The FBI secretly taped telephone calls between Alaska oil contractor Bill Allen and Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) as part of a “public corruption sting.” The new revelation suggests that “the Justice Department was eyeing Stevens long before June, when the Republican senator first publicly acknowledged he was under scrutiny.”
They better have had a warrant.
~Sean
September 20th, 2007 at 10:58 pmWarrant? No warrant?
Hmmmm.....
September 20th, 2007 at 11:00 pmWho cares about warrants? Warrants are for wimps.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:02 pmGood point Sean. The way the Justice Department is run there could possibly be a "mistake" in the procedures that although there are serious laws broken Stevens will go scot-free on a technicality.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:02 pmI have a bad feeling about it, Sean.
Our institutions have gone a bit lax in their procedures since the admin seems to turn a blind eye to Constitutional protections.
This whole thing could be thrown out of court.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:03 pmWarrants - we don't need no stinkin' warrants!
September 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmThey better have had a warrant.
Comment by Sean — September 20, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
Hmmm... sure hope there SOME competent individuals still left in the DoJ...
September 20th, 2007 at 11:16 pmTRoS,
Yer funny.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:23 pmC'mon TP, get us some stats for Steven's record on wire-tapping!
September 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pmIs his phone a dump truck? Or is it a series of tubes?
September 20th, 2007 at 11:36 pmComment by Zooey — September 20, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Hi, Z... howzitgoin'?
September 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWarrants? We don't need no stinkin' warrants!
That is such a pre-9/11 mind set.
Plus, if you have nothing to hide....
/sarcasm off
September 20th, 2007 at 11:38 pmNot bad, TRos, cruisin' the 'net. How about you?
September 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmPoor Teddy. He's an easy target.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:46 pmHey, would you oil company fellers like to get some fat contracts?
I just need a few remodeling things for the ole homestead. Like another story or so...
Well, these congress folks should be careful what they vote for as it may bite them in the ass.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWasup Zooey!
>=))*>
September 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmHey, fish man. ;)
September 20th, 2007 at 11:53 pmNot bad, TRos, cruisin’ the ‘net. How about you?
Comment by Zooey — September 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
S'okay. Doin' some personal bookkeepin' 'n housekeepin'... gotsta clean uppin' after my dirty self!
New TP seems ta be workin' out okay, so far. Some Trollishness still finds it's way here, but I do enjoy a little Whack-A-Trollâ„¢ from time to time, so that's okay too! :-D!
I don't always post when I go thru the Zoo, but I usually check it out a couple of times every day, just so's ya know...
September 21st, 2007 at 12:07 amWell, these congress folks should be careful what they vote for as it may bite them in the ass.
Comment by Xisithrus — September 20, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
No sh*t???
Yes Sh*t!!!
September 21st, 2007 at 12:08 amWell, since common decency and respect for human rights is now deemed "pre-9/11 mind set", I propose we let the Abu Ghraib guards get their hands on Stevens.
Their sentences will be reduced if they can get "actionable intelligence" out of him. His confession, of course, will be admissible in court, his sentence irrevocable, his detention arbitrarily long, and he will have no right to Habeas Corpus.
After all, his corruption might jeopardise national security, and could help terrorists.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:09 amHey, fish man. ;)
Comment by Zooey
I wen to get a password for the Zoo but found out I gotta create a wordpress blog?
Ennyhooo, I was just reading some Timaeus/Critias and another fish man deluge thing [On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha;]
How are you doing?
September 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amNo sh*t??? Yes Sh*t!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
They probably forgot about that "if you have nothing to hide" talking point.
Heh.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amWell, since common decency and respect for human rights is now deemed “pre-9/11 mind setâ€, I propose we let the Abu Ghraib guards get their hands on Stevens. -Gregor Samsa
I wonder why the first WTC attack didn't "change everything"?
Whats up with that trolls?
September 21st, 2007 at 12:17 amWhats up with that trolls?
Comment by Xisithrus — September 21, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Well, oh, because... uh... er... Clinton!! Carter!! FDR!!
September 21st, 2007 at 12:18 amThe repukian warrant wire tap comes back to bite a repukian, serves them right....but hey, hope they did it legal with oversight, we progressives don't need to join the nazi's Christofascists. Not our style, we like good and legal, they like evil and illegal.
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 12:19 amWell, oh, because… uh… er… Clinton!! Carter!! FDR!!
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Heh.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:25 amHeh.
Comment by Xisithrus — September 21, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Hmmm... if Stevens doesn't give it up willingly, mebbe a leetle water boardin' might loosen his nasty old tongue up, and we're not referin' ta surfin' when we say waterboardin' :-D!!!
September 21st, 2007 at 12:26 amthey like evil and illegal.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — September 21, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Shi-ite!!! GOOPers like it in diapers, and in restroom stalls at the airport...
September 21st, 2007 at 12:28 amIs Jake on everyone's ignore list, cause it seems alot of ppl are ignoring Jake D Fake lately, and he is not posting all the time anymore, not with the other names he uses or anything, like he some bug or something...oh, yeah, he is, forgot.
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amEeeewwwoooohhh Republic I hate even the thought of an GOPer in the stall next to me....(gross old perverts), really bad mental image.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:31 amBuck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — September 21, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Much to Jake's detriment, apparently everyone figured out how the "Ignore List" actually worked. He kept shootin' offin' his mouf 'bout it.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:33 amI, too, have a bad feeling about this. I wouldn't put it past the Bush Crime Family to direct the FBI or some other investigating authority to purposely do something that will result in the charges being thrown out and Stevens walking away scott free.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amOk, guys there is this person that posts as Psycho President the last like 4 days or so. That is some funny stuff. Love the, "Pull my finger" sign off, with Bush liking fart jokes and all.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:37 amJust would like to tell Psycho President that you do a great Jon Stewart.
Shi-ite!!! GOOPers like it in diapers, and in restroom stalls at the airport…Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
They like the Astronut diaper version even better.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amASTRONAUT DIAPERS AS SWAG: Groups lobbying Congress often hand out swag, be it a personalized ... Roll Call's heard on the Hill: Also a Flotation Device? ...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/20/cnn-political-ticker-am-64/
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_30/hoh/20092-1.html
Or here...
September 21st, 2007 at 12:40 amOT but worth it. We have seen much ado from the trolls about HSU.
Well, lets see about Romneys HSU, Fabian:
September 21st, 2007 at 12:50 amRepublican Mitt Romney’s list of bundlers until recently included Alan Fabian, who was charged in a 23-count indictment last month alleging mail fraud, money laundering, bankruptcy fraud, perjury and obstruction of justice, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Baltimore. Fabian’s lawyer, David B. Irwin, has declined to comment about the merits of the case but told The Post last month: “We are hoping for an early resolution of the matter.â€
really bad mental image.
Comment by Buckie Boy — September 21, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Sorry.. hope ya didn't eat recently!
September 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amOT but worth it. We have seen much ado from the trolls about HSU.
Comment by Xisithrus — September 21, 2007 @ 12:50 am
I noticed that the Fabian story barely rated a yawn in Liberal MSM...
Trolls hafta go wit de Hsu story, mon... what else dey got? Hah!!!
September 21st, 2007 at 1:01 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 21, 2007 @ 12:07 am
I'm glad you stop by, TRoS. Don't forget to stop now and then. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 1:02 amDon’t forget to stop now and then. ;)
Comment by Zooey — September 21, 2007 @ 1:02 am
I check in wit youse guys ev'ry day... kiddin' ya not!
September 21st, 2007 at 1:05 amI wen to get a password for the Zoo but found out I gotta create a wordpress blog?
Comment by Xisithrus — September 21, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Doing well, school is busy. You don't need a wordpress blog, you need a wordpress log in password. It's confusing, because I think you go to the same place, but it will let you create just a log in account. Easy as pie. ;)
Come on by, we'd love to have you there.
September 21st, 2007 at 1:05 amI didn't see you there, TRoS.
Hell, I was gone all day. I didn't see ME there!
Better get to bed, it's almost Friday -- thank goodness.
See y'all soon!
September 21st, 2007 at 1:07 amComment by Zooey — September 21, 2007
Its Fried Day here Zooey, cheers!
September 21st, 2007 at 1:24 amCome on by, we’d love to have you there.
Comment by Zooey — September 21, 2007
I followed the links but didnt find a user only password creation. I'll look again. Thanks ZOo, hopefully I will see you there.
September 21st, 2007 at 1:27 amTrolls hafta go wit de Hsu story, mon… what else dey got? Hah!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 21, 2007
Heh.
September 21st, 2007 at 1:29 amGeez, guess it's time to roll up the sidewalks for the night, huh?
September 21st, 2007 at 1:50 amGeez, guess it’s time to roll up the sidewalks for the night, huh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I was of reading the http://www.bookforum.com/ site =)
September 21st, 2007 at 2:08 aman illegally tapped phone is not a get out of jail free card. at best, the phone conversations, and any evidence that results from them will be supressed.. if they have other evidence against stevens, the case will stand, regardless of whether the phone convos are allowed in or not...
plus, the motion to supress would be a matter of public record, which would probably end stevens carreer, at the very least..
September 21st, 2007 at 3:38 amTell me they had warrants.
It would be disappointing if they didn't, but who would be surprised with the current three ring circus we're witnessing.
September 21st, 2007 at 4:24 amWhy the hell would they need warrants? The don't seem to need warrants to eavesdrop on the rest of us poor slobs.
It doesn't matter...the absence of habeas corpus from our law means that quibbling about the legality of warrantless wiretapping is like making an argument about whether a hatch on a boat should be closed or open, while the entire bottom of the boat is missing.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:34 amwell, I guess some secret wiretaps are ok - the ones done on corrupt Republicants...
September 21st, 2007 at 8:37 amStevens' overt corruption was such an obvious problem for the GOP which is why they decided to wiretap him. He was doing serious damage to their image with his blatant illegal activities that they had to do something to squelch the laughter on the sidelines as well as get him out of their limelight. All I could see was one sick, cantankerous battle axe whose senile dementia was affecting his censoring area in his brain and who was "outing" the tactics of himself and his party quite handily. He could be the poster child for the 'contemporary mafioso' for goodness sakes.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:49 amHi Trip! You're right! When has a measly warrant stopped them? Besides, they have the defacto warrant which they could easily obtain since this guy's corruption is so legion. Why let something like a "legal warrant" stop them when it never has before?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:50 amBut you can bet that if they did not have warrants in this case, it will become another Repuke "dog and pony show" but this time americans will not be watching. We've "had enough" of the nonsensical chicanery of this GOP and white house to last us a lifetime.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:52 amwell, I guess some secret wiretaps are ok - the ones done on corrupt Republicants…
Comment by Pete Bogs — September 21, 2007 @ 8:37 am
As we have been saying here, everyone is fair game now, just glad to see the chickens come home to sh!t (roost) on the Repugs head, too, seeing that Teddy Boy voted for the illegal wiretapping and Haebeus Corpus.
Plus it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:53 amOfftopic: Jerry Weller (R-Ill.) retiring
September 21st, 2007 at 9:06 amhttp://rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/20095-1.html
They did all this and yet haven't done anything to Stevens. Seems like he would be in jail already if these phone calls amounted to anything. If he is guilty, the bastard should rot in a jail cell for sure. Currently, he is innocent until proven guilty in my book.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:57 amCurrently, he is innocent until proven guilty in my book.
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 21, 2007 @ 9:57 am
Just like Jefferson, right?
(BTW, I think he is as guilty as Teddy, but the same rules apply.)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:10 am>he is innocent until proven guilty in my book.
unless George "we know where the weapons are" Bush claims hes a terrorist, right?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmI wonder if he ever said something to effect of "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" on the senate floor before voting for the Patriot Act.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 am