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		<title>By: Dr.Know</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085714</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Reading something in print does not make it true. Reading the same thing from multiple accounts makes it likely to be true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Post your multiple accounts. 

As for your dodge/question, no. Now, tell me how you intend to give the beating victim some justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Reading something in print does not make it true. Reading the same thing from multiple accounts makes it likely to be true.</p></blockquote>
<p>Post your multiple accounts. </p>
<p>As for your dodge/question, no. Now, tell me how you intend to give the beating victim some justice.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085714', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GooseEgg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085704</link>
		<dc:creator>GooseEgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading something in print does not make it true.  Reading the same thing from multiple accounts makes it likely to be true.  Question for you DrKnow.  Do you feel that the prosecution of these boys has been fair and just?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading something in print does not make it true.  Reading the same thing from multiple accounts makes it likely to be true.  Question for you DrKnow.  Do you feel that the prosecution of these boys has been fair and just?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085704', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Know</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085690</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If true, as reported, that the kid was throwing around racial epitaphs, than I stand by my description.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


What do you mean, &quot;if true&quot;. You slander a beating victim and then you don&#039;t even know if the source of your slander is true? So much for an open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If true, as reported, that the kid was throwing around racial epitaphs, than I stand by my description.</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you mean, &#8220;if true&#8221;. You slander a beating victim and then you don&#8217;t even know if the source of your slander is true? So much for an open mind.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085690', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GooseEgg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085678</link>
		<dc:creator>GooseEgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break.  If true, as reported, that the kid was throwing around racial epitaphs, than I stand by my description.  I&#039;m not wrapping myself in anything.  After reading a fair bit about this, from credible sources and w/ an open mind, I do not see how anyone can come to any conclusion other than that the prosecution of these boys is biased and that Jena has a fairly serious racial divide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break.  If true, as reported, that the kid was throwing around racial epitaphs, than I stand by my description.  I&#8217;m not wrapping myself in anything.  After reading a fair bit about this, from credible sources and w/ an open mind, I do not see how anyone can come to any conclusion other than that the prosecution of these boys is biased and that Jena has a fairly serious racial divide.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085678', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Know</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085618</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, your quote from a Fox sports columnist has certainly set me straight. It is obvious now that justice in Jena is colorblind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I&#039;m sorry, did someone give you the impression that the justice system in this country was perfect? Yes, bad things happen, injustice happens and innocent people sometimes get screwed. Welcome to modern civilization.

Now, while you&#039;re wrapping yourself in such rightous indignation maybe you could spare some of that sympathy for the kid that got his ass beat. You remember him right? The one you called a &quot;teenage racist prick?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, your quote from a Fox sports columnist has certainly set me straight. It is obvious now that justice in Jena is colorblind.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, did someone give you the impression that the justice system in this country was perfect? Yes, bad things happen, injustice happens and innocent people sometimes get screwed. Welcome to modern civilization.</p>
<p>Now, while you&#8217;re wrapping yourself in such rightous indignation maybe you could spare some of that sympathy for the kid that got his ass beat. You remember him right? The one you called a &#8220;teenage racist prick?&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085618', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DRxJ</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085583</link>
		<dc:creator>DRxJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for the love of......
One more time.
It is NOT about vigilante justice.
It is about fairness.
These are juveniles who are being tried as adults, with the possibility of serving the maximum sentence of 15 years, for a school yard fight.
Should they be punished? YES
Should they be tried as adults? NO
If you answered yes to the above question, then shouldn&#039;t all teen-agers be tried as adults (hence my 16 year old drunk driving example)

I am weighing in on the justice aspect of this case, not the blind racism.
Let&#039;s face it, folks, had these been 5 affluent white boys beating up on a black boy, there is no way in hell of the possibility of 15 years imprisonment.  They would have been convicted in a juvenile court and more than likely, handed mandatory probation.  End of Story!!!
It&#039;s about fairness.  It&#039;s about the same justice for blacks as is for whites. It&#039;s about the same justice for poor as is for rich.
It&#039;s about equality for all, which is still lacking in this great country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for the love of&#8230;&#8230;<br />
One more time.<br />
It is NOT about vigilante justice.<br />
It is about fairness.<br />
These are juveniles who are being tried as adults, with the possibility of serving the maximum sentence of 15 years, for a school yard fight.<br />
Should they be punished? YES<br />
Should they be tried as adults? NO<br />
If you answered yes to the above question, then shouldn&#8217;t all teen-agers be tried as adults (hence my 16 year old drunk driving example)</p>
<p>I am weighing in on the justice aspect of this case, not the blind racism.<br />
Let&#8217;s face it, folks, had these been 5 affluent white boys beating up on a black boy, there is no way in hell of the possibility of 15 years imprisonment.  They would have been convicted in a juvenile court and more than likely, handed mandatory probation.  End of Story!!!<br />
It&#8217;s about fairness.  It&#8217;s about the same justice for blacks as is for whites. It&#8217;s about the same justice for poor as is for rich.<br />
It&#8217;s about equality for all, which is still lacking in this great country.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085583', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GooseEgg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085555</link>
		<dc:creator>GooseEgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrKnow,
Well, your quote from a Fox sports columnist has certainly set me straight.  It is obvious now that justice in Jena is colorblind.  The prosecutor is doing a stellar job, and should be commended for focusing his efforts on these vicious wannabe killers.  4 months of racial tension, several dismissed violent encounters, and preemptive threats by the prosecutor and his posse of police clearly have no bearing on this sterling example of American justice.
(do i even need to note my sarcasm?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrKnow,<br />
Well, your quote from a Fox sports columnist has certainly set me straight.  It is obvious now that justice in Jena is colorblind.  The prosecutor is doing a stellar job, and should be commended for focusing his efforts on these vicious wannabe killers.  4 months of racial tension, several dismissed violent encounters, and preemptive threats by the prosecutor and his posse of police clearly have no bearing on this sterling example of American justice.<br />
(do i even need to note my sarcasm?)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085555', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Know</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085494</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what a little google can do for you:


(http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510)


&lt;blockquote&gt;
No one mentions that Mychal Bell&#039;s clueless public defender was black. No one mentions that there were no black jurors because of the 50 people who responded to the more than 100 summons, none were black. No one mentions that Bell was already on probation for battery relating to a Christmas day incident in 2005. No one mentions that Bell was adjudicated (convicted) of two other violent crimes in 2006 and one charge of criminal damage to property. No one mentions that Bell&#039;s father acknowledged he moved back to Louisiana in February (after seven years in Dallas) to supervise his son because of the &quot;Jena Six&quot; mess. No one mentions that Bell starred on the Jena High football team while constantly jeopardizing/violating his seemingly flimsy probation.

This was all talked about in open court during a bond hearing for Bell, and a newspaper in Alexandria, La., wrote about it. Just about everybody else has pretty much ignored the &quot;other side&quot; of the story. Including the fact that not one witness â€” black or white, and there were 40 statements taken â€” connected the jumping/beatdown of the white student (Dec. 4) to the noose incident (Sept. 1).

No one mentions that a black U.S. Attorney, Donald Washington, investigated the &quot;Jena Six&quot; case and held a town-hall meeting explaining that there was no evidence connecting the jumping/beatdown to the noose incident.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


So it seems that the easy to digest story of white racisism gets a bit cloudier the closer you look at it. But why spoil a parade right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what a little google can do for you:</p>
<p>(<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>
No one mentions that Mychal Bell&#8217;s clueless public defender was black. No one mentions that there were no black jurors because of the 50 people who responded to the more than 100 summons, none were black. No one mentions that Bell was already on probation for battery relating to a Christmas day incident in 2005. No one mentions that Bell was adjudicated (convicted) of two other violent crimes in 2006 and one charge of criminal damage to property. No one mentions that Bell&#8217;s father acknowledged he moved back to Louisiana in February (after seven years in Dallas) to supervise his son because of the &#8220;Jena Six&#8221; mess. No one mentions that Bell starred on the Jena High football team while constantly jeopardizing/violating his seemingly flimsy probation.</p>
<p>This was all talked about in open court during a bond hearing for Bell, and a newspaper in Alexandria, La., wrote about it. Just about everybody else has pretty much ignored the &#8220;other side&#8221; of the story. Including the fact that not one witness â€” black or white, and there were 40 statements taken â€” connected the jumping/beatdown of the white student (Dec. 4) to the noose incident (Sept. 1).</p>
<p>No one mentions that a black U.S. Attorney, Donald Washington, investigated the &#8220;Jena Six&#8221; case and held a town-hall meeting explaining that there was no evidence connecting the jumping/beatdown to the noose incident.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So it seems that the easy to digest story of white racisism gets a bit cloudier the closer you look at it. But why spoil a parade right?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085494', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GooseEgg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085441</link>
		<dc:creator>GooseEgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Racial tensions remained elevated throughout the fall. On Monday, December 4 2006, a white student who allegedly had been racially taunting black students in support of the students who hung the nooses got into a fight with black students.&quot;
Yes, Dr Know, I think it fair to say they were provoked.  I did not say this was an excuse to beat someone. If, after reading numerous published reports about what was going on in Jena in the fall of 06&#039;, you cannot bring yourself to admit that these CHILDREN are at the center of a serious miscarriage of justice, then your are seriously deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Racial tensions remained elevated throughout the fall. On Monday, December 4 2006, a white student who allegedly had been racially taunting black students in support of the students who hung the nooses got into a fight with black students.&#8221;<br />
Yes, Dr Know, I think it fair to say they were provoked.  I did not say this was an excuse to beat someone. If, after reading numerous published reports about what was going on in Jena in the fall of 06&#8242;, you cannot bring yourself to admit that these CHILDREN are at the center of a serious miscarriage of justice, then your are seriously deluded.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085441', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: donnas</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085422</link>
		<dc:creator>donnas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there nothing about which Rudy won&#039;t exaggerate to a ridiculous degree? I&#039;m betting at the very  least Angelina, Brad and their four kids are better known Americans in the world than he is.

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And finally: Yesterday, Rudy Giuliani was â€œon the trans-Atlantic campaign trailâ€¦bragging about his international credentials. â€˜Iâ€™m probably one of the four or five best known Americans in the world,â€™ Giuliani told a small group of reporters at a posh London hotel as onlookers gathered in the lobby to gawk at actor Dustin Hoffman, who was on a separate visit.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there nothing about which Rudy won&#8217;t exaggerate to a ridiculous degree? I&#8217;m betting at the very  least Angelina, Brad and their four kids are better known Americans in the world than he is.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And finally: Yesterday, Rudy Giuliani was â€œon the trans-Atlantic campaign trailâ€¦bragging about his international credentials. â€˜Iâ€™m probably one of the four or five best known Americans in the world,â€™ Giuliani told a small group of reporters at a posh London hotel as onlookers gathered in the lobby to gawk at actor Dustin Hoffman, who was on a separate visit.â€<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085422', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Know</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;These boys were provoked. What they did was wrong. No one deserves to be assaulted (even if they are teenage racist pricks)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And you have proof these boys were &quot;provoked&quot;? And this proof is an excuse for six people to beat up on one person? And further do you have proof that the boy who was beaten was in your words a &quot;teenage racist pricks&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These boys were provoked. What they did was wrong. No one deserves to be assaulted (even if they are teenage racist pricks)</p></blockquote>
<p>And you have proof these boys were &#8220;provoked&#8221;? And this proof is an excuse for six people to beat up on one person? And further do you have proof that the boy who was beaten was in your words a &#8220;teenage racist pricks&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085406', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dim wit</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085366</link>
		<dc:creator>dim wit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMM, 
For whatever reason, I don&#039;t think you understand my point and I simply don&#039;t have the ability to explain it anymore simply. I, in fact, agree with most of what you have to say in your last comment which is why I disagree with your comment #50.
I do feel we probably have much more in common than we do in difference and feel we should probably just agree to disagree as I don&#039;t see either of us winning the other over.
Please accept this as my last comment concerning this topic. Should you choose to respond, I will read your comment, but will not respond to it.
-dim wit-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMM,<br />
For whatever reason, I don&#8217;t think you understand my point and I simply don&#8217;t have the ability to explain it anymore simply. I, in fact, agree with most of what you have to say in your last comment which is why I disagree with your comment #50.<br />
I do feel we probably have much more in common than we do in difference and feel we should probably just agree to disagree as I don&#8217;t see either of us winning the other over.<br />
Please accept this as my last comment concerning this topic. Should you choose to respond, I will read your comment, but will not respond to it.<br />
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		<title>By: jgrant@goldfeinlaw.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>jgrant@goldfeinlaw.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just called Tom Corburn&#039;s ofice ,I asked did he have the hold staffer said yes hold on , then I was told by machine to leave a message.


Just got back from a rally and protest march for The Jena Six in Philadelphia, PA.
It was quite a turnout at least 500 or more people showed up wearing BLACK. We marched down Board St.  
Cars were beeping and honking. It was really impowering.
FREE THE JENA SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just called Tom Corburn&#8217;s ofice ,I asked did he have the hold staffer said yes hold on , then I was told by machine to leave a message.</p>
<p>Just got back from a rally and protest march for The Jena Six in Philadelphia, PA.<br />
It was quite a turnout at least 500 or more people showed up wearing BLACK. We marched down Board St.<br />
Cars were beeping and honking. It was really impowering.<br />
FREE THE JENA SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085284', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TripMaster Monkey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085218</link>
		<dc:creator>TripMaster Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dim wit sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Iraq had WMD at one time and used them. RoS agrees with this. Do you deny Saddam used WMD on the Kurds?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t believe we&#039;re still having this conversation.  This is &lt;i&gt;beyond&lt;/i&gt; stupid.

No, dim wit, I don&#039;t dispute that Saddam &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; chemical weapons.  I don&#039;t dispute that he used them on the Kurds.  And I don&#039;t dispute that the U.S. supplied Saddam with these weapons.

HOWEVER, Saddam was required to destroy these (and all other) WMDs after the Gulf War, which he did.  Weapons inspectors all reported that Saddam had indeed followed through on his obligation.

So, tell me, just exactly how the hell do you make the jump from &quot;Saddam gassed the Kurds&quot; to &quot;Saddam was a threat to the U.S.&quot;?  

The threat Iraq posed to the U.S. was entirely fictional, and even if they &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; wished us harm, they would have been completely unable to do so.

In short, there is absolutely &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; comparison between the Jena 6, which were both genuinely threatened &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; physically assaulted, and the U.S., which was never genuinely threatened by Iraq, and could not have been harmed by them in any event.  It is, to use your pithy parlance, a &#039;shit argument&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dim wit sez:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Iraq had WMD at one time and used them. RoS agrees with this. Do you deny Saddam used WMD on the Kurds?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re still having this conversation.  This is <i>beyond</i> stupid.</p>
<p>No, dim wit, I don&#8217;t dispute that Saddam <i>had</i> chemical weapons.  I don&#8217;t dispute that he used them on the Kurds.  And I don&#8217;t dispute that the U.S. supplied Saddam with these weapons.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, Saddam was required to destroy these (and all other) WMDs after the Gulf War, which he did.  Weapons inspectors all reported that Saddam had indeed followed through on his obligation.</p>
<p>So, tell me, just exactly how the hell do you make the jump from &#8220;Saddam gassed the Kurds&#8221; to &#8220;Saddam was a threat to the U.S.&#8221;?  </p>
<p>The threat Iraq posed to the U.S. was entirely fictional, and even if they <i>had</i> wished us harm, they would have been completely unable to do so.</p>
<p>In short, there is absolutely <strong>no</strong> comparison between the Jena 6, which were both genuinely threatened <i>and</i> physically assaulted, and the U.S., which was never genuinely threatened by Iraq, and could not have been harmed by them in any event.  It is, to use your pithy parlance, a &#8217;shit argument&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085218', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dim wit</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085202</link>
		<dc:creator>dim wit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to inequality you are correct. 
The fight you reference is as follows:
Fair barn party incident
On Friday, December 1, there was a private party, attended mostly by whites, at the Fair Barn. Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m. According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that they were not allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student,[8] then jumped in front of the woman and instigated a fight. After the fight was broken up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party. Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who also were not students.[8] Police were then called to investigate. Several months later, Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation. Bailey later stated that one of the white men had broken a beer bottle over his head,[4] though there are no official records of medical treatment being given.[8]
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The black kids were not invited and told to leave. They did not. This fight was instigated and is not the same as 6 people jumping 1 (from behind) and beating that person.
You do realize there are different degrees of crimes, don&#039;t you?
Battery is a term used by the common law jurisdictions, which involves an injury or other contact upon the person of another in a manner likely to cause bodily harm.
Attempted Murder is committed when the defendant does an act that is more than merely preparatory to the commission of the crime of murder and, at the time of these acts, the person has a specific intention to kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to inequality you are correct.<br />
The fight you reference is as follows:<br />
Fair barn party incident<br />
On Friday, December 1, there was a private party, attended mostly by whites, at the Fair Barn. Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m. According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that they were not allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student,[8] then jumped in front of the woman and instigated a fight. After the fight was broken up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party. Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who also were not students.[8] Police were then called to investigate. Several months later, Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation. Bailey later stated that one of the white men had broken a beer bottle over his head,[4] though there are no official records of medical treatment being given.[8]<br />
&#8212;<br />
The black kids were not invited and told to leave. They did not. This fight was instigated and is not the same as 6 people jumping 1 (from behind) and beating that person.<br />
You do realize there are different degrees of crimes, don&#8217;t you?<br />
Battery is a term used by the common law jurisdictions, which involves an injury or other contact upon the person of another in a manner likely to cause bodily harm.<br />
Attempted Murder is committed when the defendant does an act that is more than merely preparatory to the commission of the crime of murder and, at the time of these acts, the person has a specific intention to kill.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085202', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dim wit</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085179</link>
		<dc:creator>dim wit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMM, 
I read your post #100.
Its a shit argument on your part.
Your cohort RoS notes:
&quot;The WMD that Saddam once did have and use? Got â€˜em, in part, from the US!&quot;
Iraq had WMD at one time and used them. RoS agrees with this. Do you deny Saddam used WMD on the Kurds?
Bush used that fear to justify the invasion of Iraq, noting that Iraw still had these weapons and would use them.
You use the same argument to justify the actions of the Jena 6. You&#039;re stating the Jena 6 were taking a pre-emptive action against the white kid because they were threatened, but this simply is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMM,<br />
I read your post #100.<br />
Its a shit argument on your part.<br />
Your cohort RoS notes:<br />
&#8220;The WMD that Saddam once did have and use? Got â€˜em, in part, from the US!&#8221;<br />
Iraq had WMD at one time and used them. RoS agrees with this. Do you deny Saddam used WMD on the Kurds?<br />
Bush used that fear to justify the invasion of Iraq, noting that Iraw still had these weapons and would use them.<br />
You use the same argument to justify the actions of the Jena 6. You&#8217;re stating the Jena 6 were taking a pre-emptive action against the white kid because they were threatened, but this simply is not the case.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085179', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GooseEgg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085137</link>
		<dc:creator>GooseEgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE FACTS
These boys were provoked.   What they did was wrong.  No one deserves to be assaulted (even if they are teenage racist pricks).  The DA is not fairly administering justice and should loose his job.  The school board should be reprimanded for their deplorable handling of the events leading up to the arrest of these six boys for murder(WTF?!?!).  Louisiana is a backward ass state and is chock full of inequality if you happen to be black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE FACTS<br />
These boys were provoked.   What they did was wrong.  No one deserves to be assaulted (even if they are teenage racist pricks).  The DA is not fairly administering justice and should loose his job.  The school board should be reprimanded for their deplorable handling of the events leading up to the arrest of these six boys for murder(WTF?!?!).  Louisiana is a backward ass state and is chock full of inequality if you happen to be black.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085137', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TripMaster Monkey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085129</link>
		<dc:creator>TripMaster Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilco sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;So please explain your point, then, so I can understand where youâ€™re coming from.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought I had made my point a while back, but I&#039;ll recap for you, Wilco.

You made the statement that &quot;You donâ€™t get to beat the crap out of someone because they have the same skin color as some other people who hurt some guy you know.&quot;.  

Apparently, if you&#039;re the right color, you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; get to do &lt;em&gt;just that&lt;/em&gt;.  Apparently, if you&#039;re the right color, you get to beat the crap out of someone for no other reason than that they have the &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; color skin.

I&#039;m not saying that that&#039;s your position, because it obviously isn&#039;t.  I&#039;m just pointing out that recent events have proven your blanket assertion false.

I hope that that makes things a bit clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilco sez:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>So please explain your point, then, so I can understand where youâ€™re coming from.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I thought I had made my point a while back, but I&#8217;ll recap for you, Wilco.</p>
<p>You made the statement that &#8220;You donâ€™t get to beat the crap out of someone because they have the same skin color as some other people who hurt some guy you know.&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Apparently, if you&#8217;re the right color, you <i>do</i> get to do <em>just that</em>.  Apparently, if you&#8217;re the right color, you get to beat the crap out of someone for no other reason than that they have the <i>wrong</i> color skin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that that&#8217;s your position, because it obviously isn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m just pointing out that recent events have proven your blanket assertion false.</p>
<p>I hope that that makes things a bit clearer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085129', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wilco</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085105</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I&#039;m not understanding you.
I make the argument that the group who attacked the white kid without any direct provocation was wrong, and you reply that I need to tell that to the kid who a group of white kids attacked a long time prior to that?
Why refute my argument unless you don&#039;t agree with it?
So please explain your point, then, so I can understand where you&#039;re coming from.  
Did the white victim in any way have the assault coming?  Did his attackers have the right to attack someone?
If no, why are you arguing with me, why should I &quot;tell it&quot; to the black guy who was attacked?  If he thinks the white guy had it coming for no other reason than being white, not having been one of the guys who attacked him, then I&#039;d be happy to tell it to his face.  Bring him on.  That kind of thinking isn&#039;t going to help him in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I&#8217;m not understanding you.<br />
I make the argument that the group who attacked the white kid without any direct provocation was wrong, and you reply that I need to tell that to the kid who a group of white kids attacked a long time prior to that?<br />
Why refute my argument unless you don&#8217;t agree with it?<br />
So please explain your point, then, so I can understand where you&#8217;re coming from.<br />
Did the white victim in any way have the assault coming?  Did his attackers have the right to attack someone?<br />
If no, why are you arguing with me, why should I &#8220;tell it&#8221; to the black guy who was attacked?  If he thinks the white guy had it coming for no other reason than being white, not having been one of the guys who attacked him, then I&#8217;d be happy to tell it to his face.  Bring him on.  That kind of thinking isn&#8217;t going to help him in life.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4085105', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/thinkfast-september-20-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4085099</link>
		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh...
hintler didn&#039;t even try to post at the
&quot;econ101&quot; thread...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh&#8230;<br />
hintler didn&#8217;t even try to post at the<br />
&#8220;econ101&#8243; thread&#8230;<br />
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