Right-Wing New York Sun Declares: ‘Attack On Iran Said To Be Imminent’
Right-Wing New York Sun Declares: ‘Attack On Iran Said To Be Imminent’
The New York Sun, a reliable neoconservative outlet that has advocated for a Dick Cheney presidential campaign, declares today: “Attack on Iran Said To Be Imminent.” The article’s lead states:
In a sign that U.N. Security Council-based diplomacy is losing steam, a number of sources are reporting that a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities may be imminent. France and America also are pushing for tighter economic sanctions against Tehran, without U.N. approval.
Yesterday’s edition of Le Canard Enchaîné, a French weekly known for its investigative journalism, reported details of an alleged Israeli-American plan to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. The frontpage headline read: “A report sent to the Elysée — Putin tells Tehran: They’re going to bomb you!”
Ironically, the right-wing clamor for war is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here’s why:
– The success of the right-wing’s push for military action hinges on establishing that the U.N. Security Council can’t stop Iran’s nuclear program. As the Sun notes, the U.S. and French are already considering an effort to proceed “without U.N. approval,” in essence forming a “coalition of the willing” that ignores the U.N. (It wouldn’t be the first time.)
– Russia and China, both members of the permanent five, have rebuffed efforts to increase sanctions on Iran, fearing that they “will be exploited to support a U.S. policy of regime change or military action.”
– That fear, precipitated by right-wing rhetoric, then inhibits the U.N.’s ability to agree on sanctions that could be used “to increase the pressure on Tehran to comply with the Security Council’s demand to suspend uranium enrichment.” The failure to instill a new sanctions regime then allows the administration to push for confrontation.
Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said this week: “Definitely what we are seeing is a confrontation in the making.”
And if the Bush administration can’t establish the need to go to war based on the threat of a nuclear Iran, it appears appears ready to claim that Iran’s cross-border activity in Iraq may justify military action. On that front, Congress — not wanting to appear weak — is facilitating the administration’s case.
Glenn Greenwald writes the “virtual refusal of senior military officials to permit a war with Iran” may be all that stands in the Bush administration’s way.
UPDATE: The AP writes today, “In a setback for the United States, Iran won a two-month reprieve from new U.N. sanctions over its nuclear program on Friday. The Bush administration and its European allies ceded to Russian and Chinese demands to give Tehran more time to address international concerns. … The decision marks another blow for Washington in its diplomatic struggle to toughen existing U.N. sanctions on Iran.”
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Oh, goody goody!! Another Republican war!! I can’t wait!!! YAY!!
Not.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI don’t see why not. Iraq was a beautiful success. Let’s keep going!
~Sean
September 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pmIf it’s about cross-border activity, maybe we should attack the country which produces 45% of the foreign insurgents killing our soldiers - Saudi Arabia.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIf these mad-men bomb Iran and try to expand their “Crusade” across the Middle East, I will be calling every Member of the House of Representatives daily demanding that they start impeachment proceedings at once until they finally comply.
And if nothing is done as a result, you can be damn-well sure about 40 million people won’t be voting for them in another election until each and every one of them is voted out.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:07 pmI suspect that the decision to go to war with Iran was in the works for a long time and one of the things holding it back was a fear about what the American People would do. I am sure that people in the White House understand the polls and know that an attach on Iran would be very unpopular with the American People.
What is tipping the balance to war? I suspect that this Administration has been watching Congress and judging the ability of the newly elected Democratic majority to effectively do anything. Having judged the Democrats as fundamentally inept and unwilling to confront the President, the pro-war group has started to move full-steam ahead.
I hope the Democrats in Congress finally understand some of the unintended consequences to their failure to confront the Republicans and the White House over issues. Their demonstrated weakness is leading us into another costly and bloody war.
For Democrats in Congress:
Being Weak = More War Dead
Sad….
September 28th, 2007 at 7:08 pmIf he keeps going, Dubya will have more failed wars than he had dry oil wells with his failed companies, funded by the Bin Laden family.
Now, THAT would be funny… if it wasn’t so f’ing sad.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI was wondering how long it would take for someone around here to blame Democrats for this. That’s the left for you. We just love our circular firing squads and we eat our own.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pmNow, THAT would be funny… if it wasn’t so f’ing sad.
Comment by upside99 — September 28, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
And deadly….
September 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pm“Eat our own”? I am definitely not on the same side as Reid, Clinton, or Obama.
Libertarian 2008. Ron Paul has my support.
~Sean
September 28th, 2007 at 7:15 pmLet’s see …… BushCo has destroyed our ground forces with the Army and Marines almost worn out, now let’s destroy our Air Force and Navy, and while we are at it, Iran will flood into Iraq and take care of those pesky 160,000 troops left to be slaughtered.
Gotta love this Cabal, they really know how to FUp a country, and making a humongous profit at the same time.
Wonder if that inflatable codpiece will get a workout after this “Mission Accomplished”?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI was wondering how long it would take for someone around here to blame Democrats for this. That’s the left for you. We just love our circular firing squads and we eat our own.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
The democrats are left?
I mean seriously. They seem more like a right-leaning-center to me.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:19 pmI was wondering how long it would take for someone around here to blame Democrats for this. That’s the left for you. We just love our circular firing squads and we eat our own.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
I gotta tell you, with that latest vote authorizing the use of any & all methods of force against Iran the Dems have given GWB the ability to wage this war. I can’t understand why someone like Clinton would vote for it, or why Obama would skip the vote. It’s nuts. They can’t run away from these votes & they can’t impeach GWB on the basis of acting upon a threat that they agreed exists.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:20 pmSean, when I say the left, I certainly don’t include Libertarians. Libertarians are part of the most dishonest “bait and switch” political philosophy in the nation’s history. The only result of libertarian philosophy is more political power for large corporations. Libertarians are tools for corporatists. Silly ones at that. Amazing that a bunch of wealthy industrialists have fashioned a crafty way to make you think that your interests are the same as theirs. It was easy. They have baited you with the idea of personal freedom, using emotional issues like guns and drugs, and they switch to no regulations of any kind for corporations which are ruining our country. As as libertarian, I expect you to always serve the interests of corporations, so no, in my book, you’re no where even near a lefty.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:21 pmThe Bush Regime “rolled out the Iraq Invasion product” during the election season of 2002 in order to capitalize politically as a party from the invasion, and sweeped both houses of Congress.
Everyone with a functioning brain knows that they want to do it again for the 2008 elections.
Many right wing blogs are even outright calling for an attack on Iran as a “Hail Mary” pass for the 2008 elections.
If this does happen, I say it’s time to arrest and lock up for life the people in power who commit this crime against America.
They got away with stealing an election and they got away with invading Iraq for political gain. We cannot allow them to get away with any more.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:21 pmWhat a nightmare. Every time I think he couldn’t possibly do something - wouldn’t dare to - he does it. I really hope this is just some kind of neocon hyperventilating.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:22 pmMy hunch would be that all the weak little minds in both parties have been simply overwhelmed and exhausted from trying to “think straight” and have decided it’s simply easier to go along w/ this insanity than use the set the Good Lord gave ‘em.
Coming to a planet near you… WW III!!!!
September 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmthey can’t impeach GWB on the basis of acting upon a threat that they agreed exists.
Comment by Dave C — September 28, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Nancy “Table Phobic” Pelosi won’t let them impeach anyway.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmDigdug: “The democrats are left?”
Well, about half of them are, and the other half are centrist, which, in my mind, makes them preferable to the other major party.
Rory: “Didn’t the majority of Democrats recently VOTE for language that permits the President to attack Iran?”
No, it calls the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. That, alone, does not give Bush the right to attack a country.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:27 pmOxycon: “Many right wing blogs are even outright calling for an attack on Iran as a “Hail Mary†pass for the 2008 elections.
If this does happen, I say it’s time to arrest and lock up for life the people in power who commit this crime against America.”
If there is any justice left in the world, Bush will one day stand trial for war crimes.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThat, alone, does not give Bush the right to attack a country.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Colonel, yer pickin’ on tha handicapped.
Rory is either “readin’-challenged”, or lysdexic…
Saaayyy… wait a minute… is it possible that some of the weapons being used in Iraq to kill our soldiers came from 190,000 our side LOST?
Damn… we just might have to declare ourselves a “terrorist organization”. Does that mean we’ll attack ourselves next?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:30 pmjeez, faiz, you had me freaked out… well, still am…
but i heardabout the UN reprieve this late morning…
also about 40+ countries - including CHINA and RUSSIA
who came out with resolution (?) today against the US
attacking iran…
i’m confused…
but i’ve been away from my political-crack for several days…
just enough to keep from a total jones, but i’ve missed most of the
backstories and underbellies, the opinions and feedback of happenings…
maybe, knowing what a downer it’s been, it’s best…
September 28th, 2007 at 7:32 pm…
“Didn’t the majority of Democrats recently VOTE for language that permits the President to attack Iran?â€
and there it is…
thanks dem leadership, for letting this
September 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmeven get to the floor…
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Oh, goody goody!! Another Republican war!! I can’t wait!!! YAY!!
Not.
Comment by Leftside Annie — September 28, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Just be sure to make better investments in the near future. You know, defense contractor and no-bid contractor stock, if you can get them because some are private and only rich conservatives can get in on them.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:34 pm#15 - Last time I checked, it was the Iraq war, and soon-to-be Iran war that is ruining this country. Who voted for the Iraq war? Who voted to fund the Iraq war in June/July? Who voted to fund the Iraq war just yesterday? Who voted to threaten Iran?
So far it looks like Dems and Repugs are the bad guys. Well, you have to give the Repugs some credit - at least they vote according to their beliefs. The Dems are the bait-and-switchers… “Vote me in and I’ll stop the war!… Oh, did I say stop? I meant continue. Silly me.”
~Sean
September 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pmbut i heardabout the UN reprieve this late morning…
Comment by katy — September 28, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
That reprieve had to do with add’l UN sanctions against Iran. That might have been what has caused the threat of a U.S. attack to become imminent. If the UN won’t even sanction Iran further, it’s time to attack.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pmooooooooh mugsy… those phone calls’ll scare the shite outta them reps…
i suggest we all meet on pennsylvania avenue within 42 hours
of any such news… if not before…
my care will hold 3 more, comfortably, from central illinois…
September 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pmlet me know.
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Bart: “The attack on Iran is a certainty.”
I still don’t think so and I hope you’re wrong.
Bart: “They just gave Bush full and unfettered support, to wage war in Iran with whatever means, tactics or strategies he chooses to emply.”
That’s a stretch, Bart. But, just for the sake of argument, if we’re not going to try to get Democrats to stop this madness, whom would you suggest?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pmIf it’s about cross-border activity, maybe we should attack the country which produces 45% of the foreign insurgents killing our soldiers - Saudi Arabia.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Don’t forget that 80% of the 911 hijackers were Saudi too!
September 28th, 2007 at 7:41 pmIf you google the words “attack iran imminent” you’ll get lots of hits from 2006 and early 2007. This isn’t the first time it has been predicted as being imminent.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:41 pmTwo month sanction by the UN means “hands off” for now. This will push things dangerously close to the end of Bush’s term so the Lieberman AIPAC “drumbeat” will continue to heighten. An attack on Iran is all that this country needs to take it completely down the tubes. Economically we’re already there is one is to suggest something fiscally responsible like “balancing a budget” (something which the Chimp has never done)….not to mention our overstretched military. An attack on Iran will shrink our superpower status immediately to that of a third world country.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:42 pmOf course, we know that The New York Sun is a reichstag rag and probably full of shit.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:42 pmSean: “Who voted for the Iraq war?”
Sean, I guess I’ll have to spell this out for you and others for the umpteenth time. Nobody voted for the war. The bill gave Bush authorization to use force as a last result after going back to the U.N. It stipulated that Bush had to come back to congress with a detailed written account of how Saddam was involved with the 9-11 attack. It called for Bush to allow the U.N. inspections to run their course before any action was taken.
Bush ignored the terms of the bill, didn’t go back to the U.N., told the inspectors to get out and attacked. Then, the mainstream media never held him responsible for not living up to the terms of the deal and started selling this idea that people who voted for the bill were voting for the war.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pmBartlebee: Yes, Pelosi and Reid should be tarred and feathered for deceiving the people who trusted them. They’re liars - just like their buddies on the other side of the aisle. They both need to be impeached if this is the proper channel for getting rid of abysmal failures like the two of them.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThe article linked at the end of the post makes a good point. The most effective anti-war movement is coming from within the walls of the Pentagon. Thank God for my superiors, especially ADM Fallon.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pm“If we’re not going to get democrats to do this, whom would you suggest?” I’d suggest that these faux democrats be immediately replaced with independent thinkers who have no party allegiance and have not been in Congress so long that they’re “on the take” as most are, we know.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSean: “Well, you have to give the Repugs some credit - at least they vote according to their beliefs.”
That’s a libertarian for you. Always willing to give republicans the benefit of the doubt. Is this a coincidence? Libertarians believe in no regulations or constraints on corporate capitalism. So do republicans. Libertarians see public policy in terms of tax burden, not services rendered. So do republicans. Libertarians are large corporations’ best friends. So are republicans.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pmBush ignored the terms of the bill, didn’t go back to the U.N., told the inspectors to get out and attacked. Then, the mainstream media never held him responsible for not living up to the terms of the deal and started selling this idea that people who voted for the bill were voting for the war.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Exactly. Given that I don’t understand why any Democrat would vote for the latest Iran bill nor do I understand why he’d live up to the letter of the terms of that bill. He has carte blanche yet again. The only reason he won’t attack Iran is timing. It may not be right quite yet.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:50 pmVeritas: “I’d suggest that these faux democrats be immediately replaced with independent thinkers who have no party allegiance”
How about this: if you’re given the choice in a primary, why not choose the Democrat who is more progressive and liberal.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Much like the Taliban was a terrorist org’n yet Bush felt it was ok to attack Afghanistan. If a country harbors terrorists then that country becomes a target. Even if they do so unwillingly.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:51 pmVeritas, how does a politician with “no party allegiance” get anything done in congress. I’m fairly certain you know how the legislative branch works.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pmThe article says October 15; new moon is October 11.
A new base 5 miles from the Iran border, Combat Outpost Shocker.
A nicely timed Senate amendment on Iran.
Conflict with the UN - we’ve seen this before.
France increasingly hawkish on Iran.
A murky threat of nuclear weapons.
With slightly altered variables, deja vu, anyone?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pm“Much like the Taliban was a terrorist org’n yet Bush felt it was ok to attack Afghanistan. If a country harbors terrorists then that country becomes a target. Even if they do so unwillingly.”
At the time he attacked Afghanistan, Bush’s approval was in the 70’s and republicans’ approval was in the 50’s.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:54 pmIt’s called “integrity”, Col. Jack Ripper! Party affiliation is analogous to being “brainless” and totally “without any shred of personal integrity”, that’s what. And when the people begin to elect people who use their minds and souls instead of political “paybacks” and “wallet perks”, that’s when we will ever have a true democracy.
Right now Congress has been reduced to nothing more than a “pissing contest” with the people of this country as the losers.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWhatever mouth.
Don’t tell me. Suit up and get in the game and tell the “terrorists†tough guy.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
No idea what that means. You calling me Mouth? Why? Because I agreed with your point & added my own take on the basis of previous GWB actions?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAnd Bush says, if the New York Sun says it, it must be true.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pm#48 Clearly, our two party system has ground to a total and unequivocal halt with nothing credible occurring. Just like the electoral college system, our two party system of government has become “ineffective” and totally “obsolete”. If it’s broken, it needs fixing.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmBartlebee: You know that the Russians and Chinese are just waiting for Bush to make the next wrong move which is an attack on Iran and suddenly “they’ll be over here” - just what Bush prophesized….”fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”…..Bush’s self-fulfilling prophesy about to come true.
His other self-fulfiller was AQ in Iraq. Of course, they weren’t there before we deposed Saddam.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:01 pmAny coincidence that Cheney is meeting with the super secret apocolypse crowd this weekend?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:02 pmHey Bart, no disrespect intended, but I think it’s time for you to crack open a cold one. I know it’s time for me.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:02 pmBartlebee: Perhaps you and I should begin a campaign to impeach Complicit Pelosi and Harry The Spineless?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:02 pmMuch like the Taliban was a terrorist org’n yet Bush felt it was ok to attack Afghanistan. If a country harbors terrorists then that country becomes a target. Even if they do so unwillingly.
Comment by Dave C — September 28, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Here.
Known terrorist. Harbored by the US. Pretty much willingly.
Welcome to the Target Club.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:03 pmUmmm…Le Canard Enchaîné is a *satirical* weekly.
Perhaps the Sun got punked?
My French is so dessicated (and I’m too tired) to try to read it and see if it is indeed “known for its investigative journalism” but I thought I might throw that in.
Maybe Norm Podhoretz is on the editorial board.
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September 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pmCandyce: Didn’t you mean Joseph “Deadeye” Goebbels??
September 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThat’s a libertarian for you. Always willing to give republicans the benefit of the doubt. Is this a coincidence? Libertarians believe in no regulations or constraints on corporate capitalism. So do republicans. Libertarians see public policy in terms of tax burden, not services rendered. So do republicans. Libertarians are large corporations’ best friends. So are republicans.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Years ago, I thought I might like being a Libertarian, largely based on a great essay “In Praise of Decadence” by Jeff Riggenbach and because some of the best political analysis and investigative reporting of the time (late 70s) appeared in magazines like Inquiry and Libertarian Review. And I listened to Jeff on the radio (and actually got to meet him, even scheduled him on a panel at a fantasy convention); he has the golden pipes and pretty much anything he said sounded convincing. And there are a couple of good, entertaining libertarian science fiction writers who managed to make their dream worlds sound pretty good.
Eventually, though, I realized that libertarianism is essentially a political theory to justify simple greed. There are also a lot of phony libertarians among the “conservatives”, who are seriously right wing authoritarians but want to justify the right to smoke cigars without paying taxes on them.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:05 pmWithin the $190 billion war budget being requested by ChimpCo is an extra $42 billion, above and beyond the amount requested in the budget from last year which is of course to cover for his new Iran interlude. Why is no one recognizing that the new war budget request is so very much higher than at any time in the past because it is an amount available for an expansion of Bush’s wars in the Middle East? The proof that an Iran war is imminent is right there in the budget.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:06 pmBartlebee: When has this two party system worked last?? Certainly not in the past 6 years? When I say “worked”, I mean that the people’s interests were represented.
Just take a look at the numbers of Independent voters today and ask yourself how well our two party system is working. It bears consideration to say the least.
And when I say that I feel the two party system is broken, it is a result of the pissing contest we witness each and every day. Backbiting, infighting, inane priorities, and absolutely nothing credible getting done.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:07 pmHere’s another no brainer: How long did Bush wait before beginning what he knew at the time was a highly illegal spy program on US citizens?? Answer: The first day he was in office.
Another no brainer: How long did it take the Chimp to determine who attacked the WTC on 911? Answer: Hours, if that. Maybe he got the answer from his mystical experience reading My Pet Goat in Sarasota, FL??
September 28th, 2007 at 8:09 pmThen comes the bomb in the states that they promote, followed by
. . . . (fill in the blank).
The dems are definitely bailing on.
Reid & Nancy = Bush administration’s very good friends.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:09 pmOne more parting shot: How long did it take Chimpy to concoct The Patriot Act following 911?? This is a toughie.
Answer: PNAC had the Patriot Act drafted and ready to go months before 911. Chimp was quoted as saying it would take “another Pearl Harbor type event” to get it enacted…..
And just like that, his fairy godfather (heh-hem) produced the event! Wow! Now this is really becoming that which fairy tales are made of.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:11 pmYes, Veritas, that would be the one.
To add more:
NEW YORK (AFP) — Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister said here Wednesday that Iran’s standoff with Western powers over its nuclear program is heading toward a “confrontation.”
Saudi Prince Saud al-Faisal met in New York with other Gulf foreign ministers as well as the chief diplomats of Jordan and Egypt, and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.
“We talked certainly about Iran with the Secretary Rice,” Prince Saud told reporters.
“Definitely what we are seeing is a confrontation in the making,” the prince said.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWhat I want to hear today, Bartlebee, is a group of Democrats screaming about the complicity of their own members? What I want to hear is a Republican with a conscience condemn what his administration has done (other than candidates running for office, that is!). What I want to hear is just one individual truly representing the will of the people. That’s what I want to hear.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:12 pmCandyce: And this “confrontation” is totally manipulated by the Bush Crime Cabal. No wonder americans are becoming expats by the droves!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:13 pmSorry I missed Cuomo’s delivery. Maybe we can find clips of it online. Post it if you can locate it. I’m off…catch you great TPers later! Peace!!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:15 pmCouldn’t be leaving at a more apropos time…I see Ms Rory/Trans JakeD has surfaced. Now the fecal material will hit the thread. Gang’s away!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:16 pmVeritas, I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. We are truly powerless.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:16 pmjust heard bernie sanders on thom hartmann (an XM rebroadcast) -
thom asked why the move-on resolution was allowed to get to the floor…
repugs (both parties) are allowed to bring up “so many” resolutions…
reid was unable to stop this from coming to the floor…
it was attached to the appropriations bill…
…
oh…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:18 pm.
Veritas, I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. We are truly powerless.
Comment by Candyce — September 28, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
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I agree. Sadly, I don’t think we have a representative form of government anymore.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:19 pmAnd the democratys aren’t gonna save us.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI’ll believe an attack on Iran when I see it.
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
In the meantime, Rory, do nothing. M’kay?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:20 pmgoodbye all you people…..
there’s nothing you can say……
to make them change…. their minds….. goodbye.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
… waiting to follow the worms
Scary image…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:20 pmFor so long, I’ve been voting for the “lesser of two evils”. The problem with that is that I have been voting for evil. Just a lesser one.
I don’t think I’m going to vote democrat again in 08. Maybe green…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSince I am advocating an attack on Iran, Zooey, why should I “do†anything?
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Pardon me, Rory! My bad. YOu should do one thing.
ENLIST.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pmZooey, here comes the part where “Rory” is too old to serve or he would.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:27 pmI’ll stick with your first suggestion, Zooey.
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
By all means, don’t leave your piss-soaked bed.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:29 pmHeh. You called it, Candyce. :D
September 28th, 2007 at 8:30 pmZooey, here comes the part where “Rory†is too old to serve or he would.
Comment by Candyce — September 28, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Or, cough cough, has an unfortunate medical problem that is so frustrating because he’d really like to mix it up with them evildoers. Sad.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:32 pmAt least not without being equipped for chemical warfare.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Heh. Beat me to it.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:33 pmBart,
Do you mean Whackjobs?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI think the system itself is ok, but something happened inside …
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
i think they are afraid of the bushco…
can you say “anthrax”?
leahy is STILL trying to find out who tried to killed him…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:35 pm…
UPDATE: The AP writes today, “In a setback for the United States, Iran won a two-month reprieve from new U.N. sanctions over its nuclear program on Friday. The Bush administration and its European allies ceded to Russian and Chinese demands to give Tehran more time to address international concerns. … The decision marks another blow for Washington in its diplomatic struggle to toughen existing U.N. sanctions on Iran.â€
What a bunch of wankers! (the AP, that is). This is a victory for “diplomatic struggles, albeit not Washingtons. Oh, yeah, forgot, that goes without saying: Washington has no diplomatic effort here, just a planned course of provocation leading to war….
Cheers,
September 28th, 2007 at 8:35 pmBart,
If I were in charge of making up what a “whackjob” is, I’m afraid you would be singing a different tune. Most likely higher…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:36 pmI’m a “her.â€
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Congratulations. No reason why you can’t enlist, though. Plenty of room for women at the front.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:36 pmOr, cough cough, has an unfortunate medical problem that is so frustrating because he’d really like to mix it up with them evildoers. Sad.
Comment by gummitch — September 28, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
A real American would get the surgery done on that butt pustule.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI’m a “her.â€
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Since you put “her” in quotation marks, is the matter in dispute?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI’m a “her.â€
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Transgender, Jake? Congrats!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:38 pm#35 Dave C:
If you google the words “attack iran imminent†you’ll get lots of hits from 2006 and early 2007. This isn’t the first time it has been predicted as being imminent.
You need more gingko biloba tea. I remember 2002 quite well myself, and see that the maladministration rolls these things out in a planned manner. We’re following almost an identical course, right down to the timeframe … if you’re paying attention, that is….
Cheers,
September 28th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBTW: Zooey, your first suggestion was “In the meantime, Rory, do nothing.â€
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Very good, Rory. You know how to cut & paste!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:41 pmWhat’d I do now?
BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Nothing, dear. I misread your comment. ;)
September 28th, 2007 at 8:42 pmRory is boring.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:43 pmThe decision marks another blow for Washington in its diplomatic struggle to toughen existing U.N. sanctions on Iran.â€
Well, sanity prevailed somewhere in this world. But I still wouldn’t put it past Bush to bomb them anyway. He has nothing at this point. He is dead as a president and it’s killing him. He needs to feel powerful again and this is how he plans to do it.
I really don’t understand why other countries are joining in on this insanity. Experts say that Iran is 7-10 years away from having the ability to make a bomb (if that’s what they are doing in the first place), so what in the hell is the hurry? Why start WWIII?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:43 pm#46 Dave C:
If a country harbors terrorists then that country becomes a target. Even if they do so unwillingly.
So when do the bombs start falling on Miami and Buffalo? Or Oklahoma City, for that matter. When will I get to park my car on the glass parking lot formerly known as Idaho?
Cheers,
September 28th, 2007 at 8:44 pmBory is it, Bart. Heh.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:46 pmThen we shall dub him “Boryâ€.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
Ex #1 used the term “boron” to refer to boring morons, often discovered at parties they weren’t invited to.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:46 pmIf it’s about cross-border activity, maybe we should attack the country which produces 45% of the foreign insurgents killing our soldiers - Saudi Arabia.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper —
September 28th, 2007 at 8:56 pmmost of us and for sure most around the world wonder why we struck Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia because of 9/11. Has this situation ever happened before in all of world history… NO.. only under the Bush regime.
Has this situation ever happened before in all of world history… NO.. only under the Bush regime.
Comment by had enough — September 28, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Don’t forget Hitler and Poland…
September 28th, 2007 at 8:59 pmleahy is STILL trying to find out who tried to killed him…
…Comment by katy — September 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
That was Daschle if memory serves me correctly.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 28, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
it was BOTH… and others…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:00 pm.
Heavens to Betsy, have we offended Bory? It seems to be gone…..
September 28th, 2007 at 9:01 pm“…a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities may be imminent.â€
I, for one, would very much like to know how the United States military proposes to install troops in what would certainly become a radioactive hotbed. Given that we are speaking of a campaign against nuclear facilities, there seems to be an alarming absence of thought in this regard as such destruction would effectively constitute a nuclear event that would border on (if not exceed) the scope of Chernobyl. It does not occur to anyone in the White House (or the press) that the impact of such an action is truly global in its ramifications. I could go on ad infinitum about the facts, but the fact is that once unleashed in such ferocious quantities, these materials are deadly to all, be they in the surrounding deserts or in air-conditioned newsrooms thousands of miles away.
The mere contemplation of this option is, to say the least, counterintuitive and positively mindless.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:02 pmfrom the wiki:
September 28th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThe 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its FBI case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. The crime remains unsolved. Senator Patrick Leahy, one of the recipients of an anthrax letter, publicly stated just before the sixth anniversary of the case that he believes people within the US government know the source of the anthrax powder.
The mere contemplation of this option is, to say the least, counterintuitive and positively mindless.
Comment by xenon — September 28, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Unfortunately, is that not a pretty good definition of the Bush Admin in general?
September 28th, 2007 at 9:05 pmkaty,
I bet the government does know….
September 28th, 2007 at 9:07 pmkaty, I bet the government does know….
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
and we wonder what the congress is afraid of…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pm…
well, i don’t …
.
I bet the government does know….
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
They don’t know much but they probably know that.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:09 pmThey’re just not releasing that info because somehow it makes Repubs look bad….er, worse. Ugh.
The only victims were Democrats, right?
September 28th, 2007 at 9:13 pmThis attack on Iran has been “imminent” for about 4 years now.
In the words of a famous world leader we all know and love “bring ‘em on”.
I for one can’t wait to see the Russians and the Chinese start warming their nukes up over this one.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:18 pmPoland was working on nuclear weapons, and THAT’S why Hitler invaded?! Here I thought Ahmadinejad was the most crazy person around?
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Boring AND dumb. Sorry Bory, that’s gotta be pretty tough on a “gal” like you.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe administration that cried wolf.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:26 pmI was not the one who brought up Poland in the first place. The Republic of Stupidity is crazier than Ahmadinejad.
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
And rather than just asking what TRoS meant by that statement, you just invented a whacky context for it. Yeah, that makes perfect sense……not.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:31 pmUh huh, Rory. We’ll be pining ’til you get back….
September 28th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWish I could stay, but it’s a Friday night. See y’all!
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Like you have a life - now that’s a good joke!
September 28th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI was not the one who brought up Poland in the first place. The Republic of Stupidity is crazier than Ahmadinejad.
Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
Ah, little girl. You whine enough that all I hear is Ahmadinejad when I read your words… Boring ZZZzzzzz….
September 28th, 2007 at 9:42 pmLike you have a life - now that’s a good joke!
Comment by Ryan Neat — September 28, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
He’s busy, Ryan… blowing up “Dolly, the Inflatable Sheep”.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:43 pmWelcome back, Ryan Neat!!
September 28th, 2007 at 9:44 pmPoland was working on nuclear weapons, and THAT’S why Hitler invaded?! Here I thought Ahmadinejad was the most crazy person around? Comment by Rory — September 28, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
If Hitler knew about nuclear weapons, you can be assured he would have claimed it to be true - just like you modern wingnuts! He did declare poland a threat to security though and invaded them even though they were hardly a threat - sound familiar?
Poor little girl, you so do love to embarrass yourself here, don’t you child?
September 28th, 2007 at 9:44 pmWelcome back, Ryan Neat!!
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
I’m glad to be back - registration - yeah!
Finally at least some of the worst trolls might be evicted, so I figured it was a good time to rejoin all of you folks that stayed during ‘the dark times’…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:45 pmThis is what happens when you “elect” CRAZY people.
Truly , many Americans are still to blame for bring in these FREAKY lunatics into OUR government!
September 28th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHe’s busy, Ryan… blowing up “Dolly, the Inflatable Sheepâ€.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 28, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Well she claims to be a girl, so it’s more likely she’s getting out her 240v ‘personal-massager’ for the night…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:46 pmso it’s more likely she’s getting out her 240v ‘personal-massager’ for the night…
Comment by Ryan Neat — September 28, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
No doubt, the “King Dong” model…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pmFinally at least some of the worst trolls might be evicted, so I figured it was a good time to rejoin all of you folks that stayed during ‘the dark times’…
Comment by Ryan Neat — September 28, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Some of us have only recently returned. TP went through some really tough times.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:49 pmBesides, Nazis said that they were saving Polish people from the barbarism and inferiority of Jews. And they were giving, kindly, the virtues and delight of Goethe´s language to East Europe…
ahhhh, the similarities…
September 28th, 2007 at 9:49 pmHow do you guys know so much about vibrators?
September 28th, 2007 at 9:53 pmHow do you guys know so much about vibrators?
Comment by Zooey
Daryll told us about Rio de Janeiro.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:57 pmDaryll told us about Rio de Janeiro.
Comment by Juan C. — September 28, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
Oy, he learned a lot in the favelas. :D
September 28th, 2007 at 9:58 pmHow do you guys know so much about vibrators?
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Hey, I know about the situation in Iraq, and I haven’t been there. You forget we progressives have the skills to read, and we aren’t afraid to use them! ;)
September 28th, 2007 at 10:01 pmFinally at least some of the worst trolls might be evicted, so I figured it was a good time to rejoin all of you folks that stayed during ‘the dark times’…
Comment by Ryan Neat — September 28, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
welcome back! although i’ve had a feeling you’ve been
“with us” for quite some time… another guise perhaps?
if not - WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?
September 28th, 2007 at 10:03 pm…
Hey, I know about the situation in Iraq, and I haven’t been there. You forget we progressives have the skills to read, and we aren’t afraid to use them! ;)
Comment by Ryan Neat — September 28, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
**snort**
September 28th, 2007 at 10:07 pmThe US government wants to attack Iran. Bush and Hillary are both controlled by AIPAC. When will America wake up to the fact that its foreign policy is in the hands of a foreign country?
September 28th, 2007 at 10:16 pmryan - i should’ve added a smiley face there…
:-)
…
time to walk the doggy…
then maher… then, probably, pass out… i’m beat…
g’nite all…
September 28th, 2007 at 10:18 pmOy, he learned a lot in the favelas. :D
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Favelas… fallafals… what’s the difference? Jes’ a couple of letters…
September 28th, 2007 at 10:18 pmOr a couple of inches…..
September 28th, 2007 at 10:22 pmOr a couple of inches…..
Comment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Ouch… or as they say in Scotland…
Oooochmon..
September 28th, 2007 at 10:27 pmFavelas… fallafals… what’s the difference? Jes’ a couple of letters…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 28, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Republic, your comments are usually right on target and I enjoy reading them. Not this one; favelas are, if you didn’t know, Brazilian slums on the hill. It’s not just a matter of “a couple of letters”. Be careful next time, you hear?
September 28th, 2007 at 10:29 pmGood to see you back Ryan………Blessings
September 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pmfavelas are, if you didn’t know, Brazilian slums on the hill. It’s not just a matter of “a couple of lettersâ€. Be careful next time, you hear?
Comment by foreyes — September 28, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
I know what favelas are and how nasty life can be in them. It was a play on words, not a put-down on the people who live in them. There’s a troll named “Daryll” who comes here all the time, and he’s always talking about going to Brazil to cure tha “homo-sexuals”.
I’ve also lived w/ real poverty in my life. Haven’t been a homeless street kid in Rio, but you can be painfully poor in this country too. Trust me. I’ve been there.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:42 pmAnd Hillary voted for it.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pmIf “Daryll ” shows up again and rails against the “homo-sexuals”, you will find me fighting on your side. What more can I say?
September 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pmIf he keeps going, Dubya will have more failed wars than he had dry oil wells with his failed companies, funded by the Bin Laden family.
Now, THAT would be funny… if it wasn’t so f’ing sad.
Comment by upside99 — September 28, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Yup.
The Bush Crime Family–70 Years of unamerican fascist TREASON (TM).
September 28th, 2007 at 11:28 pmWhat more can I say?
Comment by foreyes — September 28, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
Understood.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:36 pmFormer national security adviser Brzezinski said it well, U.S. is in danger of ’stampeding’ to war with Iran. “I think the administration, the president and the vice president particularly, are trying to hype the atmosphere, and that is reminiscent of what preceded the war in Iraq,”. All of this due to the influence and access AIPAC and the Neocons have to our foreign policy. It seems at this point that it is matter of time before we hit Iran, in your opinion how close our we to bombing Iran? http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=581
September 29th, 2007 at 12:47 amFormer national security adviser Brzezinski said it well, U.S. is in danger of ’stampeding’ to war with Iran. “I think the administration, the president and the vice president particularly, are trying to hype the atmosphere, and that is reminiscent of what preceded the war in Iraq,”. All of this due to the influence and access AIPAC and the Neocons have to our foreign policy. It seems at this point that it is matter of time before we hit Iran, in your opinion how close our we to bombing Iran? http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=581
September 29th, 2007 at 12:47 amThe Sun maybe telling the truth. Congress gave emergency funding to Bush on Friday of 9 billion. Plus allowed Bush to confiscate 70 billion from allocated funds for bridge repairs. He would need this money badly if war on Iran is just hours or days away.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:42 am>Rory is a man. Its Tracy’s altar ego.
Is tracy jake? Because in one of “her” first posts, Rory asked “anyone else?” at the end of the post, just like jake has a habit of doing..
September 29th, 2007 at 6:58 amDemocrats betrayed their voters…it is a simple as this, they calimed to stop the Iraqi war ,a promise that gave them the win of the House and Senate, but now they turned their backs on their voters and now instead calling for another war,after they won.
It is interesting that nothing has changed since last elections of 2006…
It was Senator Lieberman on October 11,2002(he was a Democrat then), who gave Bush and Cheney the authorization they needed to start a war with Iraq,by sponsering a Senate resolution to topple Saddam Hussein.
Now the same Lieberman (now Independent) who sponsered 2007 Senate resolution setting up Bush and Cheney for another war with Iran.
It made no difference whether Lieberman (D) or (I), Democrats followed him with the big support.
And when you hear Hillary, for example , shouting that she is the one that will stop the Iraqi war…don’t believe her…look at her record. And that goes for many who betrayed their voters.
After 9 months in power, Democrats did nothing to stop, or slow this war in Iraq.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:00 amThey spent billions and billions of dollars instead financing this war, and now they are getting us set up in another bigger conflict with Iran,which nobody who voted can predict,or know what are the consequences of his vote or what this war might bring.
But looking at the past rosy pictures drawn,predictions and promises given about previous conflicts,one must be extremely worried and concerned about what this coming conflict with Iran will bring.
Say–that’s some kinda MEAN MOUTH you’ve got there, Tarazan!
In fact, the Democrats in Congress have done a bang-up job. With only a marginal majority, and a resolutely obstructionist Republican minority, they still fought the administration’s agenda to an historic degree:
“President Bush’s success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.
“So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.”
September 29th, 2007 at 8:54 amhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/ duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/ documents/ cqt/ news110-000002576765.html
#210, Perry,
You can list all kind of statistics you want , the thrust of my argument was that they (Democrats) did nothing tangible regarding this war in Iraq…nothing to end or slow this war in iraq.
In fact we have more troops in Iraq now than when Democrats took over the House and Senate ,
September 29th, 2007 at 9:24 amand we have spent tens of billions of dollars more.
I also read some statstics ..which says that voters are angry with Democrats,and their approval ratings is down due to what I said,
‘am I making this up !!!..
Go and read,and educate yourself before you post and get ANGRY.
I am not like you who is a one party man..I have the freedom to vote whom I think is the best.
To call me a MEAN MOUTH for stating the obvious !! I was not talking about Democrats unity data or anything like that you posted…I was making the correlation between the situation in Iraq,and the promise Democrats made.
If you don’t understand that…get you a cup of cool aid.
BEIJING — China will soon create one of the world’s largest investment funds, with ramifications for global stock, bond and commodities markets and for how the U.S. finances its trade deficits.
Finance Minister Jin Renqing said on Friday the aim is to make more profitable use of its $1 trillion in foreign currency reserves that have piled up as it posted huge trade surpluses year after year. Most of those funds are now parked in safe, but relatively low-yielding U.S. Treasury securities and other dollar-denominated assets.
“We can achieve more profit from the investments,†Jin said at a news conference. “We are now preparing the organization of this new corporation.â€
Bernake’s reaction to the economic downturn in America was to LOWER the interest rates. Now it is China’s move.
September 29th, 2007 at 9:55 amI’m begging you all–please, please don’t even bother to read Rory’s comments. Above all, don’t comment on his comments. I love hearing from the rest of you, but once you start responding to Rory’s jabs, the thread degenerates into a grade-school playground fight, and it’s no longer worth reading. Just when I thought it was safe to come back to reading Think Progress’s comments, I find Jake’s reincarnation busily at work again and too many of you letting him goad you into responding to him.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:10 amThe Dumbocrats are as inept as the Repukes, when it is time to look out for the best interests of this country. My sugestion is to vote for NO INCUMBENTS in the upcoming election!! It may well be too late, we are slipping down an increasingly slippery slope to obvilion.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWho is gonna fight the Iran war? Surely not any of the shit heel, NeoCons or their children. Perhaps some of the scum bag trolls that frequent this site will rush down to the recruiter and sign up.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pmyea… i’m gonna take advice from a scaredy-cat
who calls me a “dumbocrat”… sure thing…
… sarc…
thanks for your concern, though…
September 29th, 2007 at 7:57 pm…
Here’s a fantasy to ponder. Since our Generals are in conflict with Bush Team, and since Adm Fallon (I think) said there won’t be any attack against Iran on his watch, THEN what if the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or Pentagon Big Guys, threatened to arrest Bush/Cheney/Neocons for a War Crimes trial if they order the Iran war? What if they threaten a coup? I think there is some real serious conflict between the Military and the Executive Office. Too far fetched???
September 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pm