Fox News To Air One-Hour Petraeus Special On Saturday Night
Fox News To Air One-Hour Petraeus Special On Saturday Night
At 9 pm ET on Saturday, Fox News will air a one hour special about the top commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, who recently argued in Congressional testimony that President Bush’s “surge” in Iraq is working. The program, titled “American Commander: Gen. David Petraeus” and hosted by Jon Scott, will look at Petraeus’ “life and times”:
Today’s conflicts require that a modern American General be a student of history. In this one hour FOX News special, join veteran correspondent and anchor Jon Scott as we take an in-depth look at the life and times of General David Petraeus from his childhood in Cornwall, New York to his historic mission in Iraq.
Fox has gone all-out in aggressively boosting Petraeus and his Bush-friendly testimony. As Media Matters has noted, when Petraeus testified to the House on September 10, Fox featured seven pro-escalation analysts who gave favorable reactions to Petraeus’ testimony and only one critic. Watch a 90 second condensed version of Fox’s unbalanced coverage here:
Later that evening, Fox News Washington Bureau chief Brit Hume hosted an exclusive hour-long interview with Petraeus and Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker. In the interview, which Fox labeled “A briefing for America,” Hume gave Petraeus roughly 16 uninterrupted minutes to make his case, turning the Fox News “interview” into a powerpoint presentation on national TV.
Petraeus also sat down for an interview with Fox’s Chris Wallace on September 12.
President Bush has said, “People listen to Petraeus, not to me.” And Fox News is doing its part to make sure of that.
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Sorry can't watch it...Faux Non-news is blocked at my house.
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 6:09 pmGetting the royal treatment for future presidential grooming. I will try to watch this and check for the truth.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pmROFL, can Faux News get the RNC cock any deeper in their throats?
September 21st, 2007 at 6:14 pmThanks for advertizing this, repeated exposure will eventually convert viewers, as it clearly converted a few of the Senators who changed their vote on the Iraq War.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:16 pmI just made my first contribution to moveon.org today, because of that ridiculous sense of the Senate vote, and because of this kind of crap. If we can't depend on our free press to expose the lies, then we have to rely on other groups.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:16 pmFaux is no longer allowed anywhere near my presence...
September 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pmWhy Fox is made to be the chosen television network for Petraeus?
September 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pmIt's probably just as well that this tribute appears on FauxNews because the regular Fox viewers are going to be the only ones wasting their time watching it. I might be a little more concerned at the level of propaganda if it was going to appear on an actual network.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:19 pmThis will have all the same excitement and newsworthiness of Paris getting released from jail or maybe OJ's latest stunt in Vegas.
Faux sure has a way with those topix all Amerrikuns want to see, huh? Maybe it will follow an episode of Roid-rage Wrestling or a rerun of Dukes of Hazzards. Hee Haw!!
September 21st, 2007 at 6:20 pmFox Noise might as well annoint Gen. Petraeus the new Musharraf and let HIM run the country.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:21 pmLooks like at least two trolls here will have their eyes glued to their set when it comes on. Probably invite all their redneck friends over for a Fried Twinkie and beer party to celebrate!
September 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmHe will be promoted from four star status to the untouchable rank rank of Mother Teresa.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pm#12 upsidedown,
Make up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pmWhy don't they all just get together and have one big circle jerk?
PEACE
September 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmI hope Jason M. Hendler and CT are around to discuss the content of this show. I'm sure the General has the all american background and will be protrayed as the impressive soldier he is. I'll concentrate on his last 3 years.
Do you think they'll mention that on his watch 190,000 weapons dissappeared?
September 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pm#14: "Make up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype."
September 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pm- - The Republicans have a big tent, so they say.
The Bush station sometimes known as Fox is doing it's best to push this Generals believability up. Yes we know he gave the report that the White House was going to give. But like Bush said Americans don't believe a word he says because he's a known liar so let General Petraeus give the lies.
As none of the Republican candidates have any votes maybe the GOP will push General Petraeus to run as President based on his past record until he lied for the White House. Bush could give Petraeus his base of Christian Religious Family/Morals Values group. Right now Rudy has the famous criminal Ralph Reed working the churches again for money. Satan always returns to the Church.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:32 pmwelcome to the bottom of the barrel, General, please make youself comfortable, 'cause you're staying.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pm14 - they're one in the same JH - rich snobs and the poor rednecks who wish to become rich snobs
September 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmMake up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 21, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Just using the stereotypes provided by the BushCo Busllsh!t Department.
(And, I noticed you didn't deny planning to watch or having frid Twinkies and beer either.)
September 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmDid Fox "News" ever run a fluff piece bio on General Wesley Clarke?
September 21st, 2007 at 6:36 pmOf course not. Why is that?
Remember when Fox "News" was against the war in Bosnia? And how they tried to make us lose that war, just to make President Clinton look bad? And how they attacked General Clarke?
"catapult the propaganda" -gwb
September 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pmaaaw... our very own pravda...
September 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pm...
p.s. - the only people who will watch it are those dim enough to use Fox as a source of news, who already take all the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
next week, they'll be the only people who talk about it, and it will have done nothing to change Americans' minds about Betrayus's honesty, or the "war", or the War-Criminal-in-Chief.
losing, losing, lost - buh-bye righties.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pmMore "noise" from the Bushco propaganda machine! Everyone I know has a "fox blocker" on their sets. This station doesn't deserve to be recognized as a valid news station.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:39 pmTrust me, the word is out on Faux News and middle america knows they have a rep for being Bush's whores. Absolutely no one credible will be watching this "one trick pony" show.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:39 pmGet your official "fox blocker" today and let your voice of rejection and repudiation of their hypocrisy be heard!
September 21st, 2007 at 6:40 pmBetrayus betrayed this country by cherry picking data to try to say that the escalation in Iraq is working. He did this because he wants to be President and he thinks he needs Bush's backing in order to achieve this goal. Betrayus has politicized the military repeatedly starting when he interjected his personal views into the 2004 election. This is something that the military are not supposed to do, but no one complained. Now he is positioning himself, probably for a vice presidential position. It doesn't matter to him that what he is saying and what he is doing is hurting the troops he is supposed to be there to support. He doesn't care any more than Bush cares. They are all toy soldiers to him too.
Betrayus has gone over the line and has become evil.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmWill they be investigating just how General Petraeus received his "V" for valor on his bronze star?
September 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pmIt's been proven that Betrayus has misled the American people about the war. Only with the Fox News retards would this man have any credibility.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmselfish minded off topic, sorry...
is anyone out there using mac safari?
is so, try this link and tell me if it works for you, please:
http://www.airamerica.com/
thanks...
September 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmthis was posted this morning... very good:
How Dare You!
Wednesday, Sep. 19, 2007 By MICHAEL KINSLEY
Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].
Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. [...]
September 21st, 2007 at 6:52 pmhttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663424,00.html?cnn=yes
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General Petraeus may be a highly competent military man, but he's also a political operative. He's repeatedly injected his own opinion into the political arena. In 2004, on the eve of the U.S. national Presidential elections, he wrote an article in the Washington Post entitled "Battling For Iraq" in which he praised the Bush policy in Iraq and claimed that the Iraq strategy then was working (as even Republicans now admit was wrong) .
Then, Petraeus agreed to give an exclusive interview with the Australian press regarding Iraq in praise of the Bush policy just before the Australian national election.
And, of course, we know he appeared before the Senate on September 11th.
And his exclusive interview with the ultra right wing TV channel Fox on Brit Hume's show just confirms his political leanings.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:53 pm"Make up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 21, 2007 @ 6:28 pm"
I am going to have to agree with dippy ding dong here.
The upper crust (and I mean no offense to crust) are rich white people. The rest are poor redneck tools who thin that they will be rich someday. Both sections are idiots. That is what they have in common. So, you are right. We need to stop dividing the groups up and just call all of you what you really are, idiots.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:54 pmYes that page loads fine for me (Mac OS 10.4, Version 2.0.4)
September 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmI know, become airing anything pro-American really should be condemned.
Comment by CT
What a stupid thing to write. Bush and his group are not pro-America. They are the antithesis of America and what she stands (stood) for. Your little alter to Bush is crumbling and yet you still have silly nonsense to say? Why do you think Patreous went on 'fixed noise' for this coronation? Of all the lazy, bloated pundits why this one network. You know the one network Cheney goes on to lie to us. Just when I thought I found the worst troll out there, another one digs himself to the top to share his wisdom. Keep your wisdom. Sounds like you can use all you can get. What a tool.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmKaty,
I use a Mac (OS 10.4) and I dumped Safari ages ago. Switched to Firefox.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmSorry..but I think the NY Times ad by Move on.org was poorly crafted, to put it kindly. Let Moveon advertise the facts, and let the voters decide if they have been "betrayed".
September 21st, 2007 at 7:03 pmThe wording of this ad was a gift to the Republican "red herring brigade". Now people are talking about the Ad and not the War.
It's just like the Republicans did to Dan Rather...making it an issue of "phoney but true documents", and deflecting the facts of Bush's Vietr Nam War service.
#40 The ad poised a question, "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" so the public can and will make up its mind like the ad posited.
Belief that the surge is not working has gone UP since Petraus testified to Congress on the "surge".
September 21st, 2007 at 7:07 pmYes that page loads fine for me (Mac OS 10.4, Version 2.0.4)
Comment by wiseass.org — September 21, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
thanks... i am 10.3+ (?)... i wonder why it won't load for me...
have tried several days now...
krazny - AAR will load when i use firefox... not safari...
my puter prefers safari, otherwise...
anyone know what it is?
i get the message that says "safari cannot find the server..."...
may be time to restart...
September 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pm.
wiseass: Yes, indeed - the numbers have gone way UP since the Bush/Petreus "puppet show". The surge is not working and the books have been cooked....so what else is new with this administration of fiscal irresponsibility, lies, deceit, and downright negligence of their duties?? The ad has done more harm to the Repukes who are even betraying themselves with absolutely no self-respect these days as is General Sycophant here.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pmo s 10.3.9...
September 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmfyi
Amazing how no other station would touch this bogus bull$hit with a ten foot pole, isn't it? None other than the most fictionalized news program on the planet - Fox News! The stock in "Fox Blocker" has doubled and more people are blocking their brand of propaganda from their households.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmWe already know that Petreus "betray-ed" himself when he took the job as Bush's new poodle. No one else with a brain would take it.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:13 pmGen. BetrayUs on FOX News? I'm shocked. Just shocked.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:22 pm35 - Spudge - there's even scientific proof now, so calling them idiots isn't so much an insult as it is being honest and accurate. Everyone should read this one and pass it around:
http://www.alternet.org/story/62436
September 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm"Im surprised the demorunts havent managed to get anything passed…didnt they just suffer another defeat today?
The answer is yes, yes they did."
And another soldier was killed today in Iraq while this Bozo makes lame jokes. Yup, they really support the troops.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmPetraeus seems now to be the center of discussion over the Iraqi war issue.Whether intentional or not,the focus must remain on the Iraqi war issue itself.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:45 pmGetting things passed..and getting things past Bush...are two different things. We'll see if the Dems can get the CHIPS (children's healthcare) past a promised presidential veto.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:48 pmAs far as the Iraq war....barring some major catastrophic event...the course of the Iraq War will be decided in the 2008 Elections.
Gen. Petraeus may not have changed public support for the war very much...but he did keep republicans in congress from jumping ship. Without defections by Republicans, the democrats are left with rhetoric and positioning for the elections.
Meanwhile....no mention of Afghanistan.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pmFaux news: The Joseph Goebbels Memorial Ministry of Propaganda.
David Betrayus 2007 = William C. Westmoreland 1967.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:50 pmGeez, now Fox News is helping MoveOn.org raise ANOTHER half a million $ dollars?
All this does and want me contribute EVEN MORE to MoveOn.org.
Living it and loving it!
:-)
September 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pm50 : There'd have been plenty passed, had the crybabies and sore losers in the GOP not decided to take their toys and run home crying lies to Mommy about the mean ol'Dems.
If that's a strategy you can get behind and be proud of, good for you, but the blood of our soldiers and a bunch of foreign children is on your hands, not mine, and not the Dems in Congress.
We'll fix all that next fall.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmYup, they really support the troops. -Rovian turdblossom
Much like the Republicans who dont want them to spend time with their families. Support the troops, they repubs say, let them have no time with our family as we take a long break.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmSupport the troops send them into a proxy war between fundie muslimes from Iraq, Iran and the Saudis!! -Average Republican
September 21st, 2007 at 7:56 pmSupport the troops and the welfare muslim state that hates us! -Average Republican.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:56 pmYou know, with all this public discontent about the war, Im surprised the demorunts havent managed to get anything passed…didnt they just suffer another defeat today? The answer is yes, yes they did. _Rovian Orwellian Dupe
Yes, the Repubs went against popular American sentiment, D and R, to keep our troops in a quagmire [Admitted by Cheney in 1994] And to ignore the wisdom of Bush Sr. by being lemmings to Oedipus George.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pmShhhhh….no talk about Afghanistan….that is the dems ‘Good War’ and we are not allowed to discuss it. -Uncaring MORon
The fact is, folks, the Republicans botched that operation to capture Osama and stupidly went for regime change in Iraq, fulfilling Osamas desires.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:02 pmThe Republicans love Osama and do not care where he is.
#14. Make up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
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Repubs are actually both wealthy elites and ignorant slobs, in a symbiotic relationship. The wealthy elites need and manipulate the ignorant mouth breathers to consistently vote against their best interests, and the useful idiot mouth breathers need the wealthy elite to tell them how to think.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmA new faction of Repubs is forming it's genesis, and that is the "toe-tapping" Larry Craig types.
"Makes you wonder why the dems waited until after the August recess to start making a stink about the war again. They were supporting the troops, as you say, by taking a month off in hopes of building political momentum."
No wonder, except for the dull-witted. They were giving Bush one last chance; and given the stature of Petreaus, they couldn't confront him directly, since the wingnuts (and their media enablers on Disney/ABC and Fox) would have reacted then, just as they did to the MoveOn ad now, regardess of the provocation.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmWhy do the Repulbicans hate the voice of the people?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pm#14. Make up your mind - either Reps are wealthy snobs or poor rednecks - stick with a stereotype. Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Like Rush says?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:04 pmYou might as well flush your money down the toilet if youre giving it to MorOn. org Comment by Caring Liberal
Much like those folks that gave to Ralph Reed and Abramoff?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:06 pmComment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — September 21, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Yeah, just like you guys support the troops by being opposed to a measly 3.5% pay hike, which will be vetoed.
Just like your guy Coburn supports the troops by putting a hold on legislation that would address suicide and PTSD in returning troops.
Just like you support the troops by crowing about a political victory when a cloture vote on troop downtime fails.
I'm going to say I know of no progressive who isn't consistently pro-troop. I can't say that about publicans, who will trash and bash any attempt to address military issues in ways that are meant to help them. It sure wasn't conservatives who have fought for armored humvees and protective personal armor for troops. It was progressives who were outraged over Walter Reed when the conditions became known, while conservatives made excuses. Don't talk to me about supporting the troops. We know where the support comes from.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:06 pm"Shhhhh….no talk about Afghanistan….that is the dems ‘Good War’ and we are not allowed to discuss it."
Comment by Caring Liberal
Got Osama? Or Zawahiri? Or how about bumper crops of raw opium? Those heroin profits will do a lot to rearm those "friendly" warlords.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pmAnyhoo, the Republicans have decided that the general on the ground and actually in Iraq should have the say on how best to utilize the troops, not a bunch of democrat whiners warming the senate halls. Go figure. -Rovian turdblossom
But George, the non general is the deciderer! And BTW was Wolfowitz or Cheney generals? What about those sliderule policy 'experts' advisors? Generals? Nope. The current admin is nothing more than Mcnamaras.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:09 pm"I also know that its the dems who are proposing to split Iraq into three entities, completely bypassing the will of the Iraqi people as if they were insignificant."
Actually, many repubs are calling for partioning, but don't let that stop you from working up a good head of righteous steam against the dems.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:10 pmMoveOn was right, in that our incursion into Afghanistan has been a dismal failure.
Thanks for shooting your reactionary mouths off Righties, now I'm off to contribute myself. Good work, little bootlickers!
September 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pmI also know that its the dems who are proposing to split Iraq into three entities, completely bypassing the will of the Iraqi people as if they were insignificant. Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
You know? Prove it.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:12 pm"The dems certainly werent worried about impugning the “stature†of the general when talking about his impending testimony, as evidenced by the spurrious personal assaults against him before he said word one."
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Put up or shut up. You said "dems", so you won't have any trouble providing quotes to prove your point.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmBypassing the "will of the Iraqi people"???that's the problem. The Kurds want a seperate country. The Shiites want sharia law and friendly relations with Iran. The Sunnis want money, weapons, and their dominant position back. No one is touting any political progress in Iraq.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — September 21, 2007
The general has a history of appealing to the wishes of his boss. Thus his true report couldn't be aired.
Remember how many times the amout of trained INF troops numbers changed over the years?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:15 pmRemember everyone, "The Moveon ad was a huge failure".
That's what the "mainstream media" is trying to "program" us to believe.
But if the Moveon ad was such a colossal failure, then why does Fox "News" feel the need to create and air a fluff propaganda piece on General Petraeus?
Why is Fox "News" in damage control mode?
Also, in about a year or so, when everything that is happening now shakes out, I think we'll find out that Patraeus was totally full of shit, and we'll learn the details about how Bush and Gillespie were behind this entire scheme to use Patraeus' good name in order to allow Bush to "punt" the "surge" to the next President.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:16 pmWe all have to keep a real close eye on that sneaky bastard Ed Gillespie. He's as big a lying scum as Karl Rove.
Whatever you do, dont bring up MoveOn’s protest against military action in Afghanistan, even though the overwhelming majority of Americans favored it.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Wrong. You've been reading propaganda again.
Moveon.org did urge that retaliation be targeted at military bases and at those who attacked us, believing that excessive military force, if not limited to terrorist camps, could lead to unnecessary civilian death and suffering and further fan the flames of terrorism.
But maybe that's too complex a philosophy for you to comprehend.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:17 pmRovian buttstretch commander is oblivious to the fact that 46% of the insurgents are Saudi, as Osama is.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:17 pmOop, the kettle is whistling, cant wait to have a good steamy cup of tea.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Craig needs a tea-roomer. You go turdblossom.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:19 pmCaring Liberal do you really think senators voting against some tool bush nominated is going to have the result of bush going "well gosh, now I guess I'll nominate someone who wont say what I want them to say"?
The only affect voting against this guy would have had would be for bush to nominate another nut, and all the republicans would start braying about how people are going to die if we dont have a general soon...
quote one statement Brayus has ever made that shows hes not just mirroring the bush line.
can you name one thing he's said that hasnt been in exact agreement with bush?
one thing?
gates at least had the stones to admit "we arent winning" when bush was insisting we were...
and princeton? who cares? gonzales graduated from harvard law. nuff said.
the man can't even seem to remember what color the toilet paper he whiped his @ss with yesterday was...
oh, and Caring Liberal, any particular reason you've changed your name for this new forum? you sentence structure seems awfully familar....
September 21st, 2007 at 8:19 pmWhy is Fox “News†in damage control mode?
Comment by OxyCon — September 21, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Because George W. Bush is president. And I would call it "life support",instead of damage control.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pmYou mean like Bill Clinton, an Arkansas redneck who rose to be POTUS and is now a multimillionaire? What an idiot he is.
Comment by Caring Liberal
Just because Bill Clinton was born in Arkansas DOES NOT make him a redneck. How many redneck Rhodes Scholars do you know?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pm>But maybe that’s too complex a philosophy for you to comprehend.
It is. Bush cultists live in a world of black and white where if you don't agree with something 100 percent, you're on the other side...
September 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pm"Actually its the dems who are advocating that we enforce partitioning, not that we try and wrangle that strategy into the Iraqi political discourse."
Actually...
Slice Iraq into 3 states, Brownback recommends
Republican presidential contender Sam Brownback said Saturday that Congress should stop debating U.S. military withdrawal timetables and instead move forward with a plan to partition Iraq into three states.[...]
Someone should clue Brownback into the fact that he's now a democrat (well, at least according to Turd Burglar).
September 21st, 2007 at 8:22 pmGeneral Petraeus may be a highly competent military man
Highly competent military men DO NOT lose track of 190,000 weapons. Highly competent military men DO NOT become political operatives. Highly competent military men put their troops and their country first. General Betrayus IS NOT a highly competent military man.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:24 pm>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_arrests
"Those detained include the head of the security detail that was supposed to protect Sheik Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, who was killed in a bombing Sept. 13, police Lt. Col. Jubeir Rashid said.
Rashid said the security chief, Capt. Karim al-Barghothi, told police that al-Qaida in Iraq offered him $1.5 million but that he was arrested before he could collect the money."
oops. guess the united states isnt the only one playing the "let me buy your loyalty" game.
Exley, etc, how much of our tax money should we spend trying to outbid terrorists for the loyalty of the iraqi people?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:25 pm>drag any farmer caught growing the stuff to the soccer
>stadium and blow their head off.
Are you truly so naive as to think our "allies" in iraq arent usually equally brutall to those they suspect of being against them? Please tell me yes...
September 21st, 2007 at 8:27 pmBelief that the surge is not working has gone UP since Petraus testified to Congress on the “surgeâ€.
Not to mention Bush's poll numbers going down to 29%. Guess their little propaganda campaign didn't work this time. And for all the Republics who think that Bush gave them cover, you are going to see the error made in November 2008.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:27 pmIsn't "partitioning" Iraq the same as "restoring that region to what it was before the British drew a shape on a map after WWI and called it "Iraq"?
If so, I don't know why any reasonable person would oppose it. After all, we put Israel back onto the map to restore historical parity after WWII.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:27 pmI won't be watching it, as I have an unlimited number of much more interesting things to do, like trimming my toenails, and cleaning behind my refrigerator, etc.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:28 pm.
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Exley, etc, how much of our tax money should we spend trying to outbid terrorists for the loyalty of the iraqi people?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
It's the new, improved Welfare State as envisioned by republicans.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:28 pm"Im trying to remember why Joe became an independant…umm…oh thats right, the liberal base turned on him because he supported the war, even though his ‘liberal’ rating on every other issue hovered near 100%."
And now Joe's polling in the dog house.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:29 pmIt does make you wonder, would MoveOn have an ad decrying Barack as a warmonger?
Comment by Caring Liberal
Sorry jerkoff, someone saying that if you had actionable intel that al Queda was going to strike the US, you would go into Pakistan and take out Osama Bin Laden does not make someone a "warmonger"
Invading a country that was no threat to us to steal their oil, now that's a warmonger.
BTW, why hasn't Bush gone after Osama? Why did Bush let Osama's family fly out of the US two days after 911? Why did Bush ignore the PTB that told him al Quaeda was going to strike in the US?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:31 pmCL and RSC can't help but get all this horribly wrong, so let's agree to stop picking on them. Their brains, as has been proven scientifically (http://www.alternet.org/story/62436), do not function well, even when charged with the most elementary of tasks, and we really shouldn't pick on the handicapped.
You righties should look into securing some kind of protection under the Americans with Disabilities Act, before some other righties get it repealed. That may be your only hope for maintaining any kind of voice in the future of the Nation, not that I care much whether you have any at all.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmHow is in on the other side, Joe?
Comment by Caring Liberal
Not so good. He will never be re-elected. The people of Connecticut are on to him. They know he lied to them and they are not going to give him another chance. And that's why he's kissing up to the Republics. He wants to know that he will have a sweet lobbyist or "think tank" job waiting for him when he "retires".
September 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pmPerhaps because the Iraqis, after 75 years, might be willing to identify themselves as Iraqis first and their religious-sect second. Times change, maybe they just needed a push to finally recognize themselves as having a viable national identity.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
And maybe you can throw that piece of cheese hard enough that it will leave orbit.
Maybe you want to point to some actual evidence that the people living in this region have any "national identity" that includes anyone outside their own ethnic group. No? Wishing and hoping just doesn't cut it when it comes to nation building.
The people living within the borders of "Iraq" have never considered themselves Iraqis unless a dictator was telling them the did.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:41 pm> Perhaps because the Iraqis, after 75 years, might be willing
> to identify themselves as Iraqis first and their religious-sect second.
Perphaps aliens will come down in thier flying saucers, blast all the holy sites in iraq with a giant laser, and Sunnis and Shiias will unite to defeat them, just like Inpedenence Day, except with less jets, and more camels, RPG's, and toyata pickup trucks.
do you have any evidence this sectarian group hug pipe dream you have is actually occuring?
How well is the parliment doing making decisions as "iraqis first"?
Care to enlighten us about how well secular parties did in the last Iraqi election?
I love how you advocate basing waging wars on the basis of speculation.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pm“Our leaders are under tremendous pressure to act in the aftermath of the terrible events of September 11th,†the petition said. “We the undersigned support justice, not escalating violence, which would only play into the terrorists’ hands.â€
I dont see the words "taking action in afghanistan" anywhere in that statement.. could you point it out?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:44 pmIm trying to remember why Joe became an independant…umm…oh thats right, the liberal base turned on him because he supported the war, even though his ‘liberal’ rating on every other issue hovered near 100%.
How is in on the other side, Joe?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Lieberman's been a DINO for years, which is why the Republicans and "conservatives" have been saying for years that "He's the only Democrat I can respect." He never had a "liberal base"; he had a moderate to conservative base and a big chunk of that base walked away from him because he came out as a closet Republican. Which is why the Republican Party abandoned their own Senate candidate and pushed for Lieberman, who lost his party's respect and nomination to an actual liberal.
Do try to keep up.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pmWell CJ, you have to admit that the 13 original colonies would never have come together to form the USA had not the Hungarians invaded, killed half of them and left the other half as maimed refugees - how else would the Continental Congress ever have occurred?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:47 pm>Kind of shoots down the theory that the insurgents consist mostly of >nationalist Iraqis who want the ‘invaders’ out of Iraq.
Uhmmm...why? Just because they dont see iraq as a country that includes the opposing sect doesnt mean they dont want americans off their land.
I dont know what each of them calls the land under their feet, but I know that every poll says the majority of them want americans gone from it. If they democratically ask us to leave, we should , right?
> I realize that the left has unilaterally
>decided that the Iraqis are incapable
> of forming a nationalist identity
We lefty weirdos like to see a little thing called "evidence" before we beleive something is possible...weird.. I know... we asked you for evidence that these guys could get along in any signifigant manner. You say....
"but dont you at least want to give them a chance before writing them off?"
how many more of our tax dollars and lives should we spend giving them a chance to do something they've shown absolutely no inclination to do?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pmKind of shoots down the theory that the insurgents consist mostly of nationalist Iraqis who want the ‘invaders’ out of Iraq.
"Nationalist" is your word, and not one I've heard used in this context. No one appreciates having their land occupied by a foreign invader and other than in bad science fiction stories, it doesn't serve to unite the people living there, or at least no longer than it takes to drive out the invaders.
I guess that the insurgents are just fighting the American troops because they don't like those new desert camo outfits.
I realize that the left has unilaterally decided that the Iraqis are incapable of forming a nationalist identity or that anything good or decent cannot possibly spring from their land, but dont you at least want to give them a chance before writing them off?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
A chance? You mean like the last five years? Again with the "maybe" horse poop. Where is some evidence of that national unity? The "Iraqis" can't even put together a functioning parliament because they're too busy bickering with each other -- in some cases, for very good reason.
It's quite possible that something good can "spring from their land" but it's not going to happen while their country is being occupied and it's not going to happen as long as they allow century-old sectarian hatred to keep them apart. You'd like to impose some kind of fantasy love fest on people who have absolutely no reason to get along with one another, and it isn't going to work.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pmHow well is the parliment doing making decisions as “iraqis first�
Care to enlighten us about how well secular parties did in the last Iraqi election?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:55 pmThey said that because Joe is a respectful and likeable person. Lieberman voted liberal on all the key issues that rile up the base except for one, the war, and for that he was kicked to the curb.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Two words: bull sh!t. Quit trying to distort history; it's so recent that everyone else can see your ploy and it isn't working.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:55 pm>fantasy love fest
lol I like that term.. kudos... but come on.. I mean.... Saddam and his sons were evil, and they were opressing every other person in iraq.. thats why its ok we're making deals with his goons now..because they wernt the problem...saddam was.. everybody else in iraq except saddam and his sons is the "good guys".. although somehow I cant explain how the us military now claims that 70 percent of the people now attacking us are the "good guy" shia we liberated from mean ol saddam...
September 21st, 2007 at 8:58 pm>Odd that the most powerful military
>ever to walk the earth isnt simply
>bombing Iraqis cities to dust and
> bulldozing the corpses into mass graves,
are you truly so naive as to think that the United States could do this and not face serious economic repercussions from many many other countries?
any past oil embargos come to mind? are you truly so arrogant as to think theres no way the united states could be economincally crippled by becoming a pariah...? maybe you are
September 21st, 2007 at 9:01 pmAgain, dont you at least want to give them a chance to learn that a better system can be gained, hopefully by a few of the more secular leaders who might step into the light?
There are no more Mandelas.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:07 pmAgain, dont you at least want to give them a chance to learn that a better system can be gained, hopefully by a few of the more secular leaders who might step into the light? Why the hurry to write them off?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 21, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
79% Iraqis oppose the presence of coalition forces.
47% Iraqis favor immediate withdrawal.
Why the paternal insistence that they can't choose their own destiny?
September 21st, 2007 at 9:13 pmYou just dont get it do you CL? They dont want Jeffersonian Democracy and they are not about to have it shoved down their throats. Only 8%, after all these years, of Baghdad is controlled by the INF.
This 'Freedom Operation' has worked to undermine democracy in the middle east. It is a setback. If you cared about the people who liuved under Saddam you wouldn't bomb them.
Redeploy our troops to the border areas to defend against insurgents and let them come to their own terms.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:17 pm117 - "CJ" was my addressing of that post to "Chocolate Jesus". Had I intended it for you, I'd have typed "CL", to denote "Caring Liberal".
Funny, that was a perfect instance of the kind of conservative cognitive deficiency researchers were able to identify in the study described in this article: http://www.alternet.org/story/62436
Thanks, C-L, for helping keep me a steely warrior for truth and justice, and serving as a case-in-point like no hypothetical ever could.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:21 pmnot killing or contributing to the death of someone arbitrarily in the streets = writing them off
that's a new one on me.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe Right has held tight to the myth that the only reasons we lost in Vietnam were the low caliber of draftees, and that as a country we lost the political will to win. In Iraq, placing faith in a "newer, more agile" fighting force of enlistees to do the hard work of nation-building, brings to the fore a situation much worse than Vietnam. The Right needs to have their noses bloodied on the cold hard fact that Iraq will eventualy fail despite our best efforts not because it was too hard, or because the caliber of troops in the fight were substandard, but because it was never going to work in the first place. Chaos will descend; the fighting will be bloodier than any we've yet seen, and we can only postpone the inevitable collapse, not prevent it. This all will happen because conservatives refuse to internalize a few simple facts: you cannot install democracy by invading a sovereign country, and you cannot torture without poisoning the people against you.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:25 pmBarfly, everyone knows that if we'd cared enough about the Cambodians to keep killing them for a few more years, the Soviets wouldn't have taken over the whole world with their dominoes of mass indoctrination. Let's not make that tragic mistake again.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:28 pmTo the issue which I stated and to which you responded, MoveOn circulated a petition against taking action in Afghanistan:
“Our leaders are under tremendous pressure to act in the aftermath of the terrible events of September 11th,†the petition said. “We the undersigned support justice, not escalating violence, which would only play into the terrorists’ hands.â€
I agree with what they said and I signed the petition. Violence begets violence as we have clearly seen happen in the middle east. What happened in New York was a crime and it was a crime that needed to be addressed as a crime. It was not another nation attacking us, it was a bunch of thugs who attacked us. There was no "war" so why should we have started a retaliatory war. Exactly what did it accomplish? The Taliban are stronger than ever and Osama is sitting in Pakistan laughing his head off watching Bush do his dirty work for him. Osama doesn't need to destroy this country, Bush is doing it for him.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:32 pm124 - Candyce - Self-determination, like the Geneva Conventions, is a quaint notion in our post 9/11 world. It should be reserved for use only by Republicans who want to de-stabilize foreign governments that don't want to play ball with our corporate concerns. Other uses of the notion, like yours, are simply defeatist left wing talking points that can only serve to undercut our troops morale, and signal to the enemy that we have capitulated, and welcome their imposition of Sharia law on all of us, effective immediately.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pmI can honestly say that I wont be watching it.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:44 pm"....justice, not escalating violence, which would only play into the terrorists’ hands.â€
how prophetic was that??????
certainly a lot moreso than anything Bill Kristol has ever had to say about anything, ever.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:45 pmWhat happened in New York was a crime and it was a crime that needed to be addressed as a crime. It was not another nation attacking us, it was a bunch of thugs who attacked us. There was no “war†so why should we have started a retaliatory war.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 21, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Yeah, those 19 guys died. ALL those who had a part in it were dead. There was no one left who bore any responsibility or who might carry out other attacks. No need to react. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:19 pmFAUXNOIZ = Betrayal to truth = synonyms
September 21st, 2007 at 10:20 pm"Yeah, those 19 guys died. ALL those who had a part in it were dead. There was no one left who bore any responsibility or who might carry out other attacks. No need to react. "
Comment by upright left
How do we know who was on those flights Bush authorized to leave the country, while the rest of the country was grounded? You're pretty free with your fact-free assertions.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pmHow do we know who was on those flights Bush authorized to leave the country, while the rest of the country was grounded? You’re pretty free with your fact-free assertions.
Comment by barfly — September 21, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Wouldn't matter if osama himself left the country, now would it? Doesn't change the validity of my statement. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pmAnd afterward, will be the beginning of his campaign for president 2012. Gen. Petraeus has set his goal on the White House and that may explain his making a deal with the devil in his political posturing this week.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmFunny, that was a perfect instance of the kind of conservative cognitive deficiency researchers were able to identify in the study described in this article: http://www.alternet.org/story/62436
Comment by tombaker — September 21, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Interesting that the test was difficult enough for libs to keep them engaged. Their brains really had to work at it. Conservatives require something a little more substantive to hold their attention. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:40 pmConservatives require something a little more substantive to hold their attention. ;)
Comment by upright left
Like a good scary story about ruthless dictators, Drones of death, and a trip down the yellowcake road; oh my!
September 21st, 2007 at 10:43 pmLike a good scary story about ruthless dictators, Drones of death, and a trip down the yellowcake road; oh my!
Comment by barfly — September 21, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Well, if that's the best you can come up with, ok. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:44 pmHey upright, the boogey man will get you...watch out for the terrorist who is going to attack your trailer park.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:45 pm"Well, if that’s the best you can come up with, ok."
Ask today's dead soldier if he thinks that's funny - oh, wait... I forgot; he's dead.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:47 pmHey upright, the boogey man will get you…watch out for the terrorist who is going to attack your trailer park.
Comment by kasinca — September 21, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
I'm quite safe from terrorists, thanks. You should see someone about that boogey man idea of yours. And, again, from the party of inclusion, a trailer park reference. Your insults of choice are either to accuse someone of being gay or being poor. Aren't those the people you claim to support? ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:49 pm"And, again, from the party of inclusion,"
But 9/11 changed everything!
We ain't your grandpappy's liberals. We don't give you a free pass to spout
September 21st, 2007 at 10:52 pmAsk today’s dead soldier if he thinks that’s funny - oh, wait… I forgot; he’s dead.
Comment by barfly — September 21, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
What does that have to do with your previous flaky comment? ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:52 pmHey upright, how do you know who I claim to support? Hell I support you being a wacko but I also support my right to laugh at idiots.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pmYeah, those 19 guys died. ALL those who had a part in it were dead. There was no one left who bore any responsibility or who might carry out other attacks. No need to react. ;)
Comment by upright left
So you are assuming that the 19 men on the planes planned and financed the operation all on their own. That's highly unlikely. It's even possible that Osama bin Laden financed and planned the attacks. I say "possible" because it has never been proven. Funny thing, though, there has been NO investigation into who planned and financed 911. I wonder why that is?
September 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pmI will NOT watch this FOX news report kissing a General's butt to help Bush.
September 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pmBut 9/11 changed everything!
We ain’t your grandpappy’s liberals. We don’t give you a free pass to spout
Comment by barfly — September 21, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
So 9/11 means it's ok for libs to insult people by calling them poor while claiming that conservatives only care about the rich? It's getting late on a Friday evening, fly. Been drinking? You're not making a lot of sense. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmSo you are assuming that the 19 men on the planes planned and financed the operation all on their own. That’s highly unlikely.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 21, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
I'M assuming that? That was sarcasm in response to your post. ;)
September 21st, 2007 at 10:59 pmFAUXNOIZ? If you want the truth, watch Keith Olbermann or John Stewart...they are the only two who are not on the administration payroll.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhat has the crime family told the truth about in the past six years? If the White House announced before Betrayus appeared before Congress that he would be reporting after they put their dirty hands on the report, how do you believe his lies? Dubya is using the military to support his lies. I will send more money to moveon.org.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:09 pmThis country will never be destroyed by a foriegn enemy but it may be destroyed by the fascist who destroy the constitution and the fourth estate by use of fear and starting and continuing wars for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies. Look at the current situation. This is a fear based administration, this crime family of thugs.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:16 pmMessage to Republicans:
Please continue clinging to Bush & Petraeus and the failure in Iraq. Your embracement of this disaster already lost you both the House and the Senate. Please continue your attacks on people and organisations dedicated to telling the truth. You only stir the spirits of the Americans' voice you choose to ignore. That's OK, you already know we can vote for people who represent us. The more you snub your nose at us, the more we grow in opposition and become resolute.
Thanks and Have A Nice Day
September 21st, 2007 at 11:59 pmAhhhh.... I actually bursted out loud in laughter after reading that.
Unbelievably believable :-P.
~Sean
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:08 amIke,
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 amhe aint.
OK, if he has done something wrong, why wont your gutless Congress do anything about it?
Comment by ron — September 22, 2007 @ 1:25 am
because YOUR gutless, brainless, unpatriotic group of child molesters and perverts has prevented any positive action for nearly 7 years. Nothing can be done with a 1-vote majority in the Senate, and nothing positive will be done for Americans until the Dems have a veto-proof majority, next year. Then we'll sit back and watch your tears flow. And, unlike you anti-American tools, we'll take down the dems that are aiding and abetting the GOP party of treason.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 amCongress' approval ratings are only that low because Bush and Cheney are still in office. If they were to move to get rid of that pair of traitors, their numbers would be above 70%. Be careful what you wish for!
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 am160 - Because GOP roadkill is blocking the way. Fortunately, the vultures are working on clearing the obstruction.
Gutless is hiding behind our troops to make money, which is what Cheney and his Chickenhawk brigade are busy doing.
...and people thought the Manson Family was the ultimate American nightmare!!
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:38 amnot only are righties slow in the brainpans, they tend, a little too often for a parent's comfort, to be kiddie-diddlers. smart parents nowadays are keeping their kids away from church camps and gop fundraisers.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 amWhy dont you have headlines like this on TP, is it because most of the audience will be ‘for’ this guy and vote the same way most of you guys do?
Comment by ron — September 22, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Irrelevant, fact-challenged, strawman arguments are it for you? that's all you have? wow, somebody's inflating the Bush approval numbers a lot.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 amso Columbia U is as guilty as grandpappy Prescott Bush was for patty-caking with the 3rd Reich. that's huge, Ron - you and Glennnnn Beck should team up with Chuck Norris to "do something about it"
some of us don't forget that Dubbies' clan has always been special, hand-holding, face-kissing buddies with the Saudis (nearly all the 911 jackers were Saudi, Ron), nor do we forget that one of the first foreign visitors hosted by Dubbie was a PR crew of Taliban guys. It was in the news Ron.
we don't kiss terrorists around here, Ron. your guys do.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:53 amwe don’t kiss terrorists around here, Ron. your guys do.
republicans create terrorists, and when they are discovered as terrorists, the republicans arm and fund them. Not very American, not very security-conscious. republicans are always weak on national security; they should be kept away from it entirely.
September 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 amRon, speaking of Nazi Germany, care to give us your knowledge of the Bush family involvement with Nazi Germany?
>Care to enlighten us about
> how well secular parties
>did in the last Iraqi election?
>Not very well, then again the expectation that the Iraqis are going to form >a Jeffersonian democracy right off the bat is naive.
Uhm.....really? So now the only way a democracy can be "jeffersonian" is if its secular?
>Again, dont you at least want to give them a chance to
>learn that a better system can be gained,
Better in whose eyes? Yours? Better = non-islamic, right? Again, can you point to ANYTHING that indicates that there is any sort of trend or aspiration to secular, non-islamic values in that country?
> hopefully by a few of the more secular leaders
> who might step into the light?
they stepped up. they lost miserably. there is absolutely no indication that they would do any better in the future. the nation is pretty much dividing up along sectarian lines.. if they are any trends, its in the opposite direction of your fantasies..
> Why the hurry to write them off?
You DO know that this is costing us about a billion dollars and two dozen of our soldiers lives a week huh? Does that matter to you? I assume that you, like Bin Laden, think that taxes are too high in this country. Care to explain how we are going to pay to continue waiting for these guys to MAYBE, POSSIBLY form some fantasy democracy?
Again, I ask you, can you, or any of your idiot friends on this board point to ANY evidence that this fantasy about a secular, unified, pro-western government has a real chance of materializing?
September 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 amSo, how does this fit into FoxNews's "fair and balanced" bulls-- I mean, self-description? I certainly hope that MoveOn.org pushes back against this blatant HOUR-LONG ADVERTISEMENT by FoxNews. If there's any justice, one of those brave Senators who chose to vote FOR free speech and free press will push for a formal Senate resolution condemning FoxNews for this little cheerleading ploy. (I don't expect such a resolution to pass but, as they say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.)
September 22nd, 2007 at 4:44 amI think it is time to re-examine why we even permit FOX to exist. We, the people, own the airwaves, not FOX. We, the people, provide free easements for the cable to go over or under our land. We, the people, developed the rocketry and launched the satelites with public expenditures. We must demand that our media serve us or lose the privledges we permit.
It is time to remember that we are citizens and not merely consumers.
September 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 amPeter C - FOX News exists for the same reason any media exists including left leaning media like MSNBC and CNN, the Constitution. To shut down any media in this country is to force the shutdown and government takeover of all media in this country - is that what you want?
September 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 amHeymack, you're full of it. FOX is owned by an enemy of America, a foreign national, in the first place. In the second place, neither MSNBC nor CNN leans even a little to the left, even though this country does. So, as I said, you're full of it. FOX should be dismantled, and its treasonous mouthpieces jailed.
September 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 am#160--Turn your strawman comment in reverse...if he hasn't done anything wrong, bring forward the documentation that he and his crime family is hiding, you moron. You are obviously in the 29% made up of knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, troglodytes, who still stand behind this worthless little fake man.
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 am171-FOX News exists for the same reason any media exists
Wrong. FAUXNOIZ is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is a cable company. It is there to spew the bull crap of the crime family.
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 amBack when the FCC was a real regulatory agency, broadcasters and publishers had to demonstrate they were serving a standard of service to the community.
Then again, back when the SEC was a real regulatory agency, corporations had to demonstrate how their existence would materially contribute to the common good, too - look how far from that we've slid.
Now all anyone has to do is make $, and lots of it, and if people's kids gett poisoned or they get lied to in the process, "that's just part of the game".
I wouldn't wish death-by-hamburger-e.coli on anyone's kid - not even a righty's.
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pm#171 government takeover of all media in this country - is that what you want?
Comment by Heymack — September 22, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Hey wise guy, what do you think the crime family is trying to do with their propaganda network, FAUXNOIZ and that lard assed, drug addled, gas bag, on the radio for the past twenty years? Go get some perspective on reality.
September 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pmactually, government takeover of the media is what we've had since 2000.
takeover and regulation are different things. too subtle a distinction for the righty brain, i guess. like telling "M's" from "W's"
September 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm…and people thought the Manson Family was the ultimate American nightmare!!
Comment by tombaker — September 22, 2007 @ 1:38 am
i heard it before... wish it would catch on... a new meme:
G O P - MANSON FAMILY VALUES
.
Someday, we’ll find out that Fox has had an ongoing secret relationship with this administration for the last seven years.
Comment by comity — September 22, 2007 @ 11:44 am
that cat is out of the bag... nothing secret about it...
.
actually, government takeover of the media is what we’ve had since 2000.
Comment by tombaker — September 22, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
reagan deregulated tel corps... clinton finished the deal in 98...
September 22nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmhis biggest mistake, that i can think of...
an actual big clinton mistake... oh, and nafta, of course...
...
Do you think they'll ask Petraeus to account for all those unaccounted weapons?
September 22nd, 2007 at 4:02 pmOr what happened to the $9 billion that has vanished?
Do you think they'll ask if Hannity can be his presidential campaign manager?
Gen. David Petraeus is where he is because he is the epitome of a Yes Man. He most likely will be found to be a True Believer in his Glorious Leader. Much Like Gen. Boykin was.
"An a**-kissing little chicken s*** ... I hate people like that."
Admiral William Fallon talking about General David Petraeus
"You are only interested in your career and provide no support to your staff — no mission support and you don’t care."
Colonel Ted Westhusing to General David Petraeus
"Colonel Ted Westhusing was a West Point ethics professor who volunteered for service in Iraq and was assigned to keep an eye on the USIS mercenary corporation for Petraeus, who was then a three-star lieutenant general. Westhusing made strong allegations of corruption against the corporation, and of careerism against his commander. Shortly afterward, on June 5, 2005, he died from a bullet wound to the head. The Bush military and Bush media claimed that he was a suicide. He is the most senior officer to have died in Iraq.
Specialist Alyssa Peterson was a Mormon missionary before volunteering for the Army in the wake of 9/11. She studied Arabic in the same Defense Language Institute where I studied Russian some two decades ago, and was serving in Iraq as an interrogator in September of 2003. This is when Major General Geoffrey Miller began to "Gitmo-ize" the interrogation system in Iraq with the torture tactics later exposed at Abu Ghraib and other detention facilities. Spec. Peterson refused to go along with the new program, and two days later, on Sept. 15, 2003, official records state that she died from a "non-hostile weapons discharge." Later on, they said that she was a suicide.
"Sergeant Omar Mora and Sergeant Yance Gray died together in a vehicle accident on Monday, Sept. 10, the first day the Petraeus performance. They were two of the seven noncoms from the 82nd Airborne Division who last month co-wrote an op-ed for the New York Times that contradicted the Bush/Petraeus urge to surge. Another of the co-authors, Staff Sergeant Jeremy Murphy, was shot in the head while the piece was still pending with editors."
Source -
Captain Eric H. May, Military Correspondent
Peace.
September 22nd, 2007 at 4:53 pmthey killed pat tillman for less reason than that.
but they've also learned, though jfk, bobby, and martin, that killing them at home to keep profiting at home draws an uncomfortable amount of attention. for now, moores and olbermans and sheehans and greenwalds can keep telling it - things get a little more sketchy though, and we can look forward to them falling, one by one, to "apparently unrelated chains of events"
dick and rummy (and old g.h.w.b) know an awful lot of awfully spooky people - they've made careers of it. Now, in the autumns of their lives, with very little to lose, they're playing all the cards they've stuffed up their sleeves these long years. no pawn will jam up the plan for them.
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:05 pmGen. David Petraeus for President is this what fox is preping for? He is no Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower.
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmprepping
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 pmbut they’ve also learned, though jfk, bobby, and martin, that killing them at home to keep profiting at home draws an uncomfortable amount of attention. for now, moores and olbermans and sheehans and greenwalds can keep telling it - things get a little more sketchy though, and we can look forward to them falling, one by one, to “apparently unrelated chains of eventsâ€
Comment by tombaker — September 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Are you able to live a normal life wth this degree of paranoia? ;)
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmI've no need for paranoia. I'm of too little consequence to be a target.
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 am"Are you able to live a normal life wth this degree of paranoia?" said the WMD bedwetter.
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amI guess that would be "asked," and not "said."
Another happy-hour casualty.
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 amI guess that would be “asked,†and not “said.â€
Another happy-hour casualty.
Comment by barfly — September 23, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Enough said! ;)
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:28 amIf we're haters, then what are people who get all those Iraqi kids and Grandmas killed?
If we're haters, then what are the people who torture?
If we're haters, then who runs Gitmo?
If we're haters, then what are the NRA guys with "kill'em all and let god sort'em out" stickers on their trucks?
September 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 pmSpeaking of FOX News hypocrisy and framing did anyone catch this interview Chris Wallace did with Hillary Clinton? Some of his questions were so pointed and attack-oriented that Clinton actually burst out laughing:
FOX News Makes Clinton Laugh
September 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=ea3221fd-09c8-486f-8e1d-06af32bb9419
Oh, goody goody gumdrops!! I can't WAIT!!
Not.
September 24th, 2007 at 6:05 pm