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Chuck Norris’s ‘facts’ on Iraq: ‘Morale is up — way up!’

Chuck Norris, “six-time world professional karate champion, movie and TV star,” is visiting troops in Iraq. WorldNetDaily reports:

norrisiraq.gif Norris’ pastor, Todd DuBord, who is part of the traveling team that arrived last week, says Norris so far has seen more than 10,000 soldiers, “shaking hands with nearly every one!”

Norris said in an e-mail from Iraq two things have become very apparent as he has traveled from base to base: The “surge is working” and “morale is up — way up!” [...]

“It is so much safer and more relaxed, particularly in the Al Anbar province,” Norris said. “It is so much better than often conveyed by the liberal media.”

In a previous WorldNetDaily column, Chuck Norris wrote that evolution is “not real.”



111 Responses to “Chuck Norris’s ‘facts’ on Iraq: ‘Morale is up — way up!’”

  1. elmo says:

    Chuck is a Chickenhawk…

    Y’all Chickenhawks to Me – by Elmo (MP3)

    (If you have trouble with the link right click and “save target as”)


  2. Jake D. says:

    Regardless of “evolution” what if the “surge IS working” and “morale IS up — way up!”? Defeatocrats can’t let that happen, right?


  3. bobh says:

    anyone else that lives in Texas find it odd that hes practically the only one wearing a hat and boots anymore? hes a freak.


  4. Snidely Whiplash says:

    I thought Republicans refused to listen to “Hollywood types.” Right, Ronnie and Arnold?


  5. And Yet... says:

    “The surge is working! Morale is up! They’re showing me exactly what they want me to see!”……….


  6. Fan_of_Man says:

    YEAH TEXAS WALKER CHICKENSHIT! YOU TELL EM’!


  7. Fan_of_Man says:

    god that liberal media…. goddamn truth tellers!


  8. Jake D. says:

    Norris is not a chicken hawk. He joined the United States Air Force as an Air Policeman in 1958 and was sent to Osan Air Base, South Korea. It was in South Korea that Norris acquired the nickname Chuck and began his training in Tang Soo Do (tangsudo), an interest that would lead to black belts in that art and the founding of the Chun Kuk Do (”Universal Way”) form. When he returned to the U.S., he continued as an AP at March Air Force Base, California. Norris was honorably discharged in August of 1962.


  9. Guido, OBGYN, Lover says:

    Never heard of him.


  10. Ned says:

    that’s what we need – another fake cowboy telling us that everything is just swell in Iraq


  11. bobh says:

    fan you got owned by jake better say ten hail marys


  12. toasterhead says:

    Good for Chuck doing a USO tour. Too bad the best coverage they can get is WND.


  13. VerbalKint says:

    Chuck Norris is a hyper-compensator.


  14. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    “A week ago today, Gen. David H. Petraeus started his rounds on Capitol Hill, reporting that security in Iraq was improving to the point that a small number of troops could begin coming home by year’s end.

    But 10 days ago, his commanders in Baghdad began advertising for private contractors to work in combat-supply warehouses on U.S. bases throughout Iraq because half the soldiers who had been working in the warehouses were needed for patrols, combat and protection of U.S. forces.

    “With the increased insurgent activity, unit supply personnel must continue to pull force protection along with convoy escort and patrol duties,” according to a statement of work that accompanied the Sept. 7 request for bidders from Multi-National Force-Iraq.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601341.html?wpisrc=newsletter


  15. Don't Do It. says:

    You guys better not mess with Chuck Norris. The man in not a mere mortal.


  16. null and void says:

    I think he’s starting to believe his own press;
    “There is no such thing as evolution, only a list of species that Chuck Norris allows to live”.

    Tool.


  17. margaret says:

    I thought we weren’t supposed to care about what celebrities from Hollywood say? No?


  18. Damian says:

    Damn straight, #13. He eats razor blades and pisses rust. When he says morale is up, morale is afraid. Very afraid.


  19. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Whoo hoo – I knew I could get Chuck Norris on TP if I kept up the pressure.

    For my next campaign: Gilbert Gottfreid!


  20. bobh says:

    is morale like that zombie guy that wont die in one of chucks early movies?


  21. The Dogfather says:

    Well, at least Chuckie’s found SOME group of people who give a crap what he says or does — since nobody’s paying attention to his alleged acting “abilities” anymore (I mean, except for Conan O’Brien’s frequent parodies of him…).


  22. Jay Randal says:

    Chuck Norris needs to go to Iraq immediately to fight himself or shut-up his yapper > PERIOD.


  23. gummitch says:

    Oh, well, if Chuck Norris says it’s true, it must be true. After all, he played a Texas Ranger on the teevee.


  24. TheRepublicofStupidity says:

    It would appear that Chuck hasn’t evolved.


  25. Don't Do It. says:

    Chuck Norris could kill everyone in Iraq if he wanted to, and probably not break a sweat in doing so.


  26. TheRepublicofStupidity says:

    Gotcha.

    Comment by Tryon — September 17, 2007 @ 11:05 am

    Sorry, Tryon, but I simply don’t take anyone who insists evolution is real seriously. Chuchk met 10,000 soldiers and shook each one’s hand personally? Don’t believe it for a second.


  27. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Chuck is a Chickenhawk…

    Y’all Chickenhawks to Me – by Elmo (MP3)

    (If you have trouble with the link right click and “save target as”)

    Comment by elmo — September 17, 2007 @ 10:53 am

    So was John Wayne: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070526_memorializing_the_deadly_myth_of_john_wayne/


  28. Jay Randal says:

    Chuck Norris would try to kick some Iraqi guy in the head and instead would get shot dead by a sniper.


  29. tarazan says:

    All these groups touring Iraq have one thing in common…their astonishing ability to detect that things are working fast in Iraq,in day or two visit..and they all come to the same conclusion..in fact the same words:
    ‘Surge Is Working…’
    Norris claim it is better than what’s conveyed by ‘liberal media’.
    Norris knows better than that, as an actor that there is no such thing as liberal media in America.May be he saw some ‘Butt Kicking’ as an ex -Karate man . Few people owns it all.


  30. lefty says:

    He must mean the liberal media companies who are part of giant corporations who everyone knows are owned and operated by wild-eyed commie hippies.

    Right?


  31. TheRepublicofStupidity says:

    I have been reading and posting here for awhile now and I see extremely little slamming of the troops (usually isolated posts from the occasional nutcase here and there), and a great deal of support for them.

    Comment by missmolly — September 17, 2007 @ 11:01 am

    No doubt the troops’ morale would have soared to the heavens had they been allowed to read the trolls’ absolutely tasteless mocking of Pat Tillman’s death that took place here about a month and a half ago!

    Comment by TheRepublicofStupidity — September 17, 2007 @ 11:14 am


  32. dim wit says:

    I wouldn’t be offended if Chuck Norris decided to buy himself a nice “safe” house in the Al Anbar provence and move to Iraq permanently. Wouldn’t be offended at all.


  33. Pete Bogs says:

    that headlocked soldier looks like a child! shame on us for making fighters out of adolescents!!!


  34. Luis M says:

    Who would admit to Chuck Norris that morale is down? Maybe they’re afraid that he’ll roundhouse-kick anyone who complains.

    “It is so much safer and more relaxed, particularly in the Al Anbar province,” Norris said. “Compared to the 9th circle of Hell, which I usually visit for my morning workout. By the way, Saddam says hi”.


  35. Sharon says:

    It’s O.K. for a reich winged ass kisser to go to Iraq but not The speaker of the house Palosi,?…LOL Yah sure..And the reich winger’s keep yelling about the media being left leaning…Seem’s the reich will enlist any old worn out actor as long as they parott their ajenda……Gees, they realy don’t have anything to show for 7 year’s of bull shit’s bungeling……Blessings


  36. missmolly says:

    I thought we weren’t supposed to care about what celebrities from Hollywood say? No?

    Comment by margaret — September 17, 2007 @ 11:03 am

    ————————————————

    sarc/on

    Ah, you’re confused. There’s a difference between listening to a true patriot (who should always be listened to) and an unamerican, unpatriotic, nut-and-twig eating, tree-hugging, slanderous, smearing traitor (who should either be shot or incarcerated at Guantanamo). When you hear “Hollywood types”, that term only refers to the latter description.

    How can you tell the difference between the two? The patriot will be the one who says things like “liberal media”. The traitor says things like “no blood for oil”.

    sarc/off


  37. detroitsuperfly says:

    Well, If Chuck Norris says so, thats good enough for me!!

    What Chuck needs to understand, is that troop suicides are at their highest since Reagan. Yeah, that sounds like great morale. Anbar’s advances were put in place BEFORE the surge.

    Either Chuck is a liar, or he is stupid beyond words!


  38. detroitsuperfly says:

    Hey Chuck! Could it be that the high morale you saw was because the troops were meeting a movie star?

    Man, you can’t really be this dumb!


  39. bobh says:

    Al Anbar Sunni Ranger, New Pilot Episode TonighT!@


  40. Ichthus says:

    I wont knock Chuck for doing a USO tour for troop morale.

    But his buying into the liberal media myth is a bit kooky, as is the WND site for the most part.

    As far as knowing if the surge worked he would have to have been in Iraq BEFORE AND AFTER the surge.


  41. Don't Do It. says:

    Does everyone here hate Chuck Norris? And did you hate him last week? It’s funny.. He comes out saying that moral is doing alright, and suddenly you all hate the guy.


  42. Sean says:

    Ok… um seriously… who cares what Chunk Norris thinks? I mean, Chuck Norris facts are pretty funny… so now he is capable of determining whether or not a military strategy is working? C’mon.

    ~Sean


  43. squegeeboo says:

    Oh man, if I were you guys, I wouldn’t mock Chuck. He will find you all, and then you’ll pay.


  44. double**star says:

    WND publishes a weekly article under Norris’ byline. These articles are very conservative and promote traditional American values, and they are well written.

    Today’s article is “Is America a Christian nation?”

    You might want to read it before all those “knee” start jerking.

    An excerpt:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57679

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    John Adams, America’s second president and the same one who signed and sent the Treaty of Tripoli to the Senate, just one year later delivered these words in a military address Oct. 11, 1798, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    And to what religion is Adams referring? He gave us an answer when he wrote Thomas Jefferson June 28, 1813, “The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite. … And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were united.”
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    .


  45. Krazny says:

    WorldNetDaily is the forum. Nuff said.


  46. Brian in Kabul says:

    Oh man, if I were you guys, I wouldn’t mock Chuck. He will find you all, and then you’ll pay.
    Comment by squegeeboo — September 17, 2007 @ 11:28 am

    Just ask those kids in the Mountain Dew ad (or was it Dr Pepper?)


  47. Ben Franklin says:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    Well, no damn wonder that Bushco has shredded the Constitution, being immoral and unreligious people. The General Principles of Christianity have been totally rejected by George Bush and his crew of mass-murdering psychopaths.


  48. saneamerican says:

  49. Ichthus says:

    Remember when?

    “…the conservatives who coalesced around William F. Buckley’s National Review in 1955 associated executive power with liberal activism and viewed Congress as the conservative branch. In 1967 the right-wing intellectuals Russell Kirk and James McClellan praised the late Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, “Mr. Conservative,” for warning that an overly aggressive foreign policy threatened to “make the American President a virtual dictator.”

    Welcome to Orwell, where the Conservatives are now more Liberal than the Liberals or the Liberal media, and that goes for you too, Chuck.

    But hey, did anyone really think that Murdoch was not a Uber-Duper-Super- Liberal?


  50. barfly says:

    Oh man, if I were you guys, I wouldn’t mock Chuck. He will find you all, and then you’ll pay.

    Comment by squegeeboo

    I don’t know. He’s getting up there. I’d hate to see him try some fancy move, and suffer a broken hip.


  51. squegeeboo says:

    barfly
    I don’t know. He’s getting up there. I’d hate to see him try some fancy move, and suffer a broken hip.

    Is it worth risking it?


  52. Tobey Tall says:

    Ill bet moral is even higher now that the Blackwater Republican guard is leaving .

    1/ they were giving the military a harder job
    2/ Blackwater has shot and killed few troops by Accident
    3/ The troops are fed up with blackwater earninga $1000 a day and other perks


  53. barfly says:

    Is it worth risking it?

    Comment by squegeeboo

    It would be the end of his a acting carreer. Without the punches and kicks he’s an old Corey Haim.


  54. bobh says:

    if chuck steps into a mid hvy weight mma ring and comes out alive ill have respect for him again, like i did when i thought he was cool in the eighties and early nineties.


  55. Zooey says:

    Good morning, TPers.

    OT: The King has chosen Michael Mukasey as his new Attorney General.


  56. Ichthus says:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    Hardly, it was created for a secular people. Washington and many others were deists. Besides religion does not guarantee morals nor does it have a monopoly on them, as evidenced by the amount of corruption in the ‘conservative’ hypocrisy of today.


  57. bobh says:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    and a peopel that could lie to themselves….er there was slavery going on ….not very moral but highly religious if you read the bible youll see what i mean.


  58. Ichthus says:

    Oh man, if I were you guys, I wouldn’t mock Chuck. He will find you all, and then you’ll pay. Comment by squegeeboo

    Been watching too many TV commercials eh Squiggy?


  59. troqua says:

    I think Chuck should buy a summer home in Anbar with the proceeds from his latest infomercial. Help the local economy out and all that.


  60. barfly says:

    “as evidenced by the amount of corruption in the ‘conservative’ hypocrisy of today.”

    Comment by Ichthus

    You haven’t been keeping up.

    “Conservative hypocrisy” is now “conservative normalcy.”


  61. Don't Do It. says:

    Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks are legendary and mysterious. Legendary for obvious reasons, the “CNRHK” is mysterious because nobody has even seen one and lived to tell the story.


  62. TheToonguy says:

    Comment by double**star

    Looks like both you and Mr. Norris need to do a little more research. While Adams was a Unitarian, he and his colleagues (Jefferson, et. al) were deeply suspicious of a government sponsored religion because of what they saw in Europe and what they believed was government corrupting religion. The Tripoli treaty that Norris refers to clearly states:

    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion – as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, – and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).


  63. Ichthus says:

  64. Ichthus says:

    “Conservative hypocrisy” is now “conservative normalcy.”
    Comment by barfly — September 17, 2007

    I like to call it conservative statism =)


  65. oldtree says:

    Now you know why you don’t see chucky in anything but re runs. actors with dementia have some issues reading lines written for them


  66. truthfairy says:

    sad, this screen cowboy is living in his own fantasy land as usual, shaking hands is one thing, i’d be interested to see him last on the streets of baghdad as a real live soldier


  67. CWS says:

    T H E T R U T H A B O U T C H U C K N O R R I S

    http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/


  68. double**star says:

    Comment by TheToonguy — September 17, 2007 @ 11:44 am

    Exactly why should there be additional research? Believe the article says essentially what you said in your post – including quoting the treaty?

    What is it we – Mr. Norris and I – would conclude with additional research?


  69. bobh says:

    that christians constantly twist anyhting to make it look like the usa was founded solely for christians?


  70. Ichthus says:

    Comment by double**star — September 17, 2007

    Actually, Noah was a Chaldean.


  71. Ichthus says:

    In his, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” [1787-1788], John Adams wrote:

    “The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”


  72. missmolly says:

    Does everyone here hate Chuck Norris? And did you hate him last week? It’s funny.. He comes out saying that moral is doing alright, and suddenly you all hate the guy.

    Comment by Don’t Do It. — September 17, 2007 @ 11:26 am

    No, I don’t hate Chuck. He’s a great karate champion. I thought “Walker, Texas Ranger” was a bit campy and preachy, but I’ve seen worse.

    And he probably truly believes that morale is high. It’s just that his word goes against polls taken of the troops, columns written by the troops, etc. And that’s not just coming from the “liberal media” — even the Repubs acknowledge a morale problem with the troops. Furthermore, they are always trumpeting about how even the slightest criticism of the war is hurting the morale of the troops, so it must be quite fragile.


  73. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Comment by Ichthus — September 17, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

    Are you meaning to say that Adams denied that Jesus was talking to him as he signed the Constitution? I’m shocked.


  74. TheRepublicofStupidity says:

    Besides religion does not guarantee morals nor does it have a monopoly on them, as evidenced by the amount of corruption in the ‘conservative’ hypocrisy of today.

    Comment by Ichthus — September 17, 2007 @ 11:39 am

    Well said. I thought a lot of what’s in the Constitution came from John Locke’s work, and not the King James Bible.


  75. Sharon says:

    Back at ya Lady Z…Blessings



  76. BARTLEBEE says:

    Another closeted homosexual with a weapons fetish.


  77. ForTruth says:

    A “Chucktatorship” thats funny.


  78. Ichthus says:

    Are you meaning to say that Adams denied that Jesus was talking to him as he signed the Constitution? I’m shocked. Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 17, 2007

    I would not propose that I know what his internal views were. I see America a free and secular land. A melting pot.


  79. NoOneYouKnow says:

    Does anybody think that Chuck got to see anything the Pentagon’s propaganda people didn’t want him to see?
    Also, before anyone starts touting Jefferson on Christianity, you’d better check out Jefferson’s opinions on it. Here’s a hint: He recognized that organized Christianity and most Christians ignored the teachings of Jesus himself and instead focused on the superstitions and hypocrisies that Jesus condemned.


  80. BARTLEBEE says:

    Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.


  81. squegeeboo says:

    Ichthus
    Been watching too many TV commercials eh Squiggy?

    Only got a TV for movies. Don’t even get the antenna stations. Besides, everyone needs a little humor in their lives. Thats why you’ve got a funny bone.


  82. bitblt says:

    From…

    Comment by double**star — September 17, 2007 @ 11:29 am

    John Adams wrote:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    Comment by Ichthus — September 17, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

    John Adams wrote:

    it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”

    …moral and religious people…use of reason and the senses…

    Am I safe in assuming that you think these are contradictory statements even though they were written by the same man?

    If there’s a compelling reason for a non-believer to rely on “…use of reason and sense…” I’ve certainly missed it. To my way of thinking only “moral and religious people” will rely on the use of reason and senses. I’m certainly not calling non-believers lacking in mentally capacity, but why rely on “…use of reason and the senses…” when a bigger gun is so much quicker?

    What’s going to hold the nation together if not a common believe? What? What will replace the influence of Christianity?

    While what the Founders believed at the founding of the Nation is important, to me it is much more important what those who benefited from their efforts and what those who are entrusted with the future of the nation, believe in the here and now.

    So, what sort of people will be able to hold the Union together?

    If TP posts are example of “…use of reason and the senses…,” I don’t have much hope that the Union (USA) will survive.


  83. toasterhead says:

    ScootsMagoo gonna sue somebody


  84. FarkIT says:

    The great thing about Chuck is that he can believe it and leave when he wants.


  85. TheToonguy says:

    Well, the fact remains that I cannot find any evidence that Adams said or wrote the quotes that Chuck Norris used. However, these doccumented quotes of Adams seem to contradict them:

    “Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?”

    “God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world.”

    And I wish to highlight these words from the Treaty of Tripoli, which Adams not only signed, but did so with the additional statement: “Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof.”

    “The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”

    Do you sense a trend here? Let me spell it out for you. Adams from the very beginning was saying – “Keep your religion out of my government!”


  86. Boortz says:

    If Norris shook two hands a minute, every minute of the day, it would have taken him a little over three days to shake 10,000 hands! How long was he in Iraq? Methinks the pastor is not telling the truth!


  87. gdm says:

    Did Norris talk to the seven troops who wrote the NYT op-ed? I guess not. He went on the the dog and pony show usually reserved for right-wing politicians.

    I just threw out my ‘Delta Force” DVD.


  88. Kevin Good says:

    Trooper screening for the VIP greeting platoon.

    Trooper #1: Do you think the “surge is working” and “morale is up — way up!”?
    No sir, this sucks, these people hate our guts and I haven’t seen my kids in over a year.
    That’s OK. Report to the IED search and destroy platoon.

    Trooper #2 Do you think the “surge is working” and “morale is up — way up!”?
    Yes sir, Since I arrived in country two days ago the Green Zone mess hall, barracks and swimming pool have been great!
    Good. Report to the VIP greeting platoon and sew on these sergeant stripes.


  89. BlueArkansas says:

    F*cking Chuck Norris…


  90. bitblt says:

    Comment by TheToonguy — September 17, 2007 @ 12:53 pm

    Just so I’m clear…

    Exactly what would be the controlling influence for our government without the influence of Christianity?

    Since,…

    “The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”

    I assume you’re quoting yourself here.

    If what you say is correct, then what’s the controlling, binding, uniting influence that causes people to support the nation, that causes people to want to value their citizenship, and that causes people to obey the laws?

    Assuming you support the nation, value your citizenship, and obey the laws, why do you do it?

    I actually agree with your quote.
    But I’d express it thusly:
    “The United States is a nation for a Christian people.”

    Believe that’s the way it’s worked so far.
    I have no reason to think that any of the follow combinations will work:
    “The United States is a nation for Jewish|Muslim|Pagan|Secular people.”


  91. toasterhead says:

    Believe that’s the way it’s worked so far.
    I have no reason to think that any of the follow combinations will work:
    “The United States is a nation for Jewish|Muslim|Pagan|Secular people.”

    Comment by bitblt — September 17, 2007 @ 1:51 pm

    Why not? Are non-Christians unable to support their nation, value their citizenship, or obey the law without a Jesus telling them what to do? I’d love to see some proof of this.

    And if the U.S. was really held together by Christian values, as you claim, why don’t we have universal health care?


  92. bitblt says:

    Comment by toasterhead — September 17, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

    Why not? Are non-Christians unable to support their nation, value their citizenship, or obey the law without a Jesus telling them what to do? I’d love to see some proof of this.

    I believe non-Christians can do all the things you list. They can even participate in a marriage between a men and woman – another gift from God that seems to predate all religion. They can participate in a marriage even if they don’t believe in God.

    But my questions is, “Why do non-Christians support their nation, value their citizenship, and obey the law?”

    What influences, motivates, and causes them to do these things?

    And if the U.S. was really held together by Christian values, as you claim, why don’t we have universal health care?

    Though a good question it’s even more off topic than my posts. If you made the statement, “The U.S. is not a Christian nation because we don’t have universal health care,” I’d probably agree with you.

    The Bible uses the images of an “open hand” and of not harvesting 100% of the grain in a field when discussing benevolence. God’s people are instructed to be generous.

    The Bible also associates prosperity with righteousness. “Righteousness exalts a nation.” Seems highly probable to me that if the citizenry behaved in a way that honored the creator, much of the need for health care would decrease. We know that certain behaviors have certain health consequences.

    I think you’ll find that Christians are some of the most generous people on earth. Southern Evangelicals have been generous beyond belief in rebuilding the gulf coast.

    Colloquially you’ll often hear conservation Christians say, “God feeds the birds but he doesn’t kick it into their nests. “

    I think you’ve juxtaposed two things that aren’t really related but which probably could be if it were a Christian nation and not a nation for Christians.


  93. klaus says:

    Chuck would cry like a girl scout if learned they didn’t have any hair dye over there. What is he… a hundred and fifty years old?


  94. Insurgent-C says:

    Why do we want so badly to see or hear that the morale of our men and women in uniform serving in Iraq is low?? why do we want so badly to believe that if Chuck Norris says morale is “up – way up” that he is lying? It doesn’t make sense to me. High morale and being stuck fighting in the midst of a civil war brought about by the illegal occupation of a country based on the policies of a bunch of futhermucking lunatics are not mutually exclusive. Our military men and women are doing their jobs and most of them are willing to go above and beyond the call of duty with extended tours, multiple tours. Morale is what it is.

    If meeting Chuck Norris and getting to shake his hand lifts a soldier’s spirits just a little bit, then we should be thanking Chuck Norris! Let’s hope that soldier makes it home to watch her/his favorite Chuck Norris movie.

    What would really raise morale is seeing Chuck Norris kick the crap out of our sick, sick “war president.”


  95. Juan C says:

    Maybe Chuck should try that lock maneuver in Baghdad…


  96. squegeeboo says:

    BlueArkansas
    F*cking Chuck Norris…

    Ha, thats great


  97. Juan C says:

    Ha, thats great
    Comment by squegeeboo

    Yeah, I recognized the White Goodman line.


  98. Tundra says:

    Superman wears Chuck Norris Jammies


  99. Leftside Annie says:

    Oh, gag me. What a gigantic load of horsesh*t.


  100. TheToonguy says:

    Bitblt, you flatter me. I am highlighting a portion of the Treaty I qouted in comment 63. Here it is again:

    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion – as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, – and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).

    Just to be clear – this is the treaty that John Adams…

    “…hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof.”

    Those are his words, not mine.


  101. Com_n_sense says:

    I’d as soon take the word of a con-man as this kicked in the head to many times macho simpleton.

    May I suggest that if he is in so much favor of this policy that he put on a uniform and use his superior talent for hurting others to good use by joining the soldiers on their patrols.


  102. dbadass says:

    Screw Chuck Norris! What does Ted Nugent think?


  103. dbadass says:

    And screw Ted Nugent too? How does anything either think have any bearing on the situation?


  104. Another Chris says:

    Chuck Norris doesn’t have a chin, behind his beard is another fist.

    When the Bogeyman goes to bed at night he checks under his bed for Chuck Norris.


  105. dbadass says:

    Why so he can wipe his boogies on him?


  106. Tracy says:

    #3

    Comment by bobh — September 17, 2007 @ 10:54 am

    You don’t get out much do you?….at least in the South.


  107. Tracy says:

    #89

    Comment by gdm — September 17, 2007 @ 1:16 pm

    “Did Norris talk to the seven troops who wrote the NYT op-ed? I guess not.”

    You are right. He talked to a quite a few MORE than those seven particular troops who wrote in the NY Slimes.


  108. Wayne says:

    Chuck work with a lot of kids teaching them about personal responsibility, which is one way to solve a lot of social problems. Whats wrong with that?


  109. FactsOnly says:

    (repost)

    Ah yes, we should listen because a Western karate “champion” is such an authority on … what the heck exactly being a Western karate “champion” qualify you for?! Karate stands in Japanese for “empty hand”. Perheaps they should, in honour of Chuck, rename the Western version of it to “empty head”…

    Also being a world “champion” of karate is like being a winner of a Chinese yodeling competition or a Carribean tobogan racing tournament. No self-respecting Japanese karate master would be cought dead in the same room with that clown. And I do not mean the bousouzoku pretenders, the real masters, odds of whom being called “sensei” by a Westerner are astronomically unlikely. You should note that none of these masters ever take part in the “world” “championships”. Probably because they find the whole notion of calling life-time devotion to their religion/phillosophy/life-style/art of discipline/etc a “sport” disguisting beyond description. Many an aspiring Japanese karate student got kicked out of his master’s dojo for mere insinuating about his desire to “compete” in some sparring match with some goofy pretenders. Guys like Gichin Funakoshi believed that a karate master might use his skill against an opponent once in his life-time, when all other means of resolving a conflict fail (that is why courtesy and ways to avoid conflict are such prominent aspects of that phillosophy), and should it ever happen the fight will be to the death. Karate is no sport. There are no “matches” in real karate.

    But then again there is this whole Western instant gratification “I am kickin’ ass!” crap (which also has a lot of Japanese youth in its clutches today – to be fair) …

    It of course goes without saying that being a “karate master” and a Christian are pretty much mutually exclusive (never you mind a fundie like Chuck), as it is the Shinto phillosophy which is such an integral part of the true karate and permeates throughout all of its aspects.


  110. JustDad says:

    Get A Grip Guys!
    I bet you think Bob Hope was bad for America too.

    Can you not tell the difference between entertainment for
    the troops and politics?

    I have very agressive views about whether we should be doing what we
    are doing and have done in Iraq. But folks, I am very glad that my son
    had the opportunity to shake hands with him this past week.

    Its hard work over there. Its dangerous work over there. And it can also be tedious, boring and lonely. Chuck Norris did a good thing by making
    my son happy. Would I prefer my son to be home? Yes. Would my son
    prefer to be home? Yes. But that aint reality.

    Reality is, anything that makes life happy for our men and women over there is a blessing.

    Thanks Chuck for giving my son a moment of rest, relaxation and joy.
    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
    There is very little in what he does every day.



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