Comment by JoeCaribe — September 17, 2007 @ 10:36 pm

Wrong braniac.

Like I’ve been trying to drill into that thick cranium of yours for the last 2 days, I am NOT defending Greenspan and I am not defining his motives.

That is why I repeatedly wrote the words, I”M NOT DEFENDING HIM.

Clearly rockyroads concern for your reading comprehension skills was well warranted.

dub’ya don’t care about . . . people.

I drive a late model european import with no dents, or other deformaties that might flag a “gang” tat warning . . . pretty much I deserve a 1% tax break dub’ya.

Got pulled over last night for the fourth time this year. No tickets . . . just where is your insurance and registration.

Fine country we’re livin’ in.

Great comment. If only we had an administration that shared the values of the people they serve.

71% of Americans want to withdraw from Iraq.

66% of Americans want universal, single-payer, government-run healthcare. This is well to the left of what Hillary and Edwards have proposed. This is what only Kucinich has proposed.

Americans want much more spent on education and far less on the Pentagon. People don’t know that about $950 billion every year goes for military purposes.

The problem with the Democratic Party today is that dems are sheep to the feeding trough.

Any republicancan chant a party talking point and the dems are there.

My God . . .

The dems have an agenda . . .

Get us out of this war

Universal health care

Stop gang violence

Improve education

Lead. . . we’re begging for honest leadership.

We’ve got none.

“I’m saying taking Saddam out was essential,” he said. But he added that he was not implying that the war was an oil grab.

“No, no, no,” he said. Getting rid of Hussein achieved the purpose of “making certain that the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work, frankly, until we find other [energy supplies], which ultimately we will.”

Greenspan is saying the US has the perfect right to invade, occupy, and control Iraq’s (and anywhere in the Middle East) oil because it is such an essential resource. He says Saddam cannot be trusted—that it might lead to chaos.

This is what all neocons say. This is what PNAC, the Pentagon, and the White House say. This is what the enemies of Progressives say. Excuse me, but I still follow Kucinich, Nader, Saunders, Feingold, The Nation Magazine, Robert Fisk, Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Robert Scheer, Palast, Klare, Ray and George MCGovern, etc, etc.

If you think I am a right-wing troll—then YOU are the one with the thick skull. Yes, I got mad after you said that to me three times.

By responding to this nimrod, you only empower him.

Stop.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 17, 2007 @ 6:38 pm

But he’s NOT saying he is against it! That’s what you don’t seem to understand while trying to defend Greenscam/Lantos. He is not a defector but a criminal Republican stating the obvious. Don’t you understand the difference?

Wonder why you, such a stalwart and loyal progressive, would want to do that?

Comment by Keith — September 17, 2007 @ 3:06 pm

I never saw where he said he “was fine with that”. You’ll need to provide a link for that.

As for saying the war was ALL about oil, thats the worst, most damning thing he could have said publically about the Bush administration.

What a brilliant strategy.

Comment by Keith — September 17, 2007 @ 3:06 pm

Not really. Not that my ego was bothering me in the first place nimrod.

But it shouldn’t do much for your ego, considering it took you over a day to articulate such a simple, obvious and logical concept.

Of course, guys like you work from passion, not logic. To you its logical to shoot your own side in the foot by making an example out of each and every defector that comes your way, bearing support for your cause.

You’re a real political genius.

Don’t know your level of reading comprehension, but Greenspan did not say that “he is fine with that.”

That said, you’ve fairly well undermined your credibility with regard to any other argument that you may air.

Greenspan clearly said, “the war was about oil,” Bush is lacking any semblance of pragmatism, and that unlike Bush, Clinton, whatever you may think about him was a “thinker.” (implying, if not sharply stating, that dub’ya is not).

Since you said that I am a right-wing troll using various aliases, you have proven that YOU are the one incapable of comprehending. Go back to 7:56 PM in this thread (#153) and read everything with my name at the bottom. If you still think that I am a right-wing troll using aliases then you don’t have an elementary school comprehension level.

BTW, your extremely complicated concept was “don’t bash defectors, ’cause we need them”. There, does that make your ego feel better? I am so sorry I did not bow down to your wisdom at the very beginning.

I still don’t see much proof that Greenspan is a defector. He said he is voting Republican in 2008. He said the war is about the oil—but he is fine with that. That is just like many conservatives I have talked to. When I say Iraq is about taking their oil, they say “Great! We need it!”.

The Iraqi government may be failed, but at least today, they passed a law getting rid of Blackwater.

When the country we are allegedly defendiing and that can’t agree on anything agrees that they have seen the enemy and it is us, we need to go.

That fact is the elephant in the living room.

Unfortunately, the living room is crowded with elephants.

Vincente Fox says that Bush has the largest ego he has ever encountered. Coming from a man who has built a career on machismo, that speaks volumes.

Since Bush has never acomplished anything mirroring success in his life, his ego and lineage have served him well.

The drumbeat of Republican pols has been . . “the surge is working” . . . “dems support a failed policy that has been in place for the past four years” . . . ad nauseum.

No. Dems have not supported Bush’s failed policies for the past four years and the surge is clearly not working.

Dems must take aim at the elephants in the living room. Talking points:

Bush is an idiot.

The war is about oil.

The war is about occupation.

The war is not winnable by any standard.

Viet Nam did just fine when we got out. (Visit, it’s beautiful).

No American should sacrifice life or limb for an oil company.