Comments on: Reid: Lieberman-Kyl amendment being revised. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:46:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Earl http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4093506 Earl Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:25:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4093506 From yellow dog to yellow belly......Im surprised the spineless dems are able to stand upright. From yellow dog to yellow belly……Im surprised the spineless dems are able to stand upright.

]]> By: PollM http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091592 PollM Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:55:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091592 One thing is for certain Senator Lieberman's intents are malicious, his carefully crafted Amendment will put senators in a bind. Senators are going to have a very hard time with this amendment as the Israeli Lobby will be out in force to make sure that it passes. Senators who do not vote for this Amendment will be punished. Do you believe the Lieberman - Kyl Amendment is crafted with a backdoor for Congressional validation for military action? ----> <a href="http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=590" rel="nofollow">http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=590 .</a> One thing is for certain Senator Lieberman’s intents are malicious, his carefully crafted Amendment will put senators in a bind. Senators are going to have a very hard time with this amendment as the Israeli Lobby will be out in force to make sure that it passes. Senators who do not vote for this Amendment will be punished. Do you believe the Lieberman – Kyl Amendment is crafted with a backdoor for Congressional validation for military action? —->

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=590

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]]> By: jkbowman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091546 jkbowman Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:15:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091546 My God, that's weak. My God, that’s weak.

]]> By: Maddie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091351 Maddie Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:43:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091351 Why the hell is this even allowed to come up for a vote? Why the hell is this even allowed to come up for a vote?

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091281 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:40:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091281 And the truth shall set you free ! And the truth shall set you free !

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091280 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:39:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091280 Truth Veritas Truth Truth Veritas Truth

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091272 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:36:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091272 That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site. Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm Political correctness be damned ,I'll take honest inquiry every time .The MSM and the neo con spin machine is using Ahmenijad's speech to drive us to war and not even bothering to allow the public a chance to debate it on it's honest merits .The same democrats ,who voted to give this administrationn greater spying powers than it even asked for have now allowed the republicans to use his speech inorder to pass a resolution to sanction Iran and attempt to declare the armed forces of a sovereign nation as a terrorist group ,within 24 hours. Hello WW III . The democrats are dangerous . That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.

Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

Political correctness be damned ,I’ll take honest inquiry every time .The MSM and the neo con spin machine is using Ahmenijad’s speech to drive us to war and not even bothering to allow the public a chance to debate it on it’s honest merits .The same democrats ,who voted to give this administrationn greater spying powers than it even asked for have now allowed the republicans to use his speech inorder to pass a resolution to sanction Iran and attempt to declare the armed forces of a sovereign nation as a terrorist group ,within 24 hours.
Hello WW III . The democrats are dangerous .

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091268 Veritas Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:30:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091268 Is Harry Reid innately a moron or does he work at it? This concept of "making nice" at every turn is enough to make people barf. Playing footsie with criminals is NOT what we pay these morons to do for us. Say what you mean, Harry, or don't say anything at all. Harry Reid is the epitome of spineless in my opinion. This is not to say that any Repuke is any better. The sad fact that we're all coming to understand is that we, the people, are going it alone. We've been betrayed by everyone in Congress, except perhaps for a select few who can put the welfare of the people above party politics like Jim Webb for one. What we need to occur is to clean house of all democrat and republicans who've becom complacent about the job they are doing. We need to encourage unaffiliated voters to run for public office and send the message to this "impotent congress" that their "gig" is now up. They blew the trust of the american people and so they must go. When we have individuals in there clearly 'working for the people' above any party affiliation, then we will be steering this ship back toward what democracy really means. Until then, it's a dictatorship which is "aided and abetted" by a two party system which has eliminated the voice of the people for whom they, ostensibly work. It's broken and it needs serious fixing. This fix will not come by supporting the two parties who act like children and care nothing about the people they represent. They both have heavy financial investment in maintaining the status quo - the two party system - and prefer to lie to us that a third party cannot work. It can work and if people get sick enough of this bullshit, it will work. After all, the AP reported yesterday that there are now 44% Registered Independents in the state of New Hampshire. That's telling us that a third party is just around the corner. It's time to break the monopoly on this government held by the almost-obsolete two party system. That and the electoral college which has been obsolete for a decade already would be two major accomplishments. Is Harry Reid innately a moron or does he work at it? This concept of “making nice” at every turn is enough to make people barf. Playing footsie with criminals is NOT what we pay these morons to do for us. Say what you mean, Harry, or don’t say anything at all.

Harry Reid is the epitome of spineless in my opinion. This is not to say that any Repuke is any better. The sad fact that we’re all coming to understand is that we, the people, are going it alone. We’ve been betrayed by everyone in Congress, except perhaps for a select few who can put the welfare of the people above party politics like Jim Webb for one.

What we need to occur is to clean house of all democrat and republicans who’ve becom complacent about the job they are doing.
We need to encourage unaffiliated voters to run for public office and send the message to this “impotent congress” that their “gig” is now up. They blew the trust of the american people and so they must go.

When we have individuals in there clearly ‘working for the people’ above any party affiliation, then we will be steering this ship back toward what democracy really means. Until then, it’s a dictatorship which is “aided and abetted” by a two party system which has eliminated the voice of the people for whom they, ostensibly work.

It’s broken and it needs serious fixing. This fix will not come by supporting the two parties who act like children and care nothing about the people they represent. They both have heavy financial investment in maintaining the status quo – the two party system – and prefer to lie to us that a third party cannot work. It can work and if people get sick enough of this bullshit, it will work.

After all, the AP reported yesterday that there are now 44% Registered Independents in the state of New Hampshire. That’s telling us that a third party is just around the corner.

It’s time to break the monopoly on this government held by the almost-obsolete two party system. That and the electoral college which has been obsolete for a decade already would be two major accomplishments.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091264 impeachcheneythenbush Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:26:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091264 I get the idea that the state of Israel was created out of sympathy for the Holocaust. But how does that explain the way Israel treats the Palestinians today? Are they “taking it out” on them? Does Israel bear some responsibility for its behavior, or is it all “okay” because of what their people went through? Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site. Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm Yes, let's see. In the meantime, there's much history about this whole thing. And it began even prior to World War I (with the British Mandate). As for the partition, I would say perhaps guilt more than sympathy. Many, many countries of the world refused to take in the Jews fleeing from the Holocaust, including the U.S. Here's just one source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel As far as Sen. Reid in concerned, yes...he could stop this type of amendment. But the Dems, as usual, are so terrified of looking "weak," that they don't even know the definition of "strong." To even allow the intimation of impending war against Iran, after the disaster we have in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan right now, is as absolutely wrong as it could be. I get the idea that the state of Israel was created out of sympathy for the Holocaust.

But how does that explain the way Israel treats the Palestinians today? Are they “taking it out” on them? Does Israel bear some responsibility for its behavior, or is it all “okay” because of what their people went through?

Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
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Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.

Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

Yes, let’s see. In the meantime, there’s much history about this whole thing. And it began even prior to World War I (with the British Mandate). As for the partition, I would say perhaps guilt more than sympathy. Many, many countries of the world refused to take in the Jews fleeing from the Holocaust, including the U.S. Here’s just one source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

As far as Sen. Reid in concerned, yes…he could stop this type of amendment. But the Dems, as usual, are so terrified of looking “weak,” that they don’t even know the definition of “strong.” To even allow the intimation of impending war against Iran, after the disaster we have in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan right now, is as absolutely wrong as it could be.

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091262 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:25:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091262 Yeah lets go back to calling Ahmenijad a hate monger without even bothering to discuss what he actually said , or any of the merits of his argument. TP didn't even bother posting his speech concentrating instead on one small part of it and this while the US senate and the neo cons use the propaganda to spin the third world war ! Isreal doesn't own an atomic weapon ? Yeah lets go back to calling Ahmenijad a hate monger without even bothering to discuss what he actually said , or any of the merits of his argument. TP didn’t even bother posting his speech concentrating instead on one small part of it and this while the US senate and the neo cons use the propaganda to spin the third world war !
Isreal doesn’t own an atomic weapon ?

]]> By: hterrya http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091261 hterrya Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:24:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091261 Reid is so cautious in his public pronouncements. Sadly, only Barbara Boxer and Bernie Sanders seem to have the courage I would like to see in a Democratic Majority Leader, and Bernie is not even a Democrat! The NeoCons, bolstered with seemingly unlimited global conglomerate cash, throw caution (and the Constitution) to the wind. Under Majority Leader Reid, the Democrats stick their fingers to the wind and throw their courage into it! I feel like I am betraying my Progressive roots by wanting the Democratic majority to emulate the NeoCons, however... Reid is so cautious in his public pronouncements. Sadly, only Barbara Boxer and Bernie Sanders seem to have the courage I would like to see in a Democratic Majority Leader, and Bernie is not even a Democrat!

The NeoCons, bolstered with seemingly unlimited global conglomerate cash, throw caution (and the Constitution) to the wind. Under Majority Leader Reid, the Democrats stick their fingers to the wind and throw their courage into it!

I feel like I am betraying my Progressive roots by wanting the Democratic majority to emulate the NeoCons, however…

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091250 gummitch Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:17:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091250 <em>Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm</em> That would be the proverbial can of worms you're referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site. Comment by spit take — September 25, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

That would be the proverbial can of worms you’re referencing. I have to wonder how long such a discussion would stay up on this site.

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091191 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:47:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091191 The Europeans carved up the middle east even overthrowning the government of Iran because it told Brittish Petroleum the oil belonged to the Iranian people and not to the Brittish ,the sun never sets on our ignorance , Empire .The US has continued where colonialism left off in the land of oil and our present war is testimony to what ,as Allan Greenspan said ,we all know, that the war is about ,oil ! Someone elses oil in someone elses country ,where we have acted in such a way to lead to the deaths of 3/4 of a million people . But they hate us because were good and because of our freedom ? Wow talk about intellectual honesty ! The Europeans carved up the middle east even overthrowning the government of Iran because it told Brittish Petroleum the oil belonged to the Iranian people and not to the Brittish ,the sun never sets on our ignorance , Empire .The US has continued where colonialism left off in the land of oil and our present war is testimony to what ,as Allan Greenspan said ,we all know, that the war is about ,oil ! Someone elses oil in someone elses country ,where we have acted in such a way to lead to the deaths of 3/4 of a million people .
But they hate us because were good and because of our freedom ?
Wow talk about intellectual honesty !

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091171 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:38:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091171 The Germans who occupied the homes of Jews after the 2nd world war were responsible for reparations or to return the properties of displaced Jews as well they should be .No compensation will ever be enough , but displaced Palestinians killed or living in refugee camps throughout the Arab world receive none ? Obviously a crime against a Jew is not the same as a crime against a Palestinian .The Palestinians are also Gods children and deserve the same basic rights as the Jewish people in Israel , a country built on their land ! If we cannot face this with intellectual honesty than we will never solve the problems in the mid east .Lebanon lays in ruins ,it's hospitals ,water treatment plants roads and bridges bombed by Israel with American armaments and near a civil war and thats alright ?The Arab world should just endure the endless assaults on territory ,through bombing and illegal settlements while hosting millions of refugees who live without hope throughout the Middle east and thats alright . Aipac is more relevant to the election process than our basic principles as a civilized nation or the suffering inflicted by our foreign policies upon millions of non Jewish peoples ? Intellectual honesty my ass ! Israel ,a country which has shown No restraint toward people whose land and houses it has occupied has the bomb but that's not even to be acknowledged or discussed openly and this is intellectual honesty ? This is fair ? The Germans who occupied the homes of Jews after the 2nd world war were responsible for reparations or to return the properties of displaced Jews as well they should be .No compensation will ever be enough , but displaced Palestinians killed or living in refugee camps throughout the Arab world receive none ?
Obviously a crime against a Jew is not the same as a crime against a Palestinian .The Palestinians are also Gods children and deserve the same basic rights as the Jewish people in Israel , a country built on their land !
If we cannot face this with intellectual honesty than we will never solve the problems in the mid east .Lebanon lays in ruins ,it’s hospitals ,water treatment plants roads and bridges bombed by Israel with American armaments and near a civil war and thats alright ?The Arab world should just endure the endless assaults on territory ,through bombing and illegal settlements while hosting millions of refugees who live without hope throughout the Middle east and thats alright .
Aipac is more relevant to the election process than our basic principles as a civilized nation or the suffering inflicted by our foreign policies upon millions of non Jewish peoples ? Intellectual honesty my ass ! Israel ,a country which has shown No restraint toward people whose land and houses it has occupied has the bomb but that’s not even to be acknowledged or discussed openly and this is intellectual honesty ? This is fair ?

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091149 Zimzone Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:28:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091149 What color is an Independent? After reading what Harry just said, I feel much less blue, and I’m not talking about emotions here. Comment by Zimzone — September 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm Purple if you are moving toward the center. If you are going left…Turquoise, maybe? -Comment by Keltoi LOL, Keltoi, thanks. Being a Minnesotan, purple is always good...we love our Vikings and spend most of the winter turning purple from the cold! What color is an Independent?
After reading what Harry just said, I feel much less blue, and I’m not talking about emotions here.
Comment by Zimzone — September 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

Purple if you are moving toward the center. If you are going left…Turquoise, maybe? -Comment by Keltoi

LOL, Keltoi, thanks. Being a Minnesotan, purple is always good…we love our Vikings and spend most of the winter turning purple from the cold!

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091130 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:15:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091130 Yes I always assume the obvious too . Yes I always assume the obvious too .

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091125 ForTruth Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:12:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091125 I always assumed the Jewish state was partitioned out of sympathy. I never studied it. Just assumed it was because of the Holocaust. I always assumed the Jewish state was partitioned out of sympathy. I never studied it. Just assumed it was because of the Holocaust.

]]> By: JimRMTZ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091124 JimRMTZ Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:11:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091124 <i>But war is what Joe wants isn’t it? I wish I had sent more money to his opponent.</i> I wish the Clintons, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and the rest had quit pretending he was a Democrat before he did. But war is what Joe wants isn’t it? I wish I had sent more money to his opponent.

I wish the Clintons, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and the rest had quit pretending he was a Democrat before he did.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091122 ForTruth Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:11:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091122 Thank you Mr. Jim Webb (D-VA). Thank you Mr. Jim Webb (D-VA).

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-4091119 freeman Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:10:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/reid-lieberman-kyl-amendment-being-revised/#comment-4091119 You don't understand how the palestinian people are paying a price for the creation of the state of Isreal or how the jewish state was propelled by the Holocaust ?How many Vetoed UN resolutions are necessary to convince you ? No right of return for the displaced and no responsibility to compensate people whose houses were taken so a jew could live in it ?Double standards such as this or Isreals not officially acknowledged possession of nuclear arms are the height of hippocracy .Settlements built on lands not belonging to isreal ,and a wall to make the warsaw ghetto proud and you don't think the palestinians are being punished for Europes sins ? If thats your perspective I submit no proof will be enough to persuade you . You don’t understand how the palestinian people are paying a price for the creation of the state of Isreal or how the jewish state was propelled by the Holocaust ?How many Vetoed UN resolutions are necessary to convince you ?
No right of return for the displaced and no responsibility to compensate people whose houses were taken so a jew could live in it ?Double standards such as this or Isreals not officially acknowledged possession of nuclear arms are the height of hippocracy .Settlements built on lands not belonging to isreal ,and a wall to make the warsaw ghetto proud and you don’t think the palestinians are being punished for Europes sins ?
If thats your perspective I submit no proof will be enough to persuade you .

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