Reid: Lieberman-Kyl amendment being revised.
At a press conference this afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said that the hawkish amendment on Iran being offered by Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) is now being revised prior to a Senate vote on the matter:
REID: There are efforts being made before we vote on them to modify those two amendments, because people have issues with both of those amendments. So, until we finalize what they really want to do, I think it would be unwise for me to say that I support Kyl-Lieberman, or don’t support it. I think I have to wait until I see what they are finally going to come up with, because some people have some real substantive problems with what’s in that Kyl-Lieberman amendment.
The revisions to the Lieberman-Kyl amendment are most likely driven by concerns raised by Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA), who warned the amendment amounted to a declaration of war.
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Since it seems that the MSM is more interested in putting words in the mouth of the president of a country that we are trying to fabricate reasons to attack than in allowing him to speak ,I thought it apprtopriate to present what this supposed hate monger had to say at Columbia himself .
MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD: [translated] Why don’t we encourage more research on a historical event that has become the root, the cause, of many heavy catastrophes in the region in this time and age? Why shouldn’t there be more research about the root causes? That was my first question.
And my second question: well, given this historical event, if it is a reality, we need to still question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it or not. After all, it happened in Europe. The Palestinian people had no role to play in it. So why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price of an event they had nothing to do with?
The Palestinian people didn’t commit any crime. They had no role to play in the World War II. They were living with the Jewish communities and the Christian communities in peace at the time. They didn’t have any problems. And today, too, Jews, Christians and Muslims live in brotherhood all over the world in many parts of the world. They don’t have any serious problems.
But why is it that the Palestinians should pay a price, innocent Palestinians, for five million people to remain displaced or refugees abroad for sixty years? Or is this not a crime? Is asking about these crimes a crime in and by itself? Why should an academic, myself, face insults when asking questions like this? Is this what you call freedom and upholding the freedom of thought? “
September 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pm60 years is long enough to excuse the racist ideology that is zionism ! Long live Islam and the palestinian people .God bless All peoples whatever their race or religion ,that desire to live in peace with their neighbors .
September 25th, 2007 at 3:46 pmDump Reid!
How can he say that “it would be unwise for me to say that I support Kyl-Lieberman, or don’t support it.” ???
It’s easy to say that you don’t support it. Sen. Webb said it quite well. What the fu*k does it take to get these people to show some spine?
September 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmincluding Isreal !
September 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhat color is an Independent?
After reading what Harry just said, I feel much less blue, and I’m not talking about emotions here.
September 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmSince many people inquired, under Senate Rule XIV, when a Senator
demands two readings and there is objection to the measure’s second reading, the measure is placed directly on the Calendar of Business without reference to committee.
Clearly the repubs have found that these “Sense of the Senate†measures are a clever way to get around committee.
If only they focused this energy on serving our country instead of working tirelessly to make the other party look bad.
September 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmDump Reid and Nancy no impeachment Pelosi .We haven’t the time to wait till next november ,our country is being eaten from the inside out !
September 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmDEMOCRACY NOW !
People have “ISSUES” with both amendments? Gee — what could those issues possibly be? Is it so hard to believe that picking a fight with Iran might be a REALLY BAD IDEA right now? Unless, of course, you think Iraq has worked out pretty well…
September 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmUm… Harry… little hint: Don’t vote for anything sponsored by Joe Lieberman.
Honest to god, what does it take for these people to clue in?
September 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pmReid needs to f’ing retire. Pelosi, too. Those two are a disappointment of the highest order!
September 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pmI’m aware of Kyl-Lieberman - what is the other amendment he references?
September 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmLets run our own candidates against any democratic contender that doesn’t show spine now ! Perhaps write in candidates ,from the internet ,without corporate money !
September 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pmThe 2 party system is a farce ! The democrats are bought and payed for with few exceptions !
But war is what Joe wants isn’t it? I wish I had sent more money to his opponent.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWe wish you had too, Doc.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhat color is an Independent?
After reading what Harry just said, I feel much less blue, and I’m not talking about emotions here.
Comment by Zimzone — September 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Purple if you are moving toward the center. If you are going left…Turquoise, maybe?
September 25th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThanks for that off-topic post about Iran’s leader, freeman. But maybe you can answer this — why does Ahmadinejad claim that the Palestinians are paying the price for the Holocaust? How does Israeli treatment of Palestinians have anything to do with the Holocaust?
That claim of causality seems to me almost as bizarre as his claim that there are no gay people in Iran.
Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
It’s an old argument, basically that the partition of Palestine was authorized by Western nations out of guilt from having done little or nothing to protect Jews in Europe in the 30s and early 40s. In other words, without the Holocaust, no Jewish state.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI don’t want ANY amendment about Iran no matter WHAT the wording is.
OK. I’ll take an amendment that says “The US cannot bomb, invade, infiltrate or in any other way screw with the sovereign nation of Iran”.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:07 pmYou don’t understand how the palestinian people are paying a price for the creation of the state of Isreal or how the jewish state was propelled by the Holocaust ?How many Vetoed UN resolutions are necessary to convince you ?
September 25th, 2007 at 4:10 pmNo right of return for the displaced and no responsibility to compensate people whose houses were taken so a jew could live in it ?Double standards such as this or Isreals not officially acknowledged possession of nuclear arms are the height of hippocracy .Settlements built on lands not belonging to isreal ,and a wall to make the warsaw ghetto proud and you don’t think the palestinians are being punished for Europes sins ?
If thats your perspective I submit no proof will be enough to persuade you .
Thank you Mr. Jim Webb (D-VA).
September 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmBut war is what Joe wants isn’t it? I wish I had sent more money to his opponent.
I wish the Clintons, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and the rest had quit pretending he was a Democrat before he did.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI always assumed the Jewish state was partitioned out of sympathy. I never studied it. Just assumed it was because of the Holocaust.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:12 pmYes I always assume the obvious too .
September 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhat color is an Independent?
After reading what Harry just said, I feel much less blue, and I’m not talking about emotions here.
Comment by Zimzone — September 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Purple if you are moving toward the center. If you are going left…Turquoise, maybe? -Comment by Keltoi
LOL, Keltoi, thanks. Being a Minnesotan, purple is always good…we love our Vikings and spend most of the winter turning purple from the cold!
September 25th, 2007 at 4:28 pmThe Germans who occupied the homes of Jews after the 2nd world war were responsible for reparations or to return the properties of displaced Jews as well they should be .No compensation will ever be enough , but displaced Palestinians killed or living in refugee camps throughout the Arab world receive none ?
September 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmObviously a crime against a Jew is not the same as a crime against a Palestinian .The Palestinians are also Gods children and deserve the same basic rights as the Jewish people in Israel , a country built on their land !
If we cannot face this with intellectual honesty than we will never solve the problems in the mid east .Lebanon lays in ruins ,it’s hospitals ,water treatment plants roads and bridges bombed by Israel with American armaments and near a civil war and thats alright ?The Arab world should just endure the endless assaults on territory ,through bombing and illegal settlements while hosting millions of refugees who live without hope throughout the Middle east and thats alright .
Aipac is more relevant to the election process than our basic principles as a civilized nation or the suffering inflicted by our foreign policies upon millions of non Jewish peoples ? Intellectual honesty my ass ! Israel ,a country which has shown No restraint toward people whose land and houses it has occupied has the bomb but that’s not even to be acknowledged or discussed openly and this is intellectual honesty ? This is fair ?
The Europeans carved up the middle east even overthrowning the government of Iran because it told Brittish Petroleum the oil belonged to the Iranian people and not to the Brittish ,the sun never sets on our ignorance , Empire .The US has continued where colonialism left off in the land of oil and our present war is testimony to what ,as Allan Greenspan said ,we all know, that the war is about ,oil ! Someone elses oil in someone elses country ,where we have acted in such a way to lead to the deaths of 3/4 of a million people .
September 25th, 2007 at 4:47 pmBut they hate us because were good and because of our freedom ?
Wow talk about intellectual honesty !
Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:17 pmReid is so cautious in his public pronouncements. Sadly, only Barbara Boxer and Bernie Sanders seem to have the courage I would like to see in a Democratic Majority Leader, and Bernie is not even a Democrat!
The NeoCons, bolstered with seemingly unlimited global conglomerate cash, throw caution (and the Constitution) to the wind. Under Majority Leader Reid, the Democrats stick their fingers to the wind and throw their courage into it!
I feel like I am betraying my Progressive roots by wanting the Democratic majority to emulate the NeoCons, however…
September 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYeah lets go back to calling Ahmenijad a hate monger without even bothering to discuss what he actually said , or any of the merits of his argument. TP didn’t even bother posting his speech concentrating instead on one small part of it and this while the US senate and the neo cons use the propaganda to spin the third world war !
September 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pmIsreal doesn’t own an atomic weapon ?
I get the idea that the state of Israel was created out of sympathy for the Holocaust.
But how does that explain the way Israel treats the Palestinians today? Are they “taking it out†on them? Does Israel bear some responsibility for its behavior, or is it all “okay†because of what their people went through?
Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
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Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.
Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Yes, let’s see. In the meantime, there’s much history about this whole thing. And it began even prior to World War I (with the British Mandate). As for the partition, I would say perhaps guilt more than sympathy. Many, many countries of the world refused to take in the Jews fleeing from the Holocaust, including the U.S. Here’s just one source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
As far as Sen. Reid in concerned, yes…he could stop this type of amendment. But the Dems, as usual, are so terrified of looking “weak,” that they don’t even know the definition of “strong.” To even allow the intimation of impending war against Iran, after the disaster we have in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan right now, is as absolutely wrong as it could be.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIs Harry Reid innately a moron or does he work at it? This concept of “making nice” at every turn is enough to make people barf. Playing footsie with criminals is NOT what we pay these morons to do for us. Say what you mean, Harry, or don’t say anything at all.
Harry Reid is the epitome of spineless in my opinion. This is not to say that any Repuke is any better. The sad fact that we’re all coming to understand is that we, the people, are going it alone. We’ve been betrayed by everyone in Congress, except perhaps for a select few who can put the welfare of the people above party politics like Jim Webb for one.
What we need to occur is to clean house of all democrat and republicans who’ve becom complacent about the job they are doing.
We need to encourage unaffiliated voters to run for public office and send the message to this “impotent congress” that their “gig” is now up. They blew the trust of the american people and so they must go.
When we have individuals in there clearly ‘working for the people’ above any party affiliation, then we will be steering this ship back toward what democracy really means. Until then, it’s a dictatorship which is “aided and abetted” by a two party system which has eliminated the voice of the people for whom they, ostensibly work.
It’s broken and it needs serious fixing. This fix will not come by supporting the two parties who act like children and care nothing about the people they represent. They both have heavy financial investment in maintaining the status quo - the two party system - and prefer to lie to us that a third party cannot work. It can work and if people get sick enough of this bullshit, it will work.
After all, the AP reported yesterday that there are now 44% Registered Independents in the state of New Hampshire. That’s telling us that a third party is just around the corner.
It’s time to break the monopoly on this government held by the almost-obsolete two party system. That and the electoral college which has been obsolete for a decade already would be two major accomplishments.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThat would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.
Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Political correctness be damned ,I’ll take honest inquiry every time .The MSM and the neo con spin machine is using Ahmenijad’s speech to drive us to war and not even bothering to allow the public a chance to debate it on it’s honest merits .The same democrats ,who voted to give this administrationn greater spying powers than it even asked for have now allowed the republicans to use his speech inorder to pass a resolution to sanction Iran and attempt to declare the armed forces of a sovereign nation as a terrorist group ,within 24 hours.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHello WW III . The democrats are dangerous .
Truth Veritas Truth
September 25th, 2007 at 5:39 pmAnd the truth shall set you free !
September 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmWhy the hell is this even allowed to come up for a vote?
September 25th, 2007 at 6:43 pmMy God, that’s weak.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:15 pmOne thing is for certain Senator Lieberman’s intents are malicious, his carefully crafted Amendment will put senators in a bind. Senators are going to have a very hard time with this amendment as the Israeli Lobby will be out in force to make sure that it passes. Senators who do not vote for this Amendment will be punished. Do you believe the Lieberman - Kyl Amendment is crafted with a backdoor for Congressional validation for military action? —->
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=590
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September 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pmFrom yellow dog to yellow belly……Im surprised the spineless dems are able to stand upright.
September 27th, 2007 at 9:25 am