ThinkFast: September 25, 2007
ThinkFast: September 25, 2007
Defying a Bush veto threat, the House will vote today on a significant expansion of the popular State Children’s Health Insurance Program. It is “the first skirmish in the new battle for universal health coverage. It is also the first confrontation between the president and Congress fought out almost entirely on terms set by the new Democratic majority.”
Violent crime rose nearly 2 percent last year, slightly more than expected, the F.B.I. reported on Monday. “The number of big-city murders also increased, by 1.8 percent, the same rate as homicides nationwide.”
In a victory for the Bush administration, a special military appeals court ruling “removed a legal hurdle that has derailed” trials for detainees at Guantanámo Bay. The ruling allows prosecutors to introduce new evidence that defendents labeled “enemy combatants” are actually “alien unlawful enemy combatants,” as the law requires for them to be tried in military tribunals.
Following large protests last week supporting six African-American teenagers in Jena, LA, white supremacists have begun calling for retaliatory violence. The threats include the posting on a neo-Nazi website of the names, addresses and phone numbers of some of the six teenagers and their families. In an interview, the Mayor of Jena, Murphy McMillin, “praised efforts by pro-white groups to organize counter-demonstrations.”
At a gala in Little Rock last night, former President Bill Clinton and other dignitaries honored the nine black students who integrated Little Rock Central High school fifty years ago while stressing “the country’s continuing need for better race relations.”
UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said of the autoworkers strike: “Job security is one of our primary concerns. … We’re talking about investment and we’re talking about job creation” and preserving benefits, he said. Negotiators were to return Tuesday morning for their 22nd straight day of bargaining.
“The world’s top leaders should meet every three months, starting next year, until a plan is drawn up to reduce emissions blamed for global warming, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore said on Monday. ”
A suicide bomber in Iraq blew himself up on Monday “at a banquet intended to be a reconciliation feast between provincial officials and former Sunni insurgents in Diyala Province, killing 16 people and wounding at least 28.”
And finally: Fly Swatter-in-Chief. Tony Snow reports that Bush chases “flies around the Oval Office. It drives him crazy when flies get in.” Bush is so well known as a fly hunter among his White House staff, says Snow, that somebody “made him White House fly swatters.”
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I'm going to collect a BIG jar of flies for the White House by this weekend.J
September 25th, 2007 at 9:11 amJust for Bush.
....while stressing “the country’s continuing need for better race relations.â€
By reading the Jena, LA article, it looks like we have some serious need for better race relations in that town. I also think the mayor should be fired. If any one of those six black teenagers are hurt, it will lie squarely on the Mayor's shoulders for inciting white supremacists. He's probably one himself.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:18 amAnd finally: Fly Swatter-in-Chief.
This may be the first documented evidence that Bush does something well.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:27 amChildren SHOULD have health insurance. However, there are several problems with this proposal being floated.
1. It is funded through a $.61/pack cigarette increase. I am not a smoker but feel it is wrong to target one sect of society to fund something such as this.
Blame it on the mindset of the "conservatives" that has prevented any increases in any taxes for years. The only taxes that can squeak by are sin taxes, particularly those pointed at unpopular behavior.
2. It classifies a child as someone up to 25. 25 year olds are not children. If they are, then raise the drinking age to 26, raise the voting age to 26, raise the driving age to 26 and the age to enlist in the military to 26.
Children are those who are dependent on their parents, and under most health plans, this includes "children" who are 24 years old and full-time students. This proposal merely mimics those (private) health plans. Take it up with them.
3. Families with incomes up to $82,000 can qualify for SCHIP. This might be fine in cities like New York, but is way too much in a lot of areas. Perhaps that ought to be a sliding scale based on the local economy.
Comment by JSchmoAZ — September 25, 2007 @ 9:23 am
I think a sliding scale has been proposed, actually, and was highly unpopular in areas that might have been, well, slid. Like most legislation (all?) this is a compromise.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:27 amYou gotta be sh*tting me. My tax dollars are going towards making friggin' white house fly-swatters? What next, mouse traps?
September 25th, 2007 at 9:28 amYou gotta wonder if he plucks the wings off the dead flies while smirkingly chuckling to himself.
Renfield!!!!
September 25th, 2007 at 9:30 amYes Master...
Oh, and Rudy is a coward"
September 25th, 2007 at 9:32 amIt is also the first confrontation between the president and Congress fought out almost entirely on terms set by the new Democratic majority.â€
Too bad the Dems have caved in to Bush on almost everything else. They have given in on the Iraq war, trashing our rights, giving unpresidented power to the executive branch, using the Constitution to wipe their asses with.
They cave every time Bush lies and cries wolf ( terrorist ).
It is time for a total sweep of every f**king incumbent in office, Democrat or Republican. Neither party has shown they have the interests of this Country, the citizens, or the Constitution at heart.
Their only interest is in the interest gained from the Money the Military Industrial Interests and Big OIL lines their bank accounts with
September 25th, 2007 at 9:32 amI was just reading an article in the Washington Monthly and felt compelled to submit a comment and then read the comments. Then I came across this:
[Content deleted. IP check verifies a banned commenter.]
Posted by: Jake D. on September 24, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Well, I have to say they have it right. If only that could happen here!
September 25th, 2007 at 9:32 amwhere there are flies....
September 25th, 2007 at 9:32 amIt's sad that Jena LA is still stuck in the Jim Crow days. White supremacists are calling for retaliatory violence (and we've seen how well that has worked for the Jews and Palestinians in Israel, and the Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq), and Jena's mayor is praising pro-white groups. That this is happening in America should be alarming to all Americans.
I noticed the placement of this item immediately above the item about remembering the Central High integration in Little Rock. Just when you think we've made some progress in the last 50 years...
September 25th, 2007 at 9:34 amThis criminal act will most likely be investigated by the FBI and charges will follow. Fortunately the numbers of mentally challenged who would act on these recommendations by the supremacists are very small and the great majority of christians who are offended by this will stand against them.
Comment by Vendetta
You forgot to indicate that this is a snark comment. It is, isn't it?
September 25th, 2007 at 9:35 amComment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Perhaps you could paraphrase Jake D.'s comment so your post makes sense. TP deleted what you pasted, and I'd like to know what it said. Thanks!
September 25th, 2007 at 9:37 am#10, Wayne, Rachel Maddow had it right on her show yesterday afternoon. Don't send a funding bill to the White House. Just say no more funding. If the Pentagon wants to divert funds from other areas, fine, but no new money, not one red cent.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:40 amBy way of compromise, congress might fund exactly the amount it will take to withdraw, but only to be used for withdrawal, under penalty of impeachment.
This may be the first documented evidence that Bush does something well
September 25th, 2007 at 9:42 amZimzone, the standard for flyswatting is no more than 2.7 swats per kill. I doubt very much that the chymp, with his numerous impairments is doing much better than 5.8 or so.
I'm sure the mayor of Jena is a big fan of the Clinton's (snark).
Oh, and blackwater = unlawful combatants: no uniforms + not bound by any code of military justice. straight from the united states definition of unlawful combatants.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:43 amComment by missmolly — September 25, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Molly, bilbo was showing that Washington Monthly deleted Jako, because his IP shows him to be a banned poster for their site. Jake uses more than one moniker to troll with and on multiple sites.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:43 amIs there anything that Bush has touched in his presidency which he has not ruined? Corrupted? Or lied about? He has become a "national disgrace".
September 25th, 2007 at 9:44 amPerhaps you could paraphrase Jake D.’s comment so your post makes sense. TP deleted what you pasted, and I’d like to know what it said. Thanks!
Comment by missmolly — September 25, 2007 @ 9:37 am
The content of the comment was deleted, and only the information bilbobaggins posted was available. Several sites manage comments like this (which has the side effect of keeping numbering consistent when comments are deleted). I like it, personally, and appreciate sites that do a really good job of monitoring comments. TP is getting a lot better, I will say.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:46 amHi MissMolly,Wayne! I'm afraid that the situation in Jena is illustrative of just how deleterious discrimination, bigotry, and hatred can be to a society. No doubt Bush and his so-called 'christian right' have contributed largely to this regression to Jim Crowe days in this country. Their "hate-filled' ideology and message has eroded all of the civil rights progress this country has made over the last 4 decades. Again, I believe we can thank GWB and his cadre of bigots for all of this. Appalling is what it is.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:47 amI have no morals. You have bought the “progressive†lie hook, line and sinker.
Comment by Vendetta
All I was doing was pointing out the lie of what you wrote. There is no way the FBI will investigate the White Supremacists. Your statement "majority of christians who are offended by this will stand against them." was laughable at best. The "Christians" in the south are not offended by racism, they are in many cases the root of racism.
And you are right, you do have no morals. You also have no conscience and no soul.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:48 amHi RU! I'm with you - Congress needs to cut the purse strings right now or they all become "complicit" in this mess. It's one of the first things our resident trolls throw in our faces after the fact. If they refuse to listen to the will of the people on this, I believe there will be massive demonstrations not only against this administration but against this Congress as well.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:49 amI reject socialism and big brother taking over our lives and freedom --- Vendetta
The biggest growth of Big Brother has been under Bush, who you carry water for.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:49 amI say you are a liar. A big f*cking liar
Bilbo: He has no morals, no conscience, and no being whatsoever which is why I make it my MO to never engage an empty-headed, amoral troll on any level.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:50 amPerhaps you could paraphrase Jake D.’s comment so your post makes sense. TP deleted what you pasted, and I’d like to know what it said. Thanks!
Comment by missmolly
Wow, how interesting. TP deleted my post. What is the matter, are they afraid of a little competition.
There was no comment. Just what I posted. Apparently they "they who shall not be named" ban troll posters based on their IP address. And "they who shall not be named" don't even have a registration system. I like their site very much and will be visiting there more often. Perhaps it is a good alternative to TP who censors posts that mention another blog's name. Shame on you TP.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:52 amI can't believe that the Chimp has the brass cajones to have a photo op with the kids he is denying health care coverage to - wow! The epitome of hypocrisy and now with kids!
September 25th, 2007 at 9:52 amI view at least a dozen blogs a day and always attribute new things accordingly and include the url here at TP. Is this something new that they are doing?
September 25th, 2007 at 9:53 amFrankly, I think the posters here at TP lend too much credence to the inane blather of trolls which turns many potential bloggers off. When one has to scroll down pages of nonsense and name-calling to find something of value, it's time to visit another blogsite. It's been shown that if a troll is ignored as though he's not there, he vanishes. And with the new registration system allowing the site monitors to see if the same troll is returning with a new moniker, there really shouldn't be a problem
Ignore the piss soaked trolls and don't permit THEM to pull your strings. Giving away one's personal power to a troll is precisely what their motive is. It has nothing to do with the material being presented at all; rather it's about hijacking the conversation (which they do handily by engaging a poster in a pissing contest or a name calling diatribe). It's all about "controlling others". Don't permit yourselves to be manipulated so easily.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:57 amThis may be the first documented evidence that Bush does something well.
Zimzone, the standard for flyswatting is no more than 2.7 swats per kill. I doubt very much that the chymp, with his numerous impairments is doing much better than 5.8 or so...
I stand corrected, RU! But does he leave food crumbs out to 'bait' the flys so he can play sniper?
September 25th, 2007 at 9:58 amBush's trolls are all about "BigBrother" and the artful and intentional manipulation of the masses. Don't give your power away so easily.
September 25th, 2007 at 9:59 amAnd finally: Fly Swatter-in-Chief. Tony Snow reports that Bush chases “flies around the Oval Office. It drives him crazy when flies get in.†Bush is so well known as a fly hunter among his White House staff, says Snow, that somebody “made him White House fly swatters.â€
Charming.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:01 amAnd with the new registration system allowing the site monitors to see if the same troll is returning with a new moniker, there really shouldn’t be a problem
I'm not sure this is true. Their registration system seems to be based on an e-mail address. I have my own domain name so I can have up to 100 e-mail addresses, meaning I could have 100 monikers on this site. The smart way to do it is based on IP address. Allow only one registration per IP address and then if you ban someone, ban the IP address. That's the smart way to do it.
Even though things are much better here since all the "Sybil" personalities have been banished, TP still allows blatant trolls like Jake to post. He has nothing to offer and all he does is fling feces against the wall, when he isn't making childish comments about his "banned list".
September 25th, 2007 at 10:03 amHowdy ya’all!
President Bush is speaking live at the U.N. as I type this. Ya’all should listen in…ya’ might learn somethin’…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Speaking of trolls . . .
September 25th, 2007 at 10:05 am"Violent crime rose nearly 2 percent last year"
When your government does everything in it's power to sow seeds of hatred and fear, what do you think will happen?
September 25th, 2007 at 10:07 ambilbo, I don't think TP removed your post as it is still at #11, seemingly in its entirety. I visited Washington Monthly and saw the deleted post over there for myself.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:08 amHowdy ya’all!
President Bush is speaking live at the U.N. as I type this. Ya’all should listen in…ya’ might learn somethin’…
Comment by O. Bigfoot
I bet he says "nucular" again. Any takers?
September 25th, 2007 at 10:11 amFrankly, I think the posters here at TP lend too much credence to the inane blather of trolls which turns many potential bloggers off. Veritas
I agree with you 100%. I have to admit that I have been engaging them lately, I'm not sure why. But I will try to stop because it really does nothing except to muck up this site. It's too bad that TP won't ban the trolls who add nothing to the discourse and are here strictly to try to incite people.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:13 ambilbo, I don’t think TP removed your post as it is still at #11, seemingly in its entirety. I visited Washington Monthly and saw the deleted post over there for myself.
Comment by Candyce
Well, that's strange. I looked for it after the comment about "deleting the content" and I didn't see it. I don't know if I missed it or if TP put it back. Either way, I loved the fact that the Washington Monthly has banned Jake. I wish TP would do the same.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:14 ambilbobaggins
Wow, how interesting. TP deleted my post. What is the matter, are they afraid of a little competition.
I still see it. I think you and mismolly might be confusing each other :) her mentioning it being deleted was refering to you posting Jake D's deleted post from the other website, not any of your posts being removed.
Either that, or now I'm the one who's being confused.
gummitch
September 25th, 2007 at 10:15 amSpeaking of trolls . . .
And good morning to you
Thanks Bilbo, and all the others who helped me understand post #11. I didn't realize that it was the banning that made it noteworthy -- I thought Bilbo had posted something Jake D. had actually said on another site and that TP had deleted it.
Hey, it's still morning -- I haven't had much caffeine yet...
September 25th, 2007 at 10:15 amPresident Bush is speaking live at the U.N. as I type this. Ya’all should listen in…ya’ might learn somethin’…
Comment by O. Bigfoot
There is nothing to learn. We all know what a moron he is and find it embarrassing for our country every time he speaks in public. How many words is he going to mispronounce and how many wrong exits is he going to take? Watching Bush in public is like watching the three stooges and he plays all three parts.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:16 amIt’s too bad that TP won’t ban the trolls who add nothing to the discourse and are here strictly to try to incite people.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 10:13 am
It is a lot better now than it was before the registraton system. Gone are the drive-by trollings and thread spammings and HEYOOOOOOOs that we had to deal with before.
I don't mind trolls who have reasoned arguments - stubborn as they are, they can still add to the conversation. It's the inane blatherists who get to me.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:18 amI heard that whenever Georgie collects enough flies to fill a coffe cup, Dickieboy promptly devours them and rewards Chimpie with a shiny penny.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:21 amThis usually suffices to keep the POTUS busy for several hours while Darth Cheney pops a few viagras and furthers his plans for world domination while f@cking his blow up doll of John Q. Public as Condi plays the piano in full dominatrix gear. Your tax dollars at work ladies and gentlemen!
Wilco: The mispronunciation of the word "nuclear" as "nukular" is the tip of the iceberg in terms of lack of intelligence. He can't complete a grammatically correct sentence if he's not prompted.
Why would anyone with a brain watch this moron speaking at the UN when just about every other member (who have English as a second language) speaks more correctly than he does. He's a total embarrassment to this country and the laughinstock of the world at this point.
Watching him make a blathering buffoon of himself, ONCE AGAIN, would be a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:21 am#3 - i am a smoker and there should be a $5.00 tax per pack of cigs to pay for health care.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:23 amBush goes around swatting flies - he may have found his perfect niche in life, his true calling.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:23 amVeritas
Watching him make a blathering buffoon of himself, ONCE AGAIN, would be a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
Or a fun drinking game.
Vendetta
September 25th, 2007 at 10:24 amI made an on topic comment condemning white supremist, you took offense and have been off topic since. Yet I am a “troll†who should ignored.
Well this is the TF, so pretty much anything is 'on topic', but I can understand why they took offense to your statement. My experience with the south has shown me that more often than not it's the 'christians' that attend church every Sunday, if not more often, who are the biggest racists and/or ignorant people that allow the racists to get away with their shenianigans.
Veritas, I absolutely agree.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:25 amBe dumb as a rock here in the U.S. We elected him, we deserve it, to a degree. But when he goes to the UN, representing us to the world, and he still can't say arguably one of the most important words, nuclear, correctly?
It's embarassing.
toasterhead; a troll with a reasoned argument? Surely, you jest, sir.
troll, reasoned argument is an oxymoron.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:26 amNow we know why George is afraid of horses, it's the flies.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:26 amPerhaps the window washer at the White House has some use for you, squegee-boo.
Nevar
September 25th, 2007 at 10:27 amPerhaps the window washer at the White House has some use for you, squegee-boo.
As a horse whisperer?
i listened to rachel maddow resterday... this time i took notes...
what follows is mostly paraphrased from her suggestion:
tomorrow, wednesday, gates will be sending to congress a request for more war funding - 50 Billion, i think...
the best chance to STOP THE WAR - and since the congress cannot pass a veto-proof bill - is to say NO to war funding...
gates will pull on all the strings, will tell the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS committee that the funding is for armored vehicles [4 YEARS LATE]...
they should tell him that the pentagon should divert funds from something else - NO MORE FUNDING FOR WAR.
there will be loud and boistrous polital furor, to be sure...
STAND UP. STAND TALL. DON'T BACK DOWN.
END THE FUNDING - START NOW
it will take courage and LEADERSHIP... but it only takes 41 senators
to filibuster - ONLY 41 NEEDED TO STOP THIS WAR.
they can tell gates that they WILL fund a FULL and SAFE WITHDRAWAL.
robert byrd is the chairman of the appropriations committee.
start there... here is the list of all members:
http://appropriations.senate.gov/members.cfm
and here are the toll free capitol switchboard numbers:
1 (800) 828 - 0498
1 (800) 459 - 1887
1 (800) 614 - 2803
1 (866) 340 - 9281
1 (866) 338 - 1015
1 (877) 851 - 6437
GO!
September 25th, 2007 at 10:27 am.
Regarding trolls:
The people who are labeled "trolls" by others here at TP seem to come in about three different flavors.
First type: This poster contributes absolutely nothing and serves only to fill threads with nonsense. Mr. P and his "HeyoooOOOOoooooOOOO Moonbats!" is a perfect example. When others complain of "troll droppings", it's usually a complaint about this type of poster.
Second type: This poster can at least communicate somewhat coherently, but favors name-calling and spouting tired soundbites instead of making valid points or rebutting others in an intelligent manner. When they DO try to make a point, it's usually a cliche. The "Clinton did it too" crowd falls in this category, as well as the ones who like to use "smear" and "slander" in every post. Also look for "14% approval for Democrat Congress" (or any other made up low number).
Third type: This poster is capable of original thought and posts with some intelligence, but with a conservative viewpoint. THIS POSTER IS NOT A TROLL. He/she has a different point of view, and that's OK. I actually enjoy intelligent debate with this type of poster. Unfortunately, some start out as this type and then morph into either the first or second type.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:31 ammissmolly
I actually enjoy intelligent debate with this type of poster. Unfortunately, some start out as this type and then morph into either the first or second type.
It's just so hard to have a valid conservative view point on most of what TP has been posting recently, all I've got left are 1 and 2. Now if we could get some education/welfare threads going, then I'd be good to go.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:34 amHey all!
WC here. I decided to select a new username before registering on the new system. The new username "Bad Eye" is taken from a nickname my grandmother used to call me. I never thought to ask her where she got it, but suffice it to say I never had a bad eye.
Anyway, looks like the new registration/comment system is working well, so on to the comments...
September 25th, 2007 at 10:36 amAdd it to the list of things we know about Bush.
- difficulty with social interaction
- problems with verbal and nonverbal communication
- narrow, obsessive interests
- lack of empathy
- abnormally sensitive to sound, touch, or sensory stimulation
Seems like Bush has mild autism.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:37 amComment by Veritas — September 25, 2007 @ 10:21 am
He'll be speaking from prepared text, so he may not make that many goofs. George and Barb were spot-on when they named Junior after Bush Sr., who as you recall also couldn't string together a coherent sentence or a thought.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:42 amBush is a four letter word sez:
Chimpy may be autistic, and he may not...but he is most certainly a sociopath.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:44 amComment by Bush is a four letter word — September 25, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Now, now -- be fair. I also hate it when somebody's cell phone rings during a meeting. Not so much because of the noise, just the general rudeness of it (we have a policy where I work that cell phones are turned off for meetings).
But about those flies -- the taxpayers shell out quite a lot for the maintenance and upkeep of the White House. Am I to understand there's no money in there for a decent exterminator?
September 25th, 2007 at 10:46 ammissmolly sez:
I, for one, am more than happy to have Chimpy wasting time and energy chasing flies. Takes time away from his usual pastime: ass-raping the Constitution while pissing all over the American and Iraqi peoples.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:51 amVendetta
You may be right but that does not make them all bigots.
Being racist or allowing racism doesn't make you a bigot? Sir, I do believe your moral compass is faulty.
It doesn't matter if it's a numbers game or not, I was replying specifically to your statement that the majority of Christians won't stand for it. In small southern towns like Jenna, the majority of Christians will be split into two groups, the ones protesting with the white supremacists, and the ones sitting at home because they don't want to cause trouble.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:53 amEven though things are much better here since all the “Sybil†personalities have been banished, TP still allows blatant trolls like Jake to post. He has nothing to offer and all he does is fling feces against the wall, when he isn’t making childish comments about his “banned listâ€.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 10:03 am
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Howdy ya’all!
President Bush is speaking live at the U.N. as I type this. Ya’all should listen in…ya’ might learn somethin’…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Speak of the Devil...
September 25th, 2007 at 10:54 amComment by missmolly — September 25, 2007 @ 9:34 am
One of the problems we face that contributes to the situation like that in Jena is that parents teach hate and intolerance to their children, who likely pass it along to their children in turn. Kids aren't born to hate; they are taught to hate, whether it is from one or both parents, or from pressure from society, in which it is up to the parents to try and have greater influence and do the "right thing." Until the parents in those areas start reversing this trend, unfortunately I don't see much change happening in the near future.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:54 am"...and the ones sitting at home because they don’t want to cause trouble."
Comment by Squegeeboo
(Read: sitting at home because they are being terrorized by their fellow christianists.)
September 25th, 2007 at 10:56 ammissmolly-
September 25th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe White House already has an exterminator...his name is Dick Cheney.
I also grew up in a big city where in my experience the percentage of blacks who held racists beliefs was much higher than whites.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 10:46 am
I don't believe this. Equally racist, yes. More racist? No.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:56 amOh, and as a registered user on this site, I think labeling people at “trolls†is counterproductive…LOL
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 10:08 am
If you don't want to be labeled a troll, stop lying when you come here. You've been caught more than once falsifying stats. Act like liar, you'll get called a liar.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:58 ammaybe dubby should take up a new purpose - picking up barney's and
September 25th, 2007 at 10:58 ambeasley's dog poop would cut down on that fly population...
...
caption:
"Stick with me little boy, I'll make sure you get health insurance, heh heh..."
September 25th, 2007 at 10:59 amCaption contest:
September 25th, 2007 at 11:07 am"I'm gonna copy off of you for the test. When's nap time?"
Caption contest:
September 25th, 2007 at 11:08 am"OOOoooh, CAT, C-A-T, not two T's, man that quiz was hard"
However may I be so bold to say that the antireligious here often demonstrate an intolerance based, not on facts like science or statistics but, on conjecture based on their own bigotry very much like the racists whom most of us despise for doing the same.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 11:15 am
However, you can neither document nor prove that. The anti-religious here don't exist. Even avowed atheists merely point out the blazing hypocrisy of the so-called Christians who would have happily nailed Christ to the cross if they had the chance. So, you're lying, again.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:20 amThis bill proposes less spending than one more necessary and affordable week in Iraq.
Water resources bill wins Congress' approval
September 25th, 2007 at 11:21 amIt may have enough votes to survive veto
Tuesday, September 25, 2007
By Bruce Alpert
The Times-Picayune
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-9/119070144260000.xml&coll=1
...
Several lawmakers, including Louisiana Sens. Mary Landrieu and David Vitter, urged Bush to drop his veto threat, but a spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget Monday reiterated the administration view that the bill adds "unaffordable" and "unnecessary" projects to an Army Corps of Engineers that already has a huge backlog in projects.
...
The "War President" spends all his time chasing flies?
How apt. His adminstration runs the country in exactly the same way.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:25 amVendetta
I failed to mention that I am from the Northeast.
Spend some time in the south, then we can talk about racism. I'm also a North Easterner, but have spent a good amount of time down there, I never understood why people thought race issues were still such a big deal until I started visiting.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:25 amI failed to mention that I am from the Northeast.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Im not sure why should matter at all. I grew up in the Northeast too. I've lived in a neighborhood that's got a pretty good percentge of blacks in it for 25 plus yrs. It's been my experience that people are pretty much people, hence my comment. Equally racist? Yes. More so? No.
BTW, I didn't call you a name or anything. I just said I didn't believe what you said. I did call Li'l Foot a liar because he is. I caught him red-faced faking stats, pure and simple. That's not name-calling.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amI never falsify stats.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 11:29 am
You most certainly did. You tried passing off stats as current when they were 2 yrs old. Excuse me, just a yr and a half. Unfortunately for you, at the time I cuaght you, I cut and pasted that exchange into a word doc, which I still have. here's YOUR original post, and my reply.
“… The troops have drawn conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 25, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Since Little [ ] won’t link to his “sourceâ€, I found at least one of them for ya, folks. The above info is actually from a Zogby poll taken almost a yr and half ago (source below! ;-D!!). No wonder Little [ ] didn’t provide the reference. Don’t know where the rest of it comes from, but ** YAWN **, I think it’s safe to ignore Little [ ]’s “data†here.
He’s an F-ing LIAR!!!
Released: February 28, 2006
U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 25, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Follow the link and you'll find where L'il Dinghy got his "stats".
Yer... an F-in' LIAR!
September 25th, 2007 at 11:35 amHardi-har-har-har...
September 25th, 2007 at 11:36 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 25, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Nice catch, TRoS.
Hang onto that Word doc...odds are good you'll have to use it again and again...
September 25th, 2007 at 11:36 amDoesn’t change my agenda one iota.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 25, 2007 @ 11:29 am
It's that "agenda" thing that defines you as a troll. You don't come to the site for a discussion, but to pat yourself on the back for outsmarting liberals. The fact that you've actually done no such thing clearly doesn't signify.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:38 amTHIS POSTER IS NOT A TROLL. He/she has a different point of view, and that’s OK.
Hi missmolly - Unfortunately this kind of poster is few and far between. I really don't know of any currently posting. Do you?
September 25th, 2007 at 11:39 amHi missmolly - Unfortunately this kind of poster is few and far between. I really don’t know of any currently posting. Do you?
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 11:39 am
I admit I have only seen this type of poster once or twice and they usually don't hang around long. One can always hope, though.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:40 amIn a victory for the Bush administration, a special military appeals court ruling “removed a legal hurdle that has derailed†trials for detainees at Guantanámo Bay. The ruling allows prosecutors to introduce new evidence that defendents labeled “enemy combatants†are actually “alien unlawful enemy combatants,†as the law requires for them to be tried in military tribunals.
Why is this just a victory for Bush? Doesn't the left complain about how these people just sit in Gitmo with out even going on trial? Now they can go on trial.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:42 amThe fact that you’ve actually done no such thing clearly doesn’t signify.
Comment by gummitch — September 25, 2007 @ 11:38 am
There's a difference between an opinion and an attitude. Li'l Footie's all about attitude when he comes here. He starts sneering the instant he comes online.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhite House Office of Management and Budget Monday reiterated the administration view that the bill adds “unaffordable†and “unnecessary†projects to an Army Corps of Engineers that already has a huge backlog in projects.
Comment by Bienville
Someone needs to hide Bush's veto pen. He couldn't find it during his first 6 years in office and now that the Democrats are a majority he can't put it down. Amazing, isn't it.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhy is this just a victory for Bush? Doesn’t the left complain about how these people just sit in Gitmo with out even going on trial? Now they can go on trial.
Comment by Squegeeboo — September 25, 2007 @ 11:42 am
A kangaroo court where evidence against the prisoner is considered too secret to show the defense lawyer is not what I consider a fair trial. These trials sound like something copied from the Chinese Court system.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:53 amComment by Wayne — September 25, 2007 @ 11:53 am
I'm astonished they could try that w/ a straight face and not break down laughing.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:54 amBTW, where'd Li'l Foot go? He was here jes' a minute ago.
Mebbe on the short bus back to Clown Alley???
September 25th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy is this just a victory for Bush? Doesn’t the left complain about how these people just sit in Gitmo with out even going on trial? Now they can go on trial.
Comment by Squegeeboo
Yes, now they can go on trial at a "Military Tribunal" where they have virtually no rights. They don't have the right to confront witnesses and they don't have the right to present witnesses on their behalf. These "Military Tribunal's" are your basic Kangaroo Court.
September 25th, 2007 at 11:59 amHowever may I be so bold to say that the antireligious here often demonstrate an intolerance based, not on facts like science or statistics but, on conjecture based on their own bigotry very much like the racists whom most of us despise for doing the same.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Bullsh!t.
I am anti Organized Religion. I come by my opinion from the historical records showing organized religions, christian, muslum, hindu, etc.. has shed more innocent blood over the history of mankind than all the tyrants and dictators of history put together.
That is alot of innocent blood on the hands of those who profess to speak for God.
And christians, historically, when they do not have non-christans to murder, tend to turn on other christians of different sects to persecute and murder. Historical fact.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pmLots of church-going folk have been/are regulars at this site. Most of the progressive movements of the 18th-20th centuries were championed by church leaders. You'd have to have lived your whole life in a deep, dark hole to believe that the left end of the American political landscape is "anti-religion".
September 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI think this can be argued about humanity in general or better yet organized government I am certain that more have died at the hands of government than of non-organized humans. Will you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.
Comment by Vendetta
Your logic is seriously flawed. Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion. Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.
And your straw man argument that if you don't oppose big government you support anarchy is just that, a stupid straw-man argument.
I support a government that is in existence to support the people within the country the government applies. I believe our government has the duty to protect us, provide for our welfare....you know, all that stuff that is in the Constitution.
Our current Administration is trying to destroy our government so that they can replace it with private industry. That way their rich friends can not only make money off of war, they can also make money off of doing the things the constitution provides for. If that ever comes to pass, the United States of America will cease to exist. We will officially become the United Corporations of America.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:51 pm107 - I'd have to say you're mistaken in that assumption. You're trapped in that "pro-or-anti" modality, which dictates that, if a person does not 110% embrace something, it means they are 110% opposed to its existence, and vice versa. It's the fruit of a poison rhetorical tree that prevents its practicioners from ever gaining a better understanding of the objects of their inquiry. It's especially harmful in the political sphere, where people are forced into one or the other position at the insistence of an aggressive and lesser-informed opponent. "You must either condemn X, or we will insist that you condone Y". The logic is faulty, and it leads everyone away from the truth.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pm107 - You also seem to have missed my central point, which was the fact that religious groups have been, up until the '80's, champions of "Lefty" causes. The reason is that Lefty causes mesh better with real Christian values.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmYour logic is seriously flawed. Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion. Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Bilbo, I've got to take issue with you on this. While I agree that religion has played an enormous role in wars and death, I think that you'll find that wars of territory and conquest have been responsible for equal or greater numbers. This is especially true when you consider that the wars of the last few centuries, due to "efficiencies" have managed to slaughter huge quantities of people and most of them have not been religious in nature.
Romans, Mongols, the colonization of North and South America . . . all primarily wars of conquest and territory with very little actual religious content (although the Spanish conquests certainly had this as a component).
Just sayin'.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWill you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Since you do not even know my positions on big government or my opposition, you are showing a lack of logic and your posts historically shown a lack of creative thinking.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHowever I do think many, not all, on the left in the US have lost perspective and forgotten these achievements.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
The Inquisition, the subjugation and extermination of indiginous peoples all over the planet, slaughter of the Hugeunots, the Crusades, the 30 Years War, the Saxon War... da hits jes' keep on comin', as dey say in de muszak bidness...
September 25th, 2007 at 1:14 pmSince you do not even know my positions on big government or my opposition, you are showing a lack of logic and your posts historically shown a lack of creative thinking.
Comment by Wayne — September 25, 2007 @ 1:04 pmHow
Yep...
September 25th, 2007 at 1:15 pmRoS - I'm aware of the dark side, too, and it's also true that the big religions have always had big political partners in those dark chapters. What I wanted to emphasize is the fact that individual spiritual leaders have lent impetus to nearly all of the major Human Rights movements in history (in particular, American History) ie: Abolition, the Labor Movement, and the Peace Movement.
Vendetta @ 114 - they still, very much, do.
September 25th, 2007 at 1:34 pmOK are you an anarchist or do you at least oppose big gov?
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Your question is as simplistic as your reasoning.
I am very much a proponent of the Constitution and Rule of law. One of those tenants of the Constitution is to promote the general welfare. Spying on citizens without a warrant is a violation of the Constitution.
I believe in a strong military, but oppose using our military for corporate interests, the military should only be used if our country is at risk from an attack, not because a country took an oil field away from Exxon or peasants are striking at Chichita banana farm in central America. ( Iraq was over OIL, Bush lied )
I am neither Republican or Democrat, I am more of a liberal leaning independant. Neither party has the best interests of citizens at heart, while they pocket money from Big Business.
September 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThe Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
September 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pmSaying, "Death to all those who would whimper and cry"
And dropping a bar bell he points to the sky
Saving, "The sun's not yellow it's chicken!" -- Dylan "Tombstone Blues"
Amazing, isn’t it.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 25, 2007 @ 11:46 am
The amazing thing is that year after year, no aspect of the fiasco in Iraq is unaffordable or unnecessary. There's always room for more killing, more destruction, more war, more war, more war.
We have all the money in the world for the folly of "building a democracy in the middle east." But, here in America: an American city is physically destroyed; an American state is economically crippled, and American citizens are deprived of their lives, their jobs, their property, and their homes, and suddenly, we are fiscally too responsible to help.
We are told relentlessly: It's not the Federal governments job to rebuild a New Orleans. But it is, evidently, the Federal government's job to rebuild Iraq.
September 25th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI kept it that way so you could understand but you still obviously dont.
Comment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Yeah right......
September 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhat a clown
Vendetta makes a great case, albeit accidentally, for public funding of political campaigns (a central feature of other successful democracies, and those do exist)
The problem isn't with government. Government is the sum of us - it is our property. The problem flows from allowing government to be sold to the highest bidders, who will never have the public's best interests at the top of their priority list.
If you wouldn't "turn out" one of your own for $, then you should support the separation of "free markets" and "our government".
(i feel a little dirty now, from dealing with ideas that came from grover norquist and ronald reagan - brb after i wash up)
September 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmComment by Vendetta — September 25, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
I often wonder from an environmental perspective if parts should not be rebuilt but allowed to be reclaimed by the sea.
The sea should not be reclaiming any part of the Louisiana. A more responsible plan for managing and rebuilding the wetlands is part of the "unaffordable" and "unnecessary" expenditures. The Mississippi River will rebuild the wetlands, we just have to allow it.
Does it make sense to build below sea level? ...that which is rebuilt will be destroyed again.
Does it make sense to build anywhere? Almost everywhere is prone to some sort of hazard...blizzards, earthquakes, dams, volcanoes...
But this place - New Orleans - is like no other. It is at the triple junction of the busiest inland waterway on earth and the oceans of the world and the intracoastal waterway. Tampa, Houston, Mobile...none of those places can say that. Before Katrina, South Louisiana ports were four of the eight busiest ports in the United States - two of them in the top four. The nation needs those ports. People are needed to work those ports. Those people live in New Orleans.
September 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmmust take huge pockets to carry all those false assumptions around V
September 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmand, if you want to go hunting welfare queens (somehow I knew there was a supersitious reaganaut racist under all that rhetoric), you'll find the best and the biggest of them in the Defense contractor sector.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:10 pm