O’Reilly made the worst of his “commenting” (”I couldn’t believe….”) BEFORE any discussion with Juan Williams, i.e., BEFORE the Williams book hawking segment. i.e., BEFORE Williams came on.

secondly, there is NO CONTEXT for making such asinine and racist statements. whether O’Reilly is a racist or not, the comments are, soooo.

there is nothing defensible by him or anyone else here.

lastly, of any of those, particularly Media Matters, he is lashing out against to spread his administration fronting left-wing conspiracy FUD and hate, show me PLEASE where any of those called him a RACIST?

do some research before you believe it is THAT easy; unless you have done your homework you only THINK it’s easy, i.e., did any of you listen to the tape, repeated ad nauseam.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 26, 2007 @ 11:53 am

Of course it didn’t. He was saying black people are no longer blindly following the Dems because they discovered that too many Dems were content with status quo for blacks, keeping them forever beholden to the party and not raising their standard of living. He was pointing out that rappers and their vile songs are not representative of the average black person. Judging from rappers, one would think that most all black people are nasty, hateful, foul mouthed, sex crazed hoodlums. O’Reilly was pointing out the harm that rappers do to black people.

He was in a discussion with Al Sharpton about the damage that the rap and hip hop artists do to young black kids as well as causing stereotypes in whites. Instilling black youth with the perception that the things in rap videos and MTV culture is how they are supposed to act. In fact, Al brought it up. He wasn’t saying he expected people in Sylvia’s to be different, he said it wasn’t like the rappers portray. He was actually implying that it is an ignorant opinion to have.

As much as I hate him. He is wrong 99.9% of the time, if I ignore the fact that he made these statements in a natural discussion with a black leader on race issues, then I am no better than the lying scum I can’t stand. If we look at this in reverse and Bill O was slamming someone for the same quote, TP and most here would be defending whoever said it. It is similar to when Kerry “implied” (he didn’t really) that the military was dumb and couldn’t do anything else.

Comment by missmolly — September 26, 2007 @ 2:19 pm

Are you suggesting that when two black people are talking and the third person they are talking about is white that the third person is not described as “white?” If this is your suggestion, I think you are incorrect.

Also, as clarification, are you saying white people tend to divide categorize people into two groups: people and black people? Or are you saying white people categorize people into many groups (such as black, hispanic, asian, homosexual, etc.)

I would also note it is simple human nature for people to classify and categorize things, such as people, plants, and animals. You seem to suggest that when white people categorize someone, they are being racist. Yet, my personal experience in the world would indicate that everyone does this: the Japanese and Chinese tend to not like each other very much (at no fault of the white man) and many South Americans consider Central Americans to be inferior (while most Americans couldn’t tell the difference). I could list hundreds of references where non-white people stereotype other non-white people for whatever reason and I am sure they use their own terminology when speaking.
I could further note you indicate white people inject race into a conversation when its not neccessary. I could take this to a logical (or illogical) extreme and say this about gender as well. Would you object to that? When speaking to another person about a third person should I refrain from using gender specific pronouns:

“Betty did a great job on that file”
“Yes, she is a great employee”

You will admit gender specific pronouns are clearly unneccessary to the subject of the sentence. I will admit this a bit extreme, however, the point I am making is that simply because people classify and categorize does not make them racist (or in this case – sexist)

Good grief. Billo needs to shut the fleck up.

Well, I do expect to not hear a white person use the word “folk” like that.

That is too funny! Billo is always “Looking out for the folks” He uses that term pretty much on a daily basis.

As an example, I reference Carlos Mencia. His humor is clearly based upon race and racial stereotypes, but I would not consider him a racist by any means.

Comment by dim wit — September 26, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

I don’t blame you for disagreeing with me if what you think I said was a condemnation of race discussion. But that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. Acknowledging differences in race (REAL differences, not just perceived ones) and discussing them isn’t racist (unless the discussion perpetuates negative and erroneous stereotypes, of course). Engaging in honest discussion about race isn’t racist.

No, the point I made was the habit we have of injecting race into the story when it’s COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. My example was two white people talking about a third person unknown to the listening white person. If that person is white, no mention of color is ever made. If that person is black, it’s usually mentioned. Why is this? And yes, I believe that dividing humanity into groups of “people” and “black people” is racist.

BTW — I’ve seen Carlos Mencia on Comedy Central. I don’t mind his skewering race stereotypes, as they deserve to be made fun of. I just find the rest of his humor rather vulgar.

Again, watch Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled” if you don’t get what I’m saying.

Well, I do expect to not hear a white person use the word “folk” like that.

And Bill O has interviewed rappers, if that bit of info brings anything to this discussion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oLGjhpY9jM

From their introductions alone, it’s no wonder Bill O has a bad view of rappers. When they first appear on camera, Cam’ron does a little thug side-to-side movement, he doesn’t even sit up in his chair or try to look remotely professional (sports jersey? C’mon!) and Damon Dash has to flash the hand sign for his label, hat brought down making it hard for us to look into his eyes.

Already it doesn’t look like these guys know how to defend their culture to the old white people watching this stupid show.

And then the loud taunting, “You maaaad, you maaaad!” Oh yeah, THAT makes them sound intelligent.

What I get from this story is one GIANT circle of idiots.

An idiot white man made an idiot judgement because of his exposure to so many idiot black people who are allowed and promoted by idiot white record executives to promote the dangerous idiot gangster lifestyle… a lifestyle that was in part created by the idiot white man who enslaved them so long ago, and only just gave blacks equal rights a couple decades ago, but even to this day most are treated unfairly by the idiots in power. But even with so many GOOD black people trying to help, empower, and encourage good, proud black people, you still have these idiot black gangsta rappers that promote the bad side.

Cam’ron says he’s a reporter, reporting on what he sees on his streets. He’s a product of his environment. I don’t know why he doesn’t take the high road and instead of just “reporting” the violence (which I believe is a word he uses to disguise the real word that describes what he’s doing: PROMOTING). Just look at the many heated arguments Cam’ron has gotten into over the years. He doesn’t seem to handle issues very well.

This is a long tangent, I’m sorry. I just one to point out that Bill O’s guests in the video clip represent just a FRACTION of what’s out there, and weather or not Bill said what he said to deliberately be offensive, or because he was just another idiot white man, there is INDEED some truth to the statement. Just as it’s true that there are a great deal of idiot white people out there.

Perhaps what Bill O said didn’t need to be spoken, since the same can be said for his race. But it doesn’t make his statement false.

Like his freaky “compassionate” conservatives.

What a loser

In this instance, I feel O’reilly’s comments are probably more ignorant than blatently racist.

I also have to disagree with missmolly’s assertion of “unconscious racism.” People have become overly sensative to many race issues and many people are afraid to say anything which may be perceived as “racist” yet the fact remains that differences do exist and simply speaking about or acknowledging those differences doesn’t make you a prejudiced or racist.
As an example, I reference Carlos Mencia. His humor is clearly based upon race and racial stereotypes, but I would not consider him a racist by any means.

Toliver, a Bill O. apologist is on board.
A more appropriate name would be Trolliver. lol

∞

Nothing new from the Falafel King. Still ignorant as usual. Just pure entertainment on blogsphere. And he lives in New York to make that idiot remark? LOL! Pass the popcorn please…

Because they are racists.

Poor Bill O’Racist.

-GSD

Is it considered racist to spout “Hey, I have friends that are (insert ethnicity here)?

Because I believe it is, just as what O’Reilly had said!

Right…. because he’s an ignorant racist pig.