Comments on: Fox’s goddamn hypocrisy. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: tenfingers http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4088226 tenfingers Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:47:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4088226 The way the censors cut Ray Romano was similar to Sally Field ... one bad word, several seconds of silence. You couldn't tell at all what he was talking about, but it was easy to fill in the blank when Sally was cut ... (something like) If women ruled the world, there would be no more g[cut] ... see, it's not hard to figure out. If the evidence suggests anything (which it <strong>doesn't</strong>), it is that they wanted Sally's comment to be heard, but that they had a problem airing the names of Deborah Heaton and Kelsey Grammer, or however you spell their names. This was a live broadcast with several seconds delay ... if any of you want surgically precise censorship, well you can just want. The censors would have done Sally Field a greater favor if they had cut the entire sentence, such an idiotic thing it was to say. The way the censors cut Ray Romano was similar to Sally Field … one bad word, several seconds of silence. You couldn’t tell at all what he was talking about, but it was easy to fill in the blank when Sally was cut … (something like) If women ruled the world, there would be no more g[cut] … see, it’s not hard to figure out.

If the evidence suggests anything (which it doesn’t), it is that they wanted Sally’s comment to be heard, but that they had a problem airing the names of Deborah Heaton and Kelsey Grammer, or however you spell their names. This was a live broadcast with several seconds delay … if any of you want surgically precise censorship, well you can just want.

The censors would have done Sally Field a greater favor if they had cut the entire sentence, such an idiotic thing it was to say.

]]> By: bsnipd http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4087089 bsnipd Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:46:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4087089 Is she refering to all mothers or just select ones? I am just wondering if she would include the ones I hear talking bitterly about the unfortunate other woman who had the misfortune to: wear a dress smaller than theirs, throw on a pair of sexy heels, change her hairstyle, bake a good dish at a potluck or so many other catty issues the worst being the failure to show up to coffee,martinis or what ever. I think having watched moms go just as ballistic as dads over juinor's playing time, sally's cheer tryout or the hapless teacher who suggested that her little angel lacked some social skills, that not much would be different in the world. Is she refering to all mothers or just select ones? I am just wondering if she would include the ones I hear talking bitterly about the unfortunate other woman who had the misfortune to: wear a dress smaller than theirs, throw on a pair of sexy heels, change her hairstyle, bake a good dish at a potluck or so many other catty issues the worst being the failure to show up to coffee,martinis or what ever. I think having watched moms go just as ballistic as dads over juinor’s playing time, sally’s cheer tryout or the hapless teacher who suggested that her little angel lacked some social skills, that not much would be different in the world.

]]> By: djreedps http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4086058 djreedps Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:26:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4086058 I hate Fox with a passion. However, I think that the censorship rules are different for Fox News which is a cable channel than for Fox entertainment channel, which is broadcast over the airwaves. I don't know whether the FCC specifically bans the use of "god-damned" on the airwaves, but it would make a better point if the video included clips of people saying "god-damned" on the Fox entertainment channel broadcast over the air. In any case, the fact that Fox completely cut away from Ms. Field's speech instead of just bleeping out the phrase "god-damned" through their 7 second delay shows that they were not just censoring that phrase to appease the FCC. I hate Fox with a passion. However, I think that the censorship rules are different for Fox News which is a cable channel than for Fox entertainment channel, which is broadcast over the airwaves. I don’t know whether the FCC specifically bans the use of “god-damned” on the airwaves, but it would make a better point if the video included clips of people saying “god-damned” on the Fox entertainment channel broadcast over the air.

In any case, the fact that Fox completely cut away from Ms. Field’s speech instead of just bleeping out the phrase “god-damned” through their 7 second delay shows that they were not just censoring that phrase to appease the FCC.

]]> By: jonswift http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085240 jonswift Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:46:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085240 I wrote about this back on Monday in my piece "Fox Guards the Hollywood Henhouse of Obscenity." http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/09/at-emmys-fox-guards-hollywood-henhouse.html I wrote about this back on Monday in my piece “Fox Guards the Hollywood Henhouse of Obscenity.”

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/09/at-emmys-fox-guards-hollywood-henhouse.html

]]> By: Uosdwis http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085207 Uosdwis Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:34:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085207 And if I'm not mistaken, Planet of the Apes ("god damn you all to hell!") was a 20th Century FOX movie! And if I’m not mistaken, Planet of the Apes (”god damn you all to hell!”) was a 20th Century FOX movie!

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085139 TripMaster Monkey Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:09:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085139 barfly sez: <blockquote><em>Bush’s poll numbers are too low. He’s not as profitable as showing reruns. Blame it on economics.</em></blockquote> Yup. The market has spoken. <b>^_^</b> barfly sez:

Bush’s poll numbers are too low. He’s not as profitable as showing reruns. Blame it on economics.

Yup. The market has spoken. ^_^

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085104 barfly Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:54:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085104 "ABC-TV decides not to air Bush’s news conference. is this fair?" Bush's poll numbers are too low. He's not as profitable as showing reruns. Blame it on economics. “ABC-TV decides not to air Bush’s news conference.

is this fair?”

Bush’s poll numbers are too low. He’s not as profitable as showing reruns. Blame it on economics.

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085057 Alejandro Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:38:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085057 Margaret Thatcher had children. Margaret Thatcher had children.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085017 Dave C Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:22:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085017 Let's cut to the chase here folks. The FCC is equally silent regarding the use of the words "god damn" on both Fox Entertainment and Fox News. It doesn't prevent either from using those words. Therefore the only difference between the two broadcasts shown on this clip is that Fox feels it's ok to use the terms "god damn" unless you're referring to something negative about GWB. Let’s cut to the chase here folks. The FCC is equally silent regarding the use of the words “god damn” on both Fox Entertainment and Fox News. It doesn’t prevent either from using those words. Therefore the only difference between the two broadcasts shown on this clip is that Fox feels it’s ok to use the terms “god damn” unless you’re referring to something negative about GWB.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085006 Dave C Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:17:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4085006 What does the FCC have to do with it? What does the FCC have to do with it?

]]> By: interestedlitigant http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084988 interestedlitigant Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:12:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084988 I'm starting to wonder about who writes these things. The broadcast was on FCC regulated broadcast channels. FOX News is not so. To combine them, is inductive sillyness. You can do better that that. I’m starting to wonder about who writes these things. The broadcast was on FCC regulated broadcast channels. FOX News is not so. To combine them, is inductive sillyness. You can do better that that.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084849 TripMaster Monkey Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084849 godawgs7 sez: <blockquote><em>I think this was already said, but Fox is on broadcast tv which is regulated by the FCC while Fox News is on Cable. That’s why broadcast channels have to censor movies while HBO can show soft-core porn. Take a deep breathe.</em></blockquote> First of all, I think the word you're looking for is "breath". Second, your glib explanation doesn't explain why FOX didn't just bleep the one ostensibly offensive word out, rather than censoring her entire point. godawgs7 sez:

I think this was already said, but Fox is on broadcast tv which is regulated by the FCC while Fox News is on Cable.

That’s why broadcast channels have to censor movies while HBO can show soft-core porn.

Take a deep breathe.

First of all, I think the word you’re looking for is “breath”.

Second, your glib explanation doesn’t explain why FOX didn’t just bleep the one ostensibly offensive word out, rather than censoring her entire point.

]]> By: TheToonGuy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084848 TheToonGuy Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084848 There is a big difference between Fox News and HBO. Additionally, Sally Fields' statement is mild compared to shows like Family Guy, Malcom in the Middle, Arrested Development and The Simpsons. There is a big difference between Fox News and HBO.

Additionally, Sally Fields’ statement is mild compared to shows like Family Guy, Malcom in the Middle, Arrested Development and The Simpsons.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084839 gummitch Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:12:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084839 <em>Mind you, as was stated on the previous thread, the FCC allows the networks to let the words “god damn” get on the air. There was no need to censor. Comment by Dave C — September 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am</em> If "goddamn" had been the real issue, Fox could have beeped it. Networks have had the technology to do that for decades. What's offensive is that they made an obviously political decision to chop the whole phrase, not just the "offensive" word. Mind you, as was stated on the previous thread, the FCC allows the networks to let the words “god damn” get on the air. There was no need to censor.

Comment by Dave C — September 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am

If “goddamn” had been the real issue, Fox could have beeped it. Networks have had the technology to do that for decades. What’s offensive is that they made an obviously political decision to chop the whole phrase, not just the “offensive” word.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084822 Dave C Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:05:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084822 Mind you, as was stated on the previous thread, the FCC allows the networks to let the words "god damn" get on the air. There was no need to censor. Mind you, as was stated on the previous thread, the FCC allows the networks to let the words “god damn” get on the air. There was no need to censor.

]]> By: LibertyLover http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084821 LibertyLover Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:04:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084821 You know. Fox kinda shot themselves in the foot on this one... I didn't watch the Emmys, but I've sure seen this clip about ten times... Way to go Fox! You know. Fox kinda shot themselves in the foot on this one… I didn’t watch the Emmys, but I’ve sure seen this clip about ten times…

Way to go Fox!

]]> By: Sean http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084814 Sean Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:59:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084814 #25 - That may be true. You can't blame us for jumping the gun a little bit on this one though, eh? ;-) I'll file this in the "MAYBE" mental database :-P. ~Sean #25 – That may be true. You can’t blame us for jumping the gun a little bit on this one though, eh? ;-) I’ll file this in the “MAYBE” mental database :-P.

~Sean

]]> By: Sean http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084809 Sean Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:57:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084809 Another tack on the wall. The good part is that YouTube exists, and people can see exactly what Fox censored out within seconds. It's impossible to censor anything now-a-days. Praise the internets :-). ~Sean Another tack on the wall. The good part is that YouTube exists, and people can see exactly what Fox censored out within seconds. It’s impossible to censor anything now-a-days. Praise the internets :-).

~Sean

]]> By: godawgs7 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084807 godawgs7 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:57:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084807 I think this was already said, but Fox is on broadcast tv which is regulated by the FCC while Fox News is on Cable. That's why broadcast channels have to censor movies while HBO can show soft-core porn. Take a deep breathe. I think this was already said, but Fox is on broadcast tv which is regulated by the FCC while Fox News is on Cable.

That’s why broadcast channels have to censor movies while HBO can show soft-core porn.

Take a deep breathe.

]]> By: PaulD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-4084800 PaulD Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:52:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/#comment-4084800 Combine this with the recent taser incident and you have a free speech crisis in just the past week. The other night on Chris Matthews they talked about free speech in our nation and whether it is being eroded. Very interesting/scary stuff: VIDEO - Hardball, Assault On Speech? http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=770a5ec0-d307-4b44-8358-953f121a3b79 Combine this with the recent taser incident and you have a free speech crisis in just the past week. The other night on Chris Matthews they talked about free speech in our nation and whether it is being eroded. Very interesting/scary stuff:

VIDEO – Hardball, Assault On Speech?
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=770a5ec0-d307-4b44-8358-953f121a3b79

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