, so I’ll follow the scientists and follow my heart when it comes to matters of right and wrong and not someone who bases their morality on a predifined set of standards. Standards defined by someone else.
September 16th, 2007 at 2:18 amI say we demand Gore run for the presidency in’08, obligate him for the betterment of our country. Maybe use the power of mass conscience… some call prayer…everyone email Gore and demand he get his hat in there…wouldn’t Hilliary have a fit?
September 16th, 2007 at 3:15 amMeanwhile in the Antarctic…
September 16th, 2007 at 5:42 amspeaking of 9/11, Bill Maher went out of his way to insult about 2/3 of his primary audience – calling anyone who questions the administration’s official 9/11 theory a “lunatic.”
Read through all of the comments and review all of the links in the message thread that follows this RAW STORY article if you have yet to comprehend the entire truth:
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Bill_Maher_Thinks_911_Truthers_should_0915.html
Critical Mass appears to have been achieved. The American People get it now.
September 16th, 2007 at 6:23 amAnyone who wonders about stability in systems should study the model of the spinning top. What happens to the top before it collapses? It begins to swing wildly in an effort to maintain its equilibrium. Kind of says it all–the why and the wherefore of record cold (in September, mind you–when it isn’t supposed to be cold) can be interpersed with 70 degree days in January in New York. As an aside, the model could say alot about the stock market lately too!
September 16th, 2007 at 7:30 amAnd where would global warming be in the ‘08 debate?
http://www.political-buzz.com/
September 16th, 2007 at 9:19 amWhy would anyone believe Bush’s propaganda on global warming not being real when he’s lied about everything to the people over the past 6 years??
In fact, just last week one of his administration top scientists now concluded that the bulk of global warming is, in fact, “man made”.
Bush is not only delusional, he’s attempting to wreak his brand of havoc on the entire planet at this point in debating global warming.
In fact, even if it were a debatable issue at this point, WHICH IT IS NOT (AT LEAST SCIENTIFICALLY), what would be wrong with taking precautions and changing our vulgar lifestyle?? Nothing. So the Repukes have absolutely no issue they can spin here and come out smelling like anything but slimebags.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:20 amAethism is by the way, just as bad as religion. Thats because its the anti religion, and is thus a relgion of sorts of its own. Its a belief system. And belief systems tend to ignore science and research and empirical data.
And like all religion, atheism seeks to push itself onto others. To “spread its wordâ€. The fact is science is the only group actually asking questions, and not just answering them, so I’ll follow the scientists and follow my heart when it comes to matters of right and wrong and not someone who bases their morality on a predifined set of standards. Standards defined by someone else.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 16, 2007 @ 2:18 am
Not true, in my experience as an atheist for over 40 years. I don’t know where that diatribe came from, but atheism is the opposite of a belief system, rejecting the idea of “faith” in the unproveable and invisible, and embracing scientific approaches and truths. While there certainly are anti-religious atheists preaching their own doctrine, there is no power base there, and no daily brainwashing through television and atheist steeples dotting the landscape. You’re using an isolated personal experience as a broad brush, is my guess.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:21 amAce: Do you think Maher was being sarcastic since now an overwhelming number of americans fail to believe Bush’s “official story”??
September 16th, 2007 at 10:21 amHad Enough? I’m with you on drafting Al Gore who has turned out to be a “contemporary prophet” because every one of his platform issues (problems) has reared it’s ugly head under Bush. It’s almost as though the problems had to become exponentially horrendous to highlight them to the people who still didn’t get it.
Maybe Al Gore will realize that, just like global warming, Bush has created a “global catastrophe” and it will take one with a respected character worldwide as well as one with a sophisticated “worldview” to save this country from self-destruction and bring peace to the planet.
Global warming is a huge issue so I’m not attempting to trivialize it in the least; World Peace, however, is a much larger issue for him to tackle.
I believe that Gore is up to the task and can do it like no other. …. Certainly not any of the candidates on both sides of the aisle right now.
A Bloomberg/Gore or Gore/Bloomberg ticket is what is essential to help reinstate real patriotism in this country, not the hypocritical brand which has prevailed over the past 6 years.
GORE/BLOOMBERG IN 08! YES!!!
September 16th, 2007 at 10:25 amQUESTION:
Once Florida is under water, will it still get its electoral college votes?
September 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amNow would be a good time to buy property in the 100-200′ elevation range. Your grandchildren will end up inheriting prime beach-front real estate.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:32 amI’ve got a nice perch in the middle Rio Grande valley, I’ll have a good view of the yacht dock.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:35 am“I say we demand Gore run for the presidency in’08, obligate him for the betterment of our country. Maybe use the power of mass conscience… some call prayer…everyone email Gore and demand he get his hat in there…wouldn’t Hilliary have a fit?
Comment by had enough — September 16, 2007 @ 3:15 am”
Please do!
Gore would be a one issue candidate. All global warming, all the time. And it’s already been shown that the global warming issue does not resonate with the people. Americans are tired of the daily global disaster stories…heck, disaster flicks don’t even make any money at the box office anymore. The public has become jaded by over half a century of “imminent” destruction.
Unless Al Gore was going to use a fleet of hybrid vehicles for his campaign travel, keep his private plane grounded, and move into a 2 bedroom economy flat, we’d have a field day capping on his hypocrisy.
I don’t think he would want anyone to dig too deep into his phony carbon offset scam either. A presidential campaign would shine too many lights into too many closets.
Besides, the fix is in: Hillary Clinton has been the Democrat “heir apparent” for nearly 8 years.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:43 amSomething no one else has mentioned.
What happens when the weight of all that ice is transferred from Greenland and Antarctica onto the tectonic plates under the world’s oceans?
A significant ammount of pressure will be lifted from certain locations and put on others.
Has anybody run the geological predictions on the likelihood of resultant earthquakes and volcanic activity?
September 16th, 2007 at 10:44 amBigfoot: Guess you’re experiencing memory failure if you can’t recall that every issue of Al Gore’s platform from campaign finance reform to global warming to term limits is rearing it’s ugly face right now with the overwhelming level of GOP corruption due to lobbyists, etc.
Ever hear of Jack Abramoff by any chance? Perhaps you do live in shell if you haven’t?
Gore being a “one issue candidate” is so amazingly far from the truth that I question not only your level of intelligence but your sanity as well. There are plenty of good shrinks out there, friend.
Al Gore’s notoriety is “worldwide” and he is a hundred times more respected by the international community that Bush is right now as president.
He’s gained the faith and trust of the american people so it’s a “no brainer” if he would arrive on the scene – he’d win hands down just like he did in 2000 before Tom Feeney, Katherine Harris, and Brother Jebbie “hacked” the totals in Florida. Everyone knows he won the popular vote and the election was “stolen” from him – that is, perhaps everyone unlike yourself who lives in a dark corner of your mold-encrusted cellar.
Get some sunshine sometime – it will do you a world of good. Shake off those demons and come out into the real world sometime.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amO.Bigfoot: Why are the Repukes so afraid of Gore??? It’s because the man has credibility, that’s why – something woefully absent from any member of the GOP, Bush’s administration, or Repuke candidates thus far.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amO.Bigfoot: And don’t give excuses like the hybrid vehicle argument. This country could have been “less addicted” (hah! your president’s words) to oil if pressure had been put on american car makers by YOUR president and YOUR congress 6 years ago. Giving the argument that one flies on a commercial airliner to get to a talk is moronic. What other options has Bush and his cadre of crooks left the american people – train pehaps?? or maybe cruising to destinations?
Bigfoot: Sadly, your arguments are pathetically bogue and don’t hold water. Get yourself educated before making a blathering fool of yourself on these threads.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:52 ambut honestly i dont think any politicin left or right is going to do anything to change any weather pattern- thats all
Comment by tim
You are right about that. People talking about global warming isn’t going to do a damn thing. People working for a solution is all that is going to save this earth. I frequently ask troll posters if they are willing to risk the lives of their children and grandchildren that they are right and global warming doesn’t exist. They all say “yes”. That is truly frightening. Even if I was a conservative and bought their clap trap, I would still want us to do something about global warming because the consequences are not worth it if the experts are right.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amOUR MESS is actually the GOP’s Mess, the GOP’s presidunce, and the GOP’s war! Let’s start attributing it all to those responsible. It’s ‘their mess’ and ‘their war’. Thank you GOP for your responsibility in tanking this country!
September 16th, 2007 at 10:54 amLet bigfoot shoot his mouth off all he wants; he’s a coward bent on sending his wife’s kids to die in the desert. He’s scared to death of a Gore run, Gore will destroy the GOP for all time. And, razzle, it’s far too late for bigfoot to be anything but a blathering fool. he never deals in anything but GOP lying points, never the truth. never.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:55 ambilbobaggins: You’re right. Talk is cheap and why not take this information seriously. What will it mean? Becoming conservative? Saving the planet for our ancestors perhaps? A small price to pay I’d say. Regardless of one’s views on the politics of global warming, the “real science” is there to support taking it very seriously. Anyone who does not is a total misanthrope and selfishly denying life to his ancestors at this point.
Many people I know have take the 7 point pledge and have made adjustments to their lifestyles. Anyone who doesn’t at this point is a selfish slob.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:56 amLet’s all heckle O.Bigfoot off the thread – AL GORE IN 08! AL GORE IN 08! AL GORE IN 08! AL GORE IN 08!
Obviously, Bigfoot has Gore envy and probably couldn’t even shine Gore’s shoes.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:57 amI do not deny global warming, but as a science student myself I am always skeptical.
Comment by A Conservative
So Conservative, are you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren that global warming doesn’t exist. If not, you better get on the bandwagon and make sure that we do something about it before it is too late. That day is rapidly approaching just like Peak Oil, which has already happened.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:06 am“Gore being a “one issue candidate†is so amazingly far from the truth that I question not only your level of intelligence but your sanity as well. There are plenty of good shrinks out there, friend.
Al Gore’s notoriety is “worldwide†and he is a hundred times more respected by the international community that Bush is right now as president.
O.Bigfoot: Why are the Repukes so afraid of Gore??? It’s because the man has credibility, that’s why – something woefully absent from any member of the GOP, Bush’s administration, or Repuke candidates thus far.
Comment by razzle — September 16, 2007 @ 10:50 am”
I don’t think you read correctly. When it was suggested that Al Gore be drafted to run for prez, I replied with “Please do!” Does that indicate fear to you? If so, may I suggest a good dictionary?
Al Gore has made himself a one issue candidate through his own actions on the global warming front. No one but bleeding heart libs remember anything else about him. Gore has become the front man cheerleader for the global warming crackpots who tell us we all need to cut back on our decadent lifestyles…well, everyone but him anyways.
As for Gore’s worldwide notariety…well, my friend, all the respect in the world won’t get him elected prez of these here United States of America. He needs to get the vote of citizens of the United States. The rest of the world doesn’t count, either in the popular vote, nor the electoral college.
My arguments may be “pathetically bogue” to you, it doesn’t matter to me. I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. I am just here to present the fact that there is great opposition to the claptrap presented by kook left ideologues such as yourself. Two terms of G. W. Bush is proof enough of that.
As for Al Gore running for prez, I will close by quoting the Democrats previous wiz-kid next President, John Kerry-Heinz:
“Bring it on!”
September 16th, 2007 at 11:12 amThere was an interesting article with a picture slide show that painted a picture of what major cities around this country would look like by 2030 once the sea levels rise from the polar caps melting. It was interesting.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:14 amhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/TenWays/story?id=3602227&page=1
Scroll down just a little.
“PHOTOS: What Global Warming Looks Like”
“Let bigfoot shoot his mouth off all he wants; he’s a coward bent on sending his wife’s kids to die in the desert. He’s scared to death of a Gore run, Gore will destroy the GOP for all time. And, razzle, it’s far too late for bigfoot to be anything but a blathering fool. he never deals in anything but GOP lying points, never the truth. never.
Comment by arnold — September 16, 2007 @ 10:55 am”
I am complemented by the fact that so many of you devote your entire posts to lil’ ole’ me!
In the meantime, I suggest you all learn to read, because for all the information I have posted about myself and my family, you are all at best remarkably selective, and at worst, remarkably ignorant, in your supposed knowledge of my life.
I will state this, and please quote me on it: “Entering the United States Military is an honorable service to our country, period.”
Do I support my wife’s boy’s entrance in the military academy? Hell yes! I have also stated repeatedly that his grandparents are the ones who are paying for it, as it’s the same academy his grandfather attended.
Military service in their family goes back to to the Spanish Conquest of what is now New Mexico.
Onate is in their family tree. Look that one up.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:29 amHey Bigpoot, the Slush Puppy stand at the State Fair called, they’re out of strawberry syrup and ice.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amHate to interrupt your on-line class, but can you take care of this?
Onate is in their family tree. Look that one up.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Somehow, I’m not surprised.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:32 am“Military service in their family goes back to to the Spanish Conquest of what is now New Mexico.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Ah, a long, long line of murderers, enslavers and thieves…………….
September 16th, 2007 at 11:34 am“Hey Bigpoot, the Slush Puppy stand at the State Fair called, they’re out of strawberry syrup and ice.
Hate to interrupt your on-line class, but can you take care of this?
Comment by Sasquatch — September 16, 2007 @ 11:31 am”
Thanks for the tip, but sorry, can’t handle that one. Not in my product line, and out of my delivery area.
If they want a few cases of steaks, chicken, pork or seafood, I could arrange delivery, however. I have associates in the area. If the order is large enough, I will personally be on my way today, upon verified payment of same.
May I suggest the telepone directory? Perhaps under restaurant supplies?
September 16th, 2007 at 11:38 am“Military service in their family goes back to to the Spanish Conquest of what is now New Mexico.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Ah, a long, long line of murderers, enslavers and thieves…………….
Comment by Sasquatch — September 16, 2007 @ 11:34 am”
Why does Sasquatch hate the military?
September 16th, 2007 at 11:39 amYou’re the one who’s bragging about a heritage of hundreds of years of exploitation, execution and enslavement, Bigpoot.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:49 amHatred of the military is not the issue.
What the military is used for is the issue.
Now you support yet another military in the destruction of another culture, because you are afraid of running out of oil.
speaking of 9/11, Bill Maher went out of his way to insult about 2/3 of his primary audience – calling anyone who questions the administration’s official 9/11 theory a “lunatic.â€
Read through all of the comments and review all of the links in the message thread that follows this RAW STORY article if you have yet to comprehend the entire truth:
comment by ace
Ok, lets put the 9-11 thing to rest. To start with, lets see what we know, we know that a few islamic nut jobs flew planes at full throttle (500+mph) hitting the exact floors that the conspiracy theorists say were pre wired to explode/implode. Odd how the explosives didnt go off right away during that incredible heat or didnt cut any of the wires that were part of the explosives. Its also amazing that these ‘pilots’ who didnt know how to land were able to negociate thru the hot air currents and swirling winds around the building at 500 mph and hit the exact location of the explosives. Its also amazing that when the Bush administration went and proposed this plan that not one person stood up and said ‘no I cannot murder 50-100000 Americans in the Pentagon and World trade center’. Washington cant keep any secrets. No way could George Bush have pulled this off, because all we hear from the left is how dumb he is/was. Bin Laden was pissed that Clinton tried to lob a bomb at him, which is why he planned 911. What about the 1st WTC attack when Clinton was in office? Was that a Bush family plan. just give it up, ITS SOOO STUPID
September 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmYou know where Zooey’s at? She laughs hysterically when I tell her Tony Snow jokes — the one’s of him “still being alive†six months from now!
Comment by BARTLEBEE —
BARTLEBEE- should we celebrate when Elizabeth Edwards passes?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm“Do I support my wife’s boy’s entrance in the military academy? Hell yes! Comment by O. Bigfoot”
If there’s any justice in the world your stepson will go to Iraq, come home and educate you. assuming he isn’t snuck back into the country in a box and ignored by bush at his funeral.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:30 pm“I will close by quoting the Democrats previous wiz-kid next President, John Kerry-Heinz:
“Bring it on!â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot”
Wasn’t that your incompentent in chief just before our soldiers started dying is ever increasing numbers?
September 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmYou know where Zooey’s at? She laughs hysterically when I tell her Tony Snow jokes — the one’s of him “still being alive†six months from now!
Comment by BARTLEBEE —
BARTLEBEE- should we celebrate when Elizabeth Edwards passes?
Comment by Wayne — September 16, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Newsflash.
I didn’t write that.
Please don’t post bullsh!t comments and attribute them to me.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmNot true, in my experience as an atheist for over 40 years. I don’t know where that diatribe came from, but atheism is the opposite of a belief system,
Comment by arnold — September 16, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Which is in and of itself, a “belief system”.
See, you don’t believe God exists. Therefore, you “believe” there is no God.
That makes you to me, as superstituous as the religious crowd. You base your life on a system of “non-belief” which is in and of itself, belief.
Try asking questions, and stop telling everyone what the answers are, since you clearly don’t know them yourself.
No one knows. All we have are our senses and what we can extrapolate from them.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pmAn Aethist doesn’t know that there is no God, any more then a Christian knows there is.
At the end of the day, its all just belief.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:52 pmMaybe some day I’ll start a church. The Church of Bartlebee.
We won’t have many answers, but we’ll have some really good questions.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe Apostles Querys:
Why are we here?
September 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmWhy, does it matter?
What should we do?
Will it matter?
What happened to bring us into existence?
Will it happen again elsewhere?
Will we ever know if it does?
Who cares?
Comment by Sasquatch
And the eternal question: Why did this happen? Why Me?
The answer? Why not you, schmuck?
September 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSomebody has to experience this, eh?
September 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pm:)
#
Besides, the fix is in: Hillary Clinton has been the Democrat “heir apparent†for nearly 8 years.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 16, 2007 @ 10:43 am
September 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmNotice how some on the right have our candidate already picked out? This to me is very suspect.
It’s because the field of candidates on the right is so pitifully corrupt and pale they don’t want to talk about them…
September 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pmHuh, O Bigpoot still hasn’t showed up with my ice, guess he must have had to travel a little further to get it…..
September 16th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe trolls in here are the same ol’ NeoCon retreads that were spouting anti-progress talking points when I last checked in here about a month ago.
The melting of the arctic ice at such an alarming rate doesn’t phase the trolls at all. The fact that the melting is in large part attributable to human activity doesn’t phase them either.
Those getting rich from the global conglomerates, whose CEO’s and Boards of Directors are RESPONSIBLE for the spewing of greenhouse gases by their factories and their products, LOVE the trolls. And the trolls, desperate for love, NEED their love and approbation. Sad.
September 16th, 2007 at 8:52 pm