Comments on: Podhoretz Granted Secret Access To Lobby Bush On ‘The Case For Bombing Iran’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:27:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Joe13 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4091168 Joe13 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:37:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4091168 Nuclear bombs do not kill people. People kill people. My opinion is that even if Iran had a nuclear device they would never use it except in self defense. Look at how many times the US and Israel have threatened Iran and Iran still hasn't retaliated. Only a very ignorant country would attack another with nuclear weapons. (Hmmm, we did it but there's always an exception to the rule.) And then there's the Depleted Uranium we're pouring all over Iraq. (OK, that's two exceptions to the rule.) Then there's the DU we poured all over Kosovo... (hmm, three exceptions). Evidently WE (US) think Iran is as nuts as we are. OK, lets nuke 'em! --jws Nuclear bombs do not kill people. People kill people. My opinion is that even if Iran had a nuclear device they would never use it except in self defense. Look at how many times the US and Israel have threatened Iran and Iran still hasn’t retaliated. Only a very ignorant country would attack another with nuclear weapons. (Hmmm, we did it but there’s always an exception to the rule.) And then there’s the Depleted Uranium we’re pouring all over Iraq. (OK, that’s two exceptions to the rule.) Then there’s the DU we poured all over Kosovo… (hmm, three exceptions). Evidently WE (US) think Iran is as nuts as we are. OK, lets nuke ‘em! –jws

]]> By: refidude http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4090734 refidude Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:04:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4090734 Why do these people insist on using the rediculous term "islamofascist"? What in the world does fascism have to do with what these people are all about? Fascism is corporate governance. The term was coined by Benito Mussolini when he named the heads of Italian industry to his cabinet thus allowing them to make policy. Obviously the policy favored business and oppressed the workers as one would expect. We have a fine example of this type of governance right here in the U.S. But I ask again, what does fascism have to do with religious extremism? I suspect that whoever coined this phrase was just looking for a term that would cause a negative kneejerk reaction from intelectually lazy people who don't have the foggiest clue what fascism actually is, but they know it's bad. Why do these people insist on using the rediculous term “islamofascist”? What in the world does fascism have to do with what these people are all about? Fascism is corporate governance. The term was coined by Benito Mussolini when he named the heads of Italian industry to his cabinet thus allowing them to make policy. Obviously the policy favored business and oppressed the workers as one would expect. We have a fine example of this type of governance right here in the U.S. But I ask again, what does fascism have to do with religious extremism? I suspect that whoever coined this phrase was just looking for a term that would cause a negative kneejerk reaction from intelectually lazy people who don’t have the foggiest clue what fascism actually is, but they know it’s bad.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4090676 Leftside Annie Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:35:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4090676 Chocolate Jesus - "let" it happen...? Perhaps I'm a rabidly paranoid conspiracy theorist, but I believe they are MAKING it happen. Cynically, coldly and deliberately. The ultra-rich neo-con elite - men who have no nationality and no loyalty except to their wealth - are making this happen to reduce the entire world to a master/slave economy in which THEY will be the masters and will rule over all of us. Our very existence will depend on their largesse. They will control the water. They will control the fuel. They will control the food. They will control the medicine. We will be forced to scrabble for our existence - at their pleasure. We are being duped by these men. We are being used; whipped up into a patriotic froth and then sent to die in our thousands - against the "enemy" they have manufactured for our benefit. And I despair of the fools who don't see it, who are too wrapped up in driving their Hummers and watching their plasma TV's. Chocolate Jesus – “let” it happen…?

Perhaps I’m a rabidly paranoid conspiracy theorist, but I believe they are MAKING it happen. Cynically, coldly and deliberately.

The ultra-rich neo-con elite – men who have no nationality and no loyalty except to their wealth – are making this happen to reduce the entire world to a master/slave economy in which THEY will be the masters and will rule over all of us.

Our very existence will depend on their largesse. They will control the water. They will control the fuel. They will control the food. They will control the medicine. We will be forced to scrabble for our existence – at their pleasure.

We are being duped by these men. We are being used; whipped up into a patriotic froth and then sent to die in our thousands – against the “enemy” they have manufactured for our benefit.

And I despair of the fools who don’t see it, who are too wrapped up in driving their Hummers and watching their plasma TV’s.

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4090374 Chocolate Jesus Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:52:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4090374 >China is having a field day with this right now. > A good chunk of the funding for Iraq has been > borrowed from China. This is a good point, and one the flaghumping rightards will never touch. For 2 reasons: 1) They have been completely brainwashed and are so deluded they truly beleive in the myth of american invulnerability. 2) They undersand nothing but brute force. The concept of international power being weilded through economic might is something they are unable to understand. Thus, they loudly decry liberals as "tax and spend" but think nothing of the "borrow money from china and spend that borrowed money to to make unending war" mantra. They beleive it will have no consequences because thier foresight is next to nil. If you quoted Dick Cheney in 94 without telling them who the quote was from, they'd be blindly lashing out at the guy because thats what their leaders have told them to do... While these guys go around boasting and bragging about our inevitable (at some point) defeat of guerillas in a shattered 3rd world middle eastern country, they ignore china slowly slipping its economic tentacles around around our throat. I've got news for you pack of flaghumping idiots....the united states would be knocked into a total economic collapse if china dumped all the american dollars and other investments they had now. Granted, it would hurt china and the world as well, but our country in particular would be crippled by it. Deny it all you want, anyone with a basic understand of geopolitical economics knows its true... china is now more powerful than us, and we've let it happen because our leaders have led us to belive that we can fight the entire world and win... >China is having a field day with this right now.
> A good chunk of the funding for Iraq has been
> borrowed from China.

This is a good point, and one the flaghumping rightards will never touch.
For 2 reasons:

1) They have been completely brainwashed and are so deluded they truly beleive in the myth of american invulnerability.

2) They undersand nothing but brute force. The concept of international power being weilded through economic might is something they are unable to understand. Thus, they loudly decry liberals as “tax and spend” but think nothing of the “borrow money from china and spend that borrowed money to to make unending war” mantra. They beleive it will have no consequences because thier foresight is next to nil. If you quoted Dick Cheney in 94 without telling them who the quote was from, they’d be blindly lashing out at the guy because thats what their leaders have told them to do…

While these guys go around boasting and bragging about our inevitable (at some point) defeat of guerillas in a shattered 3rd world middle eastern country, they ignore china slowly slipping its economic tentacles around around our throat.

I’ve got news for you pack of flaghumping idiots….the united states would be knocked into a total economic collapse if china dumped all the american dollars and other investments they had now. Granted, it would hurt china and the world as well, but our country in particular would be crippled by it. Deny it all you want, anyone with a basic understand of geopolitical economics knows its true… china is now more powerful than us, and we’ve let it happen because our leaders have led us to belive that we can fight the entire world and win…

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4090193 Xisithrus Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:57:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4090193 Why do good people die young and these scum get to go on forever. Comment by mike c Oh they may enjoy their time on this realm, but they certainly wont enjoy the next =) They are fools who dont yet realize the next step. Why do good people die young and these scum get to go on forever.
Comment by mike c

Oh they may enjoy their time on this realm, but they certainly wont enjoy the next =) They are fools who dont yet realize the next step.

]]> By: mike c http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089861 mike c Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:27:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089861 Why do good people die young and these scum get to go on forever. Why do good people die young and these scum get to go on forever.

]]> By: Cal Malenky http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089615 Cal Malenky Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:50:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089615 NormPod has the mentality of the Columbine terrorists. Picked on as a child, he harbors a lifetime of resentment and desires violent revenge on any perceived threat. But someone else's kids will execute his desires. Praying for Iran to be bombed is like a football coach praying for victory, as if God takes sides. The fact that he has the ear of the president, who follows the last person to advise him, is truly frightening. NormPod is a psychopath. NormPod has the mentality of the Columbine terrorists.
Picked on as a child, he harbors a lifetime of resentment and desires violent revenge on any perceived threat. But someone else’s kids will execute his desires. Praying for Iran to be bombed is like a football coach praying for victory, as if God takes sides.
The fact that he has the ear of the president, who follows the last person to advise him, is truly frightening.
NormPod is a psychopath.

]]> By: Luis M http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089598 Luis M Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:44:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089598 <em>Your right, Bombing Iran to slow or stop their progress toward a nuke weapon is radical. Lets just back away and let them build it! That isn’t radical at all. Comment by Roger_Roger — September 24, 2007 @ 1:34 pm </em> Howzabout actually verifying that Iran is making progress towards a nuke, or even wants to build one? Your right,
Bombing Iran to slow or stop their progress toward a nuke weapon is radical. Lets just back away and let them build it! That isn’t radical at all.
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 24, 2007 @ 1:34 pm

Howzabout actually verifying that Iran is making progress towards a nuke, or even wants to build one?

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089476 Xisithrus Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:53:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089476 he complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us, Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm Why would you listen to Horowitz? he goes around making college speeches but conveniently leaves out Rove and Norquist having meetings with Sami Al-Arian. And as far as your ends equal the means you need look no further than Reed or Scanlon and Abramoff. A rightist radical is no different than a leftist radical. IE Neo-cons. he complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means

Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm

Why would you listen to Horowitz? he goes around making college speeches but conveniently leaves out Rove and Norquist having meetings with Sami Al-Arian. And as far as your ends equal the means you need look no further than Reed or Scanlon and Abramoff. A rightist radical is no different than a leftist radical. IE Neo-cons.

]]> By: michaelsch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089466 michaelsch Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:50:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089466 > Podhoretz = Zionist psychopath It's not that simple. All neo-cons, psychopaths or not are fully loyal to the following principle: America's main (practically only) purpose is to provide security to the Jewish state, AKA "Israel". For them this principle is above American Constitution as well as above the interests of American people. There is no difference for that matter between neo-cons associated (today) with Republicans and those staying with Dems. Wulfowitz is no better nor worse than Sen. Lieberman for this matter. The problem is: all American media is actively pronoting this principle, forcing every political leader to accept it. Do You think M. Romney or H. Clinton will be different. OK, OK, under Clinton neo-cons will be called neo-libs, of course, they won't be liberals exactly as they are not conservative today. The main thing is: their loyalty belongs to something completely external to their country. They won't hesitatate to reduce USA to a third world country within 15-20 years if this will serve their cause. BTW, I think the only presidential candidate to stand against this situation is Ron Paul, which automatically garantees him mass media hostility. At any rate it's time for Americans to decide tha American politicians should serve USA first not other entities, and to vote out those who can't. Unfortunately as elections of Connecticut senator show American people are not very good in this. > Podhoretz = Zionist psychopath
It’s not that simple.
All neo-cons, psychopaths or not are fully loyal to the following principle:
America’s main (practically only) purpose is to provide security to the Jewish state, AKA “Israel”. For them this principle is above American Constitution as well as above the interests of American people. There is no difference for that matter between neo-cons associated (today) with Republicans and those staying with Dems. Wulfowitz is no better nor worse than Sen. Lieberman for this matter.
The problem is: all American media is actively pronoting this principle, forcing every political leader to accept it. Do You think M. Romney or H. Clinton will be different. OK, OK, under Clinton neo-cons will be called neo-libs, of course, they won’t be liberals exactly as they are not conservative today. The main thing is: their loyalty belongs to something completely external to their country. They won’t hesitatate to reduce USA to a third world country within 15-20 years if this will serve their cause.
BTW, I think the only presidential candidate to stand against this situation is Ron Paul, which automatically garantees him mass media hostility.
At any rate it’s time for Americans to decide tha American politicians should serve USA first not other entities, and to vote out those who can’t.
Unfortunately as elections of Connecticut senator show American people are not very good in this.

]]> By: upside99 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089456 upside99 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:46:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089456 <em>The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us, Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm</em> Are you being sarcastic of do you actually believe what you just wrote? If you believe it, it has to be the funniest thing written here so far today. If there is any group that is radically trying to have the ends justify the means, it is your Codpiece-in-Chief and his NeoCon Flying Circus who are BEGGING for WWIII and the End of Days. That is what keeps me up in a cold sweat at night, and the fact that peo-ple like you (Assuming you are serious) still take the BushCo enema with a firehose. The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means

Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm

Are you being sarcastic of do you actually believe what you just wrote?

If you believe it, it has to be the funniest thing written here so far today. If there is any group that is radically trying to have the ends justify the means, it is your Codpiece-in-Chief and his NeoCon Flying Circus who are BEGGING for WWIII and the End of Days.

That is what keeps me up in a cold sweat at night, and the fact that peo-ple like you (Assuming you are serious) still take the BushCo enema with a firehose.

]]> By: austex http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089398 austex Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:29:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089398 Veritas: He is very fond of the codger - the two are close enough for his hands to be on the old mans johnson. Veritas: He is very fond of the codger – the two are close enough for
his hands to be on the old mans johnson.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089380 Krazny Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:19:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089380 Sure does sound like the President of Columbia University and the students "sat in awed silence" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070924/ap_on_re_us/iran_us LOL, Bryon at least check your sources, before you post irrational junk. Sure does sound like the President of Columbia University and the students “sat in awed silence”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070924/ap_on_re_us/iran_us

LOL, Bryon at least check your sources, before you post irrational junk.

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-2/#comment-4089376 Veritas Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:17:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089376 Austex: I'm taking bets with you. Where are Bush's hands?? Austex: I’m taking bets with you. Where are Bush’s hands??

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089370 Veritas Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:16:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089370 Podhorst looks like he's right out of Hilter's Their Reich. Yowie-ewwwww. Podhorst looks like he’s right out of Hilter’s Their Reich. Yowie-ewwwww.

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089369 Veritas Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:15:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089369 Is Podhorst a walking ghost? What the heck is this guy having any dialogue about anything credible or contemporary at all? He's got one foot on a banana peel and the other in his coffin, for goodness sakes. The fact that he even gets access to Bush's ear makes the case for mucho dinery being thrown Bush's way - called payola back in the day. Get this half-dead skeleton on down the next ramp please. Is Podhorst a walking ghost? What the heck is this guy having any dialogue about anything credible or contemporary at all? He’s got one foot on a banana peel and the other in his coffin, for goodness sakes. The fact that he even gets access to Bush’s ear makes the case for mucho dinery being thrown Bush’s way – called payola back in the day.
Get this half-dead skeleton on down the next ramp please.

]]> By: austex http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089368 austex Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:14:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089368 Bush "listening diligently" hah, more like diligently fondling his war hard on. Bush “listening diligently” hah, more like diligently fondling
his war hard on.

]]> By: AngryOne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089335 AngryOne Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:54:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089335 The third visit to New York by the bombastic Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is producing predictable howls of protest. But largely lost in the build-up of the Ahmadinejad-Bush confrontation are the striking - and disturbing - similarities between the two men and their respective followers. For the details, see: <b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000767.htm" rel="nofollow">"Ahmadinejad and Bush: Parallels and Second Comings."</a></b> The third visit to New York by the bombastic Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is producing predictable howls of protest. But largely lost in the build-up of the Ahmadinejad-Bush confrontation are the striking – and disturbing – similarities between the two men and their respective followers.

For the details, see:
“Ahmadinejad and Bush: Parallels and Second Comings.”

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089325 tombaker Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:47:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089325 Podhoretz = Zionist psychopath. I was forced to read his BS in college poli-sci. Propaganda disguised as scholarship would be a very generous assessment. Hey Ron! - How's your terrorist kissin' buddies doin? Podhoretz = Zionist psychopath. I was forced to read his BS in college poli-sci. Propaganda disguised as scholarship would be a very generous assessment.

Hey Ron! – How’s your terrorist kissin’ buddies doin?

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-4089319 TripMaster Monkey Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:41:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/podhoretz-bush-meeting/#comment-4089319 <i>Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm</i> I read his very well-written autobiography last summer, and was highly impressed with his erudition and reasonableness. Thinking he's an interesting writer, it is a quite shocking letdown to see this book even in print; it should have stayed as a thought in his head. Perhaps I was taken in by what may actually have been an act, a cleverly designed portrayal of a critically minded man with an intellectual journey but, in actuality, the same ideologue he was when he helped flack for Stalinist Russia. Maybe, and maybe not. What is certain is that this particular book is nothing more than a hysterical diatribe with little basis in fact, if any. I'll give it two stars to be charitable, since I pity this guy. See, ron? I can cut-n-paste <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/customer-reviews/089526076X" rel="nofollow">customer reviews of books</a> too. Dolt. Comment by ron — September 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm

I read his very well-written autobiography last summer, and was highly impressed with his erudition and reasonableness. Thinking he’s an interesting writer, it is a quite shocking letdown to see this book even in print; it should have stayed as a thought in his head. Perhaps I was taken in by what may actually have been an act, a cleverly designed portrayal of a critically minded man with an intellectual journey but, in actuality, the same ideologue he was when he helped flack for Stalinist Russia. Maybe, and maybe not. What is certain is that this particular book is nothing more than a hysterical diatribe with little basis in fact, if any. I’ll give it two stars to be charitable, since I pity this guy.

See, ron? I can cut-n-paste customer reviews of books too.

Dolt.

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