Comments on: Fallon denies conflict with Petraeus. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:45:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Clyaotn and I am a vet! http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081863 Clyaotn and I am a vet! Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:15:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081863 09/17/07 Countdown, at 6:00 pm (?) the Pentagon released a report that the violance in Iragi is at 2002 levels. Why isn't this discussed?? Apparently the general lied. 09/17/07 Countdown, at 6:00 pm (?) the Pentagon released a report that the violance in Iragi is at 2002 levels. Why isn’t this discussed??

Apparently the general lied.

]]> By: Carol Lam http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081632 Carol Lam Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:59:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081632 http://www.splcenter.org/ $12 billion stolen by neocon bremer? $2 Trillion stolen by Dov Zakheim? A billion taxdollars every few minutes to murder and destroy Iraq and our armed forces who do not have enough ammunition, armor, clean water or sanitary food and medical and other benefits to veterans being cut by bushco?.. Billions to Israel to destabilize the Middle East?. <strong>Senator Says <em>Troops</em> Want Congress To Cut Off War Funding </strong> Woah, this is interesting. Colorado Senator Ken Salazar -- who's taken a bunch of heat for backing toothless Iraq War measures -- is now flirting with the ultimate: Cutting off funding for the war. Even more interesting, guess who has been encouraging Salazar to pursue this option? <strong> While in Iraq over the weekend, Salazar said, some service men and women told him that they wanted Congress to cut off funding.</strong> Some soldiers want war funding cut off? But isn't advocating for that tantamount to being anti-troops, and aren't Congressional Dem leaders certain that such a measure would automatically be perceived that way? That's what we keep hearing, anyway. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/salazar_says_troops_want_congress_to_eye_cutting_off_war_funding.php http://www.splcenter.org/

$12 billion stolen by neocon bremer? $2 Trillion stolen by Dov Zakheim? A billion taxdollars every few minutes to murder and destroy Iraq and our armed forces who do not have enough ammunition, armor, clean water or sanitary food and medical and other benefits to veterans being cut by bushco?.. Billions to Israel to destabilize the Middle East?.

Senator Says Troops Want Congress To Cut Off War Funding

Woah, this is interesting. Colorado Senator Ken Salazar — who’s taken a bunch of heat for backing toothless Iraq War measures — is now flirting with the ultimate: Cutting off funding for the war.

Even more interesting, guess who has been encouraging Salazar to pursue this option?

While in Iraq over the weekend, Salazar said, some service men and women told him that they wanted Congress to cut off funding.

Some soldiers want war funding cut off? But isn’t advocating for that tantamount to being anti-troops, and aren’t Congressional Dem leaders certain that such a measure would automatically be perceived that way? That’s what we keep hearing, anyway.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/salazar_says_troops_want_congress_to_eye_cutting_off_war_funding.php

]]> By: mparker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081602 mparker Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:01:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081602 Fallon said. “We are where we want to be right now... Four years into the occupation of a country that never attacked the US and was not a threat, so that we can steal their oil and use their land to launch attacks against other nations and steal from them as well. ...How we got there is our business.” By lying, cherry picking and fabricating evidence, and denouncing as unpatriotic all who would have the truth be known. Fallon said. “We are where we want to be right now…

Four years into the occupation of a country that never attacked the US and was not a threat, so that we can steal their oil and use their land to launch attacks against other nations and steal from them as well.

…How we got there is our business.”

By lying, cherry picking and fabricating evidence, and denouncing as unpatriotic all who would have the truth be known.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081330 big papa Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:14:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081330 I give up... ...that's "DANG typo in post #127... ...time to go... I give up…

…that’s “DANG typo in post #127…

…time to go…

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081329 big papa Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:14:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081329 gang typo, that's "thought provoking" in post #126 gang typo, that’s “thought provoking” in post #126

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081328 big papa Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:13:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081328 Two very though provoking calls from C-Span viewers on Sun and Mon... ...on Sun a caller called in saying that he lives not far from a neighborhood... ...of "million dollar homes where retired Generals live"... ...in response to the Betraeus report the man said... ..."This general is a political animal, you don't get to be general without playing politics at somepoint during your career"... ..."These guys (generals) are going to retire to million dollar homes... ..."what are the average soldiers going to (come back to)?" ...Mon caller brags that he's in NC on a Marine base... ..."Guys are jumping all over each other to go over there (Iraq)"... ..."they're making a lot of money, coming back home and paying cash for new cars, downpayments on new homes"... ..."they want to get over there and kill Islamists, we're patriots"... ...It's a sad day in Amerikkka... Two very though provoking calls from C-Span viewers on Sun and Mon…

…on Sun a caller called in saying that he lives not far from a neighborhood…

…of “million dollar homes where retired Generals live”…

…in response to the Betraeus report the man said…

…”This general is a political animal, you don’t get to be general without playing politics at somepoint during your career”…

…”These guys (generals) are going to retire to million dollar homes…

…”what are the average soldiers going to (come back to)?”

…Mon caller brags that he’s in NC on a Marine base…

…”Guys are jumping all over each other to go over there (Iraq)”…

…”they’re making a lot of money, coming back home and paying cash for new cars, downpayments on new homes”…

…”they want to get over there and kill Islamists, we’re patriots”…

…It’s a sad day in Amerikkka…

]]> By: Bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081291 Bob Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081291 Unfortunately for Fallon and Petraeus, the American Public no longer wants our military in Iraq, serving as an oil company militia, and we're tired of footing the extravagant, graft-laden Pentagon, with their $20,000 night vision goggles, $300 billion F22, $300 billion F35, Osprey Tilt rotor aircraft, Centurion cannon, million-dollar smart bombs, and carrier task forces that cost half a billion per day to field. But body armor, sorry, can't seem to provide that. Not enough contractor profit in small-dollar SKUs. Classic War Inc. A lot of upper-level military brass seem to have a total disconnect about just how much money they can pile up and burn with their lavish logistics and high-tech toys. All for a 'win.' Currently, this 'military exercise' is ruining the U.S. economy...aside from all that 'collateral' damage of human lives and limbs. Just think how much better off this country would be if we just defended our own borders, and used all that WASTED cash to improve America. "Defense Dept.' my ass. Sorry general 'sir,' You don't GET to ignore that. Unfortunately for Fallon and Petraeus, the American Public no longer wants our military in Iraq, serving as an oil company militia, and we’re tired of footing the extravagant, graft-laden Pentagon, with their $20,000 night vision goggles, $300 billion F22, $300 billion F35, Osprey Tilt rotor aircraft, Centurion cannon, million-dollar smart bombs, and carrier task forces that cost half a billion per day to field.

But body armor, sorry, can’t seem to provide that. Not enough contractor profit in small-dollar SKUs. Classic War Inc.

A lot of upper-level military brass seem to have a total disconnect about just how much money they can pile up and burn with their lavish logistics and high-tech toys. All for a ‘win.’ Currently, this ‘military exercise’ is ruining the U.S. economy…aside from all that ‘collateral’ damage of human lives and limbs.

Just think how much better off this country would be if we just defended our own borders, and used all that WASTED cash to improve America. “Defense Dept.’ my ass.

Sorry general ’sir,’
You don’t GET to ignore that.

]]> By: theswan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081239 theswan Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:28:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081239 "We are where we want to be right now, and how we got there is not your business. " or something like that. What a statement from, an Admiral?? The arrogance is has a noticably bad oder. “We are where we want to be right now, and how we got there is not your business. ” or something like that.
What a statement from, an Admiral??
The arrogance is has a noticably bad oder.

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081209 Wilco Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:04:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081209 that having been said or written, this got enjoyable at the end. But I gotta cut and run. Later that having been said or written, this got enjoyable at the end.
But I gotta cut and run.
Later

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081208 Wilco Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:03:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081208 Dermot, at this point, I'm not trying to paint you into a corner. I'm trying to understand your POV. I still see justification for a military because of all the Big Bads out in the world. I want to be prepared. You're right, we have a lot to do with foreign aggression against us, whether in attitude or in act. And it would be great if that weren't the case. I just don't see the value in dissolving the military and just hoping no one ever attacks us again. Dermot, at this point, I’m not trying to paint you into a corner. I’m trying to understand your POV. I still see justification for a military because of all the Big Bads out in the world. I want to be prepared.
You’re right, we have a lot to do with foreign aggression against us, whether in attitude or in act. And it would be great if that weren’t the case. I just don’t see the value in dissolving the military and just hoping no one ever attacks us again.

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081196 Wilco Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:59:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081196 OK, you lost me, Dermot. I don't think you'd have an excuse if not for the handful of American backers. What about the other countries in Europe? They didn't attack Hitler. They didn't have it coming. So what if we were Poland? What if we were France? Would we have deserved tanks rolling down our streets? OK, you lost me, Dermot.
I don’t think you’d have an excuse if not for the handful of American backers.
What about the other countries in Europe?
They didn’t attack Hitler. They didn’t have it coming.
So what if we were Poland? What if we were France? Would we have deserved tanks rolling down our streets?

]]> By: Dermot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081189 Dermot Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:57:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081189 Wilco You keep trying to paint me in a corner by getting me to say something absolute like "there's never a justification for self-defense". I'm not going to speak in absolutes. But more importantly, why won't you speak in specifics. You want to say having a standing army is justified. I ask you on what grounds? There have not been any grounds justifying a standing army in the last 50 years. Wilco

You keep trying to paint me in a corner by getting me to say something absolute like “there’s never a justification for self-defense”. I’m not going to speak in absolutes.

But more importantly, why won’t you speak in specifics.

You want to say having a standing army is justified.

I ask you on what grounds? There have not been any grounds justifying a standing army in the last 50 years.

]]> By: Dermot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081182 Dermot Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:53:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081182 <i>History is littered with power-hungry madmen who go to war for spoils and men whose goal is conquest</i> Yes and the US has a large percentage of them. First business goes into a country and attempts to takeover the resources through pay offs. If the powers won't play, our CIA eliminates them. If that doesn't work, we just join in an overthrow of the government. If that doesn't work, we invade, or we get the UN to put sanctions on the country, which causes millions to die. Besides, Hitler rose to power because he got money from the likes of Prescott Bush and the Harrimans to build his SS secret armies. That's what allowed him to take power. Again, it's the monied interests that start the wars, and then they get the military to go in and do the dirty work. Worry about that rather than someone attacking us for no reason. History is littered with power-hungry madmen who go to war for spoils and men whose goal is conquest

Yes and the US has a large percentage of them. First business goes into a country and attempts to takeover the resources through pay offs. If the powers won’t play, our CIA eliminates them. If that doesn’t work, we just join in an overthrow of the government. If that doesn’t work, we invade, or we get the UN to put sanctions on the country, which causes millions to die.

Besides, Hitler rose to power because he got money from the likes of Prescott Bush and the Harrimans to build his SS secret armies. That’s what allowed him to take power. Again, it’s the monied interests that start the wars, and then they get the military to go in and do the dirty work. Worry about that rather than someone attacking us for no reason.

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081179 Wilco Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:52:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081179 You lost me! So you think anyone who ever attacks us is going to be justified? You lost me!
So you think anyone who ever attacks us is going to be justified?

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081170 Wilco Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:49:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081170 well what about an attack like Hitler's in Europe, and his declaration of war against the US? Under your plan, would we not be vulnerable to such an attack? History is littered with power-hungry madmen who go to war for spoils and men whose goal is conquest. well what about an attack like Hitler’s in Europe, and his declaration of war against the US?
Under your plan, would we not be vulnerable to such an attack?
History is littered with power-hungry madmen who go to war for spoils and men whose goal is conquest.

]]> By: Dermot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081168 Dermot Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:48:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081168 Rather than fight back against an attacker, I would prefer handing over our political, business, and military leaders, and CIA operatives who started the problem in the first place. Give them to our 'enemy' and let them do with them as they will. Rather than fight back against an attacker, I would prefer handing over our political, business, and military leaders, and CIA operatives who started the problem in the first place. Give them to our ‘enemy’ and let them do with them as they will.

]]> By: Dermot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081163 Dermot Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:45:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081163 It would depend on the nature of the attack, who is doing the attacking, where? The only attack I can see is one like WTC, and there what you have is blowback. Revenge for all our aggression in the middle east in the name of business. I don't condone the WTC bombings, but I don't believe attacking another country in revenge has any value. It would depend on the nature of the attack, who is doing the attacking, where?

The only attack I can see is one like WTC, and there what you have is blowback. Revenge for all our aggression in the middle east in the name of business. I don’t condone the WTC bombings, but I don’t believe attacking another country in revenge has any value.

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081155 Wilco Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:43:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081155 I don't disagree with much of that. But say we are attacked. I assume you believe we should defend ourselves. How effective would we be, though, if we don't have a standing army, a large force of mobile, heavily trained troops? Or do you suggest that be done on the State level? Or...? I don’t disagree with much of that. But say we are attacked. I assume you believe we should defend ourselves. How effective would we be, though, if we don’t have a standing army, a large force of mobile, heavily trained troops?
Or do you suggest that be done on the State level?
Or…?

]]> By: Dermot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081147 Dermot Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:38:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081147 No I don't support a standing army. I don't think we need one. The only reason any country might want to attack us is because we attack them. If we would stop attacking other countries, most of the warfare in the world would end. That's why the founding fathers were against a standing army, because of what's happening to us now. A standing army begets wars. No I don’t support a standing army. I don’t think we need one. The only reason any country might want to attack us is because we attack them. If we would stop attacking other countries, most of the warfare in the world would end. That’s why the founding fathers were against a standing army, because of what’s happening to us now. A standing army begets wars.

]]> By: Wilco http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/comment-page-3/#comment-4081143 Wilco Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:36:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/fallon-denies-conflict-with-petraeus/#comment-4081143 Dermot, I don't support wars of aggression. I'm trying to understand your position. At once you state the founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew we had a standing army, then lament their pending dropping levels. So, do you support a standing army or no? Dermot, I don’t support wars of aggression.
I’m trying to understand your position. At once you state the founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew we had a standing army, then lament their pending dropping levels.
So, do you support a standing army or no?

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