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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4091316</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, if you want to go hunting welfare queens (somehow I knew there was a supersitious reaganaut racist under all that rhetoric), you&#039;ll find the best and the biggest of them in the Defense contractor sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, if you want to go hunting welfare queens (somehow I knew there was a supersitious reaganaut racist under all that rhetoric), you&#8217;ll find the best and the biggest of them in the Defense contractor sector.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4091316', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4091176</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>must take huge pockets to carry all those false assumptions around V</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>must take huge pockets to carry all those false assumptions around V<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4091176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bienville</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4091088</link>
		<dc:creator>Bienville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 3:12 pm

I often wonder from an environmental perspective if parts should not be rebuilt but allowed to be reclaimed by the sea. &lt;/em&gt;
The sea should not be reclaiming any part of the Louisiana. A more responsible plan for managing and rebuilding the wetlands is part of the &quot;unaffordable&quot; and &quot;unnecessary&quot; expenditures. The Mississippi River will rebuild the wetlands, we just have to allow it.

&lt;em&gt;Does it make sense to build below sea level? ...that which is rebuilt will be destroyed again.&lt;/em&gt;
Does it make sense to build anywhere? Almost everywhere is prone to some sort of hazard...blizzards, earthquakes, dams, volcanoes... 

But this place - New Orleans - is like no other. It is at the triple junction of the busiest inland waterway on earth and the oceans of the world and the intracoastal waterway. Tampa, Houston, Mobile...none of those places can say that. Before Katrina, South Louisiana ports were four of the eight busiest ports in the United States - two of them in the top four. The nation needs those ports. People are needed to work those ports. Those people live in New Orleans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 3:12 pm</p>
<p>I often wonder from an environmental perspective if parts should not be rebuilt but allowed to be reclaimed by the sea. </em><br />
The sea should not be reclaiming any part of the Louisiana. A more responsible plan for managing and rebuilding the wetlands is part of the &#8220;unaffordable&#8221; and &#8220;unnecessary&#8221; expenditures. The Mississippi River will rebuild the wetlands, we just have to allow it.</p>
<p><em>Does it make sense to build below sea level? &#8230;that which is rebuilt will be destroyed again.</em><br />
Does it make sense to build anywhere? Almost everywhere is prone to some sort of hazard&#8230;blizzards, earthquakes, dams, volcanoes&#8230; </p>
<p>But this place &#8211; New Orleans &#8211; is like no other. It is at the triple junction of the busiest inland waterway on earth and the oceans of the world and the intracoastal waterway. Tampa, Houston, Mobile&#8230;none of those places can say that. Before Katrina, South Louisiana ports were four of the eight busiest ports in the United States &#8211; two of them in the top four. The nation needs those ports. People are needed to work those ports. Those people live in New Orleans.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4091088', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4091054</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vendetta makes a great case, albeit accidentally, for public funding of political campaigns (a central feature of other successful democracies, and those do exist) 

The problem isn&#039;t with government. Government is the sum of us - it is our property. The problem flows from allowing government to be sold to the highest bidders, who will never have the public&#039;s best interests at the top of their priority list.

If you wouldn&#039;t &quot;turn out&quot; one of your own for $, then you should support the separation of &quot;free markets&quot; and &quot;our government&quot;.

(i feel a little dirty now, from dealing with ideas that came from grover norquist and ronald reagan - brb after i wash up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendetta makes a great case, albeit accidentally, for public funding of political campaigns (a central feature of other successful democracies, and those do exist) </p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t with government. Government is the sum of us &#8211; it is our property. The problem flows from allowing government to be sold to the highest bidders, who will never have the public&#8217;s best interests at the top of their priority list.</p>
<p>If you wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;turn out&#8221; one of your own for $, then you should support the separation of &#8220;free markets&#8221; and &#8220;our government&#8221;.</p>
<p>(i feel a little dirty now, from dealing with ideas that came from grover norquist and ronald reagan &#8211; brb after i wash up)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4091054', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I kept it that way so you could understand but you still obviously dont.
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 2:55 pm&lt;/em&gt;


Yeah   right......
What a clown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I kept it that way so you could understand but you still obviously dont.<br />
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 2:55 pm</em></p>
<p>Yeah   right&#8230;&#8230;<br />
What a clown<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4091015', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bienville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bienville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Amazing, isnâ€™t it.

Comment by bilbobaggins â€” September 25, 2007 @ 11:46 am&lt;/em&gt;

The amazing thing is that year after year, no aspect of the fiasco in Iraq is unaffordable or unnecessary. There&#039;s always room for more killing, more destruction, more war, more war, more war. 

We have all the money in the world for the folly of &quot;building a democracy in the middle east.&quot; But, here in America: an American city is physically destroyed; an American state is economically crippled, and American citizens are deprived of their lives, their jobs, their property, and their homes, and suddenly, we are fiscally too responsible to help. 

We are told relentlessly: It&#039;s not the Federal governments job to rebuild a New Orleans. But it is, evidently, the Federal government&#039;s job to rebuild Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Amazing, isnâ€™t it.</p>
<p>Comment by bilbobaggins â€” September 25, 2007 @ 11:46 am</em></p>
<p>The amazing thing is that year after year, no aspect of the fiasco in Iraq is unaffordable or unnecessary. There&#8217;s always room for more killing, more destruction, more war, more war, more war. </p>
<p>We have all the money in the world for the folly of &#8220;building a democracy in the middle east.&#8221; But, here in America: an American city is physically destroyed; an American state is economically crippled, and American citizens are deprived of their lives, their jobs, their property, and their homes, and suddenly, we are fiscally too responsible to help. </p>
<p>We are told relentlessly: It&#8217;s not the Federal governments job to rebuild a New Orleans. But it is, evidently, the Federal government&#8217;s job to rebuild Iraq.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090974', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: just john</title>
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		<dc:creator>just john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
Saying, &quot;Death to all those who would whimper and cry&quot;
And dropping a bar bell he points to the sky
Saving, &quot;The sun&#039;s not yellow it&#039;s chicken!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; --  Dylan &quot;Tombstone Blues&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly<br />
Saying, &#8220;Death to all those who would whimper and cry&#8221;<br />
And dropping a bar bell he points to the sky<br />
Saving, &#8220;The sun&#8217;s not yellow it&#8217;s chicken!&#8221;</em> &#8212;  Dylan &#8220;Tombstone Blues&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090903', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;OK are you an anarchist or do you at least oppose big gov?
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 1:15 pm&lt;/em&gt;


Your question  is as simplistic  as  your  reasoning.

I am very much  a  proponent  of   the  Constitution  and Rule  of law.  One  of those  tenants of the  Constitution is  to promote  the  general welfare. Spying  on citizens  without a warrant  is  a violation  of the Constitution.

 I believe  in a  strong military, but oppose  using our military  for  corporate  interests,  the military  should only  be  used  if our country is at  risk from  an  attack, not  because  a  country took  an  oil  field  away  from  Exxon  or  peasants are  striking  at Chichita  banana   farm  in  central America.  (  Iraq  was over  OIL, Bush lied )

 I am neither  Republican or  Democrat, I  am more of  a  liberal leaning  independant.   Neither  party has the best interests of  citizens  at heart,  while they pocket money  from  Big Business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>OK are you an anarchist or do you at least oppose big gov?<br />
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 1:15 pm</em></p>
<p>Your question  is as simplistic  as  your  reasoning.</p>
<p>I am very much  a  proponent  of   the  Constitution  and Rule  of law.  One  of those  tenants of the  Constitution is  to promote  the  general welfare. Spying  on citizens  without a warrant  is  a violation  of the Constitution.</p>
<p> I believe  in a  strong military, but oppose  using our military  for  corporate  interests,  the military  should only  be  used  if our country is at  risk from  an  attack, not  because  a  country took  an  oil  field  away  from  Exxon  or  peasants are  striking  at Chichita  banana   farm  in  central America.  (  Iraq  was over  OIL, Bush lied )</p>
<p> I am neither  Republican or  Democrat, I  am more of  a  liberal leaning  independant.   Neither  party has the best interests of  citizens  at heart,  while they pocket money  from  Big Business.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090893', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090793</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RoS - I&#039;m aware of the dark side, too, and it&#039;s also true that the big religions have always had big political partners in those dark chapters. What I wanted to emphasize is the fact that individual spiritual leaders have lent impetus to nearly all of the major Human Rights movements in history (in particular, American History) ie: Abolition, the Labor Movement, and the Peace Movement.

Vendetta @ 114 - they still, very much, do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RoS &#8211; I&#8217;m aware of the dark side, too, and it&#8217;s also true that the big religions have always had big political partners in those dark chapters. What I wanted to emphasize is the fact that individual spiritual leaders have lent impetus to nearly all of the major Human Rights movements in history (in particular, American History) ie: Abolition, the Labor Movement, and the Peace Movement.</p>
<p>Vendetta @ 114 &#8211; they still, very much, do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090793', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090758</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you do not even know my positions on big government or my opposition, you are showing a lack of logic and your posts historically shown a lack of creative thinking.

Comment by Wayne â€” September 25, 2007 @ 1:04 pmHow

Yep...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you do not even know my positions on big government or my opposition, you are showing a lack of logic and your posts historically shown a lack of creative thinking.</p>
<p>Comment by Wayne â€” September 25, 2007 @ 1:04 pmHow</p>
<p>Yep&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090758', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090755</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However I do think many, not all, on the left in the US have lost perspective and forgotten these achievements.

Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:45 pm

The Inquisition, the subjugation and extermination of indiginous peoples all over the planet, slaughter of the Hugeunots, the Crusades, the 30 Years War, the Saxon War...  da hits jes&#039; keep on comin&#039;, as dey say in de muszak bidness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However I do think many, not all, on the left in the US have lost perspective and forgotten these achievements.</p>
<p>Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:45 pm</p>
<p>The Inquisition, the subjugation and extermination of indiginous peoples all over the planet, slaughter of the Hugeunots, the Crusades, the 30 Years War, the Saxon War&#8230;  da hits jes&#8217; keep on comin&#8217;, as dey say in de muszak bidness&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090755', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Will you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:38 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Since   you  do not even know my  positions  on   big  government or my opposition,  you  are showing  a  lack of logic   and  your posts  historically shown  a  lack of creative thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Will you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.<br />
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:38 pm</em></p>
<p>Since   you  do not even know my  positions  on   big  government or my opposition,  you  are showing  a  lack of logic   and  your posts  historically shown  a  lack of creative thinking.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090736', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Your logic is seriously flawed. Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion. Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.


Comment by bilbobaggins â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:51 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Bilbo, I&#039;ve got to take issue with you on this. While I agree that religion has played an enormous role in wars and death, I think that you&#039;ll find that wars of territory and conquest have been responsible for equal or greater numbers. This is especially true when you consider that the wars of the last few centuries, due to &quot;efficiencies&quot; have managed to slaughter huge quantities of people and most of them have not been religious in nature.

Romans, Mongols, the colonization of North and South America . . . all primarily wars of conquest and territory with very little actual religious content (although the Spanish conquests certainly had this as a component).

Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Your logic is seriously flawed. Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion. Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.</p>
<p>Comment by bilbobaggins â€” September 25, 2007 @ 12:51 pm</em></p>
<p>Bilbo, I&#8217;ve got to take issue with you on this. While I agree that religion has played an enormous role in wars and death, I think that you&#8217;ll find that wars of territory and conquest have been responsible for equal or greater numbers. This is especially true when you consider that the wars of the last few centuries, due to &#8220;efficiencies&#8221; have managed to slaughter huge quantities of people and most of them have not been religious in nature.</p>
<p>Romans, Mongols, the colonization of North and South America . . . all primarily wars of conquest and territory with very little actual religious content (although the Spanish conquests certainly had this as a component).</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090733', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>107  - You also seem to have missed my central point, which was the fact that religious groups have been, up until the &#039;80&#039;s, champions of &quot;Lefty&quot; causes. The reason is that Lefty causes mesh better with real Christian values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>107  &#8211; You also seem to have missed my central point, which was the fact that religious groups have been, up until the &#8217;80&#8217;s, champions of &#8220;Lefty&#8221; causes. The reason is that Lefty causes mesh better with real Christian values.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090724', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090717</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>107 - I&#039;d have to say you&#039;re mistaken in that assumption. You&#039;re trapped in that &quot;pro-or-anti&quot; modality, which dictates that, if a person does not 110% embrace something, it means they are 110% opposed to its existence, and vice versa. It&#039;s the fruit of a poison rhetorical tree that prevents its practicioners from ever gaining a better understanding of the objects of their inquiry. It&#039;s especially harmful in the political sphere, where people are forced into one or the other position at the insistence of an aggressive and lesser-informed opponent. &quot;You must either condemn X, or we will insist that you condone Y&quot;. The logic is faulty, and it leads everyone away from the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>107 &#8211; I&#8217;d have to say you&#8217;re mistaken in that assumption. You&#8217;re trapped in that &#8220;pro-or-anti&#8221; modality, which dictates that, if a person does not 110% embrace something, it means they are 110% opposed to its existence, and vice versa. It&#8217;s the fruit of a poison rhetorical tree that prevents its practicioners from ever gaining a better understanding of the objects of their inquiry. It&#8217;s especially harmful in the political sphere, where people are forced into one or the other position at the insistence of an aggressive and lesser-informed opponent. &#8220;You must either condemn X, or we will insist that you condone Y&#8221;. The logic is faulty, and it leads everyone away from the truth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090717', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090714</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think this can be argued about humanity in general or better yet organized government I am certain that more have died at the hands of government than of non-organized humans. Will you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.
Comment by Vendetta&lt;/em&gt;

Your logic is seriously flawed.  Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion.  Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.  

And your straw man argument that if you don&#039;t oppose big government you support anarchy is just that, a stupid straw-man argument.

I support a government that is in existence to support the people within the country the government applies.  I believe our government has the duty to protect us, provide for our welfare....you know, all that stuff that is in the Constitution. 

Our current Administration is trying to destroy our government so that they can replace it with private industry.  That way their rich friends can not only make money off of war, they can also make money off of doing the things the constitution provides for.  If that ever comes to pass, the United States of America will cease to exist.  We will officially become the United Corporations of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think this can be argued about humanity in general or better yet organized government I am certain that more have died at the hands of government than of non-organized humans. Will you become a supporter of anarchy or at least join me in my opposition to big government? Probably not. But it shows the lack of logic in your thinking.<br />
Comment by Vendetta</em></p>
<p>Your logic is seriously flawed.  Most people who have died on this earth have died because of religion.  Many governments start wars that are based on religious beliefs or to protect religious groups.  </p>
<p>And your straw man argument that if you don&#8217;t oppose big government you support anarchy is just that, a stupid straw-man argument.</p>
<p>I support a government that is in existence to support the people within the country the government applies.  I believe our government has the duty to protect us, provide for our welfare&#8230;.you know, all that stuff that is in the Constitution. </p>
<p>Our current Administration is trying to destroy our government so that they can replace it with private industry.  That way their rich friends can not only make money off of war, they can also make money off of doing the things the constitution provides for.  If that ever comes to pass, the United States of America will cease to exist.  We will officially become the United Corporations of America.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090714', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090663</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of church-going folk have been/are regulars at this site. Most of the progressive movements of the 18th-20th centuries were championed by church leaders. You&#039;d have to have lived your whole life in a deep, dark hole to believe that the left end of the American political landscape is &quot;anti-religion&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of church-going folk have been/are regulars at this site. Most of the progressive movements of the 18th-20th centuries were championed by church leaders. You&#8217;d have to have lived your whole life in a deep, dark hole to believe that the left end of the American political landscape is &#8220;anti-religion&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090663', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090615</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;However may I be so bold to say that the antireligious here often demonstrate an intolerance based, not on facts like science or statistics but, on conjecture based on their own bigotry very much like the racists whom most of us despise for doing the same.
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 11:15 am&lt;/em&gt;

Bullsh!t.

I am   anti  Organized Religion. I come by my opinion  from  the historical records  showing   organized religions, christian, muslum, hindu,  etc..   has  shed  more  innocent blood  over  the  history  of  mankind  than  all  the  tyrants  and  dictators  of history  put together.

That is  alot  of  innocent  blood  on  the  hands  of those  who profess  to  speak  for  God.

And christians, historically,  when  they  do not  have  non-christans  to murder,   tend   to  turn  on  other  christians  of  different  sects  to  persecute  and murder.  Historical  fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>However may I be so bold to say that the antireligious here often demonstrate an intolerance based, not on facts like science or statistics but, on conjecture based on their own bigotry very much like the racists whom most of us despise for doing the same.<br />
Comment by Vendetta â€” September 25, 2007 @ 11:15 am</em></p>
<p>Bullsh!t.</p>
<p>I am   anti  Organized Religion. I come by my opinion  from  the historical records  showing   organized religions, christian, muslum, hindu,  etc..   has  shed  more  innocent blood  over  the  history  of  mankind  than  all  the  tyrants  and  dictators  of history  put together.</p>
<p>That is  alot  of  innocent  blood  on  the  hands  of those  who profess  to  speak  for  God.</p>
<p>And christians, historically,  when  they  do not  have  non-christans  to murder,   tend   to  turn  on  other  christians  of  different  sects  to  persecute  and murder.  Historical  fact.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090615', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090606</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why is this just a victory for Bush? Doesnâ€™t the left complain about how these people just sit in Gitmo with out even going on trial? Now they can go on trial.
Comment by Squegeeboo &lt;/em&gt;

Yes, now they can go on trial at a &quot;Military Tribunal&quot; where they have virtually no rights.  They don&#039;t have the right to confront witnesses and they don&#039;t have the right to present witnesses on their behalf.  These &quot;Military Tribunal&#039;s&quot; are your basic Kangaroo Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why is this just a victory for Bush? Doesnâ€™t the left complain about how these people just sit in Gitmo with out even going on trial? Now they can go on trial.<br />
Comment by Squegeeboo </em></p>
<p>Yes, now they can go on trial at a &#8220;Military Tribunal&#8221; where they have virtually no rights.  They don&#8217;t have the right to confront witnesses and they don&#8217;t have the right to present witnesses on their behalf.  These &#8220;Military Tribunal&#8217;s&#8221; are your basic Kangaroo Court.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090606', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/thinkfast-september-25-2007/comment-page-3/#comment-4090599</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, where&#039;d Li&#039;l Foot go?  He was here jes&#039; a minute ago.

Mebbe on the short bus back to Clown Alley???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, where&#8217;d Li&#8217;l Foot go?  He was here jes&#8217; a minute ago.</p>
<p>Mebbe on the short bus back to Clown Alley???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4090599', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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