Comments on: Breaking: Senate rejects habeas legislation.

By: ripismoney

ripismoney — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:47:06 +0000

I am glad to see that my senators from Michigan did their jobs… It is a shame the rest of them couldn’t come through. I guess the Constitution is just a piece of paper to the government these days.

By: n8_glenn

n8_glenn — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:32:02 +0000

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man this kid is hillarious!!!

Yes, you are right, President Bush will do what the new god of the left is doing in Venezuela. Hugo Chavez is unwilling to go give up his power, so he is making up the Venezuelan constitution as he goes along.

I know that you left wing wackos, Bartlebee and others swear that Bush has re-written the constitution, yet it is Liberals who embrace monsters who have TRULY re-written their countries constitution to benefit themselves.

Anyway, thanks for the laugh. I am rolling on the floor with laghter with your crazed out comment that Bush will not give up the Presidency in Jan. 2009.

You left wing lunatics are good for one thing, to be laughed at.

and I love your, â€œIf Bush starts a war with Iranâ€¦â€ son, Iran alreayd started a war with the USA. They are killing our men and women in uniform in Iraq.

If anyone starts a war it is Iran on the USA, but I know, in your eyes all the ills of the world are either Bushâ€™s fault or the USAâ€™s fault.

how sad and truly pathetic.

Comment by yourfreedomofspeechendswheremyrightsbegin â€” September 19, 2007 @ 2:52 pm

Bwahahaha??? What kind of pompous, arrogant, ignorant clown are you anyway? Who the heck brought up hugo freaking chavez? Who likes that guy? Look, if you don’t realize that without habeus corpus, the bill of rights is meaningless, then what hope is there for you? The authorities can just grab you, label you an enemy combatant, (yes, it has happened to us citizens) and then lock you up and torture you forever, and what the hell are you gonna do about it if you don’t even have the right to a trial??? By the way, blathering on about how everyone who is not a butt kissing, bowtie wearing, lock step republican is a “lefty loon”, real classy. No, actually, we’re people with brains and hearts — instead of trust funds.

By: Quizmos

Quizmos — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:36:58 +0000

Remember, they each swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America. They have thieved it, trashed it, and are dancing on it even as our young give life and limb fighting for our right to keep it. Our troops run the risk of having no rights to come home to if you and I don’t act to keep our Constitution intact. What are you doing to support our troops? Have you even gone as far as replacing the worn magnetic “Support Our Troops” ribbon on your Escalade? How about a letter to your congressman letting him or her know what you think about losing your, and our troops’, right to Habeas Corpus. God Bless (and Wake) America!

By: questioneverything

questioneverything — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:19:02 +0000

“So who were the unamericans that opposed this?”

Lindsay Graham for one, Joe LIEberman for another. See above for the roll call vote link: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00340

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:21:15 +0000

Impeachment isn’t an option ?

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:15:58 +0000

posse comitas ,I believe ,no bill being offered to restore that ,just Nancy Pelosi saying no impeachment . Nancy ,wouldn’t it be a shame if as the first women speaker of the house and as a member of the majority party in both houses the American people percieved you as complicit in the assault against the constitution and the basic rights of all Americans ,because it’s shaping up that way .

By: Innocent Bystander

Innocent Bystander — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:51:55 +0000

Great strategy these Republicans have got going. Thwart the will of the majority of Americans by voting Bush before country. I wonder what scares them so much? The RNC threatening to release compromising photo’s if they don’t vote the Republican line? Whatever it is, they may frustrate our ability to get progressive legislation passed short-term, but they are proving to the American voter that they are consistently out-of-touch with the majority’s desire to get out of Iraq and start repairing the damage of 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

By: hellinabucket

hellinabucket — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:47 +0000

Thanks for the information null. I’ve always questioned the legality of Bush calling up the National Guard.

Where are the Democratic spines and where is the concern from the public?

By: null

null — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:42 +0000

Congress powers relating to the armed forces, from Article 1 of the Constitution:

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

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So, it looks like the Republicans in the Senate could really use a civics course. I have to fault the Democrats, though, because apparently Congress doesn’t have to pass a law to regulate deployments; it’s part of the Constitution.

Interestingly, it seems as if the President does not have the power to call up the National Guard – that’s reserved to Congress. Also, it seems as if having the president declare people “enemy combatants” is extra-constitutional as well.

By: hellinabucket

hellinabucket — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:46:20 +0000

BARTLEBEE, I have the same problem. I’ve been logging out to see updates and only logging in to comment. It has taken away the impulse postings. That has some pluses as well as minuses.

I’ll be posting less.

By: hellinabucket

hellinabucket — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:19:44 +0000

Thought the same thing freeman.

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:02:31 +0000

So if you meet a mercenary who was out of work after the fall of Pinochet’s Chile in your living room or New orleans , don’t forget to salute .

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:58:33 +0000

A sad day for Amerika .Provided to you by your elected representatives.

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:56:24 +0000

Blackwater just your friendly little mercenary army ,better paid and equipt than our own troops ,represented by the general counsel to the President and Kenneth Star , with a budget of billions located just out side Washington DC.
Maybe the brown shirts and arm bands are optional ,but Holy Joe .

By: impeachcheneythenbush

impeachcheneythenbush — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:50:16 +0000

Bart: â€œIf Bush starts a war with Iran, and declares martial law, he could suspend the electoral process and wield power into the next decade. I worry that Bush will not go queitly into the dark night, and will choose to take us with him.â€

Iâ€™m definitely NOT going to say that canâ€™t happen, but I donâ€™t think it will happen, if only because a significant percentage of the military would refuse to cooperate with that.

I know politically conservative West Point graduates who say they would never follow an order to turn military weapons on American citizens, period. Letâ€™s keep in mind that the military take an oath to protect the constitution, not protect the leader.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” September 19, 2007 @ 3:01 pm

Colonel, I sincerely hope you are right. But I remember Kent State. And with the proliferation of private security services like Blackwater, this administration may not have to necessarily depend on the military to back them up.

By: freeman

freeman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:49:27 +0000

Hey just another beautiful day in the weimar republic .
Without habeas corpus the protections offered by the US constitution are null and void for all practical purposes!The BASIC rights which generations of Americans have died to acquire and protect ,have been tossed aside by a margin of 6 votes from people who swore to protect these rights against all enemies ,foreign and domestic.
A government by of and for the corporations .The best money can buy !

By: hellinabucket

hellinabucket — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:21:30 +0000

Comment by yourfreedomofspeechendswheremyrightsbegin â€” September 19, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

Do you believe Bush would initiate armed conflict with Iran? Do you believe there is a Clear and Present danger from Iran?

You stated earlier that Iran is attacking us in Iraq. Could you provide proof that the govt. of Iran is attacking us?

I don’t speak for all here and don’t support all thoughts that enter but I do know that you lump all against your thought process as the bad guy. It waters down any real argument you may have.

By: gummitch

gummitch — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:16:58 +0000

And now it says 166 comments and there are 157. It’s possible that the counter is including comments that have been deleted; I have no way of knowing that number.

By: gummitch

gummitch — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:15:56 +0000

TP:

At the top of the page now, I see “165 comments”. No matter what I do to refresh, there are only 156 comments.

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:01:58 +0000

Bart: “If Bush starts a war with Iran, and declares martial law, he could suspend the electoral process and wield power into the next decade. I worry that Bush will not go queitly into the dark night, and will choose to take us with him.”

I’m definitely NOT going to say that can’t happen, but I don’t think it will happen, if only because a significant percentage of the military would refuse to cooperate with that.

I know politically conservative West Point graduates who say they would never follow an order to turn military weapons on American citizens, period. Let’s keep in mind that the military take an oath to protect the constitution, not protect the leader.