Comments on: U.S. turns up ‘anti-Shi’ite propaganda’ in Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:02:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082797 Badger Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:01:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082797 Sweet Savior is right. Listen carefully to press releases , and you'll hear the term "Al Qaeda LIKE attacks". Andrew Tighlman, a reporter for Stars and Stripes wrote a great article in Washington Monthly about Al Qaeda in Iraq. Google " the myth of AQI". from the article: How big, then, is AQI? The most persuasive estimate I've heard comes from Malcolm Nance, the author of The Terrorists of Iraq and a twenty-year intelligence veteran and Arabic speaker who has worked with military and intelligence units tracking al-Qaeda inside Iraq. He believes AQI includes about 850 full-time fighters, comprising 2 percent to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency. "Al-Qaeda in Iraq," according to Nance, "is a microscopic terrorist organization." Bush is choosing sides in the Iraqi Civil War. He's giving the Sunni Insurgents cash and weapons to not blow our troops up. Maliki just requested that "Blackwater Leave Iraq". What happens if the democratically elected Govt. of Iraq asks our troops to leave also??? Sweet Savior is right. Listen carefully to press releases , and you’ll hear the term “Al Qaeda LIKE attacks”.
Andrew Tighlman, a reporter for Stars and Stripes wrote a great article in Washington Monthly about Al Qaeda in Iraq. Google ” the myth of AQI”.

from the article:
How big, then, is AQI? The most persuasive estimate I’ve heard comes from Malcolm Nance, the author of The Terrorists of Iraq and a twenty-year intelligence veteran and Arabic speaker who has worked with military and intelligence units tracking al-Qaeda inside Iraq. He believes AQI includes about 850 full-time fighters, comprising 2 percent to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency. “Al-Qaeda in Iraq,” according to Nance, “is a microscopic terrorist organization.”

Bush is choosing sides in the Iraqi Civil War. He’s giving the Sunni Insurgents cash and weapons to not blow our troops up. Maliki just requested that “Blackwater Leave Iraq”. What happens if the democratically elected Govt. of Iraq asks our troops to leave also???

]]> By: the Sweet Saviour on a Stick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082761 the Sweet Saviour on a Stick Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:49:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082761 >There is a well-documented overuse > of the term “al-Qa’ida” to describe every > Sunni insurgent group, whatever their ideology. Oh the overuse goes even deeper than that.. its pretty much thrown out there to describe any sort of spectactular attack... I read an article about it somewhere I need to dig up... talking about how when pressed to substaniate these claims of al-queda they usually said something like "well it was al-queda style" etc.... Idiots like Ringo dont want to admit the insurgency is largely nationalists, probably 95 percent. And now we're cutting deals with them. Recent word is the sheik who shook bush's hand and later got taken out by an IED 60 yards from his heavily guarded compound ,likely by a fellow sunni, was getting a cool 75 million dollar bribe (er, aid package) from us... a year ago, these were the "terrorists" attacking us, now thier our "awakened allies".. funny how things change, huh? is ringo the only troll on this thread? >There is a well-documented overuse
> of the term “al-Qa’ida” to describe every
> Sunni insurgent group, whatever their ideology.

Oh the overuse goes even deeper than that.. its pretty much thrown out there to describe any sort of spectactular attack… I read an article about it somewhere I need to dig up… talking about how when pressed to substaniate these claims of al-queda they usually said something like “well it was al-queda style” etc….

Idiots like Ringo dont want to admit the insurgency is largely nationalists, probably 95 percent. And now we’re cutting deals with them. Recent word is the sheik who shook bush’s hand and later got taken out by an IED 60 yards from his heavily guarded compound ,likely by a fellow sunni, was getting a cool 75 million dollar bribe (er, aid package) from us… a year ago, these were the “terrorists” attacking us, now thier our “awakened allies”.. funny how things change, huh?

is ringo the only troll on this thread?

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082533 toasterhead Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:25:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082533 <i>How, exactly, are we supposed to induce Sunni Arabs (i.e., the Anbar tribes) to attack Sunni Arabs (i.e., al-Qaeda) by using anti Shiite Arab propaganda? Perhaps I’m missing the connection here. Anyone care to enlighten me? Comment by Jim — September 18, 2007 @ 3:11 pm</i> It's an old military tactic. "The enemy of my enemy's enemy is also my enemy, so if we arm our former enemies against our current enemy, it will embolden them to fight our future enemies." I think Sun Tzu wrote that. How, exactly, are we supposed to induce Sunni Arabs (i.e., the Anbar tribes) to attack Sunni Arabs (i.e., al-Qaeda) by using anti Shiite Arab propaganda? Perhaps I’m missing the connection here. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Comment by Jim — September 18, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

It’s an old military tactic. “The enemy of my enemy’s enemy is also my enemy, so if we arm our former enemies against our current enemy, it will embolden them to fight our future enemies.”

I think Sun Tzu wrote that.

]]> By: Jim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082524 Jim Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:21:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082524 Oh, I see now. After a vist to Robert Farley's post at American Prospect it seems TP's lead in into the quotation miscontextualizes and confuses the issue. C'mon TP, do better. Oh, I see now. After a vist to Robert Farley’s post at American Prospect it seems TP’s lead in into the quotation miscontextualizes and confuses the issue. C’mon TP, do better.

]]> By: Jim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082501 Jim Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:11:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082501 How, exactly, are we supposed to induce Sunni Arabs (i.e., the Anbar tribes) to attack Sunni Arabs (i.e., al-Qaeda) by using anti Shiite Arab propaganda? Perhaps I'm missing the connection here. Anyone care to enlighten me? How, exactly, are we supposed to induce Sunni Arabs (i.e., the Anbar tribes) to attack Sunni Arabs (i.e., al-Qaeda) by using anti Shiite Arab propaganda? Perhaps I’m missing the connection here. Anyone care to enlighten me?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082399 Marie Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:32:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082399 #1, GSD I agree - Bush is the anti-christ for believers of the world. We are fomenting the civil war, inserting ourselves into the age-old theocratic and political differences existing in Iraq. We are alienating one segment of the population -- the ones we initially supported -- we have made "friends" with warlords who were recently shooting at our forces -- we have armed those warlords and provided funding -- we are pushing the majority shiite population into closer alliance with Iran -- we are rattling sabers against Iran and Syria, while we provoke them into creating a scenario for a repeat of Gulf of Tonkin non-incident. The tribal leaders of Iraq are laughing up their sleeves at us and our foolishness, our ignorance of their history and culture; we make it easy for them to exploit us for their own self-serving purposes. #1, GSD
I agree – Bush is the anti-christ for believers of the world.
We are fomenting the civil war, inserting ourselves into the age-old theocratic and political differences existing in Iraq. We are alienating one segment of the population — the ones we initially supported — we have made “friends” with warlords who were recently shooting at our forces — we have armed those warlords and provided funding — we are pushing the majority shiite population into closer alliance with Iran — we are rattling sabers against Iran and Syria, while we provoke them into creating a scenario for a repeat of Gulf of Tonkin non-incident.
The tribal leaders of Iraq are laughing up their sleeves at us and our foolishness, our ignorance of their history and culture; we make it easy for them to exploit us for their own self-serving purposes.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082380 toasterhead Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:28:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082380 <i>Now the dems don’t want us to work with the Iraqi’s? Comment by Roger_Roger — September 18, 2007 @ 2:03 pm</i> "Manipulating with propaganda" is not the same as "working with." Now the dems don’t want us to work with the Iraqi’s?

Comment by Roger_Roger — September 18, 2007 @ 2:03 pm

“Manipulating with propaganda” is not the same as “working with.”

]]> By: Roger_Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082290 Roger_Roger Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:03:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082290 Now the dems don't want us to work with the Iraqi's? Now the dems don’t want us to work with the Iraqi’s?

]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082265 Ringo Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:50:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082265 ronjazz, Michael Totten is an independent journalist and blogger who reports from the middle-east. He has also written articles for Wall Street Journal, the Jerusalem Post, Beirut's Daily Star, Reason Magazine, the LA Weekly, Newsweek and others. His reports from Iraq are illuminating and are not written with any political ax to grind. Go ahead and read his blog, don't be afraid. ronjazz,

Michael Totten is an independent journalist and blogger who reports from the middle-east. He has also written articles for Wall Street Journal, the Jerusalem Post, Beirut’s Daily Star, Reason Magazine, the LA Weekly, Newsweek and others.

His reports from Iraq are illuminating and are not written with any political ax to grind.

Go ahead and read his blog, don’t be afraid.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082254 toasterhead Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082254 <i>Part one is here: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001514.html Comment by Ringo — September 18, 2007 @ 1:04 pm</i> Thanks for the link. I don't agree with his assertion that al-Qa'ida in Iraq is the main force we're fighting in Anbar. There is a well-documented overuse of the term "al-Qa'ida" to describe every Sunni insurgent group, whatever their ideology. The ISI is also a shameless self-promoter, so the CDs with "AQI" written all over them don't make them the main enemy. Part one is here: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001514.html

Comment by Ringo — September 18, 2007 @ 1:04 pm

Thanks for the link. I don’t agree with his assertion that al-Qa’ida in Iraq is the main force we’re fighting in Anbar. There is a well-documented overuse of the term “al-Qa’ida” to describe every Sunni insurgent group, whatever their ideology. The ISI is also a shameless self-promoter, so the CDs with “AQI” written all over them don’t make them the main enemy.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082252 Jay Randal Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082252 Bush has NO idea what he is doing in Iraq and the scary part is that he does NOT care either. Bush has NO idea what he is doing in Iraq and the scary part is that he does NOT care either.

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082249 ronjazz Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:42:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082249 who's michael totten, and why should we waste our time on him? who’s michael totten, and why should we waste our time on him?

]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082235 Ringo Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:37:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082235 Actually, Kerry had nothing to do with this matter. Comment by A Patriot Acting --------------------------------------------------- I never said he did. Actually, Kerry had nothing to do with this matter.
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I never said he did.

]]> By: A Patriot Acting http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082227 A Patriot Acting Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:35:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082227 Maybe Kerry should have called the kid a little jerk and joked that he'd just been drafted, huh Gringo? Actually, Kerry had nothing to do with this matter. He actually defended the student and said he'd answer his "important question" just before the campus police tasered him and carried him out. Maybe Kerry should have called the kid a little jerk and joked that he’d just been drafted, huh Gringo?
Actually, Kerry had nothing to do with this matter. He actually defended the student and said he’d answer his “important question” just before the campus police tasered him and carried him out.

]]> By: ∞Ω http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082211 ∞Ω Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:31:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082211 More importantly, though, what does that have to do with the topic “U.S. turns up ‘anti-Shi’ite propaganda’ in Iraq”? Comment by Chris L — September 18, 2007 @ 1:25 pm <em>Nothing; that's the whole point, they come here to distract. Plus, there is probably some Attention Defecit Disorder (ADD) mixed in.</em>  More importantly, though, what does that have to do with the topic “U.S. turns up ‘anti-Shi’ite propaganda’ in Iraq”?

Comment by Chris L — September 18, 2007 @ 1:25 pm

Nothing; that’s the whole point, they come here to distract.
Plus, there is probably some Attention Defecit Disorder (ADD) mixed in.

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]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082205 Ringo Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:29:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082205 I’m not seeing how this “challenges lefties”? Comment by Chris L ---------------------------------------- I was referring to my links at #8 in response to BARTLEBEE's comment, "Ringo actually thinks people read his links". I’m not seeing how this “challenges lefties”?
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I was referring to my links at #8 in response to BARTLEBEE’s comment, “Ringo actually thinks people read his links”.

]]> By: Chris L http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082185 Chris L Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:25:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082185 I’m well aware that Lefties rarely read anything that might challenge them. Comment by Ringo — September 18, 2007 @ 1:19 pm # I'm not seeing how this "challenges lefties"? Some dumbazz made a fool of himself at a Kerry speech and the police had to taser him. Whooptee doo! If McCain has a speech, and some idiot at the speech gets taken away by the police for being too disorderly, does that "challenge righties"? More importantly, though, what does that have to do with the topic "U.S. turns up ‘anti-Shi’ite propaganda’ in Iraq"? I’m well aware that Lefties rarely read anything that might challenge them.

Comment by Ringo — September 18, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
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I’m not seeing how this “challenges lefties”? Some dumbazz made a fool of himself at a Kerry speech and the police had to taser him. Whooptee doo! If McCain has a speech, and some idiot at the speech gets taken away by the police for being too disorderly, does that “challenge righties”? More importantly, though, what does that have to do with the topic “U.S. turns up ‘anti-Shi’ite propaganda’ in Iraq”?

]]> By: ∞Ω http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082175 ∞Ω Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:21:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082175 Well, atleast we still have the Kurds. (unless or until the Turks settle that score)  Well, atleast we still have the Kurds. (unless or until the Turks settle that score)

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]]> By: Mike http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082173 Mike Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:20:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082173 Not to worry Shiites, next week you'll get truckloads of arms and wheelbarrows full of freshly printed dollars from the whackey Merkins. Not to worry Shiites, next week you’ll get truckloads of arms and wheelbarrows full of freshly printed dollars from the whackey Merkins.

]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4082170 Ringo Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:19:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/18/us-turns-up-anti-shiite-propaganda-in-iraq/#comment-4082170 Ringo actually thinks people read his links. Comment by BARTLEBEE -------------------------------------------- I'm well aware that Lefties rarely read anything that might challenge them. Ringo actually thinks people read his links.

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I’m well aware that Lefties rarely read anything that might challenge them.

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