Bush Offering ‘Back-Channel’ Political Advice To Democratic Candidates: Stay In Iraq
Bush Offering ‘Back-Channel’ Political Advice To Democratic Candidates: Stay In Iraq
In an interview with GQ correspondent Robert Draper for his book Dead Certain, President Bush described his Iraq strategy as “playing for October-November.” He explained that his hope was to “get us in a position where the presidential candidates will be comfortable about sustaining a presence,” and, he said, “stay longer.”
In an interview with the The Examiner’s Bill Sammon for his book The Evangelical President, Bush goes even further, explaining that he is actively “providing back-channel advice” to the Democratic presidential candidates on Iraq. According to White House chief of staff Josh Bolten, Bush is urging the candidates to remain flexible enough in their rhetoric so that they can maintain a long-term occupation of Iraq:
White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten said Bush has “been urging candidates: ‘Don’t get yourself too locked in where you stand right now. If you end up sitting where I sit, things could change dramatically.’”
Bolten said Bush wants enough continuity in his Iraq policy that “even a Democratic president would be in a position to sustain a legitimate presence there.”
“Especially if it’s a Democrat,” the chief of staff told The Examiner in his West Wing office. “He wants to create the conditions where a Democrat not only will have the leeway, but the obligation to see it out.”
“It’s different being a candidate and being the president,” Bush said in an Oval Office interview. “No matter who the president is, no matter what party, when they sit here in the Oval Office…they will then begin to understand the need to continue to support the young democracy.”
Sammon reports Bush “has been sending advice, mostly through aides,” aimed at convincing candidates not to speak too forcefully about a complete withdrawal from Iraq. “Asked by The Examiner whether the Democrats were reluctant to have private contacts with the administration, the White House official replied: ‘No, I think they sort of welcome conversation.’”
UPDATE: By advising Democrats to pursue a strategy overwhelmingly at odds with public opinion, is Bush trying to show how he can be a “strong asset” for conservative candidates?
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September 24th, 2007 at 10:24 pmJake, you really should get out of this country. I’ve never seen such hatred and treason in one person as you possess. Quoting the traitors who STOLE the White House proves your inability to understand the American way. how shameful and cowardly you are, and how much Teddy Roosevelt would be disgunsted by your anti-American actions. Shame on you, and the rest of the 25% who hate America and freedom.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmAt least Hillary will be prepared to protect our national security should she win.
Comment by Jake D. — September 24, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Something Bush never did. He allowed a successful attack, so that he could rile up idiots like you. he should have been impeached on 9/12/01, then tried for treason, then hanged. We’d all be better off.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:29 pmFor the record, TP is “quoting the traitors†too ; )
Comment by Jake D. — September 24, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
For the record, TP is not using the traitors to defend their position of treason and andti-Americanism, as y8ou are. For the record. :)
September 24th, 2007 at 10:30 pmThere is absolutely no situation Bush and Repubs won’t try to manipulate. So, we’re supposed to believe that Bush is advising Dem candidates and that they’re seeking Bush’s advice and deciding to continue Bush’s failed policies?
I’m not buying it. This is a Repub attempt to fool voters into believing that Dems will continue the same failed policies that Repubs are falling over themselves to promise to continue.
Yet another manipulation of the truth — and attempt for Bush to feel good about his failed life and administration — designed to steal another election.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pmTP is showing the barefaced lying and treason of the Deserter-In-Chief, and the purely political, completely unAmerican mahipulation of the press and the idiot 25%ers like jake and exley, who eagerly fellate the weakest sissy of a president ever to steal office.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:33 pmUnfortunately I believe this dufus…The democrats are IN on the game. Seriously if WE were all up in Congress would WE have acted the way the democrats have over the past several years?
They parse their words so much you dont even really know what the hell they plan on doing… Only a couple of the candidates (republican or democrat) actually talk to you like they care what you think… The DNC and GOP types are not among that group…
September 24th, 2007 at 10:37 pmWow, so arrogant. Yes, if you want to be a failure before your first year is up, listen to the current clown occupying the White House.
The Repbublicans will blame the Democrats no matter what happens down the road.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:47 pmjake is a crack head, he is a GREAT comic relief!
September 24th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWhy is Bush putting advice to Democrats if he thinks they wont win?
And this I ask you Jake.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:51 pmClinton’s advise was “Watch out for Osama Bin Laden.” We all know how well that worked out, and yet he thinks they should listen to him? Please, whatever he says, do the opposite: improve the situation.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:51 pmPretty obvious that Bush wants to get as close to the Democrats as he can now. When you can’t fire up your own base, demoralize the Democratic base. He now wants to get everyone to make nice in Congress on Iraq. Of course he does…nothing would be better for Republicans than to have Ralph Nader’s meme “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats” back in play. Are the Dems perfect? Obviously not….but they are light years better than the collective crime syndicate that masquerades as a political party.
Iraq is a Republican folly, period. No Democrat will want to continue this illegal and immoral occupation of a sovereign country….certainly not for Republican Big Oil interests. Listen carefully to what our candidates say on Iraq, not the framing of the Republicans and their corporate media sycophants.
Oh, and about Jake…I think he’s one of those Al Qaeda psych-ops posters…he seems to encourage the strategy of draining our country of blood and treasure in this no-win quagmire. Why does he hate America so much?
September 24th, 2007 at 10:52 pmWe should still impeach this goofy sob.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBush wants to ensure the war continues after he’s gone, along with the 29% crowd who don’t even know what it’s about anymore. For anyone who hasn’t seen David Shuster take down the disgraceful Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) watch this. You will be amazed to see what’s important to her - and what’s not.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:54 pmScrew the democracy, just keep on makin money for big oil.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThat’s like having the car salesman tell you how to get the most for your trade.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:12 pmWhat a surprise! Bush is completely insane with war…
Let’s just call Bush the “misery President,” for he has done his level best to spread his fascist misery around the globe to as many people as possible. Thanks for nothing, pea-brain.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:13 pmHeh. If we give all the non-trolls at least one “recommend,” and then sort the comments by top-rated — Jake slams to the bottom of the list.
Could be a plan…..
September 24th, 2007 at 11:19 pmThis is just one more reason why we should be asking each candidate to be explicit about their Iraq plans. While they all say they will “end the war,” Clinton, Obama and Edwards’ plans all involve keeping “residual troops” in Iraq. Hilary has said she would not commit to having all troops out at the end of her first administration, Obama and Edwards speak of withdrawing combat troops but not support troops.
Chris Bowers and I have been asking the campaigns to answer how many troops will they leave in Iraq and for how long. Only Bill Richardson has been explicit - no residual troops. And he has been asking at each debate for all the others to tell us how many get left in Iraq. It’s a question we all should be asking - and one that is particularly important given the Bush advice to Democrats info above.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:22 pmFrom previous post, with my explanations in parenthesis.
“A senior White House official said the Administration did not put much stock in pledges by Democratic presidential candidates to swiftly end the Iraq war if elected.
“Well, first of all, if you’re a presidential candidate,†the official said, “you’re able to [finesse] the public posturing that you may be required to do, or that you fall into doing.
[in other words, candidates lie to get elected and then do what they want. as an extreme example, see lieberman]
“The other thing is, they are being advised by smart people,†the official said. “We’ve got colleagues here on the staff who have good communications with some of the thinkers on that side.
[once elected, they will be quickly taught the ropes and shown whats what by AIPAC personnel, Saudi nationals and various think tanks and organizations, such as the tri lateral commision, the bilderbergers and other, much less known political forces active in the US]
“And there is a recognition by most of them that there has to be a long-term presence by the United States if we hope to avoid America being brought back into the region in a very precarious way, at a point where all-out resources are required.†”
[because so many people are making incredible amounts of money out of oil - drilling, storage and transportation - we cannot allow the USA to try to be less dependent on terrorist arab nations err arabic US allies on war on terror for its oil. So any talk about ethanol gasoline, or any other kind of motive power is crazy talk. We want to stay rich]
This completes Timo’s political education of people in this blog for this day.
PS
September 24th, 2007 at 11:26 pmIts good to register and be back :-D
Wasen’t it during the ray-gun year’s the term “misery index” came out.? our country and the world has gone way past that and hundred’s of thousad’s have died because of the bushco misery……Blessings all.P.S. some one please call the medical examiner and have the flakey troll removed, rigor’s set in and it’s stinky.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:26 pmBy advising Democrats to pursue a strategy overwhelmingly at odds with public opinion, is Bush trying to show how he can be a “strong asset†for conservative candidates?
No, he’s trying to show he can be a dick.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:35 pmExactly, Toliver. Vote for me if you live in San Francisco:
http://www.cindyforcongress.org
September 24th, 2007 at 11:40 pmWe had an AWOL coward BUFFOON as a “president” for the last 6 years.
And a WAR CRIMINAL, LIAR, MURDERER & TRAITOR to the USA.
Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?
September 24th, 2007 at 11:41 pmWayne #31, Yep!…LMAO..Blessings
September 24th, 2007 at 11:43 pm483 days left in office.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:43 pmListening to Bush is one thing, but taking his advice seriously is akin to taking the advice of Britney Spears on spouse selection and child rearing. Bush’s innumerable failures in Iraq have empowered fanatics like Osama bin Laden, Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. All of these lunatics have gained tremendous power as a direct result of the fanaticism and incompetence of George W. Bush. The only people who should be taking advice from him are aspiring tyrants, not aspiring United States presidents!
September 24th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThis man is off his f cking rocker!
September 24th, 2007 at 11:49 pmYou have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it, is that clear?!
You think you have merely stopped a business deal — that is not the case!
The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back.
It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity, it is ecological balance!
You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples.
There are no nations! There are no peoples! There are no Russians.
There are no Arabs! There are no third worlds! There is no West!
There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane,
interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of
dollars! petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars!, Reichmarks, rubles, rin, pounds and shekels!
It is the international system of currency that determines the totality of life on this planet!
That is the natural order of things today! That is the atomic, subatomic and galactic structure of things today!
And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and you will atone!
Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?
You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen, and howl about America and democracy.
There is no America. There is no democracy.
There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and Dupont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon.
Those are the nations of the world today.
What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state — Karl Marx?
They pull out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories and minimax solutions and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments just like we do.
We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business.
The world is a business, Mr. Beale!
It has been since man crawled out of the slime, and our children, Mr.Beale, will live to see that perfect world in which there is no war and
famine, oppression and brutality –one vast and ecumenical holding company,
for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties
tranquilized, all boredom amused.
And I have chosen you to preach this evangel, Mr. Beale.
Beale: Why me?
Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.
Screenplay by Paddy Chayefsky
Pretty much told the story 30 years ago…
September 24th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWhat any responsible President and candidates (regardless of party) should be doing for the good of our national security : )
Comment by Jake D.
Good of our national security… really? You remember that when those that we offended with our terrorist acts have multiplied 10 fold come to get you.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:53 pm“Why is Bush putting advice to Democrats if he thinks they wont win?”
Comment by Xisithrus
Geeze, you guys… Karl hasn’t yet left the building. This crap is pure Rove. Turn your weakness into a supposed strength.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWhat kind of a moron would even listen to his advice? He’s wrong about everything. What would be the point of it?
Honestly, Bush has the Midas touch in reverse. Everything he touches turns to shit. Not to mention that he ignored all of the advice given to him by the Clinton administration and ended up having a terrorist attack on our soil that killed almost 3,000 people because of it.
Please Dems, don’t listen to a f*cking word he has to say. He’s a goddam idiot.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:58 pmI defy any Bush supporter to look at this list at TBogg and tell me that what this man tried to achieve was worth it. Since that MoveOn ad came out, every soldier killed in Iraq (on that list) was 32 years old or younger! There are far, far too many of our young people dying, and for once, I wish someone from this loathsome, vile, despicable administration would have the courage to stand up and tell us the g*ddamn f*cking truth about why they had to die! Just ONE! F*cking cowards.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:59 pmDidn’t we fly the Binm Ladens out of the US before the FBI could speak with them?
And isn’t Osama still FREE after 6 years?
And didn’t we attack IRAQ?
WHY?
And if the reason was to “get Saddam”, he’s DEAD.
So WHY are we STILL in Iraq.
And Osama is STILL FREE?
And our soldiers are DYING for the
LIES of this MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL Bush?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:01 am#43 Joke D.
Stephen Colbert sure had you guys pegged about all your activism being confined to blogs — no one even knew how to protest when that kid got tazered at the Kerry speech — keep up the good work!
And your ineffectual clown posts are accomplishing what?
I’m sure you’re swaying thousands of readers to your comically skewed point of view every day. Keep at it. You’re doing important work.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:01 amNational security…I have always wondered what do they (govts) mean by that?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:02 amStephen Colbert sure had you guys pegged about all your activism being confined to blogs — no one even knew how to protest when that kid got tazered at the Kerry speech — keep up the good work!
Comment by Jake D.
Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL and a TRAITOR to the USA.
May he BURN IN HELL for his EVIL.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:03 amJuan or Wayne,
Are you able to post comments at the Zoo?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:04 amJust one, Zoo, about 10 minutes ago. Then I couldnt.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:05 amThat’s what I thought. Thanks, Juan. I’ve sent a message to Egg, but I don’t know what else to do. :(
September 25th, 2007 at 12:07 amo Bigfoot,
Where is Osama bin Laden? Why isn’t your King even attempting to look for him, or think about him?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:11 amWayne…it gave me the impression that, for a moment, you were this guy.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:14 amGo learn something, lefties!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Yeah, like making WMDs.
BTW, I noticed you avoided the argument of Zooey. Well…it is you after all.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 amA successful attack that was planned under Hillary’s husband’s watch while he was getting a BJ by Monica in the Oval Office. Guess Bill figured he had better things to do than worry about terrorism…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Planned in Afghanistan, so Clinton should have known? In any case, he did know, and he passed the information on to Bush, who ignored it, as he ignored everything until 3000 were dead, on his watch. Blame clinton instead of the Republican Congress, who were doing everything in their power to distract him and destroy his presidency. No blowjob is that much distraction, except the ones you give Bushco. Bush failed to protect the USA, Republicans are weak on national security. Those are facts, and we’re all well aware of the fascists cops in florida, have been since Bush stole the ‘00 elections, with the fascists’ help. don’t kid yourself, you are done, and the GOP is done, finished, flushed. Better head home to a conservative country, like Iran, where they believe what you do.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:14 am
F*cking moron.
BTW, make sure you report that as abuse, because I meant it that way.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 ambut I don’t know what else to do. :(
Comment by Zooey
You can start by recommending all my posts. :D
September 25th, 2007 at 12:17 amWe citizen’s of the United States have an elected president, not a monarchy.. thought you knew that.
Wrong again. Selection by the bought-and-paid for SCOTUS, no election results that year were allowed. Gore is president, not bush, the boy deserter-in-chief. Gore won.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:17 ambigfoot’s busy sending his wife’s kids off to die in the desert, in his place. no guts, no glory. what a coward.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:19 amA successful attack that was planned under Hillary’s husband’s watch while he was getting a BJ by Monica in the Oval Office. Guess Bill figured he had better things to do than worry about terrorism…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:07 am
You mean the plan that was successfully executed while a bumbling idiot was in the White House.
And your facts are wrong. The affair with Lewinsky ended in early 1996. Planning for the 9/11 attacks began in early 1999.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:21 amPlanning for the 9/11 attacks began in early 1999.
Comment by Nat — September 25, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Nat, a little advice about dealing w/ Li’l Footie.
You cannot expect “reason”, “honesty”, or “the truth” from this pathetic dingdong.
Jimmied up stats and endless braggadocio, yes… anything else at all? No…
September 25th, 2007 at 12:25 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Dawg! Howza Neuticlesâ„¢ workin’ out fer ya?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:25 amJust more baloney from the fringe kook left. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don’t stop believin’, Lefty!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:22 am
You’re just proving your hatred of your country, bigfoot. your acceptance of Nazi methods of stealing elections and installing traitors just puts you right where you belong: on the opposite side of real Americans and patriots. You’re a useless coward, with nothing to contribute except your wife’s kids. You are more dangerous to America than Bin Laden ever was; he’s laughing as you do his work for him, in your fear and ignorance. Aldrich Ames is your hero, American troops are your enemies, the way you devalue their lives with your support of the fascists who have fooled you completely.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:27 amJimmied up stats and endless braggadocio, yes… anything else at all? No…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 25, 2007 @ 12:25 am
How about condescending attitude? :D
September 25th, 2007 at 12:27 amhahaha. Zoo, you are a delight. Thanks!!!
Oh, look, Bigfoot, whose wife is advocating the use of nukes against Iran… is telling us about what is true and what false…
mmm…too much yellow cake.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:28 amNope, the planning started much earlier than that. You are the one who needs to do some fact checking. Doesn’t matter. Clinton did absolutely nothing about any terrorist attacks that occured under his watch. Bush has fought them head on.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:27 am
I call bullshit on that. You’re going to have to put up some proof of that, or STFU.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:29 amGeorge Bush - Fighting and winning the war on terror.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Somebody missed the Mission Accomplished banner.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:29 amBush has lost the war on terror, and the two land wars as well. iraq is lost, Afghanistan is lost, and bush is lost. he is the world’s leading terrorist now, and we will all pay, as we did on 9/11, when he failed in his duties. Clinton caught, prosecuted and jailed his terrorists, a fact you conveniently ignore, as bin laden runs around making campaign videos for Bush. You’re a sick, sad, joke, a far-right fringe nutcase who should lose his citizenship and be deported to Korea.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:30 amNice picture of Bush.
I’ll bet Merkel has nightmares that begin like that…
September 25th, 2007 at 12:32 ambigfoot missed the handholding pictures of bush and saudi terrorists as well. bigfoot is so out of the loop he doesn’t even realize that bush is in bed with America’s enemies.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:32 amDemocrats destroyed Germany, Japan and Italy in less time than it’s taken Bush to lose to Iraq!
September 25th, 2007 at 12:33 amAnd whatever you do, don’t let the facts ever stand in your way!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Pot, meet kettle.
I haven’t seen a single link from you backing up your shit.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:34 am“And how is your conversion to Islam coming along, man?”
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Not as well as my Corvair/Porshe conversion. The motor mounts just won’t work…
September 25th, 2007 at 12:34 amAnd whatever you do, don’t let the facts ever stand in your way!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Funny how you never have any facts in your posts, so they can’t get in the way of your cocksucking of the deserter you worship.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:34 amNope, the planning started much earlier than that. You are the one who needs to do some fact checking. Doesn’t matter. Clinton did absolutely nothing about any terrorist attacks that occured under his watch.
The planning began in early 1999. The idea came earlier.
Bush has fought them head on.
He should have done that before the most devastating attack in American history.
George Bush - Fighting and winning the war on terror.
He’s losing the War on Terror.
Bill Clinton - Ignored the war on terror and hoped it would go away, a common liberal trait.
If that was the case, 9/11 would have happened on his watch but yet it happened on the bumbling idiot’s watch.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:35 amTo be exact, the initial planning for the operation that would become the 9/11 attacks began in 1996:
“Just as KSM was reestablishing himself in Afghanistan in mid-1996, Bin Ladin and his colleagues were also completing their migration from Sudan. Through Atef, KSM arranged a meeting with Bin Ladin in Tora Bora, a mountainous redoubt from the Afghan war days. At the meeting, KSM presented the al Qaeda leader with a menu of ideas for terrorist operations…At the meeting, KSM briefed Bin Ladin and Atef on the first World Trade Center bombing, the Manila air plot, the cargo carriers plan, and other activities pursued by KSM and his colleagues in the Philippines. KSM also presented a proposal for an operation that would involve training pilots who would crash planes into buildings in the United States. This proposal eventually would become the 9/11 operation.”
Following the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies, Bin Laden gave the greenlight for the 9/11 attacks in late 1998 or early 1999.
Report of the 9/11 Commission: “AL QAEDA AIMS AT THE AMERICAN HOMELAND”
September 25th, 2007 at 12:36 amYou also conveniently forget that you lost WW2, nazi. You’re pretty hopeless, but your refusal to stand up and fight for your principles made that clear long ago. a chickenhawk nazi, imagine that. you are the laughingstock of your town.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:36 amO Smellyfoot is asking the little wifey if he can nuke TP.
Later, y’all.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:37 am“However, please understand I don’t ever expect facts to get in the way of a liberal argument.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Nor lies, a conservative one…
September 25th, 2007 at 12:37 amHowever, please understand I don’t ever expect facts to get in the way of a liberal argument.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:36 am
you have no facts, you’ve just admitted it. you make silly shit up, and then you believe it. you’re the bottom of the barrel, the remianing handful of idiots that bush still has scared to pieces. how sad for you, and the poor suckers around you.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:38 amHowever, please understand I don’t ever expect facts to get in the way of a liberal argument.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Dude, I know the facts.
You’re the one spewing crap all over this blog, YOU BACK IT UP, OR SHUT THE F*CK UP.
Got it?
Didn’t think so.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:39 amPyrrho strikes again. Congratulations, Exley.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:39 amHowever, please understand I don’t ever expect facts to get in the way of a liberal argument.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:36 am
You haven’t presented any facts just hyperbole.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:39 amThen you havn’t been paying attention. But that’s not my problem. I suggest you open your eyes in the future so as not to look foolish.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Nope. Not seeing a single link by you. Put up or shut, dingleberry.
You do know how to do a link, don’t you?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:40 amShorter Bigfoot: The facts are all in my head.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:40 amTo be exact, the initial planning for the operation that would become the 9/11 attacks began in 1996:
kinda screwed your own position, exlax. you guys are so stupid, you can’t even win a war in Iraq.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:40 amO Smellyfoot is asking the little wifey if he can nuke TP.
Later, y’all.
Best post tonight.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:41 amBest post tonight.
Comment by Juan C. — September 25, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Heh. Goodnight, Juan. ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 12:42 amand as far as the jakes and sasquatches are concerned, let’s flag them down and be done with them. i’m sick to death of dummy jabber up in here.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:42 amthis is what we’re down to:exley, who presents facts that bolster our side, bigfoot, who presents no facts, and jake, who pressents fanciful dissertations haveing nothing to do with the matter at hand. no wonder we’re losing in the middle East, and the dollar is tanking, and America is hated throughout the world. None of that happened on Clinton’s watch.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:43 am“Been posting links on TP for weeks. Been complemented on my research. ”
Daryll doesn’t count.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:48 amsasquatch - this, in here, is not a battle. this is not a fight. you cannot, will not “win” anything here. you’ll just be mocked by a whole lot of people, which appears to be what you’re asking for. you call it a day. you go find some people like you, and have a nice chat with them about how darkies are stealing your right to be rich, or whatever it is you people go on about. you’re not going to change your mind, and we’re not going to change ours, and that’s the end of it.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:50 amDid you know that according to Ahmedinejad, there are no homosexuals in Iran?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:52 am
This subject was already discussed in this very blog, in a thread that was opened several hours ago.
Do try to keep up, m-k?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:56 amBeen posting links on TP for weeks. Been complemented on my research. In other words, been there, done that. I told you I’m not holding your hand on this one. The info is easy to find. Exley already knew what I knew. Get in the know, Zooey. Or got get some sleep and try again tommarrow.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:44 am
First of all, dingus, the word is “complimented”. “Complemented” is an entirely different word. And second of all, compliments from idiots like Jake and Darryl, or water-carriers like Exley don’t mean much. “Conservative” trolls like to stroke each other a lot on liberal blogs and websites because it makes them feels safe.
Your condescension is misdirected; you’ve really done nothing here except to spout standard “conservative” dribble without substance and without citations. Your smug assurances that “liberals” are out of touch are themselves out of touch with reality. You might want to spend time trying to understand the pathology that brings you to TP in the first place. Is it because none of your “friends” will listen to you or because they snicker at you behind your back?
September 25th, 2007 at 12:57 amyou’re not going to change your mind, and we’re not going to change ours, and that’s the end of it.
Comment by tombaker
Changing ones mind requires humility, common sense and wisdom.
Somebody married with a person advocating the use of a nuclear weapon over another country will not find those virtues.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:58 amIf I can make just one liberal think…just one.. (and a thinking liberal is a rarity indeed)…then my work is done.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:56 am
You forgot the little Bush snicker, a la Beavis and Butthead. When you demonstrate your own ability to think, you might have a leg to stand on. In the meantime, it’s just bluster.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:59 ambigfoot, do your knuckles bleed when you walk? i really think they do. go adjust your tinfoil hat kiddo.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:00 amIf I can make just one liberal think…just one.. (and a thinking liberal is a rarity indeed)…then my work is done.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Funny, that’s what we’ve been trying to get conservatives to do. There’s no critical thinking on the right; everything is a black and white issue.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:00 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Really lame.
This troll has not backed up even one statement of the drivel he posted.
Just plain lame.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:00 am(With apologies to St. Frank)
My adult
diaper’s
too tight
Couldn’t get it off last night
It started to dry
and the nurse heard me cry
“I got Jake/Foot!”
Jake/Foot darlin’…
Jake/Foot… and his lame wingnut prose!
September 25th, 2007 at 1:00 amGotta go for a bit, Glenn Beck just got done interviewing a fellow from the NRA, and he’s gonna pontificate a bit more about Mahmoud’s visit to Columbia University..
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Your heroes don’t just provide you with a data feed? Must be tough if they expect you to work things out on your own, because it’s pretty obvious you’re struggling with simple concepts. Maybe there’s a website for you to print out the talking points.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:01 amI posted this on the other Iraq thread earlier. Reading the “Big O” here on this thread, made me want to say it again. His sad attempts at trolling are nothing but funny! Argues a lot like Valient Venus. Same kind of phrasing and punch lines. Must be a school that teaches that stuff.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 24, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
“Wrong again. It is I who has the correct take on the Iraq situation.”
Says the preacher on the stump in some local park. He rails at the world from his lonely perch, preaching fire and brimstone to all those who don’t believe as he does.
Blind to those who gather around him to laugh at his insane rantings, he mindlessly blathers on, believing that they will one day, heed his “black is white†message.
Carry on, o Bigfoot the stump preacher, who knows all, and sees all, as no one else does! Continue to provide us unbelieving mortals with the comedy hour we need during this painful BushCo/neocon experience.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:06 amNeither. It’s because preaching to the choir is a useless excersize. We already know how right we are. We would be remiss if we didn’t spread our knowledge and wisdom among the heathen.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 1:03 am
If you were actually spreading knowledge and wisdom no one would take issue with anything you posted. Your posts are kind of childish.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:08 amYour welcome.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
That’s “you’re.”
September 25th, 2007 at 1:10 amBut perhaps I am writing at a childish level…after all, I gotta write so even liberals can understand.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 1:12 am
Nah, this is your usual mentality.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:17 amAkshully, it’s “yer’â€
Comment by O. Bighoot
If “yer” a pirate, matey. Otherwise, you’re just… what’s the word?
Inane!
That’s it.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:20 amwe should all feel good, and we’re definitely a charitable bunch…
that’s probably as much attention as ol’ squatch has ever received from anyone in his whole life, poor ol’ s.o.b..
September 25th, 2007 at 1:29 amBush’s “back-channel advice?” Is that the WH code for advice Bush pulls out of his ass?
September 25th, 2007 at 1:59 amIs that the WH code for advice Bush pulls out of his ass?
Comment by Chuck U. Farley — September 25, 2007 @ 1:59 am
Either that or sumpin’ ta do w/ Mark Foley…
September 25th, 2007 at 2:02 amWhen over fifty percent of our nation wants us out of Iraq, and the president and congress decide to ignore us, can we seriously call our form of government a democracy?
September 25th, 2007 at 5:06 amEven if he was in an unmarked grave upside down with a stake through his still-beating heart, Bush would want citizens of America to continue to waste money and squander lives and break families in order to continue his fantasy of imperial dominion. Damnation as in nation of the damned!
Some legacy he will leave behind… as thousands of years worth of human culture crumble under the tanks, glorious architecture is blasted by game-playing commandos and real human beings get chewed into unidentifiable pieces by daily bombs. And he wants to taint every Democratic candidate with his bloody hands? Saruman only used white paint, while Bush uses real blood to bond his followers. Hillary and anybody else who thinks we’ll still have troops waging war by the end of their terms wear his bloody pawprint on their faces and hearts and minds and spirits.
The only candidate worth supporting is Kucinich because he is the only one we can trust to extract America from continuous bloodshed and torture and destruction.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:19 amhttp://www.islamicmediacity.com/ cms_files/ news_images/ 1190391250.jpg
there you go jake, bigfoot…. the democratically selected leader of free Iraq shaking hands with the president of Iran… theres your “Iraqi freedom†for you, bought and paid for with american blood and treasure… I guess at least one good thing about saddam hussien was that he wouldnt be caught dead shaking hands with the leader of Iran.
Is this picture part of the “victory” you envision for iraq?
September 25th, 2007 at 6:59 amI REALLY need some of that cool-aide…NOT!
September 25th, 2007 at 7:05 am>Been posting links on TP for weeks.
Right… to right wing hack jobs articles making claims like abramhoff ‘directed’ money to democrats, just because some associate of his did. I asked you to quote an actual amount ambrahoff actually gave to a democrat and you get quiet. As one the articles I quoted showed, associates and clients of abramhoff actually gave dems about 9 percent LESS money after he got involved with them than they did before.
> Been complemented on my research.
Mr. P has been complimented on his excellent attendance at community college. So what? I havent seen a single link from you proves a thing. As much of a moron as exley is, he occasionally makes a valid point, trivial though it usually is. The guy is a brainwashed fool but his intellect isnt beyond repair, which is more than I can say for you and your flaghumping chesthumping machismo…
Did your research ever figure out the difference between the words “accoutability” and “accountant”? hahahahaha. Not surprising your dear leader doesnt understand either of these concepts. Neither does your leading candiate in 2008 either apparently, yesterday he explained how he would offset one tax cut by making another tax cut… add by subtracting.. brilliant!
I remember, the Government ACCOUNTABILITY Office’s report didnt tell you what you wanted to hear, so so you criticized it by saying “we shouldnt let accountants run the war”…..hahahahah. dude……. I suggest your “research” include attaining the vocabulary of the average 12th grader before you start holding your dirty diaper in your outstretched hands and claim your goose laid a golden egg…
> In other words, been there, done that.
Ah yes, please do dazzle us with your edumacational pedigree?
September 25th, 2007 at 7:21 amDon’t you get it? He is nothing but a shill for BIG OIL and Big Defense and they have worked SOOOO hard on all of the projected revenues through 2012…..you know, they have a RESPONSIBILITY to the stockholders.
September 25th, 2007 at 7:28 amThe FACT that Hillary has apparently gotten on board with this PROVES THAT SHE CAN NOT BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.
Hey, if she doesn’t win the nomination, who would bet she would pull a “lieberman” and switch parties to run anyway? Five bucks says she would, in a second, because she’s NOT DOING IT FOR THE COUNTRY. She is doing it for herself.
I have noticed some of the emphasis shifting somewhat, particularly with Hillary and Obama. The day that any candidate begins taking “back door advice” from a failed president, from one who will be labeled as THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER in the history of this country, is the day that particular candidate’s campaign is over in the eyes of the american people.
He can dole out all of the war-mongering advice he wants because he’s a lameduck, disastrous president. If any democrat wants the nomination, he needs to distance himself from Bush’s personage like he’s a toxic plague. The repukes have told him to “stay away” from their campaigns. The dems need to give him the finger and tell him they’re not interested in his brand of idiotic thought process, empty rhetoric, and twisted logic.
The dems need to stand up to this dictator and tell him that they’re smarter than he could ever hope to be and that their advice to him is to pack his bags for Paraguay - and soon!
September 25th, 2007 at 7:56 amPoor Dubya — the Repubs are no longer listening to him, so he’s trying to give the “benefit of his experience” to the Dems. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:06 amComment by missmolly — September 25, 2007 @ 9:06 am
Just like the little kid who can’t get attention any more from his parents, so he goes whining to the neighbors about the “boogie men” under his bed.
If anyone on the Dem side listen to this A$$Klown, they have just [roven why they are unfit for office!
September 25th, 2007 at 9:11 amDear Dems;
Please adopt a political platform that is pretty much exactly the opposite of what your constituency wants.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:48 amHeh.
Why would any candidate follow the advice of a failed President?
September 25th, 2007 at 10:55 amWhy do you people let a troll like bigfoot get under your skin?
September 25th, 2007 at 10:57 amHere is a link to an article that does a great job explaining why Hillary is taking Bush’s advice and why he is giving it….
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ the_daily_dish/ 2007/ 09/ queen-hillary-i.html
September 25th, 2007 at 12:25 pmOh goody! The blind, deaf AND retarded preznit trying to tell us what to do.
Yeah, *I’M* sooooooooooo going to take the Dear Leader’s words to heart!!
Not.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:41 pm