Here on the Central Coast of California, veterans have to go over 200 miles south to the L.A. VA hospital or over 200 miles north to the San Jose VA hospital. If we had single-payer healthcare, they could go to a hospital here—they wouldn’t have to go to a special hospital. And with what the rest of the developed world has, there is no in network nor out of network.

It just needs more funding. It had sufficient funding through the 70’s and had a resurgence during the Clinton administration. Republicans want to gut it. So, if you have a problem with the VA, look to your own party for answers.

Gosh ron, I’m not in the medical field, but I did know that. What gives?

Yes, these are personal attacks. Wow, I was able to respond in spite of the fact that I’m on the “ignore list.” Poor Jake. His “ignore list” doesn’t prevent anyone from doing anything. It’s a product of his delusional mind.

When he’s not lying, he’s busy crafting slimy strawman arguments… and all in service to preventing children from getting healthcare. Jake, is Hannible Lecter on your “heros list?”

A snapshot of Jakes values: healthcare for congresspeople and senators? Fine. Healthcare for our nation’s children? No.

There are few ways to describe how ugly Jake’s positions are.

Again, just a balls-out lie. Jake might as well be standing there with Dana Perino.

I suggest that everyone who is on Jake’s imaginary “ignore list” continue to catalog and expose his many lies and distortions. Since you’re already on his “ignore list” he can’t respond without looking like the fool he is. And, of course he sees the repudiations because there really isn’t an “ignore list.”

ron, you’re just wrong about that. There are tens of thousands of highly trained engineers and programmers who have been replaced with outsourcing to India or have been replaced by green-card immigrants who will work for much less money.

Again, a lie. In this case, though, it does seem more like ignorance. The preamble does, after all, include the words, “provide for the general welfare.”

I think it’s a combination of lying AND ignorance, a very bad combo.

A lie by distortion. FEMA ran great under Clinton, who had the intelligence to hire a disaster management expert instead of a crony.

Jake comes on these boards every day and lies through his teeth. His lies are as easy to rebuke as shooting fish in a barrel. Still, sometimes I wonder if it isn’t just ignorance and stupidity at work here.

Like so many of the things Jake posts, this is an outright lie. Joe Kennedy didn’t like Jews and he may have had ambivalent feelings about what Hitler had done in Germany. But it is a lie to say that he “helped Hitler.” Why does Jake insist on lying on these boards?

But, really, few issues get today’s conservatives more fired up than the idea that we would give more healthcare for children in this country. And, this issue is a great one because it reveals the ugliness of current conservative thought. Ron and Jake: fight the good fight. You keep crusading AGAINST childrens’ healthcare. It simply continues to remind people of how ugly both of you are.

Comment by ron — September 26, 2007 @ 10:20 am

Nope…not a bad price at all.

Several of you have referenced Dennis Kucinich in this thread. I am reminded of a post on crooksandliars.com from a guy who was contacted by a research firm taking a poll on the Dem candidates. You’ll love this:

My New Hampshire phone rings (caller ID 000-000-0000 WTF?)and I pick it up out of curiosity. “This is (talking like a magpie so I haven’t got a clue what the name of the company is) Research. Would you like to be part of a poll for the Democratic presidential primary candidate?” I agree and the woman rapidly reads the list of candidates. “Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Richardson.” I say, “Kucinich.” The woman on the phone says “Who?” I say, “Kucinich. Dennis Kucinich.” I hear coaching in the background – apparently the call is being monitored. “I’m sorry, but Dennis Kucinich is not on our list. Is there anyone on the list I gave you who you would vote for?”

Note that Mike Gravel wasn’t on the firm’s list either.

I’m sorry sir, but “dairy” is a little too close for to “fairy” for Ron’s taste. He only takes coupons for manly, non-gay innuendo things like “beef”.

Can’t you see Ron + Jake getting all misty eyed and dreamy when the president of Iran was talking about a land without gays?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 26, 2007 @ 9:08 am

Heh. I’ve got some coupons from the local grocery store for a free half gallon of ice cream and a gallon of milk. I’m sure we could work out some kind of trade…

you mean bush’s government? last I checked, clinton didn’t ignore warnings of natural disaster and leave it all in the capeable hands of a guy whose previous job was getting horses horny…

Ah yes, so your “patients” are actually M.R.I. machines? hahahah. Using the terms patients to try and make yourself sound like your doctor.

Idiot. The people who use the machines you service are about as much your patients as people who sh@t in the toilets plumbers fix are the plumbers “business partners”.. hahah.

Ron does. He takes footstamps and whataburger coupons.