Senators Who Forced Debate On MoveOn Ad Earlier Complained Of ‘Wasting Time On Empty Resolutions’
Senators Who Forced Debate On MoveOn Ad Earlier Complained Of ‘Wasting Time On Empty Resolutions’
Today, the Senate voted 72-25 to approve Sen. John Cornyn’s (R-TX) bill criticizing MoveOn.org’s Gen. David Petraeus ad in the New York Times. The “sense of the Senate” resolution “strongly” condemns the “personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus.”
Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) has now called for an investigation into “possible elections violations by the New York Times for selling an advertisement to the liberal group MoveOn.org at a reduced rate.”
Neither Cornyn’s resolution nor Davis’s investigation have any bearing on the course in Iraq. The senators who today voted for Cornyn’s bill have previously chastised the Senate for engaging in “a colossal waste of time” on “empty” and “meaningless resolutions.” Some examples:
On Iraq debates/resolutions:
“Mr. President, we have nearly finished this little exhibition, which was staged, I assume, for the benefit of a briefly amused press corps and in deference to political activists opposed to the war.” [Sen. John McCain, 7/18/07]
“We have just seen a procedure in the last 24 hours that was a colossal waste of time.” [Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), 7/18/07]
“I want an open and honest debate, and not political posturing. I was sent here to take action, not waste time on non-binding and empty resolutions.” [Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY), 2/23/07]
On the Gonzales vote of no confidence:
“[W]e ended up…spending our time on a meaningless resolution giving the president advice about who the attorney general ought to be.” [Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), 6/12/07]
“This is a very disappointing spectacle here today.” [Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS), 6/12/07]
On general partisanship:
“They’ve wasted the first seven months by being excessively partisan and creating unnecessary, in my view, disputes with a pretty robust minority of 49.” [Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), 7/25/07]
“The way that they have proceeded, I am not sure that you can count on anything getting done, even those things that look like a fairly certain bet.” [Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), 7/25/07]
Evidently, it’s not a partisan waste of time to condemn an advocacy group for a New York Times ad.
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WTF? Which Dems voted FOR this idiocy?
(It’s called Free Speech… or it used to be…)
September 20th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWhy are they doing this?
It’s called a “smoke screen”, meant to cover “one’s *ss”, while they try to “run the clock out” on this hideous nightmare known as “the Bush Admin”.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThis is the same group who feel that investigating the DoJ firings is partisan politics. The same group that filibusters everything regardless of what it is. The same group who “support the troops” while denying them time at home, and raises. What do you expect?
September 20th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe Repugnican Mantra: Do as we say, not as we do (or we’ll sich Foley and Lewis on you)!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:33 pm!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:33 pmTHANK YOU, TP!
…
Now you upset at your own party for bringing this bill up for vote? They do control the congress afterall. It is the controlling parties responsibility to get this stuff organized. While I agree with the Dem leadership, it amazes me you do not. Good luck I guess with your continued anti-troop efforts.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmMove Ons Ad was not disgusting… Bush commiting FRAUD by using FRAUDLANT yellow cake documents and blatantly lying to the American people … lies that led to the deaths of thousand apon thousands of people… THAT is disgusting…
A general that LIES to the American people and the Congress THAT is shameful… did Paetraus “betray America”? Not really… Did he betray his duty to defend the Constitution? Well that is not really what he is doing in Iraq is it? Did he LIE to the American people and BETRAY our trust? Absolutely… He betrayed our trust… and for what? His political views? His “loyalty” to the bushies? Is he a rightwing nutter? I dont know why his “facts” are so doctored Enron style… but the fact remains he lied… May Move On should have said General “LiedToUs” instead of BetrayedUs… Non the less the Senate are a bunch of cowards.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhat the Senate just did was encourage many of us to donate MORE money to Move On…
September 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmBaucus (D-MT)
September 20th, 2007 at 4:36 pmBayh (D-IN)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Salazar (D-CO)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
your right roger - dems should do as rthe repugs did and SHUT OUT REPUGS FROM THE CONGRESS ALLTOGETHER FROM NOW TILL the END OF TIME. F em.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:36 pmI honestly have given up here.
No matter the public outcry, it seems like our leaders in Washington have totally sold us out in slavish devotion to this war. Yes, many Democrats voted for the Boxer resolution, but there was no excuse for this vote even having to be voted upon, nor the ridiculous ‘agreement’ that forced the Boxer resolution and the Webb amendment to require 60 votes minimum. The Republicans are gaming votes, and the Democrats are tacitly allowing them to do this.
I give up. We’ve lost the Republic, because we don’t have anyone in power left who will actually fight for the public outcries against the idiocies that have been thrust upon us.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:37 pmi am very grateful for the 25 that voted their conscience,
September 20th, 2007 at 4:37 pmknowing what kind of stunt this was…
and can partly understand the inevitable reasoning that
the other Ds are going to come up with…
but this was another horrendous hypocritical low point
for the self-serving republicRATs who brought this up…
…
This cowardice of the democrats is exactly why I will NOT be voting for them next time…
September 20th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI would like to ask the senator who scripted this bill just what does it exactly accomplish?
September 20th, 2007 at 4:38 pmGood luck I guess with your continued anti-troop efforts.
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Comment by Roger_Roger — September 20, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
They are NOT anti-troop, and I’m so tired of hearing fools like you claim so. The US military is not the Boy Emperor’s personal play toy, nor is it meant to be a front for the Blackwater goon squads roaming Iraq q/out supervision or oversight.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmDo tell. When was the last time you voted for a Dem for national office? Was it even this century?
September 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmNow you upset at your own party for bringing this bill up for vote? They do control the congress afterall. It is the controlling parties responsibility to get this stuff organized. While I agree with the Dem leadership, it amazes me you do not. Good luck I guess with your continued anti-troop efforts.
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 20, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
1st off ; Harry Reid voted “nay” , so your statement about “Dem leadership” is just another lie from out your stupid mouth (no surprise there).
2nd Any criticism of 1 individual is not an indictment of an entire group ; it is the same nonsense you GOP/Chimpy rim licking douchebags claimed when your hero Chimpy was/is justifiably criticized , and you all respond(ed) to those responsible as being “traitors/anti-American/terrorist sympathizers” or any other idiotic moniker you tried to use……….It was bullshit then , as it is now.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI would like to ask the senator who scripted this bill just what does it exactly accomplish?
Comment by TheToonGuy — September 20, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
This one is easy to answer… NOTHING!!!!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmDo not confuse the war with the warrior. Who supports the troops more - those who wish to bring them home safely or those who prefer to keep them in the meat grinder?
September 20th, 2007 at 4:41 pmAh yes — those valued “sense of the Senate” resolutions. We condemn the Moveon ad. We feel the pain of the troops (but not enough to do anything about it).
Methinks the Repubs only consider these stunts a waste of time when the Dems do it. Typical double standard.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmI give up. We’ve lost the Republic…
Comment by Kryptik — September 20, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Whoa, Nellie!!! I’m not lost. I know EXACTLY where I am!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmComment by MCMetal — September 20, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
The dems can be such pussies.
They are absolute cowards in the face of adversity, though I am happy neither of my Senators are on this list.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmand our Democratic “leaders” fell for it again - hook/line/sinker.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pmhose who prefer to keep them in the meat grinder?
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Comment by TheToonGuy — September 20, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Might I ad, ahem… “Whilst paying Blackwater Goons 4 times as much to operate w/out repercussion and free to come and go as they please?”
September 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThey are absolute cowards in the face of adversity, though I am happy neither of my Senators are on this list.
Comment by dim wit — September 20, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Just… like… the GOOPer blow hards who brought this stunt to the floor in the first place.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:44 pmWell I just called Evan Bayh and let him know that I will be voting against him even though I have always voted for him in the past because of this vote… the person on the phone thought it was really unfair… well so is this whole situation… it pay back time for somebody even if it must be the democrats.
Democrats make them pay or many of us are going to make you pay. Who exactly took back Congress last November? You sure cant tell it was the democrats.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pmboth of my Florida Congressmen voted for this thing… I’m about to quit the party here…
September 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pmtheir approval rating would skyrocket if they foudn their bals for once and blocked the gop from getting ANY of their bills near the floor…period.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDo tell. When was the last time you voted for a Dem for national office? Was it even this century?
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I have voted for democrats every time from 2000 on.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pmLOL we have to have votes to show we like someone. Insane. These people are insane.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:48 pmWaste of time and money, it was an AD by MoveOn…so what? We need to debate it in the Senate? WTF? Why not then debate what Malkin spewed forth? Why not that then? Why not debate what slime Rush spews then? Why not debate Faux Non-news? Cripes what a bunch of idiots.
Buck Fush
September 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmwell, r2 did bring up a decent point…
why the hell did the dem leader ALLOW this
to even come to the floor???
AAAAAARGH!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmGood luck I guess with your continued anti-troop efforts.
Comment by Roger_Roger
So my protests of the way Bushco has treated the wounded and veterans is anti-troop, while your Bush bootlicking while he has dumped on veterans is not?
Yeah right.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pmAnd night is day, black is white, and Darth Cheney is really Santa Claus in disguise.
‘WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW, RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY’
Adam Kokesh
To hell with the republocrats and the criminal repugs…UNITE THE PEOPLE and take back the country…otherwise line up for the Halliburton camps. That is the REALITY. What Senate or Congressional person will you talk to when you are the last one the jackboots round up in your neighborhood, taser you, and then take you away! Think it can’t happen here? Keep believing in this bullcrap we call a representative government and you will be staring out from behind the fences of the gulag. Ask someone from Mississippi!
Facist Amerika is here….
September 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pmDemocrats NEVER learn. NEVER repeat your opponent’s talking points, and NEVER agree with them.
The smart thing to have done would have been to filibuster a vote on the Cornyn resolution, followed by a resolution condemning John McCain, John Cornyn and others for being so willing to ignore the Constitutional right of free speech, followed by a resolution condemning Petraeus for LYING HIS ASS OFF!
Congressional Democrats seem compelled to compromise and negotiate and appear moderate, for fear they’ll lose elections in otherwise. In fact, their current wishy-washy actions are what’s likely to cost them elections — as Republicans know, even if you’re wrong, if you appear strong, you can often carry your point. In this case it should be even easier for Democrats because they’re RIGHT. Instead, they let republicans set the agenda and frame the debate time after time.
I note that Republicans are AGAINST non-binding resolutions, unless a Republican introduces them. I note that Republicans are AGAINST filibusters, except when a Republican initiates it. How come the so called liberal media and the Democrats don’t mention this blatant hypocrisy?
Until Democrats realize that they’re RIGHT and they have the MAJORITY and they have NOTHING to fear at the ballot box by being as anti-Bush and anti-Iraq war as possible, we’re doomed to keep replaying this Groundhog Day scene over and over and over and over…
September 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pmComment by 1st Republic 14th Star — September 20, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Whoa… hate to break the news to ya, but I was the first Republic here…
September 20th, 2007 at 4:54 pmGOPocrites.
Wow - a Four Star Army General needs 72 Senators to “defend” him against some name calling. Poor General, must have gotten the Vapors! My My.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:58 pm#10) Thanks for the list, MCMetal,
Glad to see that some Democrats retain a sense of honor and decency and recognize it is reprehensible to label with no proof a man who has dedicated 35 years of his life to the service and defense of his nation a “traitor.”
Good for: Baucus (D-MT); Bayh (D-IN); Cardin (D-MD); Carper (D-DE); Casey (D-PA); Conrad (D-ND); Dorgan (D-ND); Feinstein (D-CA); Johnson (D-SD);
Klobuchar (D-MN); Kohl (D-WI); Landrieu (D-LA); Leahy (D-VT); Lieberman (ID-CT); Lincoln (D-AR); McCaskill (D-MO); Mikulski (D-MD); Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE); Pryor (D-AR); Salazar (D-CO); Tester (D-MT); and Webb (D-VA)
What disgrances Reid, Clinton, and Obama — They continue to bootlick their masters at MoveOn.org for fear of losing campaign dollars. Real profiles in courage. John F. Kennedy would not recognize today’s Democratic party, at least that part of it led by the likes of Reid and Pelosi and Clinton.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:58 pmSince when are commercials under the powers of Congress ? Does this mean that Congress will next issue censures for toothpaste commercials that show too much enamel ?
September 20th, 2007 at 5:00 pmgah, wtf is this….this is free speech dammit, it’s not hate speech,
it’s an advocacy groups opinion who happened to be able to afford the NYTimes ad.
And the debate on the rate has already been debunked! It was a stand-by ad hence the discount….absolutely unbelievable.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:04 pmokay i officially require all loyal dems to refer to bush as 1st lieutenant fecktard……….is that disrespectful? nope. just accurate. petraeus is a tool of bush and thus deserves criticism…feck his service - he shat on his service record the day he became a yes man for bush.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:05 pmQuick correction: Obama did not vote at all on this resolution. While I think it unlikely he would have voted to condemn the despicable ad, especially given that he was in D.C. today and did vote earlier 38 minutes earlier for another amendment, but “disgrace” may be too hard on him given his non-vote….Political coward, however, seems to be appropriate.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pmexlax, you self-righteous, sanctimonious blowhard -
that move-on add did not label betrayus as a “traitor”…
you lying sob… the ad questioned whether he WOULD
betray us… and that is a play on the title his own troops
have tagged him with…
you are a known liar and a pompous blowhard.
i’m beginning to HATE people like you.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm.
What a ridiculous exercise in self adoration this was–and I’m happy to see that Barack Obama did not honor this nonsense with a vote. Thank you, President Obama!
September 20th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI am furious that our Democratic party cannot manage to do in the majority what Republicans in the minority are doing every day - obstruct.
Why in the world is garbage like this allowed to come to the floor? And why in the world would any Democrat not immediately dismiss it as just more empty political posturing from a party that continues to defend Dubya at all costs.
Vote no, don’t vote at all, but standing and voting yes makes these Dems cowards.
Moveon is a distraction. And the general is just one more in a long line of water carriers for the failed policies of the Bush Administration. The issue is the war, and the thing is, voting for this garbage does absolutely nothing about ending it.
And I’m very glad at our candidates for president were, for once, smart enough not to play with GOP toys.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:07 pmComment by Exley — September 20, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Don’t ever thank me for anything ever again , you GOP/Chimpy nut hugging stooge…………
September 20th, 2007 at 5:09 pmMoveOn.Org is nowhere near as vile as say The Weakly Substandard ; whose piece of shit chickenhawk pansy editor , Bill Kristol , is one of the most idiotic and despicable pieces of refuse to ever foul this planet , and who is one of the PNAC members that has been behind and pushing Chimpy’s Idiotic Iraq Adventure since its inception.
He has also been monumentally WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING………MOVEON.ORG HAS NOT.
#39
Glad to see that some Democrats retain no sense of honor and decency whatsoever and bend to the will of the grand dictator and vote to not challenge the truth telling of a man who has dedicated 35 years of his life to the service and defense of his nation and then turns around to be King George’s political hack.
Be ashamed: Baucus (D-MT); Bayh (D-IN); Cardin (D-MD); Carper (D-DE); Casey (D-PA); Conrad (D-ND); Dorgan (D-ND); Feinstein (D-CA); Johnson (D-SD);
Klobuchar (D-MN); Kohl (D-WI); Landrieu (D-LA); Leahy (D-VT); Lieberman (ID-CT); Lincoln (D-AR); McCaskill (D-MO); Mikulski (D-MD); Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE); Pryor (D-AR); Salazar (D-CO); Tester (D-MT); and Webb (D-VA)
What disgraces are all these shills — They continue to bootlick their masters at AIPAC and AT&T for fear of losing campaign dollars. Real profiles in courage. John F. Kennedy would not recognize today’s America, at least that part of it led by the likes of Darth Cheney and King Dubya and the rest of the UNAMERICAN criminals who are supposed to represent the PEOPLE.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:09 pmlane hudson at huffpost
What MoveOn hasn’t told you is that the “General Betray-Us” moniker isn’t their invention. It’s been reported in the British press to be coined by a retired General.
Critics, including one recently retired general, are privately calling him “General Betraeus” on the grounds that he is too ambitious to deliver a balanced report on the war.
But, the Democrats in Congress didn’t take the time to look past the baseless finger pointing and elementary name-calling. Instead, they gave in to cowardly instinct and said a big “F@*# YOU” to the millions of Americans who call themselves a part of the Netroots Movement and have worked side by side with MoveOn to end the War.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:10 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070920/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/ iraq_cholera
wheee! first cholera outbreak in Bahgdad. Now it gets messy (pun intended).
September 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhat the Senate just did was encourage many of us to donate MORE money to Move On…
Comment by ggibson1
You’re correct, because I just did.
…Feinstein… figures.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pmBingo. The elected dems by an large have major battered wife syndrome. We need more and better Democrats in office.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pmBut for major televsion network like FOX to link a US candidate for presidency and a US senator Obama to Bin Ladin and terrorism is not disgusting?
Fox linked Obama to madrassas and Al-Qaeda ‘wrongly’ in a smear job .
Fox and many GOP suppoerters cheered Steam boating of Senator Kerry.
In fact in the last Election Fox and many big GOP figures were saying ‘terrorists wants Democrats to win…’
So, why Democrats have been silent…?
September 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThis vote is a diversion from real ‘withdrawal issue’ from Iraq.
Why are you including Lieberman in that list? He is not a Democrat.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pmEver hear the term “Hostile Take Over”? They use it in to describe a business being taken over by people buying up enough of the stock to become the majority voter….
VOTE RON PAUL… The democrats are LOSERS… Hostile Take Over of the Republican Party would be sweat revenge against all the liars and cowards in DC.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pmCorrect. The proper term for Lieberman is Likud Party, Isreali. Or maybe Traitor to America.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:18 pmExley, you didn’t answer my questions on an earlier thread. Why didn’t Gen. Petraeus include carbombing deaths as deaths in his report? Why does he make a distinction between getting shot in the back of the head and the front of the head? And finally, do you believe there is a civil war going on in Iraq?
Two of these three questions are what the Moveon ad raised. Will you be a man and stand up? Answer the questions.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:25 pmreply to wiseass.org
if you notice my reply is in reaction to poster #39 exley. I agree Lieberman should be unceremoniously kicked out of the Dem party…he never was a DEMOcrat…more of a King Georgie poodle pet barking at all the wrong shadows of truth…
September 20th, 2007 at 5:29 pmWhy did this even get to the floor? If the Dems were smart they would friggin learn the attention span of the avg American is two days at best…until Brittney is mentioned again. If they put a secret hold on this crap it would blow over in a week.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:31 pmProfiles in cowardise…
The Bush party lives by the lie and has to attack anyone who speaks out.
What is so hard to see is why Democrats turn their back on using their power to use the law to hold people accountable. They give up with out a fight every time and then fall for this stunt.
You violate a congressional subpoena, we look the other way - that’s just breaking he law. But speak out against this president and his war on truth - now that’s something congress can deal with.
What a shameless bunch of fools.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:32 pmwhy didn’t betrayus stick to the recommendations
September 20th, 2007 at 5:33 pmthat he put forth himself - along with many professionals
of many different schools of thought and practice -
in his own field manual dedicated to just this “war”?
why?
I don’t see why the Democrats are stupid enough to fall for this. Well, I do but that’s another subject. Anyway, all MoveOn did was ask a question - the kind of question Fox News asks us everyday. Remember Fox News’ favorite question, “Is your mother a whore?”
Where’s the outrage about that? And please don’t tell me the Dems don’t know, or cannot recall, how Fox News uses question marks to commit political murder on behalf of the corporations.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:36 pmFor those of you who support MoveOn.Org, they are asking you to sign a petition to be sent to your senators and congressmen. Since both of my senators voted for this resolution, I signed.
The petition states: “I will not be quiet, I will fight back, and I will keep speaking out until Congress forces an exit plan for this awful war.”
September 20th, 2007 at 5:44 pmI don’t see why the Democrats are stupid enough to fall for this. Well, I do but that’s another subject. Anyway, all MoveOn did was ask a question - the kind of question Fox News asks us everyday. Remember Fox News’ favorite question, “Is your mother a whore?â€
Comment by Abby — September 20, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
If some of the posts in this thread are any indication, it has prolonged some free publicity for MoveOn.org and sparked a few extra donations.
It’s a shame so many Democrats were compelled to vote yes on it, but that’s the game, unfortunately. Webb’s still got my vote in five years. I don’t hate the player, just the game. At least it’s a do-nothing resolution instead of something substantial.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:50 pmGlad to see that some Democrats retain a sense of honor and decency and recognize it is reprehensible to label with no proof a man who has dedicated 35 years of his life to the service and defense of his nation a “traitor.â€
Comment by Exley — September 20, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
What is it about “conservatives” that they’ve given up on the Bill of Rights? MoveOn has used their constitutional right for free speech and published their opinion of the “Petraeus Report” and its lack of objectivity and the Senate should condemn them for doing so?
Shouldn’t the Senate also condemn the various pontificators of FoxNews for their opinons? Shouldn’t the Senate condemn people like Bill O’Reilly for regularly and viciously slandering public and private figures alike?
You’re a typical phony “conservative”, Exley, who only believes in “free speech” as long as it applies to fellow “conservatives.”
September 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pmSign the statement here:
http://pol.moveon.org/fightback/
I urge you ALL to do so.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pmyou are a known liar and a pompous blowhard.
i’m beginning to HATE people like you.
.
Comment by katy — September 20, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Whoa… yer beginnin’ ta sound more ‘n more like me, on a bad day, but I like it! Welcome aboard… harharhar!!!
Now, ya need to learn some good dirty moves, like “The Finger of Death” to the Adam’s apple, or the classic “Boot in the groin”!!! :-D!
September 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThe same Republiscum who voted against time off from battle for the troops are the ones who voted to condemn the MoveOn ad. Yet, they claim to be the ones who support the troops.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmSo the people who criticize the war, its puppet general, its belligerent and bellicose commander in chief; who work to end the war, who advocate for troops to come home — they are the ones called traitors.
We have gone terribly, terribly wrong, folks. We are in what seems to be a downward spiral into hell.
Government in America today will soon make Orwell’s “1984″ look like a fairy tale.
I just made a donation to MoveOn this afternoon; and my friend did the same.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmGovernment in America today will soon make Orwell’s “1984″ look like a fairy tale.
Comment by Marie — September 20, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
You forgot to mention how they use the military like indentured servants to front for the Blackwater goon squads that roam Iraq w/ no oversight, get paid 4 times as much as the soldiers, and get to come and go when they want. No enforced 15 month stays for them, I’ll wager.
Wanna bet that if and when the Iraqi govt finally signs the oil-sharing agreements, the gloves come off totally and then the blood REALLY flows, until no one’s left to complain?
September 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmDemocrats without a spine. I really, really don’t like them.
Why would any Democrat point to MoveOn.org and say anything. They should have killed this in committee.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmObama’s statement:
“The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements. This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. It’s precisely this kind of political game-playing that makes most Americans cynical about Washington’s ability to solve America’s problems. By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics. I registered my views on the ad itself the day it appeared.
“All of us respect the service of General Petraeus and all of our brave men and women in uniform. The way to honor that service is to give them a mission that is responsible, not to vote on amendments like the Cornyn amendment while we continue to pursue the wrong policy in Iraq.”
Personally, I don’t find fault with his comments. What would have happened if ALL the Democrats had refused to vote on it?
September 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pm>The complaint says Hsu
Got any fresh updates about the former senators found guilty of taking bribes from Abramhoff cronies?
Are any of them democrats yet?
Oh, and Exley, question fer ya…
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ POLITICS/ 09/ 20/ bush.petraeus/ index.html
” The Democrats on Thursday failed to pass their resolution. It included a condemnation of the “unwarranted personal attack” on Petraeus, but also condemned “personal attacks” that happened in 2002 against then-Democratic Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia and attacks in 2004 against Sen. John Kerry. The vote was 51-46, but 60 votes were needed to proceed.”
I take it you support the democratic amendment as well, right Exley?
Oh, and arming our enemimes.. betrayal? yes or no?
September 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmAmerican don’t complain what the GOP does. It’s not important to the White House/GOP/Americans that 3 soldiers died today while the vote was made about MoveOn.org. We see what’s more important now. I wish Americans would be as angry with our elected leaders not protecting our troops as Americans are about Vick killing a dog. But I guess dogs mean more that our soldiers. The GOP/White House are busy stealing and don’t have time for the US economy or the lives of our troops.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmWhere was fake liberal Obama? Scared to vote. Was in the building to vote for the amendment previous, then ran out.
September 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmHow is that so many people all the sudden get stupid about these things?
There us no comparing fellow soldier’s speaking out about Kerry’s actions in Vietnam or his publicity his seeking remarks before congress and movement.org’s slander of General Petraeus.
As for Max Cleland, by his own admission he never was a war hero that Democrats claimed following his senate seat lost. That whole canard arose as a way to blame Republicans for the voters decision to throw the bum out. Don’t see how that equates either, but I’m sure some ill informed twit of the likes of republic of stupidity, leftside annie or katy will yet again feign intelligence by asserting some other piece of movement.org’s crap as gospel!
September 20th, 2007 at 7:19 pmGibson: “Dems are cowards. I won’t vote for them again.”
Gibson a little later: “Vote Ron Paul!”
Gibson, you’re not fooling anyone.
I’d like to remind Exley and all others who think military leaders are above question that 10 years after the fact we found out the General Westmoreland sat there in front of congress and lied through his teeth talking up the war in Viet Nam. We’ve been through this before. Patraeus even wrote an op-ed for republicans and Bush before the 2004 election saying they were making great progress in Iraq. Patraeus is fair game. The fact that there were Dems who bowed to conservative media pressure to condemn the ad is almost irrelevant.
September 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmHey Ron, did you hear the one about Mitt Romney’s co-finance director being CONVICTED of fraud, money laundering and mail fraud? No? I’m not surprised. It’s someone who actually WORKS for Romney and it gets almost no press. Dems accept money from a guy they don’t even know who turns out to be a crook and it’s all over the media. That’s the liberal press for you, right?
September 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmCon10tous: “There us no comparing fellow soldier’s speaking out about Kerry’s actions in Vietnam or his publicity his seeking remarks before congress and movement.org’s slander of General Petraeus.”
Yes, especially if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Kerry was personally asked by a number of Senators to go to the Winter Soldier conference and report back to the Senate what happened there and what was the nature of the testimony. He was testifying about WHAT OTHER SOLDIERS TESTIFIED at the congress to inform the Senate of its findings. The Swiftboat liars lied to you about that. And, they lied about being fellow soldiers. None of them worked with Kerry or on his boat. Every member of Kerry’s real crew supported him.
September 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pmbut I’m sure some ill informed twit of the likes of republic of stupidity…
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Comment by Con10tious — September 20, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
WTF???? You the *F* are you??? If I’ve EMBARRASSED you in the past under a different name, too bad… here, have a hankie and cry it out.
F… YOU!!!! MORON!
Bet good money I’d clean your clock on a standard IQ test…:-D!!!
September 20th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThis could be seen coming a mile away:
Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) has now called for an investigation into “possible elections violations by the New York Times for selling an advertisement to the liberal group MoveOn.org at a reduced rate.â€
Get them on the record denouncing the ad and then attempt to claim the ad violated the law. How could they not want an investigation if they condemn the ad?
It’s like watching the Road Runner and knowing the coyote will fall off the cliff every time.
I seem to remember that Rudy Giuliani received a discounted rate for his “I hate MoveOn” rebuttal ad. Maybe that should be investigated too?
How these people who so hate citizens, government and the rule of law continue to be elected in their states amazes me. They’re too transparent to be fooling the voters.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:19 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
No need to fool anyone. Democrats have shown themselves to be exactly what the rightwingers have been calling them for a long time… cowards. They have had every opportunity to call out the bushies and we all have seen with disgrace how they just keep rolling over.
The GOP appears to be corrupt to the core so the republicans are all out except the one named Ron Paul. Hell Ron Paul can be believed for more than any democrat except an obvious few.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:24 pmYou’d be wise to tone it down, but I know you won’t :-)
Comment by Toliver — September 20, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Try “telling the truth” and “making a real point”. You might find it refreshing and different.
Why do the truth and real points hate America so?
September 20th, 2007 at 9:25 pmRepublicans are only following that sage advice: “Go with what you know.” What they know is pointing fingers; they sure as hell can’t govern.
September 20th, 2007 at 10:04 pmCornyn is so sure of his seat. He is up for re-election next year and yesterday voted against allowing an up-or-down vote on restoring Habeas Corpus. Is everyone in Texas brain dead or will he have opposition?
September 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pmSweet music hearing the Gross Old Perverts complaining about Moveon… so sweet I pulled out my credit card and made a donation.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:29 pmWho is in the 11% that approves of these do nothing, ass kissing, bootlicking, rubbernecked thugs?
September 20th, 2007 at 11:48 pmWow, 1/2 the Dems in the Senate abandon MoveOn.org:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297498,00.html
What a sorry state of affairs for the Dems - your self righteous indignation is having absolutely no affect anymore, because real world issues are steam rolling you.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:39 am#10 -Comment by MCMetal — September 20, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
MCMetal, thanks for the “dishonor roll” of the 23 pukes who normally vote with the Senate Democratic majority.
Want to know what is saddest of all?
Conrad, Leahy, and Mikulski voted against the invasion of Iraq, and now they’ve gone all soft over a POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT!
It’s heartbreaking to watch strong folks go weak!
September 21st, 2007 at 2:06 am# 90: “…Is everyone in Texas brain dead or will he have opposition?” -
Comment by questioneverything — September 20, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
There are two Democrats opposing each other for the opportunity to oppose Cornyn: Rick Noriega (http://www.ricknoriega.com/) and Mikal Watts (http://wattsforsenate.com/). Either candidate makes Cornyn look like the slick, two-bit, sleezy, political hack that “Johnny, the crooked lawyer” has always been!
If you have ever been in the same room with the lizard, as I have, you want to take a bath to get clean. He is loathsome.
He makes the other crooked, corrupt, loathsome, NeoCon Texas senator look sane (barely) by comparison!
September 21st, 2007 at 2:40 amEither they think we are stupid or they are completely incompetent. Maybe they are stupid and completely incompetent. But in the history of the US we have consistently started wars and sent our own people to their deaths for some greater cause. It is very sad but I truly believe that the strongest, the ones most capable of survival, know how to separate the flag waving venom from the truth and then react appropriately.
September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 am#14 ggibson:
This cowardice of the democrats is exactly why I will NOT be voting for them next time…
Reward the good guys. Punish the bad ones. Double the reinforcement, double the fun.
Cheers,
September 21st, 2007 at 6:56 am#14 ggibson:
P.S.: Your reaction is precisely what the Republicans are hoping for and planning on. They want to try and fracture the Democratic party, and get enough people pissed at the party as a whole. Change is not impossible; witness Lamont. Too bad Connecticut went Republican after that, but the eedjits there that enabled that will have to deal with their own conscience. Maybe that will be a lesson to Democratic voter next time this happens. Then there’s the ActBlue candidates, who did better than the pathetic DLC folks.
Cheer,
September 21st, 2007 at 7:01 amThe sad, scary, depressing thing about this particular vote is that it is an open admission by the Democratic party that Republicans rule. The Republicans try to picture themselves as spirited and skilled at parliamentary procedure, but in fact they are unprincipled and overbearing. The Dems have capitulated; the minority party is the controlling party in Congress.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:28 amWe who looked to the Democrats to lead us out of the disastrous Iraq occupation are screwed.
My question to Senator Cornhole and his 71 followers is, Will you be passing a resolution to condem FoxNoise? They have criticized triple amputee veteran Max Cleland, General Wesley Clark, Admiral Fallon and numerous other Generals who disagreed with and were eventually fired by our great decider.
What’s worse, FoxNoise does this 24 hours a day for free. MoveOn at least got contributions from the people in order to place an ad with their views and there was nothing untruthful in the ad. FoxNoise on the other hand, back when I watched to stay informed about the right’s tactics, I could easily find 5-10 outright lies per hour show.
I was glad to see that neither of my Senators voted for that stupid resolution but we need to get on the other Dems who did. We shouldn’t be rude but they need to understand that they are playing the rights game when they vote like this. They own the Senate’s agenda and this never should have been allowed to come up for a vote.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:37 amHere are a few fun facts about General BetrayUs. After you read them you can decide if MoveOn was over the line.
As a young officer, BetrayUs started dating and eventually married his Post Commanders daughter because it would be a good career move.
General BetrayUs, up until Bushie boy picked him to head up Iraq, spent his time as a desk officer avoiding combat.
General BetrayUs’s previous writings about counter insurgency and combat was a complete 180 degrees from his current stance which he only adopted when he had an opportunity to be picked for advancement by pResident Bush.
General BetrayUs’s boss, Admiral Fallon was once heard saying about the General, “He’s a chicken$h!t suck-up, he’ll say anything to get ahead”.
MoveOn overthe line? I don’t think so.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:00 am“Officially, Lieberman is an Independent-DEMOCRAT. What’s the excuse for these 100% Democrats?”
They have a sense of honor and decency.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:15 am“Many Democratic strategists were privately furious at the group for launching an attack on a member of the military … Yesterday, almost two weeks after the ad ran, MoveOn found itself in an unenviable position: almost universally condemned by Senate Democrats and Republicans…
[N]early every member of the Senate had repudiated MoveOn, including Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Obama, who both voted for the Democratic version that did not include MoveOn’s name but said there had been an “unwarranted personal attack” on Petraeus.”
Washington Post
September 21st, 2007 at 10:18 am9/21/07
The loons on the right, such as the ubiquitous Pat Buchanan have been fixated by the words “Betray Us” in the ad. They’ve honed in on those words like on a lighthouse beacon in the night, without paying attention to any other aspect of the ad by Move-On. No one has been talking about the actual content of the ad on the cable TV talking-head shows. You would think the actual content of the ad would be relevant. Nothing in the ad by Move On called Petraeus a traitor. Those words were never used. Yet, right wing loon after right loon has accused Move-On of doing just that. The words that come right after “Betray Us” are “cooking the books”. That’s what Petraeus was accused of, “cooking the books”. That’s the point every word of the ad makes: that Petraeus betrayed the truth, not his country. The point of the ad is that every report about Iraq says that the surge has failed, but questions whether Petraeus would be using phoney, fabricated statistics based on such practices as whether Iraqis shot in the front of the head are counted among the casualties of sectarian violence. In fact, that’s what several Republicans were suggesting that Petraeus was doing, when they questioned him in the Senate. Again, it would help if the actual content of the ad were discussed. But I guess it’s easier just focusing in on the words “Betray Us” and neglecting everything else, attributing to Move-On whatever motive and intention that a proper, upstanding right wing loon cares to do.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amAlthough I think the MoveOn ad was sophmoric, a congressional debate is hardly warranted. So now they’ve condemned the MoveOn advertisement… Israel just launched an unprovoked attacked on Syria and the congress is mum. In fact, it was revealed that, just prior to the Israeli attack, the U.S. shared intelligence about Syria with Israel and, thereby, aided in the attack. Not a peep.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:28 pmAn email sent to Senators Leahy, Conrad, and Mikulski:
Dear Senator Leahy:
I have been an ardent supporter of yours, since long your vote against the invasion of Iraq (H.J.Res. 114, 107th Congress).
Now I am VERY disappointed in you.
How could you vote with the NeoCons who are hell-bent in support of the interminable occupation and destruction of Iraq and against MoveOn.org, which has supported YOU and your efforts to stop the debacle in Iraq? Couldn’t you see that this vote is a ploy to smear YOU and all those who oppose their warmongering?
I had thought much better of you. It is a sad day.
Please Note: A similar email has been sent by webform to Senators Conrad (D - ND), and Mikulski (D - MD).
And, a copy of this email is being provided by webform to MoveOn.org.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:40 pm