this statement is a fact-free lie.

It is a fact that healthcare administrative costs for the Veteran’s Administration and Medicare are a fraction of what they are for private industry, i.e., the government delivers healthcare at a fraction of the overhead of private industry. FEMA under Clinton was a model of efficiency and effectiveness far greater than most corporations. The WICA program and headstart have been studied over and over again a models of beneficial and effective programs. If you spend any time in a well funded, well administered public school district you would know that the cost to benefit ratio of the work of the school district is overwhelmingly in favor of public benefit. There are countless other examples.

This cult of republicanism ‘the government can’t do anything right’ is pure horseshit and slander based on nothing more that the greed and selfishness of the right. It just so much more made-up fact-free excuses for the bastards of the right to horde obscene wealth in lieu of helping people in need.
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Why do you think our country is the only industrialized nation that can not figure out how to provide universal health care? It is done else where, people are happy..we don’t and have 18,000 a year die because of no access to health care. These are not the elderly or disabled as they have medicare. These are the working class. The VA health care system works well, patients are happy with it and would be a good model financially.
Your kind of mind set is certainly in the very slim minority.

“Why not go with Universal health care – the real Universal plan Kucinich has outlined completely eliminating the insurance Co altogether? They soak up, what, about 30% of the cost where as single payer for all would cost 3% for administrative costs. Then there would be no problem with business’s trying to cover the health care cost… also many companies may move back tot he US. It is a win – win for all except the insurance companies.”

When the government “holds” the cash, they spend it, as seen with Social Security, so I do not want any funds in their “bank”.

Simply mandating coverage on all individuals, and subsidizing the costs of the mandate with taxpayer money, allows the government time to develop a competing program to the insurance companies. If the government is successful, citizens will choose their plan. If they are not, citizens will stay with their insurnace companies. I think it is an excellent way of seguing with out losing what is already working for most Americans.

why do you think that?
who told you you should think that?
wasn’t it government institutions that pulled us out of the great depression and won WWII?

is a company like Enron more efficient than HUD?

if so, in exactly what ways?

If we wanted to hear what Rush Limbaugh or Glennnn Beck think, we could watch/listen. We don’t need parrots to get up in here with a secondhand version of what those guys say.

1. Anything the government has tried to do for the betterment of Americans is always been mismanaged, over budget, and a complete failure.
The government does a fine job managing the VA system… there are no complaints.
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2. Social security is a mess
To fix SS all we have to do is undo the cap Reagan put on …Right now the cap is set at $90,000.. if you make more than that you pay to SS is what is set at $90,000.
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3 Hillary Clinton was closely associated with healthcare 10 years ago She still is and she is bought by the insurance companies
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4. Canadian pts who say their socialized medicine is a joke, and they are paying 40 and 50 % income taxes.
That is such bull crap and you know it. Don’t feed that load of crap to this audience.
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5. I have said before, put the government in charge and you will have shortages
As health care is now FOR PROFIT the insurance industry makes a profit by denying care.
Those using medicare and the VA medical care system have no complaints. The VA system is a good model on how a government health care system can be run financially.

Comment by Monkeyfister —

You are absolutely right. Mike Malloy and Ray Taliaferro have talked about this. If the masses do not hear about it therefore not do this, another day needs to be set until all get it.

Comment by bilbobaggins
It is all too obvious Kucinich is the pick for progressives. Thom Hartman did an on the spot short poll – giving no warning for righties to mess it up… 26 called in for Kucinich, 12 for Edwards, 4 for Obama and 1 for Hillary. Ray Taliaferro was talking up Obama, then a few minutes later he stated that many emails came in and all were for Kucinich. Now he says the pundits have decided it will be Hillary. Here at TP, we all seem to be for Kucinich, with some stating he will never win.
But MSM and some righties appear to be pushing for Hillary… they have our primary picked for us. Hillary is the most corporate friendly and Kucinich is the least.

Not to mention that Hillary Clinton was closely associated with healthcare 10 years ago and now has it as a major part of her platform. As Hillary is the antichrist,…..

What will they do ?

Solidarity.

–mf

At this point that is Dennis Kucinich. But he can’t be president because the MSM has decided he can’t be president.

Comment by bilbobaggins — September 24, 2007 @ 8:25 pm

Amen.

Let’s join the First World.

The last I heard they were. Especially the auto industry. Toyota recently opened a new plant in Canada that they would have opened here if not for the high cost of health care.

Dennis Kucinich has crunched the numbers and says that if we were to extend Medicare to every person in this country tomorrow, the cost to this country would be 1/3 the cost of health care under private health care companies. And, this included raising the rates paid to doctors, which Bush has lowered every year he has been in office. The quality of our health care would also go up because there would be no more wrangling about whether or not someone should get a certain treatment. If your doctor says you need it, you get it.

Kucinich is the only candidate who is not afraid of the health care industry and has proposed universal health care. Hillary has rolled out a “for profit” version of universal health care that won’t be universal and will just end up costing us more. It’s time we say goodbye to the health care companies and make health care a right instead of a privilege. It’s time we join the rest of the industrialized nations in the world.