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	<title>Comments on: Senate advances SCHIP legislation.</title>
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		<title>By: ggibson1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4095966</link>
		<dc:creator>ggibson1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
I guess I should keep my opinions about libertarianism to myself. Looks like they pretty much shut down this thread. But really, libertarians professing anger that children were not going to get government help for healthcare was too ironic for me to ignore. It just makes me think that some libertarians donâ€™t understand what their own philosophy is all about, or worse, they do, and theyâ€™re being intellectually dishonest.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper 
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Maybe SOME people should stop thinking in terms of &quot;teams&quot;. This isnt football... this is our government. I dont care if a person is from the Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Satans Party... it is about what type of leadership THAT person will bring.

a PLAN should be put together to solve our biggest problems... Plans by engineer minded people... not by politicians and lobbyists... ALL plans should start off asking how can we solve this problem WITHOUT government because any time the Feds get their hands on a problem it becomes a chance to be bribed and they seem all too happy to use it that way... or even worse they do like the democrats are now and use it to force their self righteous beliefs on others about smoking... 

IF we try to solve the problem without government and it fails OR we do not have time to let things play out like that THEN I would be fine with the government taking over temporarily to solve the issue... Take Universal Health Care for example.. we could stop the Insurance companies and drug companies from bribing Congress for special treatment and let a true market solution by WE THE PEOPLE to solve it BUT people are suffering right now... so if we can get the government to move against the bad actors and setup a temporary single payer plan until we can figure out how to get it out into the private sector without the Insurance companies taking over again then so be it.

This isnt a game and it isnt an either or proposition. All incompassing solutions often are complex and require the system to morph over time to get to the desired end goal... I know this works because I have done it for years in coming up with very complex solutions for companies/government computer systems that much morph over time instead of being an all or nothing solution...</description>
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I guess I should keep my opinions about libertarianism to myself. Looks like they pretty much shut down this thread. But really, libertarians professing anger that children were not going to get government help for healthcare was too ironic for me to ignore. It just makes me think that some libertarians donâ€™t understand what their own philosophy is all about, or worse, they do, and theyâ€™re being intellectually dishonest.</p>
<p>Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper<br />
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<p>Maybe SOME people should stop thinking in terms of &#8220;teams&#8221;. This isnt football&#8230; this is our government. I dont care if a person is from the Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Satans Party&#8230; it is about what type of leadership THAT person will bring.</p>
<p>a PLAN should be put together to solve our biggest problems&#8230; Plans by engineer minded people&#8230; not by politicians and lobbyists&#8230; ALL plans should start off asking how can we solve this problem WITHOUT government because any time the Feds get their hands on a problem it becomes a chance to be bribed and they seem all too happy to use it that way&#8230; or even worse they do like the democrats are now and use it to force their self righteous beliefs on others about smoking&#8230; </p>
<p>IF we try to solve the problem without government and it fails OR we do not have time to let things play out like that THEN I would be fine with the government taking over temporarily to solve the issue&#8230; Take Universal Health Care for example.. we could stop the Insurance companies and drug companies from bribing Congress for special treatment and let a true market solution by WE THE PEOPLE to solve it BUT people are suffering right now&#8230; so if we can get the government to move against the bad actors and setup a temporary single payer plan until we can figure out how to get it out into the private sector without the Insurance companies taking over again then so be it.</p>
<p>This isnt a game and it isnt an either or proposition. All incompassing solutions often are complex and require the system to morph over time to get to the desired end goal&#8230; I know this works because I have done it for years in coming up with very complex solutions for companies/government computer systems that much morph over time instead of being an all or nothing solution&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4095966', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094501</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should keep my opinions about libertarianism to myself. Looks like they pretty much shut down this thread. But really, libertarians professing anger that children were not going to get government help for healthcare was too ironic for me to ignore. It just makes me think that some libertarians don&#039;t understand what their own philosophy is all about, or worse, they do, and they&#039;re being intellectually dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should keep my opinions about libertarianism to myself. Looks like they pretty much shut down this thread. But really, libertarians professing anger that children were not going to get government help for healthcare was too ironic for me to ignore. It just makes me think that some libertarians don&#8217;t understand what their own philosophy is all about, or worse, they do, and they&#8217;re being intellectually dishonest.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094501', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094337</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be such a party pooper on this Libertarian thing, but I&#039;ve got a major hardspot for this thinking.

The modern libertarian movement, as concocted by a bunch of wealthy corporate industrialists in the 70&#039;s, is a classic &quot;bait and switch&quot; applied to political philosophy. Bait with individual freedom and switch to unfettered, unregulated corporate capitalism.  Wealthy corporatists were concerned with the public&#039;s progressive activism in the 60&#039;s, so they had to figure out a way to convince working class Americans that their interests were the same as the interests of the wealthy. They did this by concentrating on emotional issues like drugs and guns. This convinced many working class people, mainly men, that libertarian philosophy would lead to more freedom, but all it led to was more power for large corporations. It&#039;s an insidious trick played on working class Americans and I hope people will begin to see it for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be such a party pooper on this Libertarian thing, but I&#8217;ve got a major hardspot for this thinking.</p>
<p>The modern libertarian movement, as concocted by a bunch of wealthy corporate industrialists in the 70&#8217;s, is a classic &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; applied to political philosophy. Bait with individual freedom and switch to unfettered, unregulated corporate capitalism.  Wealthy corporatists were concerned with the public&#8217;s progressive activism in the 60&#8217;s, so they had to figure out a way to convince working class Americans that their interests were the same as the interests of the wealthy. They did this by concentrating on emotional issues like drugs and guns. This convinced many working class people, mainly men, that libertarian philosophy would lead to more freedom, but all it led to was more power for large corporations. It&#8217;s an insidious trick played on working class Americans and I hope people will begin to see it for what it is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094337', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul thinks we should get out of Iraq. Good for him. He also thinks it would be better if we didn&#039;t have Social Security, Medicare, public libraries, public national parks, food stamps, the VA, the public school system, the environmental protection agency, any public works projects and any regulations on corporations. He thinks corporations are too regulated!!!!

Ron Paul doesn&#039;t like the idea of public financing of elections or regulating the media. 

Our libertarian friends here would like to gloss over all of these facts about Ron Paul&#039;s libertarian philosophy and concentrate on his opposition to the war. But, let&#039;s not forget the core libertarian philosophy which is the most corporate-friendly philosophy in politics today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul thinks we should get out of Iraq. Good for him. He also thinks it would be better if we didn&#8217;t have Social Security, Medicare, public libraries, public national parks, food stamps, the VA, the public school system, the environmental protection agency, any public works projects and any regulations on corporations. He thinks corporations are too regulated!!!!</p>
<p>Ron Paul doesn&#8217;t like the idea of public financing of elections or regulating the media. </p>
<p>Our libertarian friends here would like to gloss over all of these facts about Ron Paul&#8217;s libertarian philosophy and concentrate on his opposition to the war. But, let&#8217;s not forget the core libertarian philosophy which is the most corporate-friendly philosophy in politics today.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094310', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094293</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart: &quot;What we need to do now is stand up a solid 3rd party candidate early and throw all support behind him\her.
How about George Clooney?&quot;

Again, this is exactly how we got Bush in the first place. And, I don&#039;t want to burst your bubble, but George Clooney says he&#039;ll be voting for the Democrat no matter who is nominated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart: &#8220;What we need to do now is stand up a solid 3rd party candidate early and throw all support behind him\her.<br />
How about George Clooney?&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, this is exactly how we got Bush in the first place. And, I don&#8217;t want to burst your bubble, but George Clooney says he&#8217;ll be voting for the Democrat no matter who is nominated.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094293', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094285</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Ho: &quot;Hillary, Obama, &amp; Edwards basically said that they would not pull out all the troops before 2013. I will NOT vote for any of them. Kucinich or Green Party.&quot;

They said nothing of the sort. Review the tape. This kind of thinking is exactly how we got Bush in the first place. You people are simply crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Ho: &#8220;Hillary, Obama, &amp; Edwards basically said that they would not pull out all the troops before 2013. I will NOT vote for any of them. Kucinich or Green Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>They said nothing of the sort. Review the tape. This kind of thinking is exactly how we got Bush in the first place. You people are simply crazy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094285', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094269</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦
Comment by ggibson1 â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Which is why I am not voiting for the DNC candidate next year.
Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:25 pm


This is exactly what the Repubs are hoping for. Block all legislative efforts by Dems and convince voters with a shallow understanding of politics to either not vote at all or not vote for the Democrat. Nice going guys. Perfect tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦<br />
Comment by ggibson1 â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:23 pm<br />
Which is why I am not voiting for the DNC candidate next year.<br />
Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:25 pm</p>
<p>This is exactly what the Repubs are hoping for. Block all legislative efforts by Dems and convince voters with a shallow understanding of politics to either not vote at all or not vote for the Democrat. Nice going guys. Perfect tools.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094269', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094268</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ggibson: &quot;Isnt this that bill that targets smokers and taxes the shit out of themâ€¦ the way the british over taxed the American colonies for tea? Or is that a different bill?&quot;

There is a common misconception about the nature of the Boston Tea party. It wasn&#039;t about an increase in taxes. It was about a special tax BREAK for the East India company. The king&#039;s people cut taxes for just the one company and the domestic tea importers felt that this gave a favored corporation an unfair competitive advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ggibson: &#8220;Isnt this that bill that targets smokers and taxes the shit out of themâ€¦ the way the british over taxed the American colonies for tea? Or is that a different bill?&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a common misconception about the nature of the Boston Tea party. It wasn&#8217;t about an increase in taxes. It was about a special tax BREAK for the East India company. The king&#8217;s people cut taxes for just the one company and the domestic tea importers felt that this gave a favored corporation an unfair competitive advantage.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094268', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094200</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kucinich said April 2007 when he meant April 2009.  He got overexcited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kucinich said April 2007 when he meant April 2009.  He got overexcited.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094200', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wilco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kucinich said he&#039;d go back in time and bring the troops home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kucinich said he&#8217;d go back in time and bring the troops home.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094180', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦
Comment by ggibson1&lt;/em&gt;

You must have been watching a different debate than everyone else.  John Edwards said that &quot;if what Petraeus says is right and there are 100,000 troops in Iraq in 2009, I would immediately bring home 40-50,000 and then bring home the rest in 2-3 months.&quot;  He said he would only leave enough troops in Iraq to protect the embassy and to protect humanitarian workers.

Also, Dennis Kucinich would bring all the troops home the day he took office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦<br />
Comment by ggibson1</em></p>
<p>You must have been watching a different debate than everyone else.  John Edwards said that &#8220;if what Petraeus says is right and there are 100,000 troops in Iraq in 2009, I would immediately bring home 40-50,000 and then bring home the rest in 2-3 months.&#8221;  He said he would only leave enough troops in Iraq to protect the embassy and to protect humanitarian workers.</p>
<p>Also, Dennis Kucinich would bring all the troops home the day he took office.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094167', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: foreyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it too, but I donâ€™t think it authorized military action. 

Comment by Peter C â€” September 27, 2007 @ 3:25 pm

I aggree with you.  This is just like the MoveOn.org vote: pure political theatre.  Not that Cheney and his puppet wouldn&#039;t like to bomb Iran but Reid and Pelosi need the votes of &quot;so-called&quot; moderate Republicans to pass important domestic legislation.  I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and say that if that means playing Joe (a*hole) Liebermann for a fool, so be it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it too, but I donâ€™t think it authorized military action. </p>
<p>Comment by Peter C â€” September 27, 2007 @ 3:25 pm</p>
<p>I aggree with you.  This is just like the MoveOn.org vote: pure political theatre.  Not that Cheney and his puppet wouldn&#8217;t like to bomb Iran but Reid and Pelosi need the votes of &#8220;so-called&#8221; moderate Republicans to pass important domestic legislation.  I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and say that if that means playing Joe (a*hole) Liebermann for a fool, so be it!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094121', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joeldbloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeldbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they &lt;b&gt;passed the cloture motion&lt;/b&gt;. Cloture means you end debate and move on to the vote. We are really living on the Bizarro Planet when filibusters are the norm and cloture  -- the end of debate, meaning we actually get to vote on the bill -- is such an unaccustomed event that we can&#039;t even remember which is which any more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they <b>passed the cloture motion</b>. Cloture means you end debate and move on to the vote. We are really living on the Bizarro Planet when filibusters are the norm and cloture  &#8212; the end of debate, meaning we actually get to vote on the bill &#8212; is such an unaccustomed event that we can&#8217;t even remember which is which any more!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094107', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-2/#comment-4094095</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had universal single-payer healthcare---------there would be no need to come up with extra money for children-----everyone is covered and it SAVES us $250 billion every year, administratively alone.

Our HHS Secretary Leavitt was asked Sunday by Wolf Blitzer why Bush was just now talking about healthcare after 6 2/3rd years.  Leavitt said &quot;Issues ripen and mature&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had universal single-payer healthcare&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;there would be no need to come up with extra money for children&#8212;&#8211;everyone is covered and it SAVES us $250 billion every year, administratively alone.</p>
<p>Our HHS Secretary Leavitt was asked Sunday by Wolf Blitzer why Bush was just now talking about healthcare after 6 2/3rd years.  Leavitt said &#8220;Issues ripen and mature&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094095', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-4094085</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kucinich said in the debate that he would have the troops out by April 2007!  He then admitted that he got overexcited.  I&#039;m afraid HumboldtPrimo is right and it will propbably be President Hillary and some troops will be there fifteen years.  But a hell of a lot fewer troops and in a less offensive role than if a Republican got in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kucinich said in the debate that he would have the troops out by April 2007!  He then admitted that he got overexcited.  I&#8217;m afraid HumboldtPrimo is right and it will propbably be President Hillary and some troops will be there fifteen years.  But a hell of a lot fewer troops and in a less offensive role than if a Republican got in.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094085', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: foreyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦

Comment by ggibson1 â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

I&#039;m pretty sure that most of the Dem candidates for president want to end the Iraq war.  Given the present balance of forces in the House and Senate, I don&#039;t think it is politically reasonable to expect them to say so, or, that Democrats will be able to pull it off under present conditions.  Saying otherwise would raise expectations to unreasonable levels and only lead to frustration just like after the last Congressional elections.  
Executing a safe military withdrawal from a theatre of war is, most military experts say, one of the most difficult if not the most difficult maneuver an army can undertake. If Bush could find a compliant general to stage a &quot;surge&quot;, I&#039;m confident our next president (hopefully a Democrat) will be able to find a good American general to get us out of there, in say, three to six months.  I&#039;m hoping of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the debates last night very few of the democrats are really going to stop the warâ€¦ even after 2009â€¦</p>
<p>Comment by ggibson1 â€” September 27, 2007 @ 2:23 pm</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that most of the Dem candidates for president want to end the Iraq war.  Given the present balance of forces in the House and Senate, I don&#8217;t think it is politically reasonable to expect them to say so, or, that Democrats will be able to pull it off under present conditions.  Saying otherwise would raise expectations to unreasonable levels and only lead to frustration just like after the last Congressional elections.<br />
Executing a safe military withdrawal from a theatre of war is, most military experts say, one of the most difficult if not the most difficult maneuver an army can undertake. If Bush could find a compliant general to stage a &#8220;surge&#8221;, I&#8217;m confident our next president (hopefully a Democrat) will be able to find a good American general to get us out of there, in say, three to six months.  I&#8217;m hoping of course.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094083', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-4094065</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The National Review blog complains Roberts is â€œmaking matters much worse for conservatives right nowâ€ by â€œexcoriating President Bush.â€ &lt;/em&gt;

Oh poor babies.  Things couldn&#039;t possibly get much worse for conservatives, and it has nothing to do with Roberts or any other Republic who is now &quot;seeing the light&quot; because they see their chances of being re-elected going down the drain.  What it does have to do with is the Bush Crime Family and the lemming Republicans who either aren&#039;t running for re-election in 2008 or who don&#039;t care if they are re-elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The National Review blog complains Roberts is â€œmaking matters much worse for conservatives right nowâ€ by â€œexcoriating President Bush.â€ </em></p>
<p>Oh poor babies.  Things couldn&#8217;t possibly get much worse for conservatives, and it has nothing to do with Roberts or any other Republic who is now &#8220;seeing the light&#8221; because they see their chances of being re-elected going down the drain.  What it does have to do with is the Bush Crime Family and the lemming Republicans who either aren&#8217;t running for re-election in 2008 or who don&#8217;t care if they are re-elected.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094065', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-4094059</link>
		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe it when I see 67 votes overriding the chymperatic veto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe it when I see 67 votes overriding the chymperatic veto.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094059', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/27/senate-overhwelmingly-passes-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-4094040</link>
		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should read my county&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should read my county&#8217;s<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094040', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks, but if you think that whoever is elected President will be able to pull out our troops from Iraq immediately after taking office, you&#039;re smoking my counties most lucrative crop, not cigarettes.

One thing Bush has accomplished is that we will have combat troops in Iraq for a minimum of five years (and it&#039;ll probably be 10-15 years) once Commander Codpiece goes back to clearing brush.

The pressure from big money corporations works on both sides of the aisles, and all the promises made by candidates that &quot;we&#039;ll begin troop withdrawls immediately&quot; are nothing more than words. 

Bush and Cheney know this, that&#039;s why the invaded in the first place. They have secured oil for their donors and they have secured access to natural gas resources as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks, but if you think that whoever is elected President will be able to pull out our troops from Iraq immediately after taking office, you&#8217;re smoking my counties most lucrative crop, not cigarettes.</p>
<p>One thing Bush has accomplished is that we will have combat troops in Iraq for a minimum of five years (and it&#8217;ll probably be 10-15 years) once Commander Codpiece goes back to clearing brush.</p>
<p>The pressure from big money corporations works on both sides of the aisles, and all the promises made by candidates that &#8220;we&#8217;ll begin troop withdrawls immediately&#8221; are nothing more than words. </p>
<p>Bush and Cheney know this, that&#8217;s why the invaded in the first place. They have secured oil for their donors and they have secured access to natural gas resources as well.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4094038', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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