Comments on: Limbaugh: pro-withdrawal troops are ‘phony soldiers.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:34:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Moho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4096867 Moho Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:36:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4096867 I think it would help the discussion if the entire transcript were posted or played. Media Matters has done it, to thier credit. The remark was made as a lead-in to a story about a specific phony soldier whom Mr. Limaugh goes on to relate. It's a very damning story which did a lot of damage to our country and our military. I would hope that rather than just make this a moment to take pot shots at a radio host who brought this matter to light - not done anywhere else as far as I can see - why not address this serious issue of certain soldiers who do lie and who do tell "whoppers" such as this soldier did; lies that are then spread throughout the world and specifically, throughout the Middle East without any chance of them being recanted when the truth becomes known. I think it would help the discussion if the entire transcript were posted or played. Media Matters has done it, to thier credit. The remark was made as a lead-in to a story about a specific phony soldier whom Mr. Limaugh goes on to relate. It’s a very damning story which did a lot of damage to our country and our military. I would hope that rather than just make this a moment to take pot shots at a radio host who brought this matter to light – not done anywhere else as far as I can see – why not address this serious issue of certain soldiers who do lie and who do tell “whoppers” such as this soldier did; lies that are then spread throughout the world and specifically, throughout the Middle East without any chance of them being recanted when the truth becomes known.

]]> By: pitman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4096077 pitman Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:53:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4096077 Doesn't matter if that fat piece of scum criticizes 1 or a million soldiers. He's a Godamn coward and hypocrite for not serving during Vietnam. His has no spine to berate any military personnel. Doesn’t matter if that fat piece of scum criticizes 1 or a million soldiers. He’s a Godamn coward and hypocrite for not serving during Vietnam. His has no spine to berate any military personnel.

]]> By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4095054 Jericho Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:21:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4095054 Comon Rush, there's no need to be a chickenhawk here....go serve in the funking military you're so damned proud of, I'm sure they're willing to recruit your overweight but straight-to-the-bone, supertrooper-ass. Go sacrifice, Rush, I'm sure you'd be proud of yourself. Maybe you'll even scare away Al-Qaïda! Aren't you willing to sacrifice for America? Aren't you going to fight in this cultural war? Or do you think Al-Qaïda's at home listening to your dumb radioshow everyday?! I don't think so, if you want to change the hearts and minds of these anti-Americans, you better visit Baghdad like a proper soldier, WITHOUT ARMOR, mkay?! Comon Rush, there’s no need to be a chickenhawk here….go serve in the funking military you’re so damned proud of, I’m sure they’re willing to recruit your overweight but straight-to-the-bone, supertrooper-ass. Go sacrifice, Rush, I’m sure you’d be proud of yourself. Maybe you’ll even scare away Al-Qaïda! Aren’t you willing to sacrifice for America? Aren’t you going to fight in this cultural war? Or do you think Al-Qaïda’s at home listening to your dumb radioshow everyday?! I don’t think so, if you want to change the hearts and minds of these anti-Americans, you better visit Baghdad like a proper soldier, WITHOUT ARMOR, mkay?!

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4095014 Chocolate Jesus Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:29:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4095014 >Any time EITHER of you want to discuss this…. >you now know where I work. Since your a republican, I'm going to guess thats an invitation to have gay sex? especially since that last bit about "heat exchange" lol! http://www.perkinswill.com/locations/cities/dallas.aspx hey, small world.. I live in fort worth.. I'm not the fighting type, but if you want to play a friendly game of lazer tag, hit me up in some other thread... i probably wont be reading this one much longer... its getting a bit dull >Any time EITHER of you want to discuss this….
>you now know where I work.

Since your a republican, I’m going to guess thats an invitation to have gay sex? especially since that last bit about “heat exchange” lol!

http://www.perkinswill.com/locations/cities/dallas.aspx

hey, small world.. I live in fort worth.. I’m not the fighting type, but if you want to play a friendly game of lazer tag, hit me up in some other thread… i probably wont be reading this one much longer… its getting a bit dull

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4094970 Keith Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:45:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094970 A few days ago, Bartlebee kept catigating me because I wouldn't bow down to what a great convert Alan Greenspan was------and now he is saying that he will vote for any third party before the Democrats!! That's what got W in office in the first place! That and the voting machines. A few days ago, Bartlebee kept catigating me because I wouldn’t bow down to what a great convert Alan Greenspan was——and now he is saying that he will vote for any third party before the Democrats!!

That’s what got W in office in the first place!

That and the voting machines.

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4094700 DanCaveman Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:16:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094700 <blockquote><em>So was Rush referring to the “phony” soldier from Chicago or the “real” soldier from Washington? If the “Mike” from Chicago was a real former soldier, why didn’t he identify himself as such at the beginning of the call? Comment by Tracy1 — September 27, 2007 @ 7:07 pm</em></blockquote> Ok Tracy1 -- We had a civil discussion before (where you still refused to look at the facts, but at least it was civil), but this argument is ridiculous. First, it is irrelevant if the first caller was a veteran or not. The second caller generically referred to ANY VETERAN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE OCCUPATION. In response, Rush said "Phony Soldiers" - plural and generic, not "like this phony soldier", or "like our last caller". He called everyone who fought, is fighting, or gave their lives for this country that spoke up (2 dead and one seriously wounded soldier from 82nd Airborne comes to mind), a "phony soldier". Second, not all veterans use the fact that they are a veteran as talking point unless it is challenged. Many try to use the facts and logical arguments instead of military service because it should have no bearing on most political arguments (although it usually does). In fact, many times it feels disingenuous. If you remember, I didn't mention it in our last discussion until you accused me of "never being in the military or having any military experience." In any context, Rush is out of line and he disgusts me.

So was Rush referring to the “phony” soldier from Chicago or the “real” soldier from Washington? If the “Mike” from Chicago was a real former soldier, why didn’t he identify himself as such at the beginning of the call?

Comment by Tracy1 — September 27, 2007 @ 7:07 pm

Ok Tracy1 –

We had a civil discussion before (where you still refused to look at the facts, but at least it was civil), but this argument is ridiculous.

First, it is irrelevant if the first caller was a veteran or not. The second caller generically referred to ANY VETERAN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE OCCUPATION. In response, Rush said “Phony Soldiers” – plural and generic, not “like this phony soldier”, or “like our last caller”. He called everyone who fought, is fighting, or gave their lives for this country that spoke up (2 dead and one seriously wounded soldier from 82nd Airborne comes to mind), a “phony soldier”.

Second, not all veterans use the fact that they are a veteran as talking point unless it is challenged. Many try to use the facts and logical arguments instead of military service because it should have no bearing on most political arguments (although it usually does). In fact, many times it feels disingenuous.

If you remember, I didn’t mention it in our last discussion until you accused me of “never being in the military or having any military experience.” In any context, Rush is out of line and he disgusts me.

]]> By: pitman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4094555 pitman Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:00:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094555 Bartlebee - challenged me not challenged myself. Myself, the most misused word in the English language. Bartlebee – challenged me not challenged myself. Myself, the most misused word in the English language.

]]> By: pitman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-4/#comment-4094543 pitman Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:46:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094543 What is it about right wing Chickenhawks that talk a big game, but, when their country calls they have some sort of problem relating to their proctologist. Limbaugh has a cyst and his right wing buddy and suck ass guitarist Ted Nugent boasts of urinating and defecating in his pants for an entire week. Now they both wrap themselves in the flag, when in reality they're both wrapped in shit paper. What is it about right wing Chickenhawks that talk a big game, but, when their country calls they have some sort of problem relating to their proctologist. Limbaugh has a cyst and his right wing buddy and suck ass guitarist Ted Nugent boasts of urinating and defecating in his pants for an entire week. Now they both wrap themselves in the flag, when in reality they’re both wrapped in shit paper.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094503 tombaker Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:19:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094503 fight, you crazy bastards, fight like hell!!!! (I'm only stoked about it 'cause I know Lefties always win) work the body, Bartlebee....watch out for the cheap shots.....!!! fight, you crazy bastards, fight like hell!!!!

(I’m only stoked about it ’cause I know Lefties always win)

work the body, Bartlebee….watch out for the cheap shots…..!!!

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094495 tombaker Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:13:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094495 geez, i just love this stuff you guys, but you've got to give me a break at 8 pacific time so i can watch "Earl", k? ....and there's the bell for the third round!! geez, i just love this stuff you guys, but you’ve got to give me a break at 8 pacific time so i can watch “Earl”, k?

….and there’s the bell for the third round!!

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094437 tombaker Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:25:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094437 buckle up folks - you're about to witness a feud like the hatfields and mccoys never imagined. in this corner, tough-as-nails, won't-take-it-any-more lefty, Bartle-bee!!!! in the other corner, the challenger, weighing about as much as a straw man, ..... rightwing ditto-troll, tracy1.... low blows and biting are allowed. DING! buckle up folks – you’re about to witness a feud like the hatfields and mccoys never imagined.

in this corner, tough-as-nails, won’t-take-it-any-more lefty, Bartle-bee!!!!

in the other corner, the challenger, weighing about as much as a straw man, ….. rightwing ditto-troll, tracy1….

low blows and biting are allowed.

DING!

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094419 gummitch Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:02:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094419 <em>Rush is Ann in a suit. Comment by Xisithrus — September 27, 2007 @ 5:36 pm</em> Better that than Rush in a little black dress. Rush is Ann in a suit.

Comment by Xisithrus — September 27, 2007 @ 5:36 pm

Better that than Rush in a little black dress.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094418 tombaker Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:02:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094418 99 - whatever - you go out there and get all "Don Quixote" on it then. I'll be scanning the headlines for news of your success. 99 – whatever – you go out there and get all “Don Quixote” on it then. I’ll be scanning the headlines for news of your success.

]]> By: drago http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094405 drago Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:45:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094405 How do you spell pathetic, drug-addicted, hypocrite? <strong>L-I-M-B-A-U-G-H</strong> How do you spell pathetic, drug-addicted, hypocrite?

L-I-M-B-A-U-G-H

]]> By: danaj33 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094389 danaj33 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:29:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094389 Oh Tom, The differences between D and R's, really? Are you kidding me? I just switched to the Independent Party because the differences are negligible . You've got Guliani and Schwarznegger Repugs and a guy named Lieberman who actually ran as VP of the Dam party. HUNH? Oh Tom,

The differences between D and R’s, really? Are you kidding me?

I just switched to the Independent Party because the differences are negligible . You’ve got Guliani and Schwarznegger Repugs and a guy named Lieberman who actually ran as VP of the Dam party.

HUNH?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094375 tombaker Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:20:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094375 The differences between the D's and the R's are so fundamental and so huge, it really doesn't make sense to talk about D's differences amongst themselves. They're all so much better than the R's, in every possible way, that the discussion is of questionable merit at best. Can we criticize them?, sure, but what progress are we making when we do? Can we wish there was an even better 3rd party to get behind? sure, but it doesn't exist yet, and the time to build it is sure as hell not right now, and the way to build it is brick by brick over a lot of years. The stakes are way too high - too many lives hang in the balance, to have a generationally significant shift in the political landscape (which is, pessimistic brethren, happening right now) scuttled by infighting and spoiled fickleness. Organize, don't Naderize The differences between the D’s and the R’s are so fundamental and so huge, it really doesn’t make sense to talk about D’s differences amongst themselves. They’re all so much better than the R’s, in every possible way, that the discussion is of questionable merit at best. Can we criticize them?, sure, but what progress are we making when we do? Can we wish there was an even better 3rd party to get behind? sure, but it doesn’t exist yet, and the time to build it is sure as hell not right now, and the way to build it is brick by brick over a lot of years. The stakes are way too high – too many lives hang in the balance, to have a generationally significant shift in the political landscape (which is, pessimistic brethren, happening right now) scuttled by infighting and spoiled fickleness.

Organize, don’t Naderize

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-3/#comment-4094364 Wayne Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:15:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094364 <em>Exley, I’m calling you out on this bull$hit! Comment by DRxJ — September 27, 2007 @ 4:50 pm</em> Exley avoids most veteran and veteran issues threads like the plague. Because he cannot defend Bush on them. He won't show on this thread to comment at all Exley, I’m calling you out on this bull$hit!
Comment by DRxJ — September 27, 2007 @ 4:50 pm

Exley avoids most veteran and veteran issues threads like the plague. Because he cannot defend Bush on them.

He won’t show on this thread to comment at all

]]> By: danaj33 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-2/#comment-4094338 danaj33 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:58:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094338 Bart, THAT is a good one about Edwards (#93) but you just KNOW he can't get off the party teat. He needs their dough. Anybody see the quick vid on the San Diego Mayor being a real human being? Man, if only a few of our politicians could get out of the town of "Stepford" and start behaving like humans and not automatons. Check out this guy: http://cbs5.com/video/?id=26888@kpix.dayport.com Bart,

THAT is a good one about Edwards (#93) but you just KNOW he can’t get off the party teat. He needs their dough.

Anybody see the quick vid on the San Diego Mayor being a real human being?

Man, if only a few of our politicians could get out of the town of “Stepford” and start behaving like humans and not automatons. Check out this guy:

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=26888@kpix.dayport.com

]]> By: Nature Rules http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-2/#comment-4094283 Nature Rules Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:37:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094283 <em>guys guys (Bart and Bilbo) stop the tea-party This is exactly what happens to our freethinking side. We get mired in “Hey you, this and Hey you, thats” keep commenting on the good stuff. You’re both smart! Comment by danaj33 — September 27, 2007 @ 5:35 pm</em> I second that. I always read both Bart and Bilbo's comments and most of the time they are worth the read. guys guys (Bart and Bilbo)
stop the tea-party This is exactly what happens to our freethinking side. We get mired in “Hey you, this and Hey you, thats”
keep commenting on the good stuff.

You’re both smart!

Comment by danaj33 — September 27, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

I second that. I always read both Bart and Bilbo’s comments and most of the time they are worth the read.

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/comment-page-2/#comment-4094275 Xisithrus Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:36:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/limbaugh-pro-withdrawal-troops-are-phony-soldiers/#comment-4094275 "in 90 percent of the cases that U.S. soldiers got blown up [in Vietnam] — Ann, are you listening? — they were our own mines." (Muller was paraphrasing a 1969 Pentagon report that found that 90 percent of the components used in enemy mines came from U.S. duds and refuse.) <strong>Coulter averted her eyes and responded sarcastically: "No wonder you guys lost."</strong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter Rush is Ann in a suit. “in 90 percent of the cases that U.S. soldiers got blown up [in Vietnam] — Ann, are you listening? — they were our own mines.” (Muller was paraphrasing a 1969 Pentagon report that found that 90 percent of the components used in enemy mines came from U.S. duds and refuse.) Coulter averted her eyes and responded sarcastically: “No wonder you guys lost.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter

Rush is Ann in a suit.

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