Except there is absoltutely NO, and I repeat ZERO evidence of a AQ ever having used a lie OF THIS SORT, FOR THIS PURPOSE, before.

SOnny boy.. everybody lies. Every government, military, para-military, terrorist, freedom fighter group lies. Thats not the point.. the point is asking “what is person lying about” “why are they lying” and “what is the history of this TYPE of lies”..

so can you PLEASE, “for the record”, jake, point us to past instances where AQ has used the TACTIC of trying to throw us off thier leaders trails by lying about their deaths?

Because I guarantee you I can show you instances of the military having killed the same person multiple times.

wake up. there are NO good guys in this world. the myth that america has been uniquely blessed by some divine being is, in the words of your straussian heroes, a “noble lie”.

ask tens of thousands of dead civilians in central america whether the united states fund terrorist groups. american officials have been convicted of lying to congress about it. its a matter of record.

“for the record”, let me ask you a hypotehtical… a brutal middle eastern dictator claims he has posession of no weapons of mass destruction. george bush insists that he does, and that he knows where they are. they are north, south, east and west of tiktrik.

who do you beleive our president, or the brutal middle eastern dictator?

Or is OBL really dead?

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And I stll agree with Fox, OBL died in 2001.

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As I suggested 50 posts ago, if he is dead we quit hunting him. It was suggested as a possibility instead of assuming our military is lying.

Comment by Keltoi — September 28, 2007 @ 4:18 pm

And completely beside the point. AQI and their ISI affilliates are shameless self-promoters who issue press releases and glossy magazines boasting about their activities in Iraq. And they do lie. They occasionally inflate stories of their successes, claiming that one of their attacks caused more casualties than it did. Sometimes they claim responsibility for attacks that they didn’t even carry out. These lies are intended to boost their support by looking victorious.

What doesn’t make sense, however, is why they’d lie about their “senior leader” being killed if he wasn’t actually killed. This would not seem to be a morale-booster. What possible strategic purpose would this accomplish?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

Tell a lie? These boyscouts? Naahhh.

Comment by Eskwaya — September 28, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

I was wondering about this, too. I have to wonder how this zombie managed to find time to write a memo while under aerial bombardment. And why? Was he hoping for a carrier pidgeon to break through the front lines and get his message to the cavalry? Or was he perhaps hoping the UPS guy would stop by?

And yes, it’s entirely possible that the ISI contained two men from Tunisia who had first-born sons named Usama, but one would think they’d coordinate this and agree to use some other of their fifteen names publicly to prevent the confusion.

Saddam’s WMD program was really about cloning technology!

This guy’s been killed twice. Chemical Ali was captured and/or killed at least three times. The only answer is clones.

I gave you multiple chances to respond to my questions, not wanting you to be able to claim I disingenuously “claimed victory and fled the field”, as you’ve tried to do in the past.

I know that the reason for your failure to respond was not simple absence, since you responded to gummitch several times, while studiously ignoring me.

I even asked if you were intentionally ducking me, in an effort to shame you into responding. Apparently, you are too shameless for this ploy to be successful.

So, when confronted with questions you’d rather not try to answer, it seems like your strategy is to “flee the field”. Pathetic.

Well, it’s after 4:00 pm EDT, which means I need to sign off I think that almost two hours is long enough to wait for a response. I’ll be going away for the weekend, but I’ll be back on Monday, and we can continue this then.

Oh, and by the way, Keltoi, if you don’t have the integrity to address me directly, you coward, at least be man enought to refrain from snidely referring to me in the third person, especially when you are referencing an argument in which you were so soundly beaten.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

More evidence of your psychic powers. Now you’re able to tell me what I think. Amazing. You made the original statement and I merely asked for evidence that you knew what you were talking about. So far, you’ve been able to establish that we shouldn’t trust the words of conservative religious fundamentalists.
Comment by gummitch — September 28, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

Mitch, I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, there is just enough real controversy to debate that I don’t feel the need to Google “Lies of AQ” and then give you “evidence”. See post #50 if you really need that. It is like the thing with Trip where we had to spend 10 posts on whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons or not, and for that exercise I ceded the word “May” be developing nukes – it is hardly worth it. It is parsing to the point of absurdity.

Comment by Keltoi — September 28, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

More evidence of your psychic powers. Now you’re able to tell me what I think. Amazing.

You made the original statement and I merely asked for evidence that you knew what you were talking about. So far, you’ve been able to establish that we shouldn’t trust the words of conservative religious fundamentalists.

In this instance, after aerial bombardment with high explosives that killed people and brought down structures, our government was able to find a miracle piece of paper: “the death was confirmed by a hand-written note from al-Tunisi that was found in the aftermath of an airstrike “in which he says he’s surrounded and desperate for help.” Miraculously, it was found among the rubble, neither destroyed nor rendered unreadable by the fire or by collapsing debris.

Similarly, the U.S. was able to identify (and thus confirm) a hijacker of Flight 93 by recovering a mostly unscathed visa in the mostly non-existent wreckage of Flight 93, which exploded prior to impact and was reportedly strewn up to 2 and 1/2 miles from the crash site. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/230804visafound.htm
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060309100619120

And yet another miracle. On September 12, 2001, a hijacker’s passport was found on the ground near the world trade center. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091101passportsfound#a091101passportsfound
Amazing! Fire burned so hot and for so long that it caused the first high-rise collapse in recorded history, but a piece of paper from someone on the plane that crashed into the buildings (the source of the fire): our government recovered that.

Damn we’re good. Gosh. Who needs black boxes when something so vulnerable as paper is consistently recoverable?

Yes – they get money from the Saudis, whose faces the Bushes kiss every chance they get. They’ve probably gotten a big chumk of the money and guns Patraeus lost in Iraq, too – none of it makes them a big’ol threat to anyone outside their immediate geographic sphere of influence. The Crips stand a better chance of taking over the country than they do, and that’s not a chance I’m afraid of to the point of killing innocents, blowing the arms and legs off Americans, and emptying our Treasury for. (and I know where you stand on these things too, so I’m not disagreeing with you)

3rd world asshats hiding in caves jacking it with their AK’s, with very little real power to do anything.

In fact, Al-Qaeda has been heavily supported by the CIA in the past and heavily supported by lots of Saudi money. They are the dumbest and most fanatical branch of Islam. Thats why they are called despectively Wahabbites in the Islam world. They deny 1000 years of Islam techings and say it is ok to kill people.