Nelson Mandela Foundation confirms ‘Mandela is alive.’
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Nelson Mandela Foundation confirms ‘Mandela is alive.’
In his press conference yesterday, President Bush inartfully gave the impression that Saddam Hussein had killed former South African President Nelson Mandela, saying “Somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, ‘Now, where’s Mandela?’ Well,
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Apparently, Bush’s awkward phrasing led enough people to worry about the former president’s well-being that the Nelson Mandela Foundation needed to “reassure” people that he is still alive. “It’s out there. All we can do is reassure people, especially South Africans, that President Mandela is alive,” Achmat Dangor, chief executive officer of the foundation, told Reuters.
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Mandela better watch out.
Bush doesn’t like to be proven wrong.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhew. Now Bush can get back to the business of governing the country!
September 21st, 2007 at 5:13 pmWatch out President Mandela, Bush won’t admit to mistakes, watch yer back. (don’t shake his hand either)
Ignore the “it”
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 5:14 pmhehehe. I remember some troll telling me that Bush was his idol…
I think it was him or Mike Tyson.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:15 pmI think James Taranto put it best:
In context, it is clear that the literal meaning of “Where’s Mandela?” is “Where is the Iraqi who will play the role in his country that Mandela played in postapartheid South Africa?” This was a pithy metaphor, not an “embarrassing gaffe.”
Now, how did Reuters get the story wrong? There are, it seems to us, three explanations:
Stupidity. The reporter was so bone-headedly literal-minded that he simply did not understand the rhetorical device Bush was employing.
Laziness. The reporter wasn’t actually at the press conference and didn’t bother to check the context of the quote.
Dishonesty. The reporter knew full well that Bush was speaking metaphorically and deliberately twisted his meaning in order to fit the stereotype that Bush “has a reputation for verbal faux pas.”
In terms of the Reuters story, laziness is the most likely answer. It’s datelined Johannesburg, so the reporter surely was not at the press conference. But ultimately the explanation for the “worldwide coverage” this “gaffe” has received is either stupidity or dishonesty. Some journalist either failed to understand or deliberately misrepresented Bush’s remark.
And the joke is on people who gullibly eat this stuff up.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:15 pm“The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”
September 21st, 2007 at 5:15 pmcmon didnt we beat this ‘horse’ to death yesterday?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:16 pmDid people really think he was literal? I thought it was pretty clear it was a screwed up metaphor.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:16 pmI think James Taranto put it best:
too bad they didnt get him to read it out load in place of bush speaking – maybe ppl wouldnt make fun of bush if he could even repeat verbatim an idea without butchering it
September 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pmis exley our new repugnican apologist? is that you jake?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:18 pmPeople can forgive one or two mutilated metaphors. The tolerance decreases dramatically when the “leader of the free world” cannot adequately articulate a thought, and falls even lower when people realize that his malapropisms can fill a book. I mean, one wonders how many diplomatic meetings he’s completely screwed the pooch on because of his inability to thing coherently.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:18 pmThe guy said: Mandela´s dead.
There.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:19 pmAnother good quote about this Reuters’ reporter’s gaffe:
“When George Bush’s metaphors are too complex for you to understand, a career in journalism may be beyond your capacities…. But not beyond your reach!”
September 21st, 2007 at 5:19 pmAnd the joke is on people who gullibly eat this stuff up.
Comment by Exley — September 21, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
No, the joke is on you, Exley. You still don’t get that the whole point of this was that Bush is a babbling fool. The rest of us have gotten damn few laughs since January 2001. Poking fun at the bozo is the best we get.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:20 pmComment by Exley — September 21, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Yes, it was a metaphor. Yes, we know that Bush didn’t really believe that Saddam had killed Nelson Mandela. What we have been laughing at is how awkwardly Bush used the metaphor.
Sort of like how Kerry completely botched his line about how if you don’t study hard you wind up in Iraq. It was obvious what he meant, but his handling of it was so awkward that everybody had a field day with it.
And admittedly we are entertained by these goofs. Why do you think bloopers shows are popular?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:21 pmI also wonder at the Bush apologists’ statements of “So what, it’s just a mangled metaphor, big deal” in context with ten years ago and the fury and uproar over things like “what the definition of ‘is’ is”. Hypocrisy is apparently the birthright of the neocon movement.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:22 pmbecause of his inability to thing coherently.
Comment by Race Condition — September 21, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
exactly…drives me crazy
September 21st, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd the joke is on people who gullibly eat this stuff up.
Comment by Exley — September 21, 200
Exley admits that these speeches are a waste of time, for the gullible, what a great way to lead Ex.
Fact is Exley, I dont watch them. Never have. Never will.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:23 pmexactly…drives me crazy
Comment by bob h — September 21, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
onoes typoes! Clearly the baby must be thrown out with the bathwater. :)
September 21st, 2007 at 5:24 pmlike football…i only watch the highlights, everyhting else is a waste of time…lol
September 21st, 2007 at 5:24 pmexactly…drives me crazy
Comment by bob h — September 21, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
onoes typoes! Clearly the baby must be thrown out with the bathwater. :)
Comment by Race Condition — September 21, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
which is the joke within the ironic post eh? lol
September 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmif that quote was written, with the proper punctuation,
September 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmthe same way it was spoken,
there would be no question as to why some were
actually worried that mandela was indeed dead…
…
I wonder if Gallup had a poll how many poeple would now think Saddam had Nelson Mandela killed.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:28 pmProbably about the same amoun that think Saddam had something to do with 9/11.
What is is?
What happened happened.
What transpired transpired.
What was was.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pmWeller Aide Pushes Reporter Down The Stairs
By Eric Kleefeld – September 21, 2007, 4:39PM
It looks like Congressman Jerry Weller (R-IL) — the son-in-law of a former Central American dictator — is going out in style.
After Weller’s retirement announcement today, CBS Chicago political editor Mike Flannery and a camera crew followed Weller and asked him about a suspicious land deal in Nicaragua that some believe may have led to Weller’s sudden retirement. Weller’s aides, who surrounded him as a sort of security squad, got messy:
“There’s a large man, who begins shoving reporters around, including yours truly. He shoves me one way, then he goes after another reporter with CLTV … There’s an opening in the doorway, and I begin moving through that doorway, and he shoves me down the stairs; he shoves me into a railing on the staircase and also into a woman in on the staircase who was traveling with Weller,” Flannery said.
Weller then began yelling at the reporters on camera, threatening to call the police against them for having pushed the woman.
Flannery says he plans to press charges against the Congressman’s staffer.
who says the repugs arent full to the gills with thugs these days – heres one
September 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pmI don’t think there are ellipses enough in the world to properly punctuate and dictate the quote as it was spoken, katy.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pmHe’s The Metaphorizer.
And yes, we are all expert at deciphering his mangled attempts to speak English by now, but the last sentence in the linked article explains why it’s important to keep dimwits out of the WH.
“References to his death — Mandela is now 89 and increasingly frail — are seen as insensitive in South Africa.” Something the trolls seem to have missed in their rush to defend idiocy.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pmDid people really think he was literal? I thought it was pretty clear it was a screwed up metaphor.
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 21, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
While most people probably didn’t think he was being literal, most people already discredit whatever comes out of Bush’s mouth because he has no credibility in the first place.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:30 pmFOX . . . NEWS . . . ‘ALERT’ !!!
america . . . don’t pay your cable bill.
maybe they’ll finally die out.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:30 pmWhat is wrong with you? I said it yesterday. You ignored it. The quip was a dysphemism. Like I said yesterday and I’ll add to it this time: If the Mandela organization felt the need to clarify then you belong in the evangelical literal reader club. If you can’t see the whole for its parts you shouldn’t be writing words other people can read. It is just plain stupid.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pmLets see Exley´s great moments:
1) White Phosphorous is not a chemical weapon.
2) Waterboard is not torture.
3) Saddam had to do with 9/11.
4) It was ok to torture Leninist Marxists in Chile
5) There were WMDs in Iraq
6) Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda terrorists
7) We are gullible. He is not.
Heh.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pmlike football…i only watch the highlights, everyhting else is a waste of time…lol
Comment by bob h — September 21, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
oh no you don’t!
September 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pmdo NOT forget the MARCHING BANDS!!!
THAT is why god made football…
…
well, college football…
…
Damn, Exley. The man said “He’s dead”. And you feel the need to reword his botched up language.
That’s as funny as being scared of horses.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pmHey, Juan, I was not the one who misunderstood a pretty straightforward metaphor and then embarassingly misreported it on a world-wide news service, like the Reuters reporter did.
Oh, and your list is inaccurate (as usual)…And with that,, it is is Friday….Work is done…Time for happy hour! Later, all…
September 21st, 2007 at 5:35 pmDont forget to come back to amuse us, Ex.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:38 pmIs Bill Sammon Also A Gay Prostitute?
By Oliver Willis on September 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
This week the role of Jeff Gannon will be played by conservative “journalist” Bill Sammon, of the Washington Examiner and formerly of The Washington Times and regular Fox News contributor.
seems we werent the only ones thinking along these lines…sheesh is bush actually gay?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:38 pmSomeone else could also say this…
“Where’s Mandela? Well, Mandela’s dead. George Bush invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of Mandelas. Those that he didn’t kill fled the country. Bush is a brutal tyrant that divided people up and split families.”
Of course everyone would know that that was merely a rhetorical device since GWB hasn’t the courage to set foot into Iraq unless he’s heavily guarded and carrying a plastic turkey.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:39 pmHey, Juan, I was not the one who misunderstood a pretty straightforward metaphor and then embarassingly misreported it on a world-wide news service, like the Reuters reporter did.
Oh, and your list is inaccurate (as usual)…And with that,, it is is Friday….Work is done…Time for happy hour! Later, all…
Comment by Exley — September 21, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
heavy drinking made bush what he is ex, not a prezzie, his dad did that, it made him retarded. so drink up.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:39 pmGo get a bunch of beers to cry in Exley your gonna need em when 09 comes around.
Ignore the “it”
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 5:40 pmMandela is alive, and Bush is dead (above the neck, that is).
September 21st, 2007 at 5:40 pmGood point Dave C – Bush is truly the Divider not a Uniter. But thinks he is the Decider. Or as Psycho Pres says – Decidering Guy.
Ignore the “it”
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 5:42 pm…your gonna need em when 09 comes around.
I’m amazed that some Americans still believe that their elections aren’t fixed. Rove may be gone but his plans are still in place. Between voter caging, electronic voting, missing ballots, destroyed ballots you don’t stand a chance. I’m betting that even McCain could win in 2008. Your democracy is as much of a sham as that of Iraq.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:42 pmBush makes another first class buffoon out of himself in public. What the heck is he drinking anyway?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:42 pmOh, and your list is inaccurate (as usual)…And with that,, it is is Friday….Work is done…Time for happy hour! Later, all…
Comment by Exley — September 21, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
It’s the “conservatives” that always blather about how the libruls are all slackers who can only find government jobs, sucking on the public teat.
Yet it’s always the “conservatives” who post all their comments from work. (Always assuming that the actual posting isn’t their “work,” of course.)
“Yep. Well, my boss doesn’t pay me to blog from home, so I’m heading for the bar. See y’all back here first thing Monday morning.”
September 21st, 2007 at 5:43 pmI don’t think there are ellipses enough in the world to properly punctuate and dictate the quote as it was spoken, katy.
Comment by Race Condition — September 21, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
oh yea… i could do it:
“I thought an interesting comment was made, somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, “Now, where’s Man-del-a?  … Well, Mandela’s dead. … … because… … Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas… heh…”
September 21st, 2007 at 5:44 pm…your gonna need em when 09 comes around.
I’m amazed that some Americans still believe that their elections aren’t fixed. Rove may be gone but his plans are still in place. Between voter caging, electronic voting, missing ballots, destroyed ballots you don’t stand a chance. I’m betting that even McCain could win in 2008. Your democracy is as much of a sham as that of Iraq.
Comment by Dave C — September 21, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
i still have my guns. i suppose if it gets too out of hand we can have another revolution. anyone want to join in if the elections are rigged yet again?
September 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pmwhew…
anybody listening to randi rhodes?
she’s quite fed up with all the whining dems and progs…
the more i hear her reasons and logic, the more i understand
why she is plenty pissed off…
we really DO need to let the dem reps know that the good things they TRIED to do this past week are just what we asked of them…
September 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmand thank them…
…
Bush is an
September 21st, 2007 at 5:52 pmIgnorant
Cretin.
bob h makes a good point, but who are you going to shoot?
Guns in the home are great for defensive maneuvers (and getting kids killed if not properly stowed).
September 21st, 2007 at 5:57 pmBut who are you going to attack? Just sayin…
Dave C – If they pass that electoral college crap in California then the elections will be rigged for many years to come.
Buck Fush
September 21st, 2007 at 5:59 pmI wonder if we are seeing the effect of recent chemicals or those taken long ago………………
September 21st, 2007 at 6:00 pmYou’re not going to attack anyone. It will be a slow drip, drip, drip, erosion of your rights. It’s happening right now. The Reps will win the election in 08, just like the last two. There will be continued suspicion of fraud, the media will ignore it, people will grumble and carry on. That is the Rove plan. It had nothing to do with winning elections, but stealing them.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:00 pmWhen Iran’s President said something about the Israel regime being erased from the pages of history, all the right-wingers jumped into the “Iran says that they want to destroy Israel!” bandwagon without a second thought.
But when Bush says that Saddam killed Mandela, they’re all “oh, no, it’s a metaphor, he didn’t mean what he meant”.
Double standard, thy affiliation is Republican.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:06 pmDave C, not if a Democrat that keeps profits flowing win.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pmLuis M, spot on.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pmYou’d think reporters would get tired of cleaning up for the idiot Bush. I know Nelson Mandela had a big laugh as he already knows George W. Bush is a stupid idiot. Only those who are paid to suck up to Bush keep making excuses for his ignorance. The GOP should give him a script to follow and don’t talk on his on. Maybe Fred Thompson can help as he can only use a script and without it he’s clue less.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:36 pmI found the metaphor, even unmangled, offensive and telling.
The theme of the nihilist is ‘idealism gets you killed.’
Did Saddam Hussein kill all the idealists in Iraq? every Mandela.
No. And Never.
All you had to do was read riverbend’s blog and you could see that it wasn’t.
A leader who leads by inspiration rather than force, the open hand rather than the fist, who brings peace because peace lives within her?
Despite all the cynicism, it can happen. It has happened.
I used to think that maybe we were getting a bit better, because unlike the others, at least we didn’t kill Mandela.
But the Republicans don’t want Mandela’s, because they put the lie to the fact that power and money is all that works.
No, no, no, we can’t slowly encourage people to find their path to freedom! We must invade them, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Democracy!
But we didn’t slam bang into war against Russia. (of course we couldn’t.) But we contained them. We resisted them, but we offered the open hand at every opportunity.
And when we finally got a leader who was not shaped and distorted by Stalin, M. Gorbachev peeled apart the Soviet Union and its millions stood blinking in the sunlight.
No war.
Ferdinand Marcos lost his dictatorial grip on the Phillipines with huge peaceful throngs in the street led by a housewife.
No war.
And Nelson Mandela walked up and shook F. Wileem DeKlerk by the hand, and apartheid became a bad memory.
No war.
And the anonymous Chinese Mandela who stopped a tank in tienanmen Square?
No victory (yet)–but it shows Mandelas are everywhere.
Bill Clinto probably wanted to be Nelson Mandela–but George Bush doesn’t. He wants to be the tough guy who takes care of bidness after the stupid Mandelas have all been shot. He wants their message and their methods discredited, and things solved the Right way–out of the barrel of a gun.
But George Bush has shown the world that the Right way often doesn’t work either.
And in the meantime, Nelson Mandela is still alive.
September 21st, 2007 at 6:37 pmexcellent, pbg…
September 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pmvery good, thought provoking facts there…
.
But when Bush says that Saddam killed Mandela, they’re all “oh, no, it’s a metaphor, he didn’t mean what he meantâ€.
Double standard, thy affiliation is Republican.
Comment by Luis M — September 21, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
But it’s not even a good metaphor. Nelson Mandela’s post-Apartheid work wasn’t all that spectacular, frankly. He was an inspirational figure when he was imprisoned and immediately after he was released, but as policymaker and president of South Africa he was rather ineffective. Ineffective politicians are something Iraq doesn’t need any more of.
September 21st, 2007 at 7:56 pmPlease No MORE drinks before you speak in public!!!! CLUELESS not to be oil less, Sorry to say
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 amAnd in the meantime, Nelson Mandela is still alive.
Comment by pbg — September 21, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Very nicely done.
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 ampbg,
“when we finally got a leader who was not shaped and distorted by Stalin, M. Gorbachev peeled apart the Soviet Union and its millions stood blinking in the sunlight. No war. Ferdinand Marcos lost his dictatorial grip on the Phillipines with huge peaceful throngs in the street led by a housewife. No war. And Nelson Mandela walked up and shook F. Wileem DeKlerk by the hand, and apartheid became a bad memory. No war.”
And what is the common thread that goes through all of these triumphs of freedom and justice?
They all took place during and as a direct result of the foreign policies of the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — foreign policies that you will recall were bitterly by opposed by liberals at the time….
You have made a powerful argument for the foreign policy of Republican administrations and against those of discredited liberals.
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 amMandela is not dead, but he’d still be in jail if W had any say in it.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:23 amI hope he get misunderstood this badly when he is on the phone with some guy with his finger on the nuclear trigger.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:25 amNelson Mandla was an “insergent”.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:28 amBush just wishes he were dead.
maybe it was only a metaphor when he said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction(or is WMD actually a metaphor) and he didnt mean it when he commanded the US to invade iraq. that was a metaphor too?
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 amand then there is cheneys metaphor from his 1994 speech that the US shouldnt invade Iraq
see youtube, search “cheney invade iraq”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uYelErVS6_w
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 amExley, your repuke leaders missed the boat entirely on those changes, and had less than nothing to do with any of them. nice try. we’re not as stupid as you look. and, the fact is, all of those situations were set up and made possible by the previous Dem administrations. As usual, republicans missed the boat, but would like to steal the credit. Not gonna happen.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:49 amTo me the funniest part of this clip is the way he says MAN-DE-LA. He lunges into this three syllable word with all the gusto of a student of a foreign language. But in devoting precious brain cells to 1) remembering the name and 2) pronouncing it correctly, he couldn’t manage to use the correct phrasing.
Which doesn’t make that much of a difference because he’s lying, anyway.
If someone’s looking for the Iraqi Mandela, Muqtada al-Sadr actually somewhat fits the bill. Despite the efforts of the Bush administration to have him killed.
September 22nd, 2007 at 3:25 amBy the way, I’m sure Bush’s loyal supporters can eventually be led to believe that Saddam Hussein killed Nelson Mandela.
All he needs to do is repeat this accusation a few dozen more times, get Fox to air some segments on it, have Cheney and Rice repeat the talking point– et voila, the case will be made: we invaded Iraq to avenge the murder of Nelson Mandela!
September 22nd, 2007 at 3:30 am#69
“all of those situations were set up and made possible by the previous Dem administrations.”
Uh huh…Sure….Care to explain to what Democratic administrations you refer and what actions they took to “set up and make possible” these events?
I look forward to your response. I am sure it will be….well, let’s just say, interesting.
September 22nd, 2007 at 3:39 amdoing a little research…
seems gorbachev was well on his way to reform without any help
from ronnie reagan…
but this info about marcos was intriguing:
It was reported that when Marcos fled, U.S. Customs agents discovered 24 suitcases of gold bricks and diamond jewelry hidden in diaper bags; in addition, certificates for gold bullion valued in the billions of dollars are allegedly among the personal properties he, his family, his cronies and business partners had surreptitiously taken with them when the Reagan administration provided them safe passage to Hawaii.[21][22]
[...]
By 1984, his close personal ally, U.S. President Ronald Reagan, started distancing himself from the Marcos regime that he and previous American presidents had strongly supported even after Marcos declared martial law. The United States, which had provided hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, was crucial in buttressing Marcos’ rule over the years.[23] During the Carter administration the relation with the U.S. soured somewhat when President Jimmy Carter targeted the Philippines in his human rights campaign. In 1981 Vice President George Bush seemed to signal a different approach when in his visit to Manila he told Marcos, “We love your adherence to democratic principles and to democratic processes.”[24]
from the wiki… more to come…
September 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 am.
now, about Mandela… no mention of reagan in the wiki bio…
but poppy bush is there:
President Mandela took a particular interest in helping to resolve the long-running dispute between Gaddafi’s Libya, on the one hand, and the United States and Britain on the other, over bringing to trial the two Libyans who were indicted in November 1991 and accused of sabotaging Pan Am Flight 103, which crashed at the Scottish town of Lockerbie on 21 December 1988, with the loss of 270 lives. As early as 1992, Mandela informally approached President George Bush with a proposal to have the two indicted Libyans tried in a third country. Bush reacted favourably to the proposal, [...]
and the son:
In 2003 Mandela criticised the foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration in a number of speeches. Criticising the lack of UN involvement in the decision to begin the War in Iraq, he said, “It is a tragedy, what is happening, what Bush is doing. But Bush is now undermining the United Nations”. Mandela stated he would support action against Iraq only if it is ordered by the UN. Mandela also insinuated that Bush may have been motivated by racism in not following the UN and its secretary-general Kofi Annan on the issue of the war. “Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white”.[40]
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attributing any of the successes of these leaders “as a direct result of the foreign policies of the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush” is quite a stretch…
but, imagine that…
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 am…
The guy’s America’s greatest embarressment since…since..never mind.
September 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 am