Greenspan: Because Of Oil, Saddam Was ‘Far More Important To Get Out Than Bin Laden’
Greenspan: Because Of Oil, Saddam Was ‘Far More Important To Get Out Than Bin Laden’
In his new memoir, The Age of Turbulence, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan writes that he is “saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.” Greenspan later clarified his remark in an interview with the Washington Post, saying that while oil was not “the administration’s motive,” it was “essential” to remove Saddam Hussein because of it.
In an interview with Charlie Rose last week, Greenspan went even further in his defense of the Iraq war, saying it was “far more important to get” Saddam Hussein “out than bin Laden”:
ALAN GREENSPAN: People do not realize in this country, for example, how tenuous our ties to international energy are. That is, we on a daily basis require continuous flow. If that flow is shut off, it causes catastrophic effects in the industrial world. And it’s that which made him far more important to get out than bin Laden.
Watch it:
Greenspan’s continued belief that invading Iraq was the right decision flies in the face of the evidence.
In March 2003, when the U.S. first invaded Iraq, the price of oil was roughly US$35 a barrel. Just two weeks ago, however, oil prices reached “above US$80 a barrel for the first time ever.”
Additionally, the rate of international terrorism has increased significantly since the invasion of Iraq. In 2003, there were a total of 193 acts of international terrorism. In 2006, however, 14,000 terrorist attacks occurred, almost half of which occurred in Iraq.
By any metric, the decision to invade Iraq and take the focus off bin Laden has been a disastrous strategic choice.
(HT: Jonathan Schwarz)
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And by extension, If WalMart wants to use unseemly and illegal business practices against K-Mart, that is perfectly legitimate ? And wouldn’t this also legitmize a group of neighborhood commandos to torpedo the store of their “unliking” ???
September 24th, 2007 at 11:39 amI hope he will testify at the Hague.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:39 amFar more important for whom?
The United States of America
or
Big Oil?
I think we know the answer.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:39 amSo half the worlds terrorists acts occur in Iraq. And you want to leave?
September 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amOh, Roger Roger, you are so mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence…
September 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe war has been great for Oil companies, and Saudis, and everyone who makes a buck off of Oil. Not so great for the middle class, the poor, or the army, but hey we all have to make sacrifices.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amHe must have been taken to the woodshed, and now his retraction is being accepted as honest…WTF!?
September 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amYes it is absolutely true: Oil trumps international law or moral authority every time. This weasely Rand-head is a shill for the Corporate-fascists.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amAlthough, Andrea Mitchell is quite the news-babe…I’d like to show her my tax cut.
Once an inhuman Republican, always an inhuman Republican. I bet he’d call himself a Christian and with pro-life values too.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amdid greenspan have a seat (real or not)
September 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amat cheney’s secret energy meetings?
.
This is EXACTLY why we should not have the oil NOOSE around our necks… RIGHT AFTER 911 would should have gathered our scientists and engineers and computer programmers etc… and said look you are Americans best hope to get this addiction to foreign oil removed… we will fund you in the BILLIONS .. no HUNDREDS of BILLIONS… another Manahattan Project… design a way for America to use its technology to kick the habit…
INSTEAD we clung to the needle… we LOVE our addiction and FOUGHT for it… by invading a country that NEVER attacked us…. because we have ANTI-SCIENCE idiots running our government… if ONLY we had GORE in office… maybe we would have had someone that BELIEVES in SCIENCE… and America could have taken a totally difference road to freedom from Saudi OIL…..
September 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amSo it’s ok to lie, steal, kill, and pilfir a sovereign country’s resources for the sake of the US thrust for oil. And in addition we do nothing to conserve or reverse course for the sake of our enviroment?
September 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amThe motives are simplistic and unrealistic in the modern world.
The perpetuators are traitors to all the peoples of the world and to the Constitution of the American people.
Greenspan’s words just show his complacency for the stewardship he was trusted with.
Criminals, with an AWOL justice system, the bunch.
Hmmm,
This from the guy who didn’t see any long term issues with sub-prime mortgage loans?
What a prophet. Scratch that, profit.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:54 amlets see what comes to mind…. oh yeah, DUH!
September 24th, 2007 at 11:55 amfree of the ravages of intelligence…
Comment by Nevar — September 24, 2007 @ 11:45 am
heh… it sure seems, at times, i would be better off
being blissfully ignorant…
maybe that’s the problem in this country… too many are…
September 24th, 2007 at 11:57 am.
Yes, our country runs on oil — a great deal of it. More oil per capita than any other country in the world, for that matter.
Greenspan is just saying what is pretty obvious to most of us. We gulp petroleum at a fantastic rate, and we need more of it. Chaos would ensue in our society if the supply dried up suddenly.
This addiction of ours presents us with a few options:
1) Escalate research into alternative energy sources and methods of conservation to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
2) Trade with oil-supplying nations in a fair manner.
3) Boldly invade a country with a large supply of petroleum and take it.
We appear to be bent on Option 3 far more than Option 1, but if everybody knows how important oil is to us, why do we need to keep it a secret? Why did we have to pretend that invading Iraq had anything to do with WMDs or 9/11?
And we wonder why the rest of the world has a rather negative view of us.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amIn March 2003, when the U.S. first invaded Iraq, the price of oil was roughly US$35 a barrel. Just two weeks ago, however, oil prices reached “above US$80 a barrel for the first time ever.â€
So just imagine how much higher the cost would have gone up if we hadn’t invaded Iraq. Once again, Bush does everything he can to help the Motherland, and all you guys can do is gripe.
September 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amI can see his point about disastrous consequences… what I don’t see is his point that this justified a pre-emptive invasion which as devastated our country in so many ways. To me this is yet another reason to get RID of fossil fuel based technology. Its time has long since passed, lets get the power and production ability of America behind renewable energy. Think of all the new jobs that will be created!
September 24th, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by Squegeeboo — September 24, 2007 @ 11:58 am
And the spurious logic award goes to……..
September 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSo half the worlds terrorists acts occur in Iraq. And you want to leave?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 24, 2007 @ 11:42 am
give us some documentation on the terror attacks in iraq Rsquared…… is it terror if it is directed at iraqis or americans or both? what is a terror attack? is a guy sniping an american soldier on a corner a terror attack or a insurget killing an american in his country? which is it rr then we can get to some numbers.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmDo you need to be the former head of the Federal Reserve to figure out how to sell books. No. But I guess his pseudo-confessions are better than seeing Greenspan in a sex tape.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmanother Manahattan Project…
Comment by ggibson1 — September 24, 2007 @ 11:53 am
aack! wrong title! negative conotations! bad!
how ’bout APPOLO project?
http://home.apolloalliance.org/splash.html
September 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pm.
Do you need to be the former head of the Federal Reserve to figure out how to sell books. No. But I guess his pseudo-confessions are better than seeing Greenspan in a sex tape.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
i threw up in my mouth. stop it.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmKrazny
And the spurious logic award goes to……..
I’d like to thank Kathy Griffin and her new god. With out them, none of this would have been possible.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmEver hear of cause and effect Squegeeboo?
Cause: ???
Effect: Oil prices sky rocket…
Oil is up because of speculation… the world became unstable thanks to 911 and the bushy response to it… so the stock market drove the prices up from the “risk” … oil didnt suddenly dry up… Americas oil refineries didnt get attacked… other than Katrina there is no “physical” reason for the prices to have sky rocketed…. it was world instability that caused it… and of coarse the speculators on wall street taking advantage of that instability….
September 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmand ppl criticize me for not using snarc tags
September 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmBetter get that short-term memory checked Roger. Remember there was no terrorism and no suicide/car bombs in Iraq until we got there. And they obviously won’t stop until after we leave.
That memory loss is a symptom of Alzheimers, get checked out.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmit was world instability that caused it… and of coarse the speculators on wall street taking advantage of that instability….
Comment by ggibson1 — September 24, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
and the world IN-stability was caused by…. the United States of America. Saddam was happy as a clam and stable. We kicked him into the grave.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pmBut I guess his pseudo-confessions are better than seeing Greenspan in a sex tape.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Did not need that thought right after breakfast…..
**Brillo pads to the eyeballs
September 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmManahattan Project…
Comment by ggibson1
Negative connotations? What would that be? Americas scientists and engineers in a short period of time went from a BIG maybe it will work… to the nuclear bomb itself… a HUGE leap in just a couple years… that is THE example of what we should do… the Apollo Project is a good idea… too bad it isnt getting the same financial and political backing that FDR gave to the Manhattan Project….
September 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“ALAN GREENSPAN: People do not realize in this country, for example, how tenuous our ties to international energy are. That is, we on a daily basis require continuous flow. If that flow is shut off, it causes catastrophic effects in the industrial world. And it’s that which made him far more important to get out than bin Laden.”
So, Bush accomplished exactly what they didn’t want Saddam to do, get the Iraqi oil shut off and no longer flowing, which is leading to catastrophic effects in the industrial world.
Got Team Terror!
September 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWhat, you guys don’t see the resemblence between Greenspan and George Clooney?
September 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmBut I guess his pseudo-confessions are better than seeing Greenspan in a sex tape.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
ew!ew! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEwww!!!
September 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMY EYES! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!!!!
Don’t forget Iraq oil production has decreased since the US invasion which also contributes to price rise.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:08 pmare better than seeing Greenspan in a sex tape.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
You just took a yr off my life w/ that comment.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWhy NO mention of the President of Iran’s visit to the U.N., his speaking at Columbia University or his interview with 60 minutes on TP?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/middle-east/iran/
September 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pmand of coarse the speculators on wall street taking advantage of that instability….
Comment by ggibson1 — September 24, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Hmmm… increasing demand from both China and India?
September 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmi threw up in my mouth. stop it.
Comment by bob h — September 24, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
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That phrase sounds stupid even coming from a teenage girl. Adults ought to know better. Grow up, folks. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmGrow up, folks. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Who left the door open? Seems like a rabid gerbil has scuttled in.
Jes’ kiddin’,bud! ;-)!
September 24th, 2007 at 12:16 pmOk, so now Greenspan thinks that invading Iraq to gain control of their oil is an OK thing to do? He definitely is a Conservative without Conscience.
What is wrong with this people? How can they say that because we need the natural resources of another country, instead of negotiating for those resources we simply invade their country and take what we want.
What have we become?
September 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHmmm… increasing demand from both China and India?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Good point… however does their extra demand justify a 228% increase just since bush got in office?
September 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmSo half the worlds terrorists acts occur in Iraq. And you want to leave?
Comment by Roger_Roger
This is only a true statement if you consider insurgents fighting to get the United States to stop occupying their country as “terrorists”. They are no more terrorists than we would be if Iraq invaded the US and we were fighting them to make them leave.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmThat phrase sounds stupid even coming from a teenage girl. Adults ought to know better. Grow up
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
And they say neocons have no sense of humor…….
September 24th, 2007 at 12:25 pmGuess they were right.
By any metric, the decision to invade Iraq and take the focus off bin Laden has been a disastrous strategic choice.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAh, but you didn’t account for Cheney’s “Get Me and My Buddies Rich” metric ;-)
If we want to stop another unnecessary war of aggression, we’d better start recognizing propaganda when we see or hear it. This article is written by Glenn Greenwald. Read the transcript of the 60 Minutes interview.
“Columbia to be punished for hosting the New Hitler Enemy
All of the hysteria over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s speaking at Columbia University is so tiresome for so many reasons, beginning with the fact that it is all rather transparently motivated by exactly what Juan Cole says: “The real reason his visit is controversial is that the American right has decided the United States needs to go to war against Iran. Ahmadinejad is therefore being configured as an enemy head of state.”
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2007/ 09/ 24/ ahmadinejad/ index.html
September 24th, 2007 at 12:27 pmSo just imagine how much higher the cost would have gone up if we hadn’t invaded Iraq. Once again, Bush does everything he can to help the Motherland, and all you guys can do is gripe.
Comment by Squegeeboo
Wow, that’s a great leap in logic. If we had not invaded Iraq and destabilized the middle east, we would be paying more for our gasoline today. Please point to any reliable source of information that indicates that would have happened.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI sometimes just can’t image our criminals in the WH messing things up any worse than they have. But then another day comes along and sure enough, they have. What a freaking embarassment they are. Backwards logic at it’s worst.
Ignore the “it”
Buck Fush
September 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmSee, people have been saying that “We went to Iraq to steal their oil” This isn’t quite right. We invaded Iraq to take their oil off the market and drive up the price.
China and India are strawmen.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:33 pmAll us guys can do is tell the truth.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pmBlood for oil.
Impeach Bush and Cheney!
Why do neocons find it so hard to call America, America? Why do they insist on using the same terminology as the Nazis and the Communists? This particular neocon even capitalized “Motherland.”
September 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmAdults ought to know better. Grow up
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
We’re going to take advice from a numbnut who voted for Bush twice and continues carrying his banner even now. Sure upright stupid, whatever you say.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmAdults ought to know better. Grow up
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
We’re going to take advice from a numbnut who voted for Bush twice and continues carrying his banner even now. Sure upright stupid, whatever you say.
Comment by Shayne
Actually upright left or whatever is correct…. talking like children about weird sexual insults and throwing up in your mouth doesnt lend much credibility to your arguments…
September 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pmWe’re going to take advice from a numbnut who voted for Bush twice and continues carrying his banner even now. Sure upright stupid, whatever you say.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
To be fair, he(?) did include a smiley, which has been snipped in the responses.
I’m prejudiced, though. I have to agree the expression is desperately over-used.
In. My. Opinion.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThis particular neocon even capitalized “Motherland.â€
Comment by Spudge Boy — September 24, 2007 @
Good point Spudge Boy, if W had been born sooner maybe his grandfather could have got him a gig in Nazi Germany where he would have been happy and then he wouldn’t work so hard on turning the USA into a fascist state.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:42 pmIn. My. Opinion.
Comment by gummitch — September 24, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Maybe gummitch, and when he apologizes or denies voting for W I’ll feel remorse.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmManahattan Project…
Comment by ggibson1
Negative connotations? What would that be?
uuuh…
[…] the Apollo Project is a good idea… too bad it isnt getting the same financial and political backing that FDR gave to the Manhattan Project….
Comment by ggibson1 — September 24, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
maybe if it was promoted as the GOOD thing it could be,
September 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pminstead of a horrendous thing the manhattan project was…
ya think?
it can start with YOU… promote an APOLLO PROJECT FOR ENERGY.
GO!
I am pretty much down with anything, that would reduce dependence on fossil fuels, and help to not pollute the environment.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:52 pmSpudge Boy
Why do neocons find it so hard to call America, America?
I’m a neocon now? Sweet.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmIn March 2003, when the U.S. first invaded Iraq, the price of oil was roughly US$35 a barrel. Just two weeks ago, however, oil prices reached “above US$80 a barrel for the first time ever.â€
you have to realize that when republicans speak, they NEVER include all the information about what they are talking about. In this case, sure the invasion of Iraq caused the price of oil to sky rocket, but Hack Greenspan NEVER said what it is about oil that caused the cult of republicanism to invade. The answer of course is simple - its who gets the profits. What republicans couldn’t countenance is Hussein reaping the windfall of the rising profits of Peak Oil. They also couldn’t countenance Hussein selling oil in Euros or anything other than US dollars.
So sure, to republicans Hussein was a bigger threat than Bin Laden…people verses profits…being that republicans place no value on the lives of anyone other than the rich, they will take the profits every time even if it means the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pm.
Maybe gummitch, and when he apologizes or denies voting for W I’ll feel remorse.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
In the meantime, feel free to apply the sharp pointy-toed shoes.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmBlackwater is the jackboot of Bush’s fascist occupation of Iraq.
September 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmYou have always been a neocon. It is not a new thing.
Some of the other posters here may find you cute or funny, but I see you for what you are.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmAs usual Mr. Greenspan obfuscates the issue rather than enlightens.
The point is not that Middle Eastern countries could cut off the flow of oil. They have at least two choices: 1) Pour the oil in the sand 2) Sell it to us.
The fact is that Iraq’s oil industry was nationalized, as is Iran’s since 1979’s overthrow of the murderous, dictatorial Shah’s regime. The point is that US and British oil companies couldn’t profit from Iraq’s oil under Saddam Hussein. Therefore, the US had to invade.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThis particular neocon even capitalized “Motherland.â€
Comment by Spudge Boy — September 24, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Squeegie was being snarky this morning….
September 24th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHis usual self =)
Spudge Boy
You have always been a neocon. It is not a new thing.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had no idea until now that my political preferences are decided by you.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:06 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 24, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Good morning, stupid! How are ya? It’s been a while. You don’t use that phrase, do ya, bud? ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:21 pmAnd they say neocons have no sense of humor…….
Comment by Wayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Not the Lindsay Lohan variety, anyway. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:25 pmThanx Allan for clarifying what ,as you say, we all know ,that the Bush administration is quilty of war crimes and that the record breaking profits of oil companies are worth more than a million human lives .
September 24th, 2007 at 1:29 pmMorals come cheap don,t they ! You’ll make a great witness ain the Haque !
We’re going to take advice from a numbnut who voted for Bush twice and continues carrying his banner even now. Sure upright stupid, whatever you say.
Comment by Shayne — September 24, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
I’m sure by this evening you’ll have posted a link to posts showing I’m “carrying his banner.” And if the Democrats had come up with something better than Gore and Kerry-Heinz, I’d have gladly voted against Bush twice. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pmTwo things critical thinker,
1.) DC power run off batteries has some severe limitations.
2.) The waste from discarded batteries would be just as damaging as fossil fuels.
I agree with solar power, and would like to build a home, that includes solar panels on the roof to provide some of my own electricity. But we need to keep power as AC, not DC. If you are not familiar with the difference read up on Edison, Tesla, and AC/DC power.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pmKrazny, all electric power begins as DC and is converted to AC. And, the point is to get renewable battery power such as fuel cells and rechargable lithium so the discarded batteries are not a problem. Keep in mind that batteries are involved in any solar power system.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:35 pmGreenspan is one of the biggest economic frauds in American history. He is personally responsible for the biggest “bait and switch” fraud of all time - convincing boomers to pay for their own retirement by doubling the Social Security tax and then taking those funds and transfering them to the wealthiest Americans by way of Bush’s tax cuts. There has never been a bigger redistribution of wealth in the United States than in this scam. But, conservatives don’t care because it was working class money redistributed to the powerful.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pmSomeone please tell me why we are supposed to have the moral high ground when we are actually worse than most countries we claim are bad. I just do not get how the bat sh&t crazy 29%ers and neo-conservatives can peddle this much crap and have people go along with it. Has our country gone down the shitter?
September 24th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThey have at least two choices: 1) Pour the oil in the sand 2) Sell it to us.
this is no longer accurate - there are plenty of oil importers in competition with the US, and in particular China. The oil invasion was not about this moment, but who has control of the oil in the pending fierce competition for scarce oil supplies.
Also, note that the reason Russia is beginning to flex its muscle again is that its an oil exporter. In other wards, our insane refusal to get off the oil dependency in order to keep fat-cat Texans awash in the life-style they like is at the cost of empowering yet another advisary. Americans are stupid beyond belief.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:41 pm.
And if the Democrats had come up with something better than Gore and Kerry-Heinz, I’d have gladly voted against Bush twice. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
After living through the past six years and watching this derelict chimpanzee and the thugs in his crime family, anyone who uses that strawman excuse is a moron…no ifs, ands, or buts. You would have to be an absolute, knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, troglodyte to try to pull that non-sense. You should enroll in public school, the trailer park home scholl left you ignorant.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pmupright left: “And if the Democrats had come up with something better than Gore and Kerry-Heinz, I’d have gladly voted against Bush twice. ;)”
OK, so it’s established that you believed GW Bush to be preferable to either Gore or Kerry. Nice going, stupid.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI have to disagree Jack.
Power is generated by turning copper coils around powerful magnets. The copper coils cutting the magnetic flux, causes the copper lines to agitate, and generates AC power. The copper lines spinning causes a syn wave patter in AC power. Depending on how quickly the copper rotates determines the frequency. AC power can also be operated on different circuits, I can explain how a transformer works, but I think it would be pretty boring. The uptick to AC, is if I blow a circuit at my house, it will only effect my house. With DC power it would blow everything from my house to the power station.
DC power, is a straight path. A charged source sending current along a path to a finish point. I am sorry if I don’t have all the terminology right, it has been a long time since I took AC/DC power introductions.
The reason that sources like hydroelectric damns are so very useful, is they can generate a great deal of power, with very little industrial waste. The problems come in blocking up rivers, and cutting off salmon runs. Wind power is great, turning the turbine of copper around the magnets in the head of the tower, but wind power can be inconsistent. I have read of possibly using tidal generators.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAnd if the Democrats had come up with something better than Gore and Kerry-Heinz, I’d have gladly voted against Bush twice. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
don’t you ever use the truth? Must you always, always lie? You’re shit on my shoe, nothing more.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI’m sorry, Krazny, I meant to post that all battery power begins as DC and is converted to AC so that just because a source begins as DC doesn’t mean it can’t be used as an AC power source.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:50 pmSee, people have been saying that “We went to Iraq to steal their oil†This isn’t quite right. We invaded Iraq to take their oil off the market and drive up the price.
China and India are strawmen.
Comment by Spudge Boy
But, when we have total control over Iraq, we will then allow the oil back on the market and our oil companies will be the companies making major profit off the sale of Iraq oil. Forget the Iraqi citizens. It’s our oil and they have nothing to say about it. Too bad if they starve. That’s just that many less terrorists we will have to worry about. (sarcasm off)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pmYou should enroll in public school, the trailer park home scholl left you ignorant.
Comment by kasinca — September 24, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
There’s that trailer park slam again, from the tolerant left, party of the working man! Where are all the libs who have nothing but compassion for the poor rising up to condemn those who degrade people who can’t afford anything better than a trailer? Gays and poor folks: loons favorite groups for exploitation. You really ought to try a little harder to hide your hypocrisy. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:52 pmHas our country gone down the shitter?
That’s a rhetorical question…right? Of course it has gone down the shitter thanks to Bush and Company. Now, we need to flush them down the shitter and take our country back.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pmFair enough Jack. It is true you can buy converters for changing AC to DC and vis versa. I like the idea of solar power a great deal to be honest. Power can be generated in places we would not normally use, like the deserts in Nevada, and run to the rest of the country pretty easily. It may be that we do need to switch to electric cars or similar vehicles.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmAnd if the Democrats had come up with something better than Gore and Kerry-Heinz, I’d have gladly voted against Bush twice. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 24, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
don’t you ever use the truth? Must you always, always lie? You’re shit on my shoe, nothing more.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 24, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Link? ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmupright left: “There’s that trailer park slam again, from the tolerant left, party of the working man!”
What has hurt the working man more? Making jokes about trailer parks or voting for GW Bush? Bush’s policies have resulted in a loss of spending power and economic stability to people in the working class. All the silly trailer park jokes put together aren’t as damaging to the working class as your support of this sociopathic corporatist.
September 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmhad no idea until now that my political preferences are decided by you.
Comment by Squegeeboo — September 24, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Funny you’re confusing decisions with facts
September 24th, 2007 at 2:00 pmAll the silly trailer park jokes put together aren’t as damaging to the working class as your support of this sociopathic corporatist.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 24, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
And that’s what makes it ok for libs, who claim to be so caring and tolerant, to use those folks and their situation as an insult? Sounds an awfully lot like the hypocrisy libs love to point out in others. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by criticalthinker
part of the value of AC is its ability to send electricity long distances without melting the cables.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:10 pmA Manhattan Project could result in centralized or decentralized architecture…
The point of the Manhatan Project that is so important is that a goal was choosen… scientists were allowed to go all out to obtain that goal … no outside interests (profits for oil companies) were allowed to taint what the scientists and engineers were doing…
When salesmen and office managers try to act like they are scientists and engineers and tell the REAL scientists and engineers how to go about their business … failure always results…
September 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIt will never stop because we don’t even elect our officials. The elitists do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E
September 24th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI don’t decide anything that has to do with you. I just calls ‘em like everybody sees ‘em.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pmEXPENSIVE oscillators that became CHEAP with the introduction of todays high power high current semiconductors.
Comment by criticalthinker — September 24, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
You could admit that I am partially right. I do at least know how electricity is generated. I understand you point however. I think as we produce the keys to solar power, and other non-polluting sources, the cost will go down. Their is also the start-up investment, that would well be worth not using fossil fews in say 20-30 years. Or whenever the oil supply runs out.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmUL - take your hurt feelings home to your Mom.
No one is obliged, by virtue of political stripe, to tolerate bullsh*t.
Our liberal Founders didn’t tolerate King James, Redcoats, or Tories, and we don’t tolerate righty propagandists and their taskmasters.
Go feign shock and indignation elsewhere. No one here buys the act.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment #96
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had no idea until now that my political preferences are decided by you.
Comment by Squegeeboo — September 24, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I don’t decide anything that has to do with you. I just calls ‘em like everybody sees ‘em.
Comment by Spudge Boy — September 24, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
I agree. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
September 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmRon - Kindly suspend your cut-and-paste assault. You’re wasting bandwidth, and only amusing yourself.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThe point of the Manhatan Project that is so important is that a goal was choosen… scientists were allowed to go all out to obtain that goal […]
Comment by ggibson1 — September 24, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
was this not true for the APOLLO PROJECT?
do you not understand why it’s important to label ANY project of this kind as something POSITIVE and not negative, such as nuclear war?
September 24th, 2007 at 3:57 pm…
even NIXON is preferable to George W. Bush. You REALLY have to go pretty far to beat Nixon for being a total a**hole.
September 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHere are two hot clips from Greenspan’s appearance with Tim Russert on Meet The Press:
VIDEOS
Alan Greenspan: The Iraq War is Largely About Oil
http://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=7c626177-7df1-4aab-820d-30147db847b3
Alan Greenspan Criticizes Bush/GOP Spending
September 24th, 2007 at 4:33 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=364a5dec-8930-4e23-8ae4-f35109f31ee1
Oh……I just *love* how these guys slip up and ACCIDENTALLY tell the truth - and then they fall all over themselves trying to take it back.
*eyeroll*
September 24th, 2007 at 6:40 pmuprightleft: “And that’s what makes it ok for libs, who claim to be so caring and tolerant, to use those folks and their situation as an insult? Sounds an awfully lot like the hypocrisy libs love to point out in others. ;)”
I didn’t say it was ok. I don’t make “trailer park” jokes myself because I think they are elitist. I’m just saying is that it’s ironic that someone who supports a president and party which has made life much tougher on the working classes would sit there and pretend to care about trailer park residents. You can’t really care about working class people if you support Bush and if you think you do, you’re just fooling yourself.
September 24th, 2007 at 6:49 pmUL - take your hurt feelings home to your Mom.
No one is obliged, by virtue of political stripe, to tolerate bullsh*t.
Go feign shock and indignation elsewhere. No one here buys the act.
Comment by tombaker — September 24, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
I’d probably be a little angry if the intended insult applied to me, tommie boy. Since it doesn’t, I’m neither hurt nor angry. I am, however, amused at your loonie response. According to views on this site, anytime a lib is called on their hypocrisy, it’s actually someone else feigning shock and indignation. Or it’s someone else using a strawman. Or it’s someone else…….whatever. Always someone else’s fault or someone else’s responsibility, eh bud? ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI didn’t say it was ok. I don’t make “trailer park†jokes myself because I think they are elitist. I’m just saying is that it’s ironic that someone who supports a president and party which has made life much tougher on the working classes would sit there and pretend to care about trailer park residents. You can’t really care about working class people if you support Bush and if you think you do, you’re just fooling yourself.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 24, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
I don’t support a lot of what Bush has done. I voted for him because he claimed he would support conservative ideals. He hasn’t done that. I also voted for him because of the candidates chosen by Dems. I’d happily vote for a conservative Democrat. I would never have voted for a Republican if the Dem party hadn’t been hijacked by ultra liberals. ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 11:02 pmGreenspan has always been arrogant. A disciple of Ayn Rand and an espouser of the ultralibertarian nonsense of that eco-sect, how else can Greenspan think other than to believe that to the mighty goes the spoils, regardless of what ancient civilizations might have mistaken built their cities upon those spoils.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:49 am> I would never have voted for a Republican
>if the Dem party hadn’t been hijacked by
>ultra liberals.
I call B.S.
The last Democrat deserving of your vote was?
Oh, and by the way, calling someone redneck (aka klanlovin, ignorant bigot) trailer trash isnt an attack on all people who are poor, or even all people who live in trailers. Is calling a guy who bombs abortion clinics a “relgious wacko” an attack on all religious people?
Allegations of hipocracy, from someone who voted for a guy who starts wars based on lies but refuses allow tax dollars to be used to experiment on single celled entities destined for the garbage because “he wont allow taxpayer money to be used for the taking of innocent life”.. hahahahahah.
If the democratic party was “ultra-liberal” this war would already have been defunded, because one thing a majority CAN do in congress is not do anything. Stop pretending your anything but a dyed in the wool flaghumping republican.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:35 amThere has never been an “ultra-liberal” anything in the U.S.. But there will be, in time. We’re still behind the curve of civilization somewhat (not our fault - we got a late start) but we are headed, quite ineluctably, toward true liberalism. What we are witnessing now, if you will, is the “death throes” of a lot of “old world” thinking that has lurked in the dark corners of our society since its establishment. History, like geology, is not always a high-speed process, though either can be punctuated with dramatic events.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:14 pm“The last Democrat deserving of your vote was?”
Not that it’s any of your business, but it was John Sharp.
“Oh, and by the way, calling someone redneck (aka klanlovin, ignorant bigot) trailer trash isnt an attack on all people who are poor, or even all people who live in trailers. Is calling a guy who bombs abortion clinics a “relgious wacko†an attack on all religious people?”
Trailer trash is a reference to a group of people as is redneck. An abortion clinic bomber is an individual. The two don’t compare. If you use the term trailer trash, don’t claim to care about the poor or you are a hypocrite, bud.
“Allegations of hipocracy, from someone who voted for a guy who starts wars based on lies but refuses allow tax dollars to be used to experiment on single celled entities destined for the garbage because “he wont allow taxpayer money to be used for the taking of innocent lifeâ€.. hahahahahah.”
I see. As long as you get to decide who is eligible for killing, everything is ok. Got it! ;)
“If the democratic party was “ultra-liberal†this war would already have been defunded, because one thing a majority CAN do in congress is not do anything. Stop pretending your anything but a dyed in the wool flaghumping republican.”
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 25, 2007 @ 6:35 am
Where did I say that a majority of the Democrat party is currently ultra liberal? Ultra libs were taking control back in the 70’s. That’s why Reagan was elected in the 80’s and many conservative dems became Republicans. Dems swung back nearer to the middle in most of America. Obvious bastions of lib lunacy excepted. Now the hard left is rearing it’s ugly head again with the issue of the war driving normal people back to the dems. ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pm“There has never been an “ultra-liberal†anything in the U.S.. ”
Of course there has.
“But there will be, in time.”
Comment by tombaker — September 25, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Yes, there will be more, since we already know the moral decline in the U.S. and the world will continue. ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmoverall, the world is more peaceful now than at any time in history, thanks totally to the efforts of Progressives and Liberals - time for UL to do some more fact-checking.
the only “moral decline” I see much about is that of righties, who keep getting caught doing the sickest things.
is your defense that married lesbians MADE them do it??
September 25th, 2007 at 6:00 pmoverall, the world is more peaceful now than at any time in history, thanks totally to the efforts of Progressives and Liberals - time for UL to do some more fact-checking.
the only “moral decline†I see much about is that of righties, who keep getting caught doing the sickest things.
is your defense that married lesbians MADE them do it??
Comment by tombaker — September 25, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Peace doesn’t equate with morality, tommie boy. Sick behavior is the result of people giving in to deviant desires. Deviance is present in all groups. Most righties at least have sense enough to be ashamed of their deviant urges. That doesn’t mean they never give in to it. Immorality is rampant in our society and it will only get worse. And folks like you will be in the lead. ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 6:21 pmI think that, if we could ask Jesus, he’d rate peace as a pretty good indicator of collective morality. Jesus was all about peace - and socialism.
larry craig doesn’t look to be too ashamed, strutting his creepy old junk around D.C. like he’d just gotten a speeding ticket.
you’re edging over towards hysterical now - accusing me of some unknown immorality leadership thing or something, so i’m going to leave you alone to your apocaplypse forecasting.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:36 pm“I think that, if we could ask Jesus, he’d rate peace as a pretty good indicator of collective morality. Jesus was all about peace - and socialism.”
So you are still holding to “Jesus is a socialist” even though you admitted you have no evidence of that. Not exactly sound theology or logic, but if it works for ya, fine.
I make a point of knowing as little as possible about gay sex, but I assume it’s generally peaceful. It’s still immoral. That pesky immorality again. ;)
“larry craig doesn’t look to be too ashamed, strutting his creepy old junk around D.C. like he’d just gotten a speeding ticket.”
Obviously he had sense enough to be ashamed of it, so he hid it. Unfortunately, he gave in to it. He’s slimey because of his behavior, not his politics.
“you’re edging over towards hysterical now - accusing me of some unknown immorality leadership thing or something, so i’m going to leave you alone to your apocaplypse forecasting.”
Comment by tombaker — September 25, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Not hysterical in the least, bud. I’m quite content with the whole situation because I know how it’ll end and that I’ll be fine. You might have noticed that I said folks like you, not you personally, will lead the way to decline. Don’t worry, you won’t take all the responsibility. ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 9:11 pm