Clinton rips right wing for ‘feigned outrage’ over MoveOn ad.
Clinton rips right wing for ‘feigned outrage’ over MoveOn ad.
In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, President Bill Clinton said there was something “completely disingenuous about the feigned outrage” from conservatives over the MoveOn ad. Clinton noted that many of the same conservatives who expressed outrage had likened Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) to Osama bin Laden and had smeared Sen. John Kerry’s (D-MA) war record. He added:
It was just bait and switch. It was just, oh thank goodness, I can take this little word here and ignore what we’ve done in Iraq and what we’re gonna do — and the outrageous way we gained political power by smearing John Kerry.
Watch it:
The House today voted to condemn the MoveOn ad — a full 16 days after it first appeared in the New York Times. The full interview with Clinton airs tonight on CNN at 10 pm EST.
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Is it me or is this Bill at his best?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWingnuts have lost their credibility, and have lost America. We must fight to get it back, if it’s still possible. Clean house on the Dem side as well, they should have nuked the repigs from the first day on.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:36 pm#1 – I’d agree – he’ll eventually become the kind of shining example of a former President that no Republican could ever hope to be in their wildest dreams, just like Jimmy Carter has.
Hillary bashing is pretty popular right now on bith sides, but it occurred to me today that she’s the only public figure ever to call the right-wing power grabbers to the carpet, and call it by name: “a vast right-wing conspiracy”, which is exactly what it is. A cabal propped up by old money that still has a chip on its shoulder over FDR and the New Deal (the last good thing the US government ever did for its citizens).
Watch the Ken Burns documentary on pbs, and marvel at how good a President can be, and how contemporary pretenders to the halls of power suck ass in comparison.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pm#3, should read “both”, not “bith” – when will I ever manage to become a more accurate 3-fingered typist?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmGood for Bill.
It’s too bad that the Republicans just scared Hillary into voting for the Lieberman-Kyl condemnation of Iran.
It’s a set up Hillary. When Bush drops bombs on Iran, thanks to the Senate, you’ll look like a sucker, once again, for giving him the permission. The other Democratic candidates didn’t fall for it.
Why are you not learning the lesson?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:43 pmComment by Rory — September 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
What’s your point, Rory?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pmBy a 341-79 vote, the U.S. House passed a resolution praising the patriotism of Gen. Petraeus and condemning a MoveOn.org ad. The vast majority of House Democrats, including Speaker of the House Pelosi, voted FOR the resolution . . .
Comment by Rory — September 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
well, modern politicians are gutless wonders, and the dems are gun-shy after having the White House and the senate stolen from them twice. Besides, so what? I mean, really. Notice that it didn’t phase MoveOn in the least; they are showing far more courage and patriotism than all but 79 representatives.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pmThe big dog nails it.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pmI don’t believe Pelosi, as Speaker, voted for the resolution to condemn MoveOn.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmIn fact, it’s no surprise that most of the establishment pols voted for a meaningless resolution; they are all running very scared of the power of the internet, and MoveOn represents that power, and a real threat to the bottom-feeders that are on the corporate teat. I think I’ll send them some money…
September 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmWeird, Pelosi is not listed as voting at all, either yea, nay or even not voting according the roll call tally posted on the House Clerk’s page.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pmRory sez:
No…he should rip them for being spineless collaborators and for betraying the trust of the voters who elected them.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:55 pmMy point is that Bill Clinton should also rip the VAST MAJORITY of Democratic Congressmen for ‘feigned outrage’, don’t you think?
Comment by Rory — September 26, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Why would he do that? Why is it always the responsibility of the Democrats to be “bipartisan” and the Republicans are invariably just as partisan as it’s possible to be?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI agree, he should. And many of us on the left-side of the blogsphere are ripping on the gutless turds on the Dem side who vote for this kind of crap. Your point?
September 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmAll the GOP can do is bait and switch. Just like the trolls on these threads, they have absolutely nothing honest or credible on their side of the ledger so their singular option is to hijack the conversation away from this dispicable war, war profiteering, illegal spying, outsourcing of torture, violations of constitutional rights, and the antics of Republicans going down the tubes as criminals each day….GOP “Scandal Du Jour”.
It would take a gall-dang Houdini to elude the avalanche of $hit hitting the fan on this white house and the GOP.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmRory: You make a great point here. How did something as inane and ridiculous (not to mention the fact that these congressmen need a primer in the right to free speech – ahem!) get to the floor for a vote anyway? Pelosi’s asleep at the wheel I’m afraid and one HUGE disappointment. I guess those rumors of illegal aliens working in her vineyard are not just rumor but being used as blackmail these days.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pmSmart Dems are going to refrain from attacking their own. Bill is a smart Dem.
Let’s not have a bunch of high-horse malcontents (though I reside with them in spirit) Nader-ize the next election shall we?
I’d take the worst of the Dems (Lieberman excepted) over any R, any time.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:01 pmRory sez:
We shouldn’t have to. We voted them in to take care of this mess…not to facilitate it.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:02 pmtombaker sez:
Lieberman’s no Democrat.
He’s no Independent, either.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pmAnd just to put in a major plug here for those of you whom are disenchanted, disgusted and downright angry at being taken to the cleaners by those we elected to represent us and clean up this corruption – you do have a way to feel free from the complicity brought on by party affiliation – by registering Independent.
This is not to say that if you register as an Independent you are supporting an Independent candidate; conversely, you can still vote for anyone you choose.
This may be perhaps OUR LAST VOICE in this democracy. The I’s or Unaffiliateds in New Hampshire now number 44% of all registered voters. Nationally, Registered Independents have reached 35% and soon the MSM will have no alternative but to recognize this huge and growing bloc of voters because they now wield power.
Regain your voice in this government; Regain your personal power. Visit your Supervisor of Elections (or online if available in your state) and Register Independent today.
Express yourself while you still can!
September 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pmTripMaster: If Lieberman’s a true Independent, I’ll eat my keyboard! We don’t want him, that’s for sure. He’s a disgrace and an embarrassment.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pmRory sez:
Already have quite a while ago, Rory.
Again, what’s your point?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pmRory: Renouncing Democrats is one thing; serving them “notice” by registering as an Independent is another. It’s a clear way to send them your “notice of renunciation”.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pmAnd since most I’s lean heavily in the direction of the democrats, they can see just how many voters they may potentially lose due to their continued abrogation of duty.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmRory sez:
I said nothing of the sort, Rory.
You must be new at this.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmIf the numbers of Registered Unaffiliated Voters continues to rise, the dialogue will switch to our inept, impotent “two party system”. The virtual “pissing contest” going on in Congress these days is abominable and beginning to resemble schoolyard brawls. Shameful that we’re funding this pissing contest as well.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmLieberman’s no Democrat.
He’s no Independent, either.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 26, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
He’s a warmonger.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmSo what really is the point you’re attempting to make here, Rory?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmRory sez:
Veritas did not say that either.
You’re going to have to do much better than this, Rory…
September 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmLieberman is the quintessential war monger acting out of the Jewish Holocaust “painbody”, that’s clear. Unfortunately, he’s carrying baggage from another era which is why he always appears so out of touch with reality. He needs a good shrink.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmrory: I see that President Clinton has once again ripped the right wing, a new a$$hole. So, is your bum a little sore.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmTripMaster: Have to run. I hate to leave you with what appears to be a “concern troll” named Rory but such is life. Catch you later! BTW, I really enjoy your posts. Do you post at the Zoo?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmWhoops! So much for “renouncing the Democrats completely†— anyone else besides Veritas and bilbobaggins?
Comment by Rory — September 26, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
I’m renouncing the republicans completely. Does that count?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmRory sez:
Renouncing does not equal pledging not to vote for them, Rory.
I give the Democrats exactly as much allegiance as I give the Republicans…none whatsoever. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:13 pmrory: Still shilling for the g.o.p.? GTFOUHAH
September 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmIf I’ve misred your sincerity, Rory, apologies. But somehow these threads begin to reek if you know what I mean….the malodorous stench of a troll in disguse if you catch my drift.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmSee you later, veritas. Yes, I post (both stories and comments). We’re blogging on the Democratic Presidential Debate right now, actually.
Don’t worry about Rory. He’s strictly a third-stringer.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmrory: Still shilling for the whigs, er . . . republics? You’re about as independent as rush.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmAlso how about those Purple Heart Band-Aids at the Repuppetcan Convention. Now as an Army Sergeant First Class that has been to EVERY conflict since Panama in 89, and two tours in Iraq, I must say that that was one of the most despicable displays EVER. I know Soldiers who have been awarded Purple Hearts and not all of them lose limbs and life, but the simple fact that they were (ARE) in the postion to lose life and limb is nothing to laugh at.
I was sitting in the mess hall in Mosul on that day in Dec 2004 and I remember the blast and I remember getting knocked out my seat and I remember looking for my men and my XO. And remember seeing the blood running out of my and my XO’s ears but we were alright we just wanted to help the worse off. All it would have taken to receive Purple Hearts was for someone to write it up and we would have got them, but We weren’t interested plus I already had one from Panama.
Alot of people were killed that day (21) and a lot of people were wounded I helped a guy who looked pretty bad off and didn’t know until I got back that he was my daughter’s best friends father.
There were plenty of Purple Hearts given out for that terrible day, given to people who if you looked at them you would say that nothing was wrong with them, but you know what…………………THEY WERE THERE!!!!
None of you could imagine the outrage WE felt watching the Repuppetcans INSULT the vakue of a Purple Heart, and the fact that the so-called liberal media let it go was the last straw.
One day all of you who claim to “support the troops” but really only support the Repuppetcan Party and its “Band of Runner’s” are gonna receive the cruelest reality and I cant wait to watch you get it.
General Petreaus is the worse kind of General. He values politics over his Soldiers.
Mad over an ad, when We went to war over a lie…..gimme a damn break
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Bronze Star w V, and Purple Heart Recipient
Kerry was in Vietnam, Max Cleeland was in Vietnam, Bush and Cheney were home hiding out.
So spare me with this faux outrage
September 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pmThe point I believe that you are intentionally missing, Ms. Rory, is that just because one is an independent thinker who is not led by the ring in his nose by a group of fascists, it somehow besmerches the democrats. Registering as an Independent means that this growing bloc of voters will wield power in 08 and will vote for the candidate of our choice. It goes without saying that the Repukes are tanking by their numbers (now at 27%) and will tank even further with Toxic Bush still outraging the public.
Essentially, if you take this bloc of I’s at face value (35%) (mostly Democrats) and contrast it to the decreasing number of Reg. Repukes, I think that soon it will eclipse the GOP. When that occurs, our present “two party system” will be in serious jeopardy and the GOP may become extinct.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pm. . . anyone else?
Comment by Rory
Rory, you have to hold hands, otherwise the magical spell wont function.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pmDoes that mean you are going to vote for Republicans?
Comment by Rory — September 26, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Just as soon as Hell freezes over.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pmToday one may renounce the democrats who voted on something as inane and superficial as this MoveOn nonsense; EVERY DAY people are renouncing the continued debouchery, chicanery and corruption. The Republicans do not deserve to be in office; what’s more they don’t deserve to be funded by american dollars at this point.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmRory sez:
I’m sure you are, Rory, since you’re obviously in favor of renouncing anybody and everybody with a (D) after their name, as evidenced by this post:
Your ridiculous partisanship would be laughable, if it weren’t so appalling. “Independent”, indeed. Don’t make me laugh.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:23 pmRory: If you ask the majority of Registered Independents if they would EVER consider voting Republican, they’d laugh you right off the planet. How anyone could consider voting Repuke after this horrendous administration of smoke & mirrors, lies and deceit is well beyond any logic. Only one getting rich from war profiteering, Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance would be all that’s left to the GOP at this point.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmAnd, Rory….for the record, who gives a flying shit that it’s only you and Bilbo in the first place? No one cares. Get to sleep now before your mother catches you online past your bedtime. Nightey-night, troll.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:25 pmTMM: Rory must be a cross-dresser, too.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmRory sez:
Hmm…Rory’s penchant for asking “anyone else” reminds me rather strongly of another troll that used to frequent TP….one who also claimed he was a “Registered Independent”…one who, strangely enough, hasn’t been around lately.
Rory, have you ever posted at TP under another name?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmSweet dreams, all!
September 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmIf Bill continues to swing and connect like this, the far right will suffer a coma induced by the aneurysm formed by their collective hate.
Hillary will eclipse the other democrat(ic!) candidates and will win the nomination and the election. She will have enough time to pass universal health care and end the Iraq abortion long before the far right (aka the average republican) notices.
Fortunately for them, she won’t do either.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:27 pmA cross dresser named Jake! Gotcha, dude! Your IP gave you away.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:27 pmRory sez:
You’re a liar, Shakey Jake.
But that, of course, has been well established.
Isn’t it funny, Shakey, how when other posters change their nick to sidestep your infantile ignore list, you wind up looking like a fool, but when you change your nick in an effort to escape the perpetual joke that your reputation has become…you wind up looking like a fool.
This was fun, Shakey. Go make up another nick, and we’ll play again.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmMaybe that poor misbegotten “michael” has returned. In any event, rory is an empty moutpiece, nothing to bother with here.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pmcomity: Another g.o.p. troll trying to pit Dem against Dem. Well, thanks for playing.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pmThat is Bill Clinton at his best.
OK, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her because of Bill.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pmShe is not my first choice. =/
I am damn sure that I am not voting for republi-crook next election….
I’d like to know why so many Democrats voted for this condemnation of the Moveon.org ad? And so, while Clinton took the time to bash the right, why didn’t he reserve some of his outrage for the gutless Democrats who voted for this thing?
Comment by comity — September 26, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
How could it be less important? Politically, it’s a loser either way. It is entirely meaningless, like most repig legislation, and it’s entirely possible that establishment politicians don’t want their party smearing establishment toadies like Betrayus. Clinton is followng the rules of political warfare and avoiding friendly fire. Let him go after the right, we’ll clean our own house.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pmRory sez:
Liar.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:42 pmRory sez:
Goodnight, Jake.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:43 pmhairsplitter trolls are the worst brand of them all.
…and names will always “hurt” them – and the objects of their misguided adulation.
smarmy pricks.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:44 pmI see on another thread that bilbobaggins has renounced the Democrats completely. Who else will take that pledge?
Comment by Rory
September 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmThis is playing in the hands of the republicans.. wouldn’t they love to see the dems split into two parties…. would be a guaranteed win for them… the only way they could win.
We must strengthen what we have, kick out the weak and bring out the strong.
We must strengthen what we have, kick out the weak and bring out the strong.
Comment by had enough — September 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Well said.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pmSorry rory, comity and all other visiting trolls. Dems may fight among themselves, but in November, 2008 we are united, determined and ready to take back our country from the most corrupt, arrogant and incompetent group of thugs who ever ruled our country.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmGod, what an ugly day.
Do they sell booze in this place?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmIs “Rory” going to follow up on his list of Democrat renouncers? If one of you goes back on your renunciation will there be severe consequences?
What a dipshit.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmTRoS,
Big Box O’ Wine…?
September 26th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by helenahandbasket — September 26, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
Yep.
I might push to get a bad Dem booted out, but only against a Democrat. Maybe an independant that is liberal leaning even.
No Republican will get my vote.
They have already shown what kind of mess they can make of things. Waaaaayyyy too many times……
September 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmBigger the better, Z. W/ a squiggly straw, if you please.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmThey have already shown what kind of mess they can make of things. Waaaaayyyy too many times……
Comment by Wayne — September 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
Way, way, way, waaayyyyyy too many times.
I get this BAD feeling we’re headed for WW III.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmBigger the better, Z. W/ a squiggly straw, if you please.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 26, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
I’ll let you borrow mine — Willy’s using his… :)
September 26th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI get this BAD feeling we’re headed for WW III.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 26, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
We have already invaded 2 countries and already have forces slipping the border to the country the repukes are pushing to invade next.
It isn’t WWIII yet, but it is damn close.
Scary chit.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:03 pmBTW, my son is home ( why I have not been on much )
We are heading out to eat.
Night =)
September 26th, 2007 at 11:10 pmScary chit.
Comment by Wayne — September 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
No Sh*t? Yes, Sh*t!!! BIG F-in’ scary Sh*t!
I’ve read little bits here and there for months that US SpecOps were in Iran, causing trouble. The F-in’ nightmare in the WH hasn’t balanced the budget in yrs to the point where we have no idea what the real cost of Iraq is anymore, or where that money’s actually going.
I’ve read all along that the “supplemental” spending bills for Iraq are not part of the budget figures,so the the deficit that freakin’ madman is running might be substantially larger than we’re being told. And, now, he wants ANOTHER $190BB for his personal nightmare/bloodbath over there, and it looks like he’s going to get it.
I swear, Bush is mentally ill, and he’s taking the whole country to Hell w/ him.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:13 pmI’ll let you borrow mine — Willy’s using his… :)
Comment by Zooey — September 26, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Know what “shooting” a beer, Z?
September 26th, 2007 at 11:14 pmwe’re all disappointed around the edges, comity – take a little buoyancy from the truth: that Dems on their worst days are always better than R’s on their best – it’s still true. Some day, we’ll have another avenue, but it’ll take a long time to pave.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmFunny they didn’t make a resolution for the outing, the betrayal of an gent, Valerie Plame.
Nothing moveon could say, or do, is more disgusting than that.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pm*an agent
September 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pm“For instance, Wisconsin Rep. David Obey, a veteran Democrat, stated “I’ve got an obligation to be equally upset when that kind of juvenile debate emanates from the left,†and he voted FOR the resolution.”
Oh, for the love of Christ. Why are Dems taking the high road again? It did Kerry no good in 2004, and it’s not going to make anyone support a politician when they roll over and play dead. Republicans never take the high road, they always go for the jugular. Voters do not respond to polite platitudes of humility; they go for the rabid screamers and those not afraid to take a stand.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmHigh road? The Dems? Please.
Dems are moment.org biggest supporters. That ad was not the high road! It was a vicious attack on a honorable man. May Sorros and the rest of the movement.org filth reap 10 fold the hatred they have sown.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:32 pmThe only feigned outrage, was from a disbarred loser, errr lawyer!
Clinton’s still trying to salvage his presidential legacy as something other than his DNA on a blue dress!
September 26th, 2007 at 11:35 pm#77
“OK, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her …”
Good for you, Wayne. I doubt I will vote for her, but if she were to win, that would be okay….She is the sole adult among the remaining gang of craven lightweights that are the Democratic candidates for president.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:35 pm#105
No, she’s even a bigger lightweight if she thinks she’ll survive her past to capture the presidency.
The Clinton legacy, if she somehow gets elected, which I seriously doubt, might be the only husband and wife team that both got impeached!
September 26th, 2007 at 11:39 pmDems are moment.org biggest supporters. That ad was not the high road! It was a vicious attack on a honorable man. May Sorros and the rest of the movement.org filth reap 10 fold the hatred they have sown.
Comment by Con10tious — September 26, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
Wow, your ignorance is total and complete, from your spelling and grammar to your lack of facts. Who’s honorable? Betrayus? fat chance. No honorable man would happily lie to protect the Deserter-In-Chief. MoveOn is fa more honorable than any republican in this country; they point out the truth, and the lack of emperor’s clothing. suck on it, you poor, backwards, uneducated tool.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:39 pm#104,
Technically, President Clinton was not permanently disbarred. Following his plea agreement with the independent counsle bu which he admitted he deliberately gave misleading testimony before a federal judge, President Clinton had his law license suspended for contempt of court.
He also resigned under pressure from the U.S. Supreme Court Bar after the Court began disbarmet proceedings.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:41 pmWhy are Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid allowing these idiotic “sense of the senate” votes to even happen. They have it within their power to not allow them to come up for a vote. Instead they play right into the hands of the Conservatives. It is beginning to look like they are intentionally destroying the Democratic Party.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:41 pmClinton’s still trying to salvage his presidential legacy as something other than his DNA on a blue dress!
Comment by Con10tious — September 26, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
yeah, those 8 years of peace and prosperity, and leaving behind a surplus are going to be hard to erase, aren’t they? $70 million taxpayer dollars spent so republicans could broadcast filth to children. Hillary is about to clean your clocks, righties, and when she takes office, she will have all of the unitary executive powers that the chimp has stolen. prepare for long jail terms for republican scum.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#107
Hey bright guy, the spelling of movement.org was intentional.
What an embezzle! What a maroon! Especially if you think movement.org is truthful!
As O’Reilly says, here’s your Kool-aid!
September 26th, 2007 at 11:44 pmClinton’s blue dress DNA will go down a lot more positively in the history books than the blood of thousands of innocents on Bush’s hands, by the way, starting with the 9/11 victims he allowed to die.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:45 pmAs O’Reilly says, here’s your Kool-aid!
Comment by Con10tious — September 26, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Yes, quote a proven pervert and well-known professional liar, that’ll bring your cred right up! So, where are the MoveOn lies?
September 26th, 2007 at 11:46 pm#111
I’ll be thinking about you pining away when the Republicans win in 2008.
You just don’t get it, that once the mud starts slinging and the Clintons won’t be able to control the Republicans like they cow the Dimwitocrats like you!
September 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmDoes Bill Clinton think that Rep. Obey is “right wing� He’s not going to start baking cookies and steal Hillary’s line about the “vast right wing conspiracy†is he?
Comment by Rory
No, Rep. Obey is just another spineless Democrat. And you are our new resident Right Wing Loon. Welcome. Be prepared to look foolish, you have gotten off to a great start.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:48 pmMy point is that Bill Clinton should also rip the VAST MAJORITY of Democratic Congressmen for ‘feigned outrage’, don’t you think?
Comment by Rory
No, Clinton should rip them for being gutless wonders.
BTW, our new Right Wing Loon, were you outraged when the right smeared Max Cleland and John Kerry. My bets on NOT. Right Wing Loons only can find their outrage when it is something that a Democrat does. Unlike progressives who are pretty outraged at the Democrats for being so spineless.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:50 pm#1 – I’d agree – he’ll eventually become the kind of shining example of a former President that no Republican could ever hope to be in their wildest dreams, just like Jimmy Carter has.
Comment by tombaker — September 26, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Your standards are amazingly low. Carter is a great humanitarian and Christian, but he was a lousy president. ;)
September 26th, 2007 at 11:51 pmWhat an embezzle! What a maroon! Especially if you think movement.org is truthful!
As O’Reilly says, here’s your Kool-aid!
Comment by Con10tious
So Mr. Right Wing Loon Con10tious, what was it that moveon.org said that was not true?
September 26th, 2007 at 11:52 pmYou just don’t get it, that once the mud starts slinging and the Clintons won’t be able to control the Republicans like they cow the Dimwitocrats like you!
Comment by Con10tious — September 26, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
You haven’t a chance in hell, and you know it, but keep lying to yourself, it’s what you all do best. The GOP is done, and if elections were held today, Clinton (either one) would destroy all republiscum in a walk. And it will only get worse for you, as patriots like MoveOn continue to bring the truth of the corruption and antiAmericanism of the GOP to light. It must be a nightmare for you to realize every day that 70% of the American people think you and your repig traitors are lower than used-car salesmen. But keep listening to O’Reilly, that will ensure a rout for your party of historical proportions, and you deserve it for the damage you have done to this country.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:52 pmKnow what “shooting†a beer, Z?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 26, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Yeppers.
I live in a college town, TRoS — and I have two sons. ;)
September 26th, 2007 at 11:53 pmCarter is a great humanitarian and Christian, but he was a lousy president. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 26, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Your memory is amazingly short. He was a fine and decent president, but I don’t expect sociopathic whackjobs like you to understand those terms. Only the nutjob antiAmerican right wing characterizes Carter negatively, because they are lockstep morons.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:54 pmlike they cow the Dimwitocrats like you!
Comment by Con10tious — September 26, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
WoW!!! What nuanced political commentary.
You must be one o’ them edumacated types. Geez, does yor comment mean it’s okay for me to call you a NeoN*z# C*c*s&*k&r?
September 26th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI live in a college town, TRoS — and I have two sons. ;)
Comment by Zooey — September 26, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Then I say we toss the squiggly straws and shoot the big Box O’ Wine!
September 26th, 2007 at 11:57 pmYou must be one o’ them edumacated types. Geez, does yor comment mean it’s okay for me to call you a NeoN*z# C*c*s&*k&r?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 26, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
this is the same idiot who has nothing to show to prove moveOn’s supposed dishonesty. troll quality, always very low, has sunk to below-gutter levels since KKKarl ran away.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmClinton’s still trying to salvage his presidential legacy as something other than his DNA on a blue dress!
Comment by Con10tious
Hey Right Wing Loon – it really bugs you that the people in this country still like Clinton and they hate Bush. Too bad, so sad. Get over it.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmOnly the nutjob antiAmerican right wing characterizes Carter negatively, because they are lockstep morons.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
They also characterize Carter negatively because the comparison between Carter and Bush when it comes to honesty and integrity is glaringly evident. Bush is not fit to polish Carters shoes.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:01 amToo bad, so sad. Get over it.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 26, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
It’s interesting that even GOOPers don’t want Bush showing up anymore when they’re campaigning. Talk about radioactive.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:01 amThen I say we toss the squiggly straws and shoot the big Box O’ Wine!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 26, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
The last time drank that much wine, I was sick for three days — you first. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:03 amI was sick for three days — you first. ;)
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Gotta be careful, Z… there might not be any left when it gets back to u.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amPeople only hate Bush because he’s failed to defend the US on several occasions, starting with 9/11, going on to the anthrax attacks, then Katrina, in the meantime allowing Bin Laden free rein, catching nobody for the anthrax terror, and simultaneously losing Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the GWOT.
Clinton got a blowjob. I wonder who’s jealous?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amcon10tious – you’re a titanic WUSS.
Outing CIA agents is FELONY TREASON
Mocking a suck-up general is MOCKERY
go cry to your mommy – you’ll get nothing but an ass-whipping here.
117 – your opinion matter less to me than you will ever, ever imagine. go bite a fart.
bushies have pressed the standards bar into the dirt by adulating the cheerleader prince. name a republican former president who has done 1 thing to benefit anyone other then himself after leaving office – and ghwb’s “aid” to the Moonies sure as hell doesn’t count.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:04 am#110,
” Hillary is about to clean your clocks, righties…”
Very, very possible. Although several polls show Sen. Clinton trailing Mayor Giuliani in the polls, her victory in the 2008 presidential election is a very distinct possibility. If a Democrat were indeed to win the presidency in 2008, one can only hope it will be Sen. Clinton….She is the sole adult among the craven lightweights that make up the current roster of Democratic presidential nominees.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amShe is the sole adult among the craven lightweights that make up the current roster of Democratic presidential nominees.
Comment by Exley — September 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Unfortunately for rudi, Hillary is expected to wear a dress in public ocassionally.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:06 am“Clinton noted that many of the same conservatives who expressed outrage had likened Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) to Osama bin Laden and had smeared Sen. John Kerry’s (D-MA) war record.”
At least Cleland didn’t discredit his own service like Kerry did. Anyone who suggested Cleland betrayed his country (traitor) because he was injured in an accident rather than combat was wrong, just like those who smeared Petraeus rather than simply voicing their disagreement with him were wrong.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:07 amShe is the sole adult among the craven lightweights that make up the current roster of Democratic presidential nominees.
Such bullshit, compared to the cross-dressing, lazy, ignorant, racist flyweights of the GOP. Any of the democratic candidates is far more qualified than any of the repuke losers, and certainly far more qualified than the oaf currently vacationing in the White House. Giuliani would be a great candidate, because he would self-destruct in such a complete and entertaining way, it would be truly amusing. And he would take maybe 4 really dumb-ass red states.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:07 amjust like those who smeared Petraeus rather than simply voicing their disagreement with him were wrong.
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:07 am
So we can take it that you agree, Rush Limbaugh was wrong to call Hagel what he did, and El Rushbo will be condemned by both chambers of Congress too?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:09 amGotta be careful, Z… there might not be any left when it gets back to u.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
I’m totally fine with that, TRoS. My ancestral line of drunks thanks your for taking a bullet for me. :D
September 27th, 2007 at 12:09 amI see on another thread that bilbobaggins has renounced the Democrats completely. Who else will take that pledge?
Comment by Rory
Sorry Right Wing Loon – my becoming an Independent is not going to win the Republicans the next election. I plan on re-registering as a Democrat before the next election. I became an Independent to send the Democratic party a message that they need to step up to the plate. If enough Democrats did that, they just might get the message. My political dollars are now going to moveon.org. I have pledged them a monthly amount.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:10 am“At least Cleland didn’t discredit his own service like Kerry did.”
Kerry never discredited his service. He was standing for the real principles behind the American ideal, and against the atrocities committed by American soldiers forced into an unwinnable, immoral, illegal situation. Only rightwing loonies try to discredit a genuine war hero, because they are deeply ashamed of their own cowardice and lack of patriotism. And why aren’t you in Iraq, by the way? Trying to prove my point?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:11 amWe must strengthen what we have, kick out the weak and bring out the strong.
Comment by had enough
And exactly how are we going to do that with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the show? I am working in Oregon to get Gordon Smith kicked to the curb. The remainder of my representatives are all good progressive Democrats who can be counted on to stand up to the Republicans.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:12 amMy ancestral line of drunks thanks your for taking a bullet for me. :D
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Ah yes… t’is a noble thing! Pass me the Box and stand back!
Gluck-gluck-gluck-gluck-gluck-gluck-gluck… Eaarrp! Aaaaah… better.
Whoa… why are the walls moving in here?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:13 am…go bite a fart.
Comment by tombaker — September 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Ever so sorry, there, fella. I mistook ya for an adult. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:14 ambut this is what happens when government trys to help people. its also happening in Chaves’s Nicaragua
Comment by ron — September 27, 2007 @ 12:14 am
… said the phony who gladly got a government-underwritten education whilst bragging how he “made it on his own”.
Yer a phony and a hypocrit!
September 27th, 2007 at 12:16 amEver so sorry, there, fella. I mistook ya for an adult. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Nobody will make the same mistake about you.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:19 amSo far, then, TripMaster Monkey and bilbobaggins have stated they will not re-elect Democrats . . . anyone else?
Comment by Rory
Typical of a Right Wing Loon, take something someone says and twist it to something else. So, Rory, please point to where I have stated that I will not re-elect Democrats? Gee, you can’t? I wonder why. Could it be that you are a liar.
All I said is that I resigned from the Democratic party today and became an Independent. But, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Republic. I will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate even if I have to hold my nose. Any Democrat is better than a Republican. As a matter of fact, most of the people in this country agree with me. A recent poll showed that 57% of the people in this country will vote for “any Democrat” vs. 35% who would vote for “any Republic”. Not very good odds, are they Right Wing Loon.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:19 amot- but this is what happens when government trys to help people. its also happening in Chaves’s Nicaragua
Comment by ron — September 27, 2007 @ 12:14 am
it’s also happening here. it’s what happens when government tries to “help itself”, as republicans think is their right.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:21 amWhoa… why are the walls moving in here?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Just put your foot on the floor, you’ll be fine…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:21 amJust put your foot on the floor, you’ll be fine…
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:21 am
But why is the floor up there?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:23 amI’ve always been registered as “other”. I wanted to keep my options open. Seriously
September 27th, 2007 at 12:23 amits also happening in Chaves’s Nicaragua
Comment by ron — September 27, 2007 @ 12:14 am
STILL hasn’t learned grammar and punctuation…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:24 amKerry never discredited his service. He was standing for the real principles behind the American ideal, and against the atrocities committed by American soldiers forced into an unwinnable, immoral, illegal situation.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Expressing disrespect for the entire military because of the actions of a few absolutely discredited his service. He isn’t a stupid man. He had the ability to express his outrage over wrongdoing without smearing those who served honorably. He chose not to, and yet still tries to take advantage of the service that he deplored when it served his purpose. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:25 amNobody will make the same mistake about you.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Quite a compliment considering the source. Thanks, bud! ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:28 amYou know, people here are right. Rory does sound a lot like the Right Wing Loon Jake. I wonder if he finally got himself banned from this site like he got himself banned from the Washington Monthly site.
It would be nice if TP would base their registration on IP addresses rather than e-mail addresses. With yahoo and other mail sites, it is very easy to get a new e-mail address. That’s why Jake is permanently banned from Washington Monthly. They use IP addresses for registration.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:29 amBut, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Republic.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 27, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Huh? What did I ever do to you?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:29 amExpressing disrespect for the entire military because of the actions of a few absolutely discredited his service. He isn’t a stupid man. He had the ability to express his outrage over wrongdoing without smearing those who served honorably. He chose not to, and yet still tries to take advantage of the service that he deplored when it served his purpose. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Now you’re just a liar. he did nothing of the sort that you have described. You have no knowledge of the winter Soldier program, obviously, or you wouldn’t make such abviously partisan and false accusations. And, if he had, he would have been more right than wrong. The military did a poor job in Vietnam, as it is doing a poor job in the Middle East, because the leadership is more interested in scoring political points than in taking care of its own troops. You’ve just proven yourself ignorant of history, and blinded by partisanship. Kerry never depored the service, in fact, he served two tours. Why haven’t you?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:31 amQuite a compliment considering the source. Thanks, bud! ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:28 am
4th grade? Second time?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:32 amSo we can take it that you agree, Rush Limbaugh was wrong to call Hagel what he did, and El Rushbo will be condemned by both chambers of Congress too?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007
I don’t know what Rush called Hagel. I don’t listen to him because he tends to be quite hateful and disrespectful just like the moveon ad. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:32 amHuh? What did I ever do to you?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Sorry TRoS, no insult intended. The insult was intended towards the Republicans because they call the Democratic party the Democrat party. I’ve also decided to call all trolls on this site Right Wing Loons from now on in honor of Billo, their hero.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:33 amI don’t listen to him because he tends to be quite hateful and disrespectful just like the moveon ad. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:32 am
The fact that Rush lies daily and MoveOn doesn’t probably is of no consequence to you, a proven liar yourself.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:34 am#131
I didn’t see anyone convicted for outing a CIA agent. Did I miss a news release or are you still hoping that Fitzgerald will somehow be resurrected to bring charges?
Truly pathetic! But thanks for remembering me, sorry I can’t same the same about you.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amHuh? What did I ever do to you?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:29 am
What do you expect after shooting all that wine? Make sure you read the papers tomorrow, ok? Heh.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amI don’t know what Rush called Hagel. I don’t listen to him because he tends to be quite hateful and disrespectful just like the moveon ad. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:32 am
He called him “Senator Betrayus” and he did it before Moveon.org’s ad.
Good for the goose?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:38 am#160
Hey I agree Rush is a loud mouth, but to revere movement.org like you do is truly scary.
Tell me, do they connect the electrode directly to your head or is the connection more ethereal?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:39 amThe fact that Rush lies daily and MoveOn doesn’t probably is of no consequence to you, a proven liar yourself.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Did I type too fast for ya, bud? I’ll try again. I DON’T LISTEN TO RUSH SO I DON’T KNOW IF HE LIES DAILY.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:39 amBetter? I don’t know if moveon lies daily either, but I do know that they frequently distort things. As for me being a proven liar? LINKS! ;)
Make sure you read the papers tomorrow, ok? Heh.
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Hmmm… will I make the front page?
I vaguely remember trying to take my pants off over my head at one point… (old Woody Allen joke, and a good ‘un.)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:40 amI didn’t see anyone convicted for outing a CIA agent. Did I miss a news release or are you still hoping that Fitzgerald will somehow be resurrected to bring charges?
Truly pathetic! But thanks for remembering me, sorry I can’t same the same about you.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Truly pathetic is correct. When the White House steps in to prevent justice from being done, then great damage has been done to the USA, and you don’t care, because, like a Nazi, your party is more important than your country. Shame on you, you don’t deserve to be an American citizen. North Korea is suitable for your kind.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:40 am“I don’t listen to him because he tends to be quite hateful and disrespectful just like the moveon ad. ;)”
How do you know that, if you don’t listen to him? More proof of your lies. You’re weaker than usual tonight.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:42 am“but I do know that they frequently distort things.
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:39 am”
Like what?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:42 amTell me, do they connect the electrode directly to your head or is the connection more ethereal?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Of course, you’re the more direct type. You prefer having the electrodes attached to yer genitals, Abu Ghraib style.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:44 amThe White House and the GOP are getting ready to bomb Iran with no proof while yet again as was done in Iraq. Greenspan said what everyone knew it’s all about oil. Any country with a dictator killing the people mean nothing to the White House if the country has no oil to steal. Bill knows well this is the GOP’s way of pushing the headlines away from the Billions they want for Iraq, not passing the health care for American children and allowing the Blackwater hired killers to continue to murder Iraqis and US soldiers. He knows that the weapons used by the enemy were provided by the US and Saudis. Yes must we forget the 190,000 weapons General Petraeus lost yet there being sold by Blackwater as I speak.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:44 am#159
… said the little Tolken creature.
Maybe when you grow up you can come up with a more clever name like “The Republic of Stupidity” or “Lefty Patriot.” No wait, those aren’t clever or original. I guess the whole lot of you just keep appropriating the work of others, which, is truly ironic given your lame rhetoric.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:45 amSorry TRoS, no insult intended.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 27, 2007 @ 12:33 am
Thas okay, mon. It be one o’ dem nites here, huh?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:45 amHe called him “Senator Betrayus†and he did it before Moveon.org’s ad.
Good for the goose?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:38 am
That would be why I said Rush is hateful and disrespectful. It is just like moveon’s failure to disagree with a person’s position without smearing a decent person. I’m assuming Hagel is a decent person, which is always dicey when discussing politicians. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:47 ambut to revere movement.org like you do is truly scary.
Tell me, do they connect the electrode directly to your head or is the connection more ethereal?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Well, of course, i have no reverence for MoveOn, but they are telling the truth, unlike any republican or rightwinger. the connection is merely that I have a grasp of the facts. That is, of course, anathema to wingnuts, as the facts always favor the left. Sucks to be you.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amI guess the whole lot of you just keep appropriating the work of others, which, is truly ironic given your lame rhetoric.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Oh WOW!!! Zing!
Con10tious… WOW!!! So “original”… ‘n “meaninful”… n’ “thought-provoking”…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amThat would be why I said Rush is hateful and disrespectful.
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Just checking. We don’t want double standards or nuthin’ here…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:49 amThat would be why I said Rush is hateful and disrespectful. It is just like moveon’s failure to disagree with a person’s position without smearing a decent person. I’m assuming Hagel is a decent person, which is always dicey when discussing politicians. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 12:47 am
then your assumption applies as well to betrayus, a suckup politician if there ever was one. No decent person would support Bush’s mass murder and disrespect of the troops. Thus, betrayus gets what he deserves: mockery and disdain.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:50 amHmmm… will I make the front page?
I vaguely remember trying to take my pants off over my head at one point… (old Woody Allen joke, and a good ‘un.)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Just don’t jump bail, ok?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:50 am#171
There is absolutely no truth or proof to any of the statements you just uttered. Except that Alan Greenspan amazingly did suggest that even though we aren’t getting any oil out of Iraq that somehow it was all about the oil anyway.
Can you try and explain Greenspan’s argument or are you simply a parrot for any self-serving statement?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:51 am“I didn’t see anyone convicted for outing a CIA agent. Did I miss a news release or are you still hoping that Fitzgerald will somehow be resurrected to bring charges?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am”
There’s no question that Armitage, Rove and Libby outed her. All of them committed treason.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:52 am#179
Good Zooey, quote a child abuser to prove your point. I sincerely hope you don’t have any children…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:53 am180, too bad for you, all the the statements in #171 are true. Denial is your self-serving technique, but y8ou must eventually accept the facts, whether you like them or not. All of those statements are true. Sucks to be you.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amJust don’t jump bail, ok?
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Ummm… you didn’t put up the house, I hope?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:55 amGood Zooey, quote a child abuser to prove your point. I sincerely hope you don’t have any children…
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
What child abuser am I quoting when I advised TRoS not to jump bail? Do you have reading problems?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:55 amGood Zooey, quote a child abuser to prove your point. I sincerely hope you don’t have any children…
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
who’s a child abuser? Are you making up more slander? is that your specialty, lyig about other people? Oh, that’s right, you’re a repig troll, you don’t have any association with the truth.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:56 amGood Zooey, quote a child abuser to prove your point. I sincerely hope you don’t have any children…
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
WTF are you talking about, you moron?
Did Zooey address a comment to you? Are you part of this conversation in the least? F- OFF!!!
September 27th, 2007 at 12:56 amUmmm… you didn’t put up the house, I hope?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Heh. YOUR house. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:57 amo you have reading problems?
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:55 am
It would appear his problems go far beyond reading comprehension…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
Wow, you screwed the pooch on that one. You’re stupid enough to run for president as a Repig!
September 27th, 2007 at 12:57 amHeh. YOUR house. ;)
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 12:57 am
Uh, okay… I wish I had known that BEFORE I got out the chainsaw…
‘n started “remodeling”… but that new skylight is gonna be sooo cool…
September 27th, 2007 at 12:58 amIt would appear his problems go far beyond reading comprehension…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:57 am
No doubt. :D
September 27th, 2007 at 12:58 am#181
No Nat, Fitzgerald didn’t bring any charges, because there wasn’t any crime committed because Valerie wasn’t an agent! DOOH!
Come on, the investigation is long over and all Fitzgerald could do was screw Cheney’s chief of staff.
Please don’t bother yourself with the facts, they’re really cumbersome to small minded people.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:59 amThere is absolutely no truth or proof to any of the statements you just uttered. Except that Alan Greenspan amazingly did suggest that even though we aren’t getting any oil out of Iraq that somehow it was all about the oil anyway.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Of course it was about oil. These psychopaths in the White House thought they would be greeted as liberators and that the Iraqis would hand over their oil but the pipe dream went awry.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:00 amPlease don’t bother yourself with the facts, they’re really cumbersome to small minded people.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Your level of self-awareness is astounding.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:00 amPlease don’t bother yourself with the facts, they’re really cumbersome to small minded people.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Yeah, that’s why poor Li’l Scooter was convicted on 4 felony counts by a full jury.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:01 amPlease don’t bother yourself with the facts, they’re really cumbersome to small minded people.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
well you are the living, lying proof of that. never mind the CIA director, or the other field agents that went on record as stating she was a covert operative, keep drinking the kool-aid and weakening the USA, just like the Good Germans did. Fitzgerald convicted Cheney’s chief or staff, and Bush screwed the American people by not letting him hang for treason. Those are the facts, not your fairy-tale of lies and wishful thinking. You’re a sad, lost child. Why aren’t you in the service, by the way? it’s always the case that the biggest talkers have the least patriotism, to go with their tiny dicks. Sucks to be you.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:03 amNo Nat, Fitzgerald didn’t bring any charges, because there wasn’t any crime committed because Valerie wasn’t an agent! DOOH!
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Go read the law. You’ll find out how a person could legally out a covert CIA agent without being charged with a crime.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:03 amSay, where’d that Ron feller go? he was just about to launch into one of his anti-goverment screeds. I kinda wanted to hear what he had to say.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:04 amwingnuts are so proud of their treason.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:04 amSay, where’d that Ron feller go? he was just about to launch into one of his anti-goverment screeds. I kinda wanted to hear what he had to say.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 1:04 am
He’s filling out his food stamp application.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:05 amCome on, you guys remember that Woody Allen was screwing his adopted daughter don’t you?
No? Well I guess ignorance of the facts is honest and not just politically motivated.
Excuse me, for thinking that I was dealing with people who actually read the news instead of regurgitating the pablum from movement.org.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:05 amYou’ve just proven yourself ignorant of history, and blinded by partisanship.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Heh, heh, you need to go back and read his words and examine his actions. It’s not really glowing praise for the good men with whom he served. In fact, one would think he served almost exclusively with monsters, with a random good guy here and there. Now, of course, his tune has changed, since it better suits his purpose. And I’m the blind one? Jeeze, bud. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:05 amExcuse me, for thinking that I was dealing with people who actually read the news instead of regurgitating the pablum from movement.org.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Your pablum is apparently People Magazine.
Do try to keep on track.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:08 am#198
I already read the law Nat. There you go assuming and believing what your want without knowing the facts.
Valerie wasn’t a covert agent within the meaning of the statute. Fitzgerald knew that because he didn’t charge Armitage, who if you really were up on these things admitted that he did in fact out Valerie in the first place.
Come on Nat, try and keep up.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:09 amThere you go assuming and believing what your want without knowing the facts.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Again with the self-awareness. You are good.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:10 amHeh, heh, you need to go back and read his words and examine his actions. It’s not really glowing praise for the good men with whom he served. In fact, one would think he served almost exclusively with monsters, with a random good guy here and there. Now, of course, his tune has changed, since it better suits his purpose. And I’m the blind one? Jeeze, bud. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 1:05 am
I was there and followed it very closely. You’re lying, again. You’re also conveniently in denial of the actual carnage delivered by American troops, then and now. People are trained for weeks to kill violently, and think nothing of it. The consequences are predictable, and inevitable. Kerry was trying to uphold the standards and values of America, while you try to downplay and destroy the same. Where’s your Purple Heart? And who has more right to expose and protest an illegal, immoral war than those who fought it, and saw with their own eyes the results? Kerry was a hero then, and remains a war hero. That’s a fact that all of your lies and smears will never change. Some support of the troops, there, bud. You’re a weak, cowardly fool.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:10 amValerie wasn’t a covert agent within the meaning of the statute. Fitzgerald knew that because he didn’t charge Armitage, who if you really were up on these things admitted that he did in fact out Valerie in the first place.
Come on Nat, try and keep up.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:09 am
See, you are wrong again. She most certainly was a covert agent, within the meaning of the statute. You’re just buying into partisan lies, because you really have no use for real Americans, who put their lives on the line to protect you from your enemies. Your gutless smearing of troops and agents shouild alert any American of the pointlessness of service, which is why enlistment is at rock-bottom. Nobody wants to fight for the likes of you, and you are too cowardly to do it yourselves.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:14 am#204
No Zooey, I actually read about Woody Allen’s heinous acts in the Wall Street Journal.
Don’t want to seem too erudite, but the WSJ is an actual news outlet.
Talk about staying on track ….
September 27th, 2007 at 1:16 amwhen it is all said and done, the fact remains that none of our repuke trolls has the balls or patriotism to put their own lives on the line for the USA. empty words, from empty souls. all talk, no action. cowards to the bone.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:16 amTo all thanks for the back up.
Con10tious I know the truth hurts and it’s better to believe the lies but here is the proof I was speaking about which all the blogs sites have today.
Scoop for Spanish Daily: Transcript of Private 2003 Bush Talk Promising Iraq Invasion
Yes and the Pakistan President was telling the truth he and other world leaders were threaten by the Bush/Cheney team if they didn’t support the illegal invasion. I heard much of the truth from my son and his friends in Iraq as he is in the Military. Yes by the time you learned about the injured troops getting poor treatment in Walter Reed it was old news to Military families. Don’t worry nothing has changed since the headlines as the money is diverted to Iraq still. But I think your right to keep believing the lies the White House is telling. Like the Titanic sank because people could see what was happening but the Captain said nothing was wrong.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:17 amNo Zooey, I actually read about Woody Allen’s heinous acts in the Wall Street Journal.
Don’t want to seem too erudite, but the WSJ is an actual news outlet.
Talk about staying on track ….
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:16 am
Tell us about his arrest and conviction for child abuse, con-1tious.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:17 amTalk about staying on track ….
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:16 am
Uh huh, I believe you read the WSJ. You can’t even read this blog properly, dingleberry.
Got anything else to say about my kids?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:17 amparticularly obnoxious batch of trolls lately – with panties all a-bunch over a newspaper ad, especially in light of the kinds of poison their mouthpieces spew (jealous, I suppose, that their side can’t afford a full page ad in the Little Nickel, let alone the NYT) – why am i still surprised at their aptitude with double, treble, quintuple standards.
guess it’s better they’re wasting their time here, rather than out on the streets trying to diddle our children.
Exley even sounds downright peevish – I would too, were my side populated with the kinds of mouthbreathers and smarmy pricks he takes the field with.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amExley even sounds downright peevish – I would too, were my side populated with the kinds of mouthbreathers and smarmy pricks he takes the field with.
Comment by tombaker — September 27, 2007 @ 1:19 am
well, that’s the problem with losers. They’re losers.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:20 am#208
Ohhhhh, right, are you referring to Fitzgerald’s partisan lies? The ones he told to support his not bringing charges?
And I did serve and I’d be willing to bet dollars to donuts that you never did Lefty otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to assert your lame ass lies as the words of honorable men and women who have or are serving, especially General Petraeus.
When is the left gonna learn to think before they speak?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:22 amI think you righties would be much better occupied trying to clean up your GOP’s filthy, toxic backyard. Put your own house in order, then come to this one with your shrill and zealous judgments. See you in 30 years or so.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:23 am“Valerie wasn’t a covert agent within the meaning of the statute.”
Early on in the investigation Fitzgerald established she was covert under the statute. Read Fitzgerald’s Sentencing Memo for the additional info that was needed to charge them.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:23 amHay Scooter (con10), it’s light’s out, back under the bridge, ya been outed tiny black hearted little troll…..
September 27th, 2007 at 1:24 am#213
Yep, sorry they have such a loser mom that would quote another loser like Woody Allen.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:24 amBe-tray-us,
Be-tray-us,
Be-tray-us.
neener neener neener.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:24 amHow do you know that, if you don’t listen to him? More proof of your lies. You’re weaker than usual tonight.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Let me explain how things work, bud. You listen to a person, THINK about what they say, and then decide if it is worth your time to listen to them further. It’s that THINK part you seem to have missed. That’s why you’ll never move beyond moveon. But it’s alright, buddy. I think the world will muddle along just fine without ya. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:25 am(i can hear the elastic of their panties straining from here)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:26 amYep, sorry they have such a loser mom that would quote another loser like Woody Allen.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:24 am
That’s how much of an imbecile you are — I never quoted Woody Allen. You can’t tell the difference between TRoS and me.
Fool.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:26 amAnd I did serve and I’d be willing to bet dollars to donuts that you never did Lefty otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to assert your lame ass lies as the words of honorable men and women who have or are serving, especially General Petraeus.
When is the left gonna learn to think before they speak?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:22 am
You served nothing but cheeseburgers, you fake. Patraeus is as honorable as Bush, two liars embarking on personal crusades to kill as many people as they can, American or not. i suppose Calley was honorable, and the Abu Ghraib bunch, and the pilots massacreing wedding parties? You never served, or you’d know better. Your pride in the treason of your repig government is proof of your stupidity and nonservice. Fitzgerald was sabotaged by every republican in Washington, constantly, and still got a solid conviction, so, again, it sucks to be you, fact-free and afraid.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:27 amCome on, you guys remember that Woody Allen was screwing his adopted daughter don’t you?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Let’s see if it’s possible to follow your logic here.
I quoted an old Woody Allen line that was quite funny in its day, in an appropriate way.
You say Zooey is quoting a child molster and infer she’s unfit to be a mother because of it. (Clearly you didn’t understand what you had read…)
You then point out Woody was “screwing his adopted daughter” and this somehow gives you license to infer all of us are stupid (”regurgitating pablum”). The adopted daughter was 22 at the time… and they have since married and had children.
I thought what Woody did was pretty stupid too, and the line is still funny, and by quoting it, I certainly didn’t signal approval of Woody’s behavior, no matter what sort of self-serving conclusion you want to come to.
But hey, don’t let all of that get in the way of an irrational, silly bit of total BS on yer part, O Great Original Wit and Thinker! ;-D!!!
Yer deep… no, really ya are!!! Really!!!
September 27th, 2007 at 1:27 amsee ya tomorrow good people.
suck dirt bad people, and have a terrible night’s sleep.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:28 amI think the world will muddle along just fine without ya. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 1:25 am
Obviously not. Your cute approximation of English notwithstanding, MoveOn has the facts, and relates them clearly and concisely. Your willingness to ignore the facts marks you as the one the world could do without, and will, come ‘09. really sucks to be you, but you’re stuck with it.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:29 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 1:27 am
Heh. Old Con10 is not nearly as bright as he believes himself to be.
Goodnight, TRoS. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:31 amWhen is the left gonna learn to think before they speak?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:22 am
“the left”???
When are you going to stop speaking in broad generalizations that have no meaning, and resorting to irrational stereotypes?
BTW, Dingleberry, I quoted the Woody Allen line, not Zooey.
You DO have problems w/ reading comprehension. Geez, yer F-in’ dumb, aren’t ya???
September 27th, 2007 at 1:33 amNo No Nat.
Nothing in the sentencing report about whether or not Valerie was or was not a covert agent, only that Libby couldn’t, at least according to Fitzgerald, couldn’t keep his story straight with regards to outing a covert agent. Ms. Plame may have worked for the CIA but she wasn’t a covert agent or else charges should have been brought against Armitage who as I point out again, confessed!
September 27th, 2007 at 1:33 amGoodnight, TRoS. ;)
Comment by Zooey — September 27, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Nite, Z… uh, you are going to bail me out in the morning, aren’t you?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:34 amYeeeahhh… but poor Li’l Scooter was still convicted on 4 felonies…
September 27th, 2007 at 1:35 am#230
My apologies to Zooey, you in fact did quote a child molester and I feel sorry for your children, if any; but I sincerely hope you don’t have any.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:37 amNothing in the sentencing report about whether or not Valerie was or was not a covert agent
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:33 am
Yes it does. Did you even read it?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:38 am#233
And GW will exonerate him just before he leaves and Rudy takes over!
September 27th, 2007 at 1:38 am#235
Yes Nat … this is real tiresome, but I guess reality hasn’t set in yet, huh?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:39 amNothing in the sentencing report about whether or not Valerie was or was not a covert agent
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:33 am
This is from the judge that threw out Plame’s lawsuit:
“Two additional publications are central to the events leading up to this action. First, an oped written by Mr. Wilson, entitled “What I Didn’t Find in Africa,” appeared in the July 6, 2003, edition of the New York Times. Id. ¶ 19(n). In that op-ed, Mr. Wilson asserted “that he had taken a trip to Niger at the request of the CIA in February 2002 to investigate allegations that Iraq had sought or obtained uranium yellowcake from Niger, . . . that he doubted Iraq had obtained uranium from Niger recently” and “that the Office of the Vice President had been advised of the results of his trip.” Id. This information was also publicly conveyed by Mr. Wilson in the course of his appearance as a guest on the July 6 edition of the television show “Meet the Press,” and in an interview with a reporter that provided the basis for a July 6 Washington Post article about the
Niger trip. Id.
Subsequently, on July 14, 2003, several national newspapers, including the Chicago Sun Times and The Washington Post, published a column by writer Robert Novak that discussed the Niger trip. Id. ¶ 14. Novak’s column stated, in relevant part: “[Joseph] Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson’s wife suggested sending him to Niger . . . .” Id. The publication of Novak’s column revealed to the public, for the first time, Mrs. Wilson’s “previously secret and classified CIA identity.” Id. The disclosure of this information “destroyed her cover as a classified CIA employee.” Id. The Government has conceded that Mrs. Wilson’s identity was classified in July 2003 and that her “cover was blown” when Novak’s column was published. Id. ¶¶ 21, 22.â€
September 27th, 2007 at 1:40 amKerry was a hero then, and remains a war hero. That’s a fact that all of your lies and smears will never change. Some support of the troops, there, bud. You’re a weak, cowardly fool.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 1:10 am
He may very well have been a hero until the time that he started throwing away ribbons and smearing the reputations of good men who served their country. So did you spit on returning vets too. Did you call them baby killers too? Did you discredit the service of all those who served admirably too? Yeah, bud you are quite the patriot, in the sense that the moveon folks are patriots. Bizarro world style. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:41 amYes Nat … this is real tiresome, but I guess reality hasn’t set in yet, huh?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:39 am
Go to the Sentencing Memo and read page 2.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:43 amAnd GW will exonerate him just before he leaves and Rudy takes over!
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Uh, “Onie”? I think you need to learn the difference between “pardon” and “exonerate” before shootin’ yer mouf off anymore, or yer jes’ gonna make an even bigger fool of yerself!
“Exoneration occurs when a person who has been convicted of a crime is later proved to have been innocent of that crime.”
(Psst… Bush can’t do that…)
A pardon is the forgiveness of a crime and the penalty associated with it. It is granted by a sovereign power, such as a monarch or chief of state or a competent church authority.
(Pssst… this is what Bush can do…)
You can thank me later!!! ;-D!!!
September 27th, 2007 at 1:47 amI think the world will muddle along just fine without ya. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 1:25 am
“Obviously not….”
Hide and watch!
” Your cute approximation of English notwithstanding,”
Glad ya liked it. Thanks, bud.
“really sucks to be you”
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 27, 2007 @ 1:29 am
Ya know, you really ought to try to vary your cliches at least a little within the same thread. It’s ok if that’s all you’ve got, try a little harder, ok? ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:47 amNice cut and paste job Nat, but the material you quoted wasn’t in the sentencing report and still doesn’t prove that she was a covert agent. only that the Judge that threw out Plame’s lawsuit, (hmmmm, that notion really supports that she wasn’t an agent doesn’t it, because if she was an agent the suit would have been allowed to proceed, but I digress) used the statements to support his findings, which I reiterate for the cheap seats, where to dismiss Plame’s suit. In order to make his findings he had to consider Ms. Plame’s assertions in a light most favorable to her case. That doesn’t mean they were true!
I love jail house lawyers…
September 27th, 2007 at 1:48 amHey Nat
You work for movement.org you seem to have the cut and paste spin / hack job down pat?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:49 am“Nice cut and paste job Nat, but the material you quoted wasn’t in the sentencing report and still doesn’t prove that she was a covert agent. only that the Judge that threw out Plame’s lawsuit,”
Go read page 2 of sentencing memo and read page 5 and 6 of the ruling that threw out Plame’s lawsuit.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:54 am“only that the Judge that threw out Plame’s lawsuit,”
Did you read the ruling? Do you know why he threw it out (hint: it’s not because she didn’t have a valid claim)?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:56 amComment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Time to scuttle on home, Li’l Onie. Hit the dictionary! Learn what words like “pardon” and “exonerate” really mean! You can do it! ;-D!!!
September 27th, 2007 at 1:57 amLord help me, but I still love the Big Dog! :)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:57 amDid you discredit the service of all those who served admirably too? Yeah, bud you are quite the patriot, in the sense that the moveon folks are patriots. Bizarro world style. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 27, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Ummm… just out of curiosity, where you around during the Vietnam War? (This sort of question can only have a yes or no answer, BTW…)
September 27th, 2007 at 1:59 amUmmm… just out of curiosity, where you around during the Vietnam War? (This sort of question can only have a yes or no answer, BTW…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007
Yes, I was.
September 27th, 2007 at 2:04 amCome on, you guys remember that Woody Allen was screwing his adopted daughter don’t you?
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:05 am
My apologies to Zooey, you in fact did quote a child molester and I feel sorry for your children, if any; but I sincerely hope you don’t have any.
Comment by Con10tious — September 27, 2007 @ 1:37 am
I realize facts mean little to those who want to engage in rightwing spin, but Soon-Yi Previn was Mia Farrow’s adopted daughter–not Woody Allen’s. Furthermore, as far as his being a “child molester” is concerned, Soon-Yi was 22–a legal adult when the relationship began. Moreover, they later married and remain legally wed. From Wikipedia:
September 27th, 2007 at 3:42 am“Soon-Yi Previn or Soon-Yi Farrow (born October 8, 1970) is the adopted Korean daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. She is married to director Woody Allen.”
I really don’t even mean to defend Woody Allen’s relationship with a much younger woman, but facts are facts. She wasn’t a child at the time.
And finally repeat all the rightwing spin you want: even the director of the CIA confirmed that Valerie Plame had been a covert agent until outed by some neoCONs.
Why can’t other dems learn a bit from Bill? Fight back damn it!
September 27th, 2007 at 4:44 am>I didn’t see anyone convicted for outing a CIA agent.
No, but someone was convicted of impeding the investigation, and the prosecutor went out of his way to say that the convicted obscructionist prevented him from determining whether a larger crime was committed…
September 27th, 2007 at 5:52 amWhat I love about him is that he is really passionate about getting them. He just loathes Republican character assassinations – and it shows. Because that’s when his voice usually starts trembling and he begins to sound like an outraged school teacher.
But good for him. Why can’t the other Dems show some outrage like that? When was the last time you heard Kerry or Pelosi or Reid angry like that? With them it’s only “oh, it’s unfortunate that the right honorable gentleman on the other side of the aisle would so and so and so…”
Man, show some anger! Because that’s when people start listening!
September 27th, 2007 at 8:32 amIt is just like moveon’s failure to disagree with a person’s position without smearing a decent person. I’m assuming Hagel is a decent person, which is always dicey when discussing politicians. ;)
Comment by upright left
It is too bad that you think someone who puts their political ambitions ahead of their duty to the military and their troops is a “decent person”. Betrayus is more interested in positioning himself for a future presidential bid that he is in doing the right thing in Iraq. Betrayus has become Bush’s poodle and there is nothing “decent” about that.
September 27th, 2007 at 9:05 amIf only it were all the killing and failed policies that got him mad, instead of a silly ad.
September 27th, 2007 at 9:59 amGod bless the Big Dawg!!! Hear, hear, Bill.
And a heart-felt THANK YOU!
Love,
Annie
September 27th, 2007 at 12:10 pmIt is too bad that you think someone who puts their political ambitions ahead of their duty to the military and their troops is a “decent personâ€. Betrayus is more interested in positioning himself for a future presidential bid that he is in doing the right thing in Iraq. Betrayus has become Bush’s poodle and there is nothing “decent†about that.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 27, 2007 @ 9:05 am
I assume you have some proof of your accusation, because your opinion doesn’t cut it. And simply disagreeing with his assessment isn’t proof. ;)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:25 pmcaptglanstatic-
Wes Clark is a good general – i think there are probably a handful more whose names i don’t know, because no cowardly president has unfairly put them in the middle of a political dispute. Generals are to be rated on their military acumen – not which politicians they agree with. It is worth pointing out, though, that, for the first time ever, the military is now majority D, not majority R.
among the people posting here, you’ll find veterans of every branch, and combatants in every major conflict going back to WWII – the right DOES NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON PATRIOTISM OR SERVICE TO COUNTRY! In fact, congress and the executive branch are packed with RREPUBLICAN CHICKENHAWKS.
your logic is every bit as faulty as the rest of the righties that visit us here. calling a spade a spade IS NOT the same as calling the whole deck of cards a spade. why is that so damned difficult for any of you to understand?
September 27th, 2007 at 1:58 pmbetter myopic than deaf, dumb, and blind.
September 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI find it interesting that no one makes the argument that this is a “free speech” issue. It shouldn’t matter! It shouldn’t be debated in any government hall. No time should be wasted debating the appropriateness of political advertisements since it is the Nature of the Political Beast!
September 27th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWhy aren’t any of our senators or congress people outraged that this is even an issue. It should be cabashed! And they/we should be saying, “This is what makes our country free!”
I think he’s just a “good actor” he remind’s me of B.Bush with those wide open eye’s!Dont let em fool ya he’s gotta be good for Hillary! dont forget,#1 she voted for the war, #2 want’s to leave troops in there and #3 voted to go after Iran! She didnt try to hard for healthcare and is just using that to sit in the white house again and pick up where Bush leaves off!! No one talk’s about Dennis Kucinich he sound’s like the next president to me.
September 27th, 2007 at 2:47 pmits also happening in Chaves’s Nicaragua
Comment by ron — September 27, 2007 @ 12:14 am
STILL hasn’t learned grammar and punctuation…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 27, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Or geography! The president of Nicaragua (Central America) is Daniel Ortega; Chavez is the president of Venezuela (South America). BTW, Venezuela had one of highest rates of growth in the world last year.
September 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pmIs it a “free speech” issue? You BET it is. I have phoned all of my “representatives” and they did their best to point to the far right while I was talking to them. They simply cannot accept that telling people to, in essence, to SHUT UP is infringing heavily on our rights to free speech. That is why THEY need to be shut out at the earliest election available.
Whoever compared Bill with Jimmy Carter is a tad off bubble. Carter has lost all the good he could have done by publishing the screed about Israel being an Apartheid state. If Israel is Apartheid, so is the United States, and we certainly are NOT Apartheid in any sense of the word.
Bill called it like it is: mock shock. Had General Pat…sorry my mind just clicked a gear…told the turth he would have been fired. I believe that he knows the truth, but with Butcher Bush at the helm you do NOT say the truth or you will be fired.
I am not a Christian but Jesus was a liberal; one might say a flaming liberal. Ghandi once said, “I like your Jesus, I do not like his followers, they are so unlike Jesus.”
Butcher Bush said that any country that supports terrorism is against us. We should have attacked the country that sent the individuals who detroyed the twin towers: Saudi Arabia. Instead, the Butcher has innocent blood dripping from his hands. I believe his legacy will be insanity when he realizes at last how many innocent men, women, and children’s blood is on his hands.
Time will tell but he will spend the rest of his life in a prison of his own making.
September 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe big difference is that my “prejudice” doesn’t start pretend wars.
September 27th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI didn’t notice if anyone had corrected this yet but, as far as I can tell, the house resolution hasn’t even been voted on yet:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HE00644:@@@L&summ2=m&#status
It was simply referred to committee with 33 sponsors. I didn’t check to see if there were any Dems on the list.
That doesn’t change anything about other voting patterns that everyone else has pointed out. I choke almost every time Diane Feinstein votes. I just wish we’d get some kind of real opposition here in California to her machine. She routinely wins by landslides. Painful!
September 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmIt is upsetting to see Ms. Clinton to go along with a looser and one of the imminent supporters of the war in Iraq (Lieberman) – in trying to make it easier for Bush administration to prepare uninformed audience for yet another possible and far bloodier conflict. All because Iran says what most Americans want: end the war in Iraq, has mastered nuclear technology on its own and wants to use it for peaceful purposes according to international guideline, or perhaps getting some of those who buy politicians in DC upset over its concerns for neglected Palestinians!
September 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThe core theme here is the “bait and switch” tactic. Republicans can divert the public’s attention from the REAL issues of an illegal and unwinnable war and the horrendous corruption associated with it, not to mention all the lies that got us into it and keep us there.
The longer we stay, the more profit the movers and shakers of our current administration will make. This war is NOT about the administration’s publicly stated principles – it’s about looting the US Treasury for war profiteers. Rolling Stone magazine published an article in the August 23 issue called “The Great Iraq Swindle” which gives facts and figures supporting this. You can read it here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle
September 27th, 2007 at 4:22 pmWoo, Hoo, Bill!
Love ya, guy!!
September 27th, 2007 at 4:35 pmIt is upsetting to see Ms. Clinton to go along with a looser and one of the imminent supporters of the war in Iraq (Lieberman)
Comment by sayromloo — September 27, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
And by doing so, she has become the frontrunner in the Democratic field, the others are just trying to play catch up. Does that tell you something about current American politics?
September 27th, 2007 at 5:00 pmGod I LOVE this man!
Would be thrilled to pieces to see him occupying the White House again.
September 27th, 2007 at 5:31 pmMad over an ad, when We went to war over a lie…..gimme a damn break
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Bronze Star w V, and Purple Heart Recipient
Kerry was in Vietnam, Max Cleeland was in Vietnam, Bush and Cheney were home hiding out.
So spare me with this faux outrage
Comment by Tired Of Fighting — September 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
I am the newbie here… I beg that you please forgive my short comings upfront .
After reading the entire blogsphere here… TIRED of FIGHTING caught my attention the most and encouraged me to rise to stand and blog.
While we as bloggers and citizens, busily fling inuendos and poo… the mockery and debauchery of this current administration continues (not to mention how many lost their life while just in this time of blog). It is our actions that speak most highly and eloquently of our intentions… not our words, whether written or spoken. I believe Mr. Clinton understands that. Now, as citizens of a country that is suppose to believe in INTEGRITY… it will only be through our combined actions as voters to bring in a new president and administration that is not only willing to listen to American citizens (free-speech) but more to the point, of acting in the best interest of this nation as a whole, in a fashion that brings dignity and integrity back to the forefront of our young nation’s existence. That is the message I got from TIRED OF FIGHTING… “KILLING BEGETS MORE KILLING and MUDSLINGING BEGETS MORE MUDSLINGING”.
For that my hat is off and I truly bow to TIRED OF FIGHTING’s perspective on this blog. Although I don’t have the answer to solve our political delema, I do know that if we are not true to the mission of ending this war and the scharade of a self-imposed heroic president and administration, along with back pedallers that just want a title with no intention of bearing truthful redeming qualities… then even our great-great grandchildren will bear the reprecussions of our lack of spine and lack of actions in the next election. I can only say that I am committed to do the very best I can at voting and voicing to bring our soldiers home… to give resources back to the Iraqis that America has been trying to usurp… and put our concerns of our citizens (health, education, general welfare and economic status of our country) back on track.
No matter what our personal feelings are… it is our combined effort that will bring about the POSITIVE change we are ALL hoping, praying, requesting and striving for. All though Bush’s statement of “GOD BLESS AMERICA” was used to rally citizens from a patriotic view point… my opinion is that until the next president says “GOD BLESS THIS OCEANPLANET” and works to find peace and brings integrity back to our nation’s hearth and heart… then we are doomed to repeat history, over and over again, until there is nothing left of our EARTH or America. That is our only hope… that no matter what political side you are on… it will take a whopping majority of American citizens to bring our troops home… and make peace… for the rest of the world to see America’s ambitions are not for the Saudi’s good graces… but more for correcting a political blunder that should never have happened.
Wishing many blessings for those that truly want to MAKE PEACE instead of WAR… and are willing to put their actions where their words are… I believe MOVEON and Mr. Clinton are trying to head in the right direction… it is up to us to quit the bickering and be part of the solution in one way or another.
Yours truly,
September 27th, 2007 at 5:43 pmjust a humble, Rumble doll
Agree with Veritas. I just went went to CA Supervisor of Elections site and will be submitting the paperwork to change my party affiliation from Democrat to Independent. Maybe we can scare the “politics as usual” crowd into listening to the “power of the people.”
the web address in CA is http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections
September 27th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI hope President Clinton was also referring to the Democrats in Congress who voted for the anti-MoveOn resolution when ripping the right wing. By now, I pretty much consider the Democratic Party as part of the right wing.
September 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pmThanks for the link Azor…
the web address in CA is http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections
I just changed my party affiliation too! Damn the Dems! They sure as HELL don’t represent ME anymore.
Thanks for making it easy to act on my will.
September 27th, 2007 at 6:18 pmAnd by doing so, she has become the frontrunner in the Democratic field, the others are just trying to play catch up. Does that tell you something about current American politics?
Comment by foreyes — September 27, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
I hope that it does not sound like these 2 parities share the common agenda of staying in Iraq with the their eyes on Iraqi oil resources, while defense contractors and oil men are ripping off the American resources.
September 27th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIn my experience in what I have lived through and seen from JFK being assinated and the Vietnam War, Nixon, Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr, I think all of you people need to take a step back and think what is the right thing for this country. We have only experienced progress for the people through a democratic presidency and will only continue to do so with a democratic president. He represents “the people” we are the goverment and we elect the officials to represent we the people. Have people become so ignorant to the fact that there is a way to change what is happening to this country? Read, educate yourselves and stop listening to the media. Have a mind of your own……………Republicans have only one thing in mind, their pockets and the untimate goal of the GOD almighty dollar for personal gain. Get back to basics, take the power back and live the democratic belief on what this country was born of, FREEDOM, vote for the canidate that represents the people not himself…………………..as for the YAAHOOS in this counry God will get ya and hold you accountalbe for such poor choices and ill wishes……………………………………Keep killing our soldiers who are dying for what? OIL………………….not 9/11 let’s get real here are we all in denial………………………..smarten up US and do your self a favor read some history……………………………..
September 27th, 2007 at 7:46 pmThe TOP BRASS at MacDill AFB here in Tampa Bay called Petraeus “an ass-kissing chicken shit”.- That is all I need to know. Not that I didn’t figure he was carrying water for Dubya. How many Generals has Bush gone thru now? Sad that he is able to keep finding ass-kissing chicken shits in the service. Who are they ‘SERVING’ anyway? We must take back our Country before Bush and the boys TOTALLY destroy it.
September 27th, 2007 at 8:02 pmParty affiliation or registration (both Dem & Rep) will get you a opportunity to vote in primaries in states like Arizona. If you’re a registered independant you can’t. In this day and age when both major parties are not representative of the populace as a whole party affiliation means little. I have never voted the party line and only give money to who and what I believe in. Until the two party strangle hold is broken very little will change in this country.
Peoples attitudes have to change also. Everyone of voting age needs to get involved in learning the issues of the day. One has to read Newspapers and Books and listen to what comes over the airways, both TV and Radio. Most people today get there news from one source (Hannity & Limbaugh for instance) and don’t get a balanced perspective. If more people had put in the effort to do this the last two elections (Presidential) wouldn’t have turned out the way they did and Mr. Clinton wouldn’t have had to make the statements that he did on the Anderson Cooper 360 show.
We have only ourselves to blame for the situation we are in. The question becomes, Are we going to do anything about it?
September 27th, 2007 at 8:15 pmBill made this Country better, richer, and functional. It’s a tragedy seeing Bush and the Gang destroying the Country with a very costly, unjustified war, corruption, lies, and bad decisions.
September 27th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWill we ever regain our dignity after this tragedy? I wonder if America will ever recover from this DISASTER!
G. Tichy
Thank god someone is saying something on our behalf. Just tell it like it is…
September 27th, 2007 at 9:19 pmMy Rant!
“He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. ” – Thomas Paine
Ok, OK let me get this straight. We are in Iraq to promote freedom, I think? That would include the right to say what one thinks or feels – apparently not! Censorship is alive and well and living in Amerika! Or as one of our of the creators of this countries constitution, Thomas Payne once said:
“These are the times that try men’s souls…” They certainly do!
Let’s face it folks we live in a hypocrisy not a democracy! Thank you Tired of Fighting for your comments, they were righteous and true and came form the heart, purple or not. Men like this are the true heroes, these are the backbone of America. This is who I admire, not general BETRAY us. Shout it loud people, scream it, beat the drum of change.
I think it’s time that the impotent, dull, bureaucratic, ignorant, self righteous, self important, ineffectual, stupid cabal known as Congress and the Senate strip down naked and take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. I know a ghastly sight at best. Oh what the heck, throw in the idiots in the supreme court as well who gave this country away in the year 2000 when the people of this country cast almost 1,000,000 more popular votes for Gore then the existing shrubbery who now sits rooted in the white house in trenched in a policy that smells suspiciously like – well bull shit! Oh, what are we supposed to do, bow to the will of the people. We know what they want, we know what they need! Well, no they don’t. We know what we want and what we need and it’s not what we’ve got right now!
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire
A little food for thought we should all ponder, yes you too Deomrats and Repuppets! How dare you criticise anyone when the blood of over 3,500 innocent men and women soil your hands. And, tell me, have we now killed more Iraqi’s then Saddam Hussein ever did. Does that mean we’ll have to hang the shrubbery to atone for our sins? Oh, I forgot, we’re the good guys. Why is that I might ask?
“How much evil does it take to do good?” – Robert McNamara, “The Fog of War”
Well I guess we’ve just lost the spirit and the common sense that made this once a great country. I applaud “Tired of fighting’s” comments, he’s got it right. Anybody remember Vietnam? The domino theory, if we leave all of South East Asia will go communist. Oh, oh, and now Vietnam is our number one trading partner in South East Asia. So much for that theory.
Yes, the communist Bogey man, we do need our bogeymen and we’ve got a good one now that we’ll never catch, perhaps because we don’t want too, because lets face it, Osama is even a better Bogey man then Saddam. Beside, Saddam’s dead and we no longer need him. We took his country and used him as a buffer against Iran. Duh! did we forget that our good friend Saddam fought against that other evil empire Iran, whose baaaaaak, and we supplied him with arms. Oh, that, come on folks, we needed him then, and then we needed his oil. Hello! Let’s not fool ourselves.
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” – George Santayana:
Isn’t that the truth? Have we been here before? Am I getting a massive Deja vu here? I marvel at the wonderful slight of hand that is created over stupid stuff. Anything but deal with the real issues.
THEY HAVE STOLEN OUR COUNTRY!
THEY LIED TO US AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!
Think wizard of oz folks, pull back the curtain and behind it is a tiny little arrogant man, strutting around, spouting silly statements, “Mission accomplished”! that will come back and bite him in the ass.
So thank you, thank, thank you Move on.org for staying “on purpose”: – “staying the course…” This country was built on revolution. We are a strong resilient people and we will win this fight. Why can’t we get a vote of 370 to 79 to end the WAR – from our silly little self involved, talking heads spouting the same old tired rhetoric we’ve heard way too many times… Who among you has the courage, the fortitude, the intelligence and oh god, the common sense to stand up and be counted, to speak the truth, to tell it like it is, to do the right thing! Anyone….anyone at all?
“You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem.”
– Eldridge Cleaver
Which are you?
September 28th, 2007 at 2:08 amTHIS IS CLINTON AT HIS BEST!!!! Thank God for presidents like himself. Bush and the rest of the republicans in this country who support him can go somewhere. It is groups like MoveOn.com that help educate the Amerian people who tend to be uneducated about the situations our country is involved in. If we search long and hard enough we will get answers. That is what GOP is scared of..we need to scare them..people educate yourself, join MoveOn.com and other groups like it and begin to make a difference..pass the word on and sooner or later (hopefully sooner)the youth in our nation (my generation) will be eduacated enough not to make the same mistakes that those did who put an idiot like Bush in the presidential seat. LET’S NEVER MAKE THAT SAME MISTAKE AGAIN!!!!! I ask for the youth, the elderly, the people in the middle, I am asking for EVERYONE IN THE WORLD…..PLEASE LET US FIX THIS BY EDUCATING OURSELVES AND OTHERS.
We started out in this war to get rid of weapons of mass destruction — they were never found. Then the purpose changed to take Sadam out of power — he was hung and killed a long time ago. Now we are in the war to bring Iraq freedom — NEWSFLASH: THEY DONT WANT US THERE..BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!! THEY ARE FIGHTING TO THE DEATH, KILLING THEMSELVES AND CHILDREN TO PROVE THAT THEY HATE US. ANYTIME I SIT DOWN AND GET AN EMAIL FROM A FRIEND WHO IS ALSO 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD AND THERE IS A LINK TO WATCH A VIDEO OF A YOUNG IRAQI BOY SCREAMING INTO THE MIC IN FRONT OF HIM THAT “AMERICANS ARE SCUM THEY ARE THE ROOT OF EVIL AND SHOULD ALL DIE” WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME, END THIS WAR, AND GET BUSH OUT OF OFFICE!!!
It is sad to think that I, whom I would like you to know am only 18 years old, have more education than the idiots who put Bush where he is. It is sickening to know that Bush has screwed up our nation so bad that it is going to take probably until I die to fix what he has done. Please help me in helping the children that i hope to have one day not live with the same crap I deal with.
PLEASE SAVE AMERICA!!!!
September 28th, 2007 at 3:22 amThanks alstoa – being the father of two sons, a 19 year old and a 17 year old I hear ya! Why is it that the young men and women of today have more common sense then the idiots in the white house – I did the 60’s, Nam, protests, civil rights…. – it’s your turn guys, you have new challenges, a new war, global warming, water shortages… just the beginning! But first, take back your country!
common_sense
September 28th, 2007 at 4:00 amThis is how the president of the USA and his fellow republicans stand in front of a camera and show to the american people and the rest of the world just how petty they are. Their nothing but a bunch of war mongers, and stoop as low as you can go, with their lies and deception, to get what they want. Who would think the president of the USA would act like a cry baby, on national tv, and condem the same type of tactics that he and his fellow republicans are guilty of, and have perfected it to make it just part of duing buisness. He and the rest of the gop have been doing the same and a lot worse since watergate. The watergate crew were cubscouts compared to this crew.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:49 amBill is at his best as with most past presidents he has realized that he was used by the CFR and the world banking organizations to put you and me into poverty and to take away our right and ability to fight. The patriot act is by far the worst thing that has ever happened. Bill wont strait out condem or name names of those who lorded over him while he was president, Because he wants to live.
Our Current President is a Domestic enemy to the american way of life. His family has been in the pockets and on the council of the most sinister organisation to ever settle on this earth. His families history includes supporting the germans during world war II via sales of needed Fuel for the lufwafa.
Also look into the history of thier actions and connections to the binladen family including Osama via the Carlyle Group.
How this plain sight enemy became the president is a complete farce. His Coruptors paid for his seat and sold it to the american public. Thanks to that one man we are now the most hated country in the world. All the hard work done by presdent Regan undone as Russia has closed its borders and desolved its democratic government has start a building its arms and playing advocate to Cold war stance against america with China not far behind. If he pushes and gains support to attack Iran we will be the focus of world war III the world vs America. Hint We cannot win there unfourtunatley is not enough of us to even beat China. Not to mention that the UN has started to move against us and has passed quiet talks of sanctions against us and the revocation of our perminant membership. We have turned into the tirrents!!!
If you think you are free think again. The patriot act is nothing more than the gestopo. You can be arrested detained and have all your posetions taken without any right to council or even a right to know what the charges are. Be prepared to defend your rights with a gun against the current gestopo in charge here. The SS is comming and president Bush has laid the ground work to make sure we cant fight back.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:51 pmI am writing a comment not for attention, but I want to be a person who will be counted. I will be a number, but on the right side of where my number needs to be counted. People of the United States of America! Take back this country with the power vested in you by our founding fathers! Vote with your conscience, not your self interest! Take back this government “of the people, by the people, for the people.” Let us once again let our flag wave for “the land of the free and the home of the brave!”. There was a time when the whole world loved the United States and wanted to move here. It was a time when the American personality was an outspoken honest voice that spoke for generosity, mutual respect, kindness and intelligence. Yes, I know, every situation is complicated, but truth, honesty and righteous purpose never change under any circumstances.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAs much as I hate to say it there is no way a Democrat will win the white house in 2008. Hillary is just to much of a flip flopping idiot. If she would just stick with her true feelings on an issue she may be alright. Unfortunatly nobody knows what those feelings are because she changes them every time there’s a new pole that differs from her previous answer to a question. One year ago she said she’d torture a terrorist to save the day. Now she says no and learns that her husband said he would if he was in that situation. The reason she said no is because she’s feeling pressure from the moveon and mediamatters idiots. I truly believe that moveon and mediamaters have been taken over buy conservatives. Every day mediamatters is putting false out of context stories about conservative commentaters that are being picked up by everyone but foxnews and being told as the truth. If the stories were true it’d be fine but they’re not and it’s making our left leaning media and our democratic leaders look like idiots. Why lie when we don’t need to. Republican’s are in real trouble and we keep giving them to many chances to get power back.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:49 amI am so sick of the Bush BS. Attack and spread lies about anyone who will expose Bush for what he is. Remember Bush’s base is the right wing centered around the religious right. It’s the same group of hypocrites that raced tripping over themselves to Bush when he said “I have Jesus in my heart”. Just once we need to look at the actions of Bush and not what he says(pretends). Before 9/11 Bush’s greatest action was a huge tax break for the richest among us. Now I ask you was that action “of Christ or the opposite of Christ”? Then comes 9/11 and Bush’s action was to lie to start a war. Again I ask was that action “of Christ or the opposite of Christ”? Look at Bush a little closer and you will find many, many more examples. The book of Matthew warns that many shall come in his name and many shall be deceived. Bush is the opposite of Christ and many have been deceived!
October 4th, 2007 at 12:26 am