Comments on: McCain Falsely Claims Jones Report Doesn’t Say Political Reconciliation Is ‘Key’ To Progress In Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:48:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: PaulD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-4082313 PaulD Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:08:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4082313 Here is virtually the entire segment on Meet The Press with Kerry and McCain - VIDEO http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=fc90713d-4bba-4831-b134-4dd9dcf6a76d and here is the last 5 or 6 minutes of it - http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=f6af7092-eec3-4db3-9004-07fcefacf979 Here is virtually the entire segment on Meet The Press with Kerry and McCain -

VIDEO
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=fc90713d-4bba-4831-b134-4dd9dcf6a76d

and here is the last 5 or 6 minutes of it -
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=f6af7092-eec3-4db3-9004-07fcefacf979

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-4081159 WC Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:44:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4081159 Ummmm...I don't see the contradiction between McCain and Jones... Russert: <em>(Jones is saying)...you cannot have security…unless you have political reconciliation.</em> McCain: <em>What he’s saying is we have to have now political progress. </em> Jones: <em>"Political reconciliation is the key to ending sectarian violence in Iraq" and “reconciliation” is “more critical”... </em> If anything, McCain didn't contradict Jones, he contradicted himself (and Tim) by essentially saying that Jones didn't say we needed political reconciliation, and then saying Jones said we needed political reconciliation. Ummmm…I don’t see the contradiction between McCain and Jones…

Russert: (Jones is saying)…you cannot have security…unless you have political reconciliation.

McCain: What he’s saying is we have to have now political progress.

Jones: “Political reconciliation is the key to ending sectarian violence in Iraq” and “reconciliation” is “more critical”…

If anything, McCain didn’t contradict Jones, he contradicted himself (and Tim) by essentially saying that Jones didn’t say we needed political reconciliation, and then saying Jones said we needed political reconciliation.

]]> By: The Shadow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-4080926 The Shadow Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:14:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080926 McCain is lying through his teeth. He knows exactly what the report said, but he's got his head so far up Dubyas butt he can't tell the truth anymore. McCain is lying through his teeth. He knows exactly what the report said, but he’s got his head so far up Dubyas butt he can’t tell the truth anymore.

]]> By: Iraqui http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-4080636 Iraqui Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:55:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080636 McCain has blood on his hands. . . the blood of the Iraquis that he used as tools to prove his agenda. McCain has blood on his hands. . . the blood of the Iraquis that he used as tools to prove his agenda.

]]> By: rockyroad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-4080623 rockyroad Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:48:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080623 Why didn't Russert call out McCain on his stroll through the Baghdad market? The shop owners that spoke to McCain's folks were subsequently murdered, he had high-powered security surrounding him and gunned helicopters overhead, all the while touting the great security and progress? This is nuts. Call McCain out. He's a posturing liar. Why didn’t Russert call out McCain on his stroll through the Baghdad market? The shop owners that spoke to McCain’s folks were subsequently murdered, he had high-powered security surrounding him and gunned helicopters overhead, all the while touting the great security and progress? This is nuts.

Call McCain out. He’s a posturing liar.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080609 Krazny Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080609 Frankly Roger, the Iraqi's don't seem that interested in Freedom and Democracy. They don't think like us, and aren't us. They don't have a history of freedom and rebellion. The question that should be asked, can Iraq consider political reconciliation with the presence of thousands of armed foreign troops? And can they make political progress, if the oil revenue is distributed to US companies, instead of the Iraqi people? Frankly Roger, the Iraqi’s don’t seem that interested in Freedom and Democracy. They don’t think like us, and aren’t us. They don’t have a history of freedom and rebellion. The question that should be asked, can Iraq consider political reconciliation with the presence of thousands of armed foreign troops? And can they make political progress, if the oil revenue is distributed to US companies, instead of the Iraqi people?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080606 Marie Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:38:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080606 Comment by Roger_Roger — September 17, 2007 @ 3:29 pm Do you honestly think that AQI will take over Iraq if we were to leave? The AQI that has been targeted by Sunni and Shiite as well as Kurds? The AQ that makes up a single-digit percentage of the terrorists in Iraq? Iraq will likely NEVER have a democratic government - at least as we know it - because ther culture, religion and customs won't allow it - something GW and his friends might have investigated before invading. But Iraq may form some kind of federation, or other kind of government that can work within the world - but it can't be imposed on them. They'll have to figure it out themselves. Our being there simply inflames those who want us (infidels) out of their land. Chaos will surely reign when we leave - but it reigns now - we have provided aid and instruction -- it's time to go home. Comment by Roger_Roger — September 17, 2007 @ 3:29 pm

Do you honestly think that AQI will take over Iraq if we were to leave?
The AQI that has been targeted by Sunni and Shiite as well as Kurds?
The AQ that makes up a single-digit percentage of the terrorists in Iraq? Iraq will likely NEVER have a democratic government – at least as we know it – because ther culture, religion and customs won’t allow it – something GW and his friends might have investigated before invading. But Iraq may form some kind of federation, or other kind of government that can work within the world – but it can’t be imposed on them. They’ll have to figure it out themselves. Our being there simply inflames those who want us (infidels) out of their land. Chaos will surely reign when we leave – but it reigns now – we have provided aid and instruction — it’s time to go home.

]]> By: Bobwurst http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080605 Bobwurst Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:38:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080605 "the idea of any ‘liberal’ calling anyone else a flip-flopper after the Kerry incident is a bit ridiculous. Comment by Don't Do It. " You have it backwards. the idea of any con changing his or her positon after the "kerry incident" and not expecting to be hammered is what is ridiculous. I guess repbuclicans don't flipflop, they change the past. “the idea of any ‘liberal’ calling anyone else a flip-flopper after the Kerry incident is a bit ridiculous.

Comment by Don’t Do It. ”

You have it backwards. the idea of any con changing his or her positon after the “kerry incident” and not expecting to be hammered is what is ridiculous. I guess repbuclicans don’t flipflop, they change the past.

]]> By: cha cha cha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080597 cha cha cha Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:35:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080597 "Are they going to let the Iraqis form freedom and democracy if we just left them? Comment by Roger_Roger — September 17, 2007" the same could be said about the saudi gov't. “Are they going to let the Iraqis form freedom and democracy if we just left them?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 17, 2007″

the same could be said about the saudi gov’t.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080590 TripMaster Monkey Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:32:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080590 Roger_Rhetoric sez: <blockquote><em>AQ was responsible for over 30% of all deaths in August afterall.</em></blockquote> Link, please. Roger_Rhetoric sez:

AQ was responsible for over 30% of all deaths in August afterall.

Link, please.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080589 Marie Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:32:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080589 John Kerry did a fairly remarkable job in deflating McCain's tired and inaccurate filibuster of the interview. John Kerry did a fairly remarkable job in deflating McCain’s tired and inaccurate filibuster of the interview.

]]> By: Roger_Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080582 Roger_Roger Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:29:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080582 Do you honestly think politcal reconciliation is possible if we declare defeat and leave Iraq to AQ? AQ was responsible for over 30% of all deaths in August afterall. Are they going to let the Iraqis form freedom and democracy if we just left them? Do you honestly think politcal reconciliation is possible if we declare defeat and leave Iraq to AQ? AQ was responsible for over 30% of all deaths in August afterall. Are they going to let the Iraqis form freedom and democracy if we just left them?

]]> By: wags http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080548 wags Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:14:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080548 <blockquote>What he’s saying is we have to have now political progress; and he, like all of us, are very frustrated by the lack of political progress, that <strong>the Maliki government has not done the things we want them to do.</strong></blockquote> This is a heretofore overlooked part of the statement. What exactly does McCain and the Bush administration want them to do? Oh yes, submit fealty to the US and give up the oil.

What he’s saying is we have to have now political progress; and he, like all of us, are very frustrated by the lack of political progress, that the Maliki government has not done the things we want them to do.

This is a heretofore overlooked part of the statement. What exactly does McCain and the Bush administration want them to do? Oh yes, submit fealty to the US and give up the oil.

]]> By: Ichthus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080545 Ichthus Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:12:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080545 But still, regardless of any clock cleaning, the idea of any ‘liberal’ calling anyone else a flip-flopper after the Kerry incident is a bit ridiculous. -Dont do it You mean after the, "Read my lips - no-new taxes!" the idea of any 'Conpervative' calling anyone else a flip-flopper is ridiculous. It surely didn't stop Rove and crew from doing so in 2004 now did it? But still, regardless of any clock cleaning, the idea of any ‘liberal’ calling anyone else a flip-flopper after the Kerry incident is a bit ridiculous. -Dont do it

You mean after the, “Read my lips – no-new taxes!” the idea of any ‘Conpervative’ calling anyone else a flip-flopper is ridiculous.

It surely didn’t stop Rove and crew from doing so in 2004 now did it?

]]> By: Tom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080536 Tom Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:10:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080536 <em>That’s a pretty long post about nothing for someone who wants to discuss the present day post.</em> If I incorrectly tarred you with the 'right' label, I apologize. Mine was a post designed to bring present day into the picture. With the issues facing this country, talking about '04 seems a little silly IMHO. It may fit this post concerning McCain, but McCain is just a loser anyway. He will not be the candidate, and he will not make a blip in the polls. This country needs patriots willing to help us in the present day issues - not whether Kerry was a flip-flopper or not. After all, it is the present day issues which may or may not start WWIII. That’s a pretty long post about nothing for someone who wants to discuss the present day post.

If I incorrectly tarred you with the ‘right’ label, I apologize. Mine was a post designed to bring present day into the picture. With the issues facing this country, talking about ‘04 seems a little silly IMHO. It may fit this post concerning McCain, but McCain is just a loser anyway. He will not be the candidate, and he will not make a blip in the polls. This country needs patriots willing to help us in the present day issues – not whether Kerry was a flip-flopper or not. After all, it is the present day issues which may or may not start WWIII.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080517 toasterhead Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:03:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080517 <i>we all know senility is starting to hit John McCain hard. Combined with the devastating reality that his long-time dream of being POTUS is fast slipping away for ever, and its not hard to see why former Maverick John McCain is now nothing more than Crazy Liar John McCain. Comment by yowzer — September 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm</i> I think he's trying to capture the huge part of the Republican base that's feeling nostalgic for the "forgetful Reagan" years. we all know senility is starting to hit John McCain hard. Combined with the devastating reality that his long-time dream of being POTUS is fast slipping away for ever, and its not hard to see why former Maverick John McCain is now nothing more than Crazy Liar John McCain.

Comment by yowzer — September 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm

I think he’s trying to capture the huge part of the Republican base that’s feeling nostalgic for the “forgetful Reagan” years.

]]> By: Jackie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080512 Jackie Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:01:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080512 McCain is so far behind in the polls and has no money which makes him mad. He was upset and lying but what I noticed more is that he is sick really sick. During the hearings with General Petraeus, McCain's hand was shaking and during the MTP show he was hiding that hand. Now McCain has two things to be worried about one is the campaign and the other is his health. Even Fred Thompson looks like the medication isn't working and he might not make it. Now as for Rudy he's got it going on with the man/woman thing. Mitt is now trying to hide the headlines of a fellow Mormon who is charged with sex offences against a 14 year old along with many wives. Then Mitt has his fund raiser who has been molesting kids for years in his school. McCain is so far behind in the polls and has no money which makes him mad. He was upset and lying but what I noticed more is that he is sick really sick. During the hearings with General Petraeus, McCain’s hand was shaking and during the MTP show he was hiding that hand. Now McCain has two things to be worried about one is the campaign and the other is his health. Even Fred Thompson looks like the medication isn’t working and he might not make it. Now as for Rudy he’s got it going on with the man/woman thing. Mitt is now trying to hide the headlines of a fellow Mormon who is charged with sex offences against a 14 year old along with many wives. Then Mitt has his fund raiser who has been molesting kids for years in his school.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080511 Keith H. Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:00:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080511 The fact that John repeatedly lies isn't so much news as it is common knowledge. What's news is that he is still able to get some face time on these worthless talk shows. The fact that John repeatedly lies isn’t so much news as it is common knowledge.
What’s news is that he is still able to get some face time on these worthless talk shows.

]]> By: yowzer http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080509 yowzer Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:58:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080509 we all know senility is starting to hit John McCain hard. Combined with the devastating reality that his long-time dream of being POTUS is fast slipping away for ever, and its not hard to see why former Maverick John McCain is now nothing more than Crazy Liar John McCain. . we all know senility is starting to hit John McCain hard. Combined with the devastating reality that his long-time dream of being POTUS is fast slipping away for ever, and its not hard to see why former Maverick John McCain is now nothing more than Crazy Liar John McCain.
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]]> By: Don't Do It. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/comment-page-1/#comment-4080508 Don't Do It. Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:58:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/mccain-jones/#comment-4080508 <em>So we are still discussing ancient history? Rather than discuss the present day post, we have to go back in time? Distraction is a tool employed by those who do not have adequate facts at their disposal. It is used to obfuscate the topic at hand and move away from the discussion. It is no wonder the right is so scattered. They all seem to relish the past, and not the present day. I guess with the incredible successes Bush has brought to us, you would want to stay in the past. Folks lets try and focus on where this country is NOW, not then. BTW, Clinton is not President any longer - just so there is no misunderstanding. Comment by Tom — September 17, 2007 @ 2:52 pm</em> That's a pretty long post about nothing for someone who wants to discuss the present day post. When did I say I was supporting McCain, or that I am on the right? All I said is that it was stupid to call him a flip-flopper. Is '04 really ancient history? If I wanted to discuss the politics of the Dinosaurs, that would be ancient history perhaps. So we are still discussing ancient history? Rather than discuss the present day post, we have to go back in time? Distraction is a tool employed by those who do not have adequate facts at their disposal. It is used to obfuscate the topic at hand and move away from the discussion. It is no wonder the right is so scattered. They all seem to relish the past, and not the present day. I guess with the incredible successes Bush has brought to us, you would want to stay in the past. Folks lets try and focus on where this country is NOW, not then. BTW, Clinton is not President any longer – just so there is no misunderstanding.

Comment by Tom — September 17, 2007 @ 2:52 pm

That’s a pretty long post about nothing for someone who wants to discuss the present day post.

When did I say I was supporting McCain, or that I am on the right? All I said is that it was stupid to call him a flip-flopper. Is ‘04 really ancient history? If I wanted to discuss the politics of the Dinosaurs, that would be ancient history perhaps.

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