Do Rush’s Senate Friends Still Think ‘There’s Nothing Inflammatory About Anything’ He Says?
Do Rush’s Senate Friends Still Think ‘There’s Nothing Inflammatory About Anything’ He Says?
Last week, 72 senators voted to condemn an ad by MoveOn.org with a resolution repudiating “any effort to attack the honor and integrity” of “all members of the United States Armed Forces.”
On the Senate floor and in the press, Sen. John Cornyn, who introduced the bill, was vitriolic in his rhetoric towards the ad, calling it a “a despicable political attack” that “crossed a historic line of decency.” He was joined in raucous condemnation by his Senate colleagues:
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY): “This amendment gives our colleagues a chance to distance themselves from these despicable tactics, distance themselves from the notion that some group has them on a leash.”
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): “It is MoveOn that is the disgrace. And I think it is important that the entire Congress publicly repudiate these absurd charges.”
During the September 26 edition of his radio show, right-wing standard bearer Rush Limbaugh claimed that service members who support U.S. withdrawal from Iraq are actually “phony soldiers.” On the House floor last night, Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) asked if those “who showed so much outrage towards MoveOn.org…will hold Rush Limbaugh to the same standard?”
There is a particular onus for Cornyn, McConnell and Hatch to put themselves on the record regarding Limbaugh, considering the fond relationship they’ve had with him in the past:
- “It dawned on me that Daschle’s probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh. I mean, there’s nothing particularly inflammatory about anything Rush Limbaugh says,” said McConnell in 2002. [Fox News Sunday 11/24/02]
- In 2002, Limbaugh headlined a fundraiser for Cornyn “where he predictably lambasted Democrats and liberals and helped raise almost $200,000″ for the soon-to-be Senator. “We need a Republican senate,” Limbaugh said at the event. [San Antonio Express-News 9/22/02]
- “I thank my father in heaven every day for people like you, Rush Limbaugh and others,” Hatch told Hannity in 2002 [Newhouse News Service 11/21/02]
Several Democratic members of Congress have already denounced Limbaugh’s comments and the White House is distancing itself from him. But Rush is refusing to apologize.
Will Cornyn, McConnell and Hatch step up and hold their friend Rush to the same standard they laid out in their “Sense of the Senate” resolution?
UPDATE: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is calling on Limbaugh to apologize, telling Time.com’s Ana Marie Cox that “it reflects very poorly on him” and “he would be well advised to retract it and apologize.”
UPDATE II: Mitt Romney’s camp has now weighed in on Limbaugh’s comment, saying that “Romney would disagree with the negative characterization of those men and women who serve with honor and distinction in the United States Military.”
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“Sense of the Senate†= No Sense
September 28th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWhy are we still talking about t his?
September 28th, 2007 at 4:14 pmMove on, dot orgs!!
September 28th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Uh, that would be a negative.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThis is particularly egregious since when going after Moveon.org, the senators kept saying that an insult to Patreus is an insult to the troops. Now, Rush directly insulted troops.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWill Cornyn, McConnell and Hatch step up and hold their friend Rush to the same standard they laid out in their “Sense of the Senate†resolution?
Of course not. Excuses will be made for him, if they are forced to talk about their friend at all. I don’t think any of the senators will actually agree with Rush about soldiers being “phony”, but they will claim he was quoted out of context. Or they will suddenly be filled with a desire to get “real work” done in the Senate and say they don’t have time to waste on a resolution condemning Rush.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pmRush doesn’t need to apologize. He has every right to say what he said.
MoveOn doesn’t need to apologize, as they have the right to print their ad.
However, Congress and the Republicans need to be held accountable for their actions. If they are to criticize MoveOn for their attack, they need to criticize Rush.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:24 pmYou know, When they did away with the fairness in reporting doctrine they should have expected such things to occur, but now, to side with one rant or another…codemn one while applauding another?
Its makes congress look like hypocrites..and I know congress does not want to seem hypocritical do they?
September 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmRush needs to go back on the hillbilly heroin and stooping little boys in South America. He was funnier then.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmDoes the Republican side of our government have the courage to do as the Democrats have done?
September 28th, 2007 at 4:29 pmDid he apologize for mocking Michael J. Fox? or for his little racist ditty about Barrack Obama? or any other of his racist comments or slander against all those who dare disagree with the dog-doo-ma of the radical right? Limbaugh is a bloviating toad. One can only hope that the exposure he and his bigoted comrades enjoy might open the eyes of those Americans who still believe such biased rhetoric.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmIts makes congress look like hypocrites..and I know congress does not want to seem hypocritical do they?
Comment by Xisithrus — September 28, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
They’re used to it by now.
Water off a duck’s back…..
September 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThat’s at the heart of the matter. If the Repubs don’t step up and condemn Rush, then all of their histrionics over the NYT ad is just hot air.
As I see it, they have two choices - either condemn Rush or issue an apology to Move On. If they can’t do either one, then their credibility is shot and that fact should be shouted from the roof tops.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmComment by Zooey — September 28, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Helloooo Zooey, how are you?
I have tried to get a password for your site, apparently wordpress.com hates me, lol.
Water off a duck’s back…..-Zoo
Ahh, but I have a much more repellent back than they!
September 28th, 2007 at 4:35 pmGOOD!
Let these Republicants stand by Rush’s un-American comments.
Come re-election time we had best see the Democrats step up and run ads against them showing these Republicans in support of these disgusting statements!
It’s waaayyy beyond the time to begin playing hardball, people.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmImagine me, a hoi polloi [sp?] with more anti-hypocrisy than they.
Cmon Repubs show me your anti-hypocrisy!! I dare you.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmComment by Xisithrus — September 28, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
I hope you’ll keep trying! You’d be a huge asset at the Zoo. :)
September 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pmSenate allows Americans to know the new rules. MoveOn.org isn’t allowed to tell the truth but Limbaugh the Republican who molest kids overseas and brings money to the Senator can say what ever he wants. Notice why Gonzales never bothered child molester because of the elected officials, employees of the US government and friends are committing the crimes. Rush knows he can say what ever he wants and do what he was because the Republicans will protect and support him no matter what.
This is what Republicans mean when they say
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS
September 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pmA non story!!! Rush was ONLY talking about ONE person!
Nice try!!
But how about racist John Edwards’ latest!
“pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two”
September 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI hope you’ll keep trying! You’d be a huge asset at the Zoo. :)
Comment by Zooey
I’m pretty good at computers zoo, but just dont know why wordpress.com wont send me an email with password or create an account. TYVM for your kind words.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThere is a difference here. The Reps agree with Rush’s comments so they don’t feel it necessary to condemn him. They disagreed with MoveOn.Org. That’s the basic premise at work here. Rush speaks to their base so they don’t want to criticize him. They didn’t give a sh!t about MoveOn either but they hoped to spin their contempt to make a point. Just look at Walter Reed to see how well the Reps support the troops. Only a moron would listen to what they say rather then look at what they do. And they’re counting on that, they’re hoping for the moron vote. Which is why they attended the NRA debate. Their base doesn’t care that they skipped a debate on black issues, or Hispanic issues or gay issues. Mind you, their base is also too dumb to realize that unless they’re millionaires the Reps don’t give a sh!t about them either.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmA non story!!! Rush was ONLY talking about ONE person!
You call that an argument? Wow that is the most pathetic comeback I’ve seen all year. You’re a joke.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pmA non story!!! Rush was ONLY talking about ONE person!
Nice try!!
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But its already a story..
Rush “talked” to one person and which his “VIEW” of many became known.
By your logic moveon took out ONLY one ad
nice try
September 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThey also need to condem Ted Nugent for his threats on the lifes of democratic presiidential candidates. And the Secret Service needs to be all over him too. Thus far…nnothing.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnd the Secret Service needs to be all over him too. Thus far…nnothing.
Comment by Severus — September 28, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
The Secret Service knows an impotent threat when they hear one.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmJohn Kerry if your gonna post such dribble, then please include a link and your party preference.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmin the Senate……………………………..the sound of crickets.
Hokay gang, I’m out of here for the weekend. On the bus to DC to protest at the White House tomorrow. Look for me in the news & websites about it.
Keep fighting the good fight here, while I’m gone.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmMaybe WordPress needs some phonetic coaching, Zithithrus… ;)
September 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmTed Nugent crapped on himself for a week so he wouldn’t have to crap on himself when the bullets flew around his had in Vietnam.
Hes a coward trying not to be by feigning patriotism.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pmNice try yourself. Rush said (and I quote) “Phoney Soldiers” - note the “s” at the end? That means more than one. We know all about the “MacBeth” talking point. It won’t work.
And you want us to read between the lines with Rush’s statements, but you can’t do the same for Edwards? It’s clear that Edwards is concerned about the path that these young men are headed down and unless something is done, there will be no hope for them.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pmKeep fighting the good fight here, while I’m gone.
Comment by Uncle Ho — September 28, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Have a great time, Uncle Ho — and take pictures!
September 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmTed Nugent couldn’t whack his way out of a two story heated and plumbed deer blind.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmHe’s a big blowhard.
To many journeys to the center of his mind.
Maybe WordPress needs some phonetic coaching, Zithithrus… ;)
Comment by Nevar
Well I have tried several times, drunk and not drunk, IE: Zithithrus and Xisithrus =) So I agree Raven. I notice TP had the same problem with your moniker?
September 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pm(A non story!!! Rush was ONLY talking about ONE person!)
Wasn’t the MoveOn ad ONLY about ONE person also?
September 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmYes, I had to turn mine upside down… actually I think they were having their fun, my karma coming back to me for all the creative screen names…
September 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmTo many journeys to the center of his mind. -Raven
But here is the truth, he did not ‘know’ the center of his mind.
How can I explain..Our minds are chaotic and only in a void only does order exist. The cave of brahma as some say. The universe another.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmcaption:
“This is not a phony tie! It’s a genuine original Jerry Falwell!”
September 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmYes, I had to turn mine upside down… actually I think they were having their fun, my karma coming back to me for all the creative screen names…
Comment by Nevar — September 28, 2007
Quite possibly, I notice vowel flipping, Raven reversed, is never.
Never is also infinite. =)
September 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWe knew Ted was gonzo when he started having conversations with Fred Bear.
Years after Fred went to the happy hunting grounds.
(Where I’m sure he is still being stalked by lion, tigers, bears, elephants and raging moose…)
September 28th, 2007 at 5:05 pmNevar is the phonetic assistance I’ve offered to the thick-tongued Yale alumni out there.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmMatt, you really ought to stop spreading this false allegation against Rush. Many in the military love him and you know Media Matters only posted a partial transcript leaving out that he was talking about Jesse MacBeth as a “phony soldier”.
You really should be ashamed of ourself but we in the Army expect nothing less from you libs.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI’m sure you have the links to transcripts that back up those claims, right?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHey TheToonGuy!
Do me a favor, ok. I know it might take a little effort. But go and actually LISTEN to Rush’s comment. When you do you’ realize that he was NOT talking about ALL soldiers. On the contrary, unlike left nut libs like you, he is FOR our soldiers but NOT for the “phony” ones your lib press comes up with.
The MOVEON ad was just simply unpatriotic but just shows what the far left nuts are all about.
RUSH RULES!!
September 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmromney simply disagrees? no outrage? F u c K republicans.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmhe was talking about Jesse MacBeth as a “phony soldierâ€.
Comment by Amy P
That is false, Rush accused all ‘leftists’ meaning democrats because of something I never read that he attributed to to a whole party.
Its pundit crap, dont DEFEND PUNDITS, he is trying to give life to the debunked liberal media myth.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI should heed my own words. There’s no point in arguing with trolls - they won’t listen, but cling so desparately to the talking points fed to them from their authoritarian masters.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:26 pmRUSH RULES!!
Comment by John Kerry
Fake Liberal, Rush has helped create a huge deficxit and bigger government, are you blind?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmrush-loving moron: “Do me a favor, ok. I know it might take a little effort. But go and actually LISTEN to Rush’s comment.”
Hey stupid, they guy says “SOLDIERS WHO QUESTION THE MISSION ARE PHONY SOLDIERS.”
Spin all you want, liar. You and your moronic idle are simply liars.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pmNo sense wasting my valuable time with you left nutters!!
You now know it’s impossible to make a big deal out of nothing! Rush as usual was right!
CASE CLOSED!!
September 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmGAO: Wounded vets still getting shoddy treatment.
This was a thread earlier in the week. Only 20 posts, all in defense of the soldiers and disgust in this administration’s handling of them after being wounded.
None of the alarmists that are posting here to defend Rush were posting there.
selective patriotism? Or marching orders from the king dittohead himself.
phony patriots.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmRush was right. If you are refering to his political views then you are absolutely correct. After that you just become a cheerleader for the blind.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by John Kerry — September 28, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Remember this??
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rantical.com/rantpix-02/bandaid.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ep-rants.blogspot.com/ 2004_09_01_archive.html&h=268&w=257&sz=16&hl=en&start=4&sig2=WkbEZkSXbeDKZPJgbKfo2g&tbnid=8aHi6×0VhRmIRM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=108&ei=7XH9RtDnO5OCeKfq7aAD&prev=/ images%3Fq%3Djohn%2Bkerry%2Bpurple%2Bheart%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive
Just another example of how little the Republicans actually respect our military. But, I know, its okay, because the entire GOP was only trivializing the injuries of one former soldier who was running for President.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pmPoor John Kerry, not going to waste his valuable time. I am sure it is valuable, probably in the single digits per hour, but I bet he can really change a flat tire in no time.
FO redneck. See you in November of 08, crying in your Keystone Light.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:37 pmI doubt any of you care about the truth, but just in case…..
Rush was talking about phony soldier Jesse MacBeth. MacBeth portrayed himself as a decorated Iraq war veteran who opposed the war. Since “Corporal” MacBeth fit the left’s anti-war template, the liberal media lapped up his lies. The truth? Mr. MacBeth was just sentenced to five months in jail for being…a phony soldier. MacBeth never served in Iraq, never won a Purple Heart, never reached the rank of corporal, was never an Army Ranger — and therefore never could have witnessed war crimes against Iraqi civilians as he claimed. In fact, MacBeth washed out of Army boot camp after 44 days.
watch clip in context at http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair%2Ecom%2Farchives%2F2007%2F09%2F28%2Fmedia%2Dmatters%2Dleads%2Ddishonest%2Dsmear%2Don%2Drush%2Dlimbaughs%2Dphony%2Dsoldiers%2Dline%2F
Must the media lie to sell their liberal message??
September 28th, 2007 at 5:38 pmibuprofen, this is from the transcript:
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.
Notice how soldiers is plural.
Must you spin to sell your false views?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmrush-loving moron: “No sense wasting my valuable time with you left nutters!!”
Yeah, run away you rush-loving, moronic coward. Typical. Stupid AND cowardly. Great job representin’
September 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmOh that is absolutely hillarious! More fanmail from the ditto heads…
September 28th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThat’s rush-loving morons for you. Play the tape, show the transcript, whatever. It just doesn’t matter to these morons because they’re craaaaazzzzzyyyyy! Rush spins for them and they quickly fall in line. They simply cannot think for themselves.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI’d like to see the rightwing nuts defend Rush Limp-baugh and this one. Of course they will say that his words were taken out of context or some other bull to try to avoid taking responsibility for what this COWARD said. And I mean COWARD in every since of the word. I’m calling you out Rush, YOU COWARD. How dare you criticise our troops while they are fighting a war. This is exactly what’s wrong with people on the right saying we can’t disagree with Gen. Petraeus.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI doubt any of you care about the truth, but just in case…..
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
I care about the truth. And it does appear that Rush qualified his “phony soldiers” statement to mean soldiers like McBeth that lie about their military experience. That does change the context of what he was saying. I guess because he’s such a pr1ck day in & day out people are willing to jump on him regardless of his intent on any given day. I’d prefer a clean slam, one that stands on its merit. This doesn’t appear to be one. Perhaps the reaction from the left is like the reaction to OJ this time in court… most feel he was guilty in the past & eluded doing time so they’re willing to slam him for anything he does, much like Rush & Oxycontin. He will get his day of reckoning, this just doesn’t appear to be it. I look forward to that day though.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pmIbuprofen, you sir are a lying f*ck. No, really.
Jesse MacBeth had nothing to do with Rush’s tirade.
Read the transcript and STFU. I cut it out for yu so you don’t have to use the Google.
LIMBAUGH: “Save the — keep the troops safe” or whatever. I — it’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:48 pmI’ve figured out why Limbaugh used the plural. MacBeth had a mouse in his pocket. Case closed, eh?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pmDo Rush’s Senate Friends Still Think ‘There’s Nothing Inflammatory About Anything’ He Says?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:51 pmHow can they not see what a liability he is? Rush is still obviously using… his show is not filled with facts as progressive radio, but hateful slurs towards those that do not have his beliefs. I hope Rush remains on his show for some time as he reflects the real truth of what the repukes are all about.
These jackass conservatives are always talking about “context” these days. O’Reilly, Imus, Limpballs, Foley, Larry Craig… context people, context.
You see, if we ONLY understood the context, we’d see that these people are not lying, disgusting, racist, perverted pieces of crap. They’re better than that!
September 28th, 2007 at 5:52 pmInteresting idea, but he said “troops”, as in plural. Oh, wait… does he have the same speech dysfunction as your President? As in “Childrens do learn”?
Nice try, yourself.
I fail to see how that is racist. Are you one of the childrens that do learn?
Sure is an imaginative name you used, cementhead.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pmBy these sycophants’ definition Pat Tillman was a phony soldier. He was against Bush’s War, he said it was illegal.
Kill those phony soldiers! How dare they challenge the wisdom of our God Bush!
You cyst sucking losers are despicable. I can’t believe I have to share my country with such brownshirt, simpletons in deperate need of authority.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:54 pmWhen Clinton became president, Rush, speaking of Clinton’s teenage daughter, said, “there’s a new dog in the Whitehouse.” Now, if we would simply calm down and understand the context of that statement, I suppose we would understand that Rush is not a big, fat pig, right Dave C?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:55 pmSure - McCain and Romney know that the longer the hypocrisy of the Repukes remains in the headlines, the more people will leave the Republican Party. I don’t think many people today enjoy being labeled “hypocrites” which has now become synonymous with Republicans.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:56 pmnature Rules: there have been others. One recently in the news was, I believe
September 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pma writer for the New Republic, using fictional military accounts to spread the anti war message…. In any case you show your on intellectual dishonesty if you listen to the whole clip but still maintain that Rush was calling Iraqi War veterans whom oppose the war “phony soldiers”
And, while they’re at it they can begin to apologize to Max Cleland and John Kerry, too. It amazes me to see how draft dodgers and people who never served have the balls to swiftboat a true patriot. This is a sign that this country has lost it’s way.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI don’t think many people today enjoy being labeled “hypocrites†which has now become synonymous with Republicans.
Comment by Veritas — September 28, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Along with immoral, dishonest, closeted, uncaring, chickenhawk. To add a few more to that list.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pmRush, speaking of Clinton’s teenage daughter, said, “there’s a new dog in the Whitehouse.â€
September 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
And she was only 13 years old at that time. Shows what a real bastard he is.
Actually, I would agree with those of you who think Rush should stay where he is. Just imagine the incredible damage he continues to do to his party. Combine him with Bush/Cheney and the dispicable criminal republicans (anyone see the latest on McHenry’s voter fraud??) and soon that 28% of Reg. Repukes will be in the teens. By 08, I suspect that it will be.
September 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThat’s funny - A big fat disgusting pig calling a 13 year old a dog - Wow! What the hell was Rush ingesting then?
September 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHey Upside! Yes, we need to develop a list of synonyms and descriptive adjectives for Rethugs. I think they’ve a corner on the market of negative vocab.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by Veritas — September 28, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
And I loved his comments after the ‘06 elections when he said he was tired of carrying water for the Repugs and they let him down. He has continued to carry enough H2O since then to fill the Grand Canyon.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmWhen Clinton became president, Rush, speaking of Clinton’s teenage daughter, said, “there’s a new dog in the Whitehouse.†Now, if we would simply calm down and understand the context of that statement, I suppose we would understand that Rush is not a big, fat pig, right Dave C?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
No, I wouldn’t agree with that statement. Have you listened to the link given?
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair%2Ecom%2Farchives%2F2007%2F09%2F28%2Fmedia%2Dmatters%2Dleads%2Ddishonest%2Dsmear%2Don%2Drush%2Dlimbaughs%2Dphony%2Dsoldiers%2Dline%2F
If you do, and I’m assuming it’s not edited, you’ll see that he mentions “phony soldiers” and then describes McBeth. That was a soldier who lied about being in Iraq and lied about what happened in Iraq. That would justify the term “phony soldier” as it applies to McBeth and anyone else who does not fight in Iraq but pretends that they do. I would never want to be put in the position of defending a POS like Rush but in this case, if you listen to the full transcript, I think you’ll see my point.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmGuy who calls himself a dangerous drug: Limbaugh: “The phony soldiers.”
Since you may be a little woozy from the painkillers, let me spell it out for you. The ’s’ at the end of the word ’soldier’ means plural. He’s calling the seven soldiers, two of whom have already been killed, “phonies.”
Get it, dumbass? If you don’t get it, just f*ck off!
September 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYou do yourself a disservice if you won’t even listen to the clip. At least do that and then give your opinion. It seems the link I posted above doesn’t work. I’ll repost it or find it above in a previous post.
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair%2Ecom%2Farchives%2F2007%2F09%2F28%2Fmedia%2Dmatters%2Dleads%2Ddishonest%2Dsmear%2Don%2Drush%2Dlimbaughs%2Dphony%2Dsoldiers%2Dline%2F
September 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmDave C: “you’ll see that he mentions “phony soldiers†and then describes McBeth.”
Seven soldiers wrote the op-ed, hence the ’s’ behind the word soldier. McBeth is just one soldier. And, again, two of the soldiers who wrote the op-ed have already been killed. If you don’t want to be in the position of defending Rush, then f*cking stop defending him!
September 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmDave C said:
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I care about the truth. And it does appear that Rush qualified his “phony soldiers†statement to mean soldiers like McBeth that lie about their military…
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Great! I glad there is at least one intellectual honest liberal among you! Maybe there is hope for America after all
September 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmI doubt any of you care about the truth, but just in case…..
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
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The video you link here is not from the actual show where he said it. It’s a video of him trying to cover his ass after the fact. I don’t understand why you would link this as proof of anything…
September 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI don’t understand why you would link this as proof of anything…
Comment by DigDug — September 28, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Because it is the Repuglican Way! The truth is only what they create it to be.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pmSeven soldiers wrote the op-ed, hence the ’s’ behind the word soldier. McBeth is just one soldier. And, again, two of the soldiers who wrote the op-ed have already been killed. If you don’t want to be in the position of defending Rush, then f*cking stop defending him!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Sigh. I’m on your side dude. But that doesn’t mean you’re right all the time. Nor am I. If 7 soldiers write an op-ed, and one of them lies about his involvement in the war and I say that that person is one of the “phony soldiers” that I hate, then that doesn’t mean I’m referring to the 7 writers. Just slow down & think. Better to nail Limbaugh for actual crimes rather then run with partial truths. If you acknowledge that Jessie MacBeth is in fact phony then you can’t argue the term. And adding the “s” to “soldier” doesn’t give any specificity to the statement. If black guys walk up to me and one kicks me in the balls and I say I hate a$$holes like that that doesn’t mean I hate all black guys. I just hate the dudes that are kicking my balls. Don’t attack me just because I disagree with you, it only makes you look bad. I assume you have watched that video now right? And I also agree that the video is something put together by Rush and could be edited. I said that in my initial post. Someone must have the original transcript… one that goes beyond the “phony soldiers” statement… one that verifies the discussion of Jessie MacBeth.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmrush limbaugh and truth. That goes together like ice cream and motor oil
September 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pmComment by Dave C — September 28, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
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He actually says it twice. The second time he said it he was replying to a caller who was talking about the media interviewing troops. So now he’s talking about another set of troops other than those that wrote the op-ed piece. He’s talking about troops in general that talk to the media and call for a withdrawal.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmPerhaps, instead of jumping on the bandwagon, it would be wise to go to the source to see what the hullabaloo is all about. In context, the comment refers to Jessie MacBeth (some sources spell it Jesse Macbeth), a boot camp reject who claimed to be a decorated wounded Special Forces veteran. Jesse, and others like him who have been used to further the anti-war agenda, detail what they claim are atrocities they personally witnessed or performed in Iraq. The problem is that they never made it to being soldiers, much less to Iraq. Jessie was found guilty in court of falsifying his service record in an effort to obtain benefits. I don’t know about the others. Taken in context, the statement about “phony soldiers” is true and no apology should be necessary.
Repeatedly, these guys’ claims have been run, apparently without investigation as to their veracity or the claims’ authenticity, as illustrations of what is going on in Iraq. I can perhaps understand this happening once. Repeated incidents begin to look like the result of pursuing an objective of demeaning or debasing the troops serving in Iraq - as the old saying goes, “fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.†Although new claims have been repeatedly debunked and the claimants’ truthfulness impugned, I have yet to see any retractions or apologies by those who publish them. If any apology is owed, it is by these frauds and their supporters, not Rush Limbaugh.
It is fine to agree or disagree with the war, but the arguments need to be made on the basis of fact and not trumped up and easily verifiable lies knowingly told by either side’s proponents. The people trying to make a big deal out of Mr. Limbaugh’s comments are wrong. He made the comment on his show, to his audience, expressing his opinion in a clear opinion piece, and can provide independently verifiable facts to support his statement. The MoveOn.org ad was a big deal because it was a paid ad by a political action group, provided at a discount rate, and timed to attempt to publicly impugn the sworn testimony of a military commander before Congress in time of war. It personally attacked the general, not on the basis of objective verifiable fact, but on the basis of factless innuendo. It was a public statement intended for the widest possible public audience and the perpetrators had to admit that there were several violations of everything from the newspaper’s policies to personal integrity involved in its publication.
There is a big difference between calling someone who lied about being a soldier a “phony soldier†and calling a commander who has honorably fulfilled his duties, and made verifiable progress in reducing the number of civilian and military casualties occurring in Iraq since taking command, a betrayer of the public trust.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:21 pmApparently Rush did edit his rebuttal.
http://mediamatters.org/ items/ 200709280009?f=i_related
September 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmMemo to disgusted1: Nice try using Limpdick’s spin today. Try listening to the audio where Oxy clearly refers to soldiers [plural]. This means he thinks Pat Tillman, who opposed this farce, is a “phony soldier.”
Rush is a disgusting coward and traitor.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThere is a big difference between calling someone who lied about being a soldier a “phony soldier†and calling a commander who has honorably fulfilled his duties, and made verifiable progress in reducing the number of civilian and military casualties occurring in Iraq since taking command, a betrayer of the public trust.
Comment by disgusted1 — September 28, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
You do realize that it death toll also dramatically increased at the start of the “Surge” and is still way higher than pre surge levels.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pmAnd all this rhetoric and phony rightousness is EXACTLY what scumbags like the rusher, billo and Tranny Anny Coultergeist live for.
THEY ARE ENTERTAINERS, nothing more, nothing less. And publicity is what sells their dog food.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pmYup, I was wrong. Rush edited his tape to remove stuff in the middle of where he refers to phony soldiers & then discusses Jessie MacBeth. His reference to phony soliders was not used in context with MacBeth at all. He was merely saying that soldiers that disagree with the war are phony. Then after going on about WMDs and other sh!t he comes back to the point and says…
“here is a “Morning Update” that we did recently talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left…”
In other words he’s saying “while we’re on the topic of phony soldiers, here’s another phony”. I retract my previous posts. The fact that Rush felt the need to edit his defence tape proves that even he acknowledges that he phucked up.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pmDigdug said:
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The video you link here is not from the actual show where he said it. It’s a video of him trying to cover his ass after the fact. I don’t understand why you would link this as proof of anything…
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LOL keep digging buddy! Hey why don’t your report this “fake video” to Media Matter and they can release another press release!! LOL
September 28th, 2007 at 6:31 pmLOL keep digging buddy! Hey why don’t your report this “fake video†to Media Matter and they can release another press release!! LOL
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
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Wow… that was a strange reply.
I never said it was a fake video. I pointed out that you were linking it “for anyone interested in the truth”, but it was just Rush spinning thins after the fact. “The truth” would be a link to the actual statement in question (where he made the comment about phony soldiers, NOT him talking about it after the fact).
September 28th, 2007 at 6:35 pmDave C. Is this true? Rush has altered his website? But he’s such an upstanding citizen.
tsk, tsk, tsk.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:35 pmHey Dave C Do you really think that Limbaugh was referring to all soldiers who oppose the War as “phony”? He certainly didn’t say that either.
I suppose he should have suspended the conversation with his caller and immediately put the term “phony soldiers” into unambiguous context lest Media Matter create a context of their own choosing…. as is their modus operandi
September 28th, 2007 at 7:02 pmDave C: “Yup, I was wrong. Rush edited his tape to remove stuff in the middle of where he refers to phony soldiers & then discusses Jessie MacBeth.”
Thanks, Dave. You’re the man. I couldn’t understand what any of you were talking about because I had just heard the entire un-edited sequence on the Rachael Maddow show and it was clear to me that Rush was referring to soldiers who question the mission as “phony soldiers.”
September 28th, 2007 at 7:02 pmnature Rules: there have been others. One recently in the news was, I believe
a writer for the New Republic, using fictional military accounts to spread the anti war message…. In any case you show your on intellectual dishonesty if you listen to the whole clip but still maintain that Rush was calling Iraqi War veterans whom oppose the war “phony soldiersâ€
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Ibuprofen, see the link in #90 to view the transcript, without the edit, and come back and tell me again who “phoney soldiers” he was referring to are. You want truth, seek it out and don’t deny it when you find it.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pmIs there anything more stupid than Rush Limbaugh fans? Fools and tools, all of them. Painkillerman, he’s playing you like a cheap fiddle and you just LOVE it.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:05 pmHey Dave C Do you really think that Limbaugh was referring to all soldiers who oppose the War as “phony� He certainly didn’t say that either.
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Yeah. I do. I believe that most people that support the war feel that way about anyone that disagrees. I don’t know how that could surprise you. Just look at the last 6 years. Dixie chicks, questioning the patriotism of people that disagree, removing Generals that don’t go along with GWB, Nugent’s comments about anyone that disagrees… it’s everywhere, why wouldn’t it make sense to include troops that disagree?
September 28th, 2007 at 7:10 pmThat’s the conservative culture of responsibility for you. It’s not Rush’s fault that he said something. It’s Media Matters’ fault for specifically documenting it.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pmp.s. why does Rush say that “here is the entire transcript, in context” and then remove 1 minute 35 seconds of the conversation? By doing that he linked the “phony soldiers” comment with the “Jessie MacBeth” comment. That alone shows deceit. If he wanted to be tried in a public court of opinion on his merits he should have run it properly unedited and let the public decide. By not doing so he has worsened his position.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pmThat’s the conservative culture of responsibility for you. It’s not Rush’s fault that he said something. It’s Media Matters’ fault for specifically documenting it.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 28, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
BINGO
September 28th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWhether it was an accident or on purpose, it was Millie, the Bush’s cocker spaniel, whose picture appeared when Limbaugh said “cute kid.†Limbaugh apologized for that, and did so on the next show…
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Thanks Manny, for pointing out Rush has attempted this retroactive CYA strategy before.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:18 pmAlthough CYA for Rush would be a truly Herculean endeavor; the man is all ass!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:21 pmThis somehow morphed into: “there’s a new dog in the White House†Comment by CaptainMantastic — September 28, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Maybe because it was pretty obvious this is how he felt? Ironic you wingnuts would whine about how things ‘morph’, after you morphed Al Gore’s leadership in making the internet available to the public into “Al Gore said he invented the internet”. Those kind of ‘morphing’ smears are more your thing, than progressives. Maybe that’s why you’re so sensitive about them - guilt?
As for Rush’s statement - caller2 specifically said the real soldiers were those who were pro-iraq-war, meaning the phony soldiers were those opposed to the war. Rush didn’t reject this statement, and in fact acknowledged the statement positively. All of you Rush defenders should be ashamed of yourselves - hypocrites!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:30 pmDave C wrote
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Yeah. I do. I believe that most people that support the war feel that way about anyone that disagrees. I don’t know how that could surprise you. Just
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Now I understand.. It’s not only their words that you interpret, but with someone like Limbaugh, you interpret them in the light of the “inherent evil intent” of his persona. I guess that makes examining transcripts pointless.
Nonetheless, I still admire your intellectual honesty
By the way, I am not an advocate of the War. I am a libertarian, miles away from either political party . There is much I don’t agree with Rush about but I judge him to be more honest than Keith Olbermann and others of that ilk
I do usually vote Republican because I so despise the socialist thread that’s woven so firmly into your party. But I also despise “W” who, like many of the GOP politicians, is a big government, pseudo-conservative fraud.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by robroy — September 28, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Thanks robroy for copy and pasting the transcript for AFTER the exchange for which Rush should apologize and/or be reprimanded.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:00 pmLimbaugh’s comments were taken out of context…
blah… blah… blah….
He was talking about some other soldier even though this other soldier wasn’t mentioned at the moment….
blah… blah… blah….
“Libruls” are intentionally distorting Limbaugh’s words….
blah… blah… blah….
And so goes the spin, where Limbaugh’s comments must be interpreted according to some secret code book only the kool-aid drinkers seem to have access to.
(By the way, these apologists’ “explanations” are way too scripted to be a coincidence if you ask me)
September 29th, 2007 at 1:46 amI wonder who this single-digit IQ trolls think they are fooling.
We can all read the transcript, we can all listen to the audio, and draw our own conclusions. We all have already done so by now.
It is obvious Rush was referring to any and all soldiers who criticise Bush’s “policy” in Iraq. Unless, of course, you are listening to Limbaugh’s edited version of the show -because it’s Media Matters who is being dishonest by saving the entire exchange.
Who exactly do they they are fooling?
Moronic knuckle-dragging trolls.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:02 amBy the way, I am not an advocate of the War. I am a libertarian, miles away from either political party . There is much I don’t agree with Rush about but I judge him to be more honest than Keith Olbermann and others of that ilk
I do usually vote Republican because I so despise the socialist thread that’s woven so firmly into your party. But I also despise “W†who, like many of the GOP politicians, is a big government, pseudo-conservative fraud.
Comment by ibuprofen — September 28, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
If you have “judged” Fat Loser Limpballs as being “more honest than Keith Olbermann and others of that ilk” , you’ve just shown/proven to everyone that you don’t even have the sense that “God” gave the common dog ………..
You find a fat clown who railed for years about drug addicts being “criminals” until he himself was found out and nabbed as being one , as believable in any way ?
Or that same tub of crap who mocked a Parkinson’s sufferer and claimed that same individual was over-acting , because he was an actor by trade ?
No wonder Rush gets away with so much shit ; you’re so typical of those that are his core listening audience……You have an IQ that would embarrass a pre-schooler…
September 29th, 2007 at 3:12 amThis is how he makes his living? What did he do in the war? Was he in the service? What may I ask has he “given” to his country but that wagging, spear-pointed tongue?! If he is a vet he’s done a grave disservice to his own. If he’s not a vet, how does he speak like this not really knowing the sacrifices that have been made?
September 29th, 2007 at 5:37 amThe Rush Limbaugh coment was taken out of context. Why do we democrats have to lie on people to try to get our point across. We need to stop making stuff up and trying to smear the innocent or there is no chance of victory. We are in real trouble now. The constant lies about conservative commentators are going to end up killing us. Please get smart.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amThe Rush Limbaugh coment was taken out of context.
Comment by chriswyse — September 29, 2007 @ 11:59 am
I was listening on Wednesday when he made the “phoney soldiers” comment. Media Matters has the trasncript as I remember it:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top
It was clear to me at the time that he was making a blanket assertion that the soldiers who did not support the war were deficient in some manner - loyalty, intelligence, sanity, etc. I understood his use of the term “phoney soldiers” to refer collectively and derogatively to those soldiers.
There may “lies about conservative commentators” that may “end up killing” Democrats, but this isn’t one of them.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by Toliver — September 29, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
He made those remarks about Jesse Macbeth, exclusively, not about any of the other persons that you mentioned - none of whom, I might add, have I ever heard of before.
His show is always the same: anyone who doesn’t agree with him is stupid, disloyal, dishonest or insane.
Occasionally, his points have some merit. But usually they are so couched in hate, paranoia or pig-headedness that they are in no way a starting point for a reasoned discourse.
There are enough real soldiers for Limbaugh to present, discuss, debate, and refute. His relentless denunciation of exposed fraud(s) to debase any and all anti-war efforts is much like the use of “Piltdown Man” to debunk evolution in that it is dishonest and irrelevant to the argument.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:01 pmSomeone needs to educate the Congress on the 1st Amendment. Pathetic!
September 29th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe GOP Spin Machine is a remarkable thing to behold. Today’s edition has Rush’s Hotheads making the false claim that Rush didn’t mean to insult anti-war soldiers by calling them “phony.” Who could ever imagine Rush doing something like THAT?
You just have to take a trip to Rushland for the contorted explanation that Rush meant one specific soldier with his slur. BUT, unfortunately, for Rush and his posse of defenders, there is a transcript which proves that the one soldier they mention was NOT the subject of Rush’s nasty demeaning comments.
So, I’m sure they will try again with some other bogus excuse. Must be fun to worry more about covering Rush’s butt than worrying about the plight of our soldiers stuck in Iraq or the hassles they face when they come back to the US and tell the truth about Bush’s disastrous War.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pmToday a friend of mine returned from Iraq. His job was hauling tanks all over Iraq and he said it was hell. He was there for just over a year. He said that when he started his tour the roadside bombs were small and mostly ineffective but as time went on they’ve become more and more deadly. He said that that borders with Iran and Syria and not secure and that all of the bombs that are killing our soilders are being made by Iran. Why would you start a war and not secure the borders of known terrorist countries? It makes no sense.
If G.W. Bush is so tough why does he let Iran continue to blow up our soilders? Why did he let their piece of shit president come into the U.S. and walk away alive when he knows that Iran is killing our troops.
I’m just glad my buddy made it home alive.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:39 amI was listening on Wednesday when he made the “phoney soldiers†comment. Media Matters has the trasncript as I remember it:
Comment by crassus — September 29, 2007 @ 1:45
It says on media matters that Limbaugh brought up Jesse MacBeth 1min 35 secs after he said phony soilders. I also was listening and I’m sorry to say but Limbaugh was taken out of context.
The thing that makes it truly awful is that you have democratic Congress men and woman plus senators bringing up mediamatters story like its the truth. It makes the Democratic party look like a bunch of idiots. The true idiots are the print and tv media that didn’t research the story and put it on the air. It gave the republicans a lot of ammo to fire at us. I truly think that mediamatters must have been taken over by republicans. It’s the only thing that makes sense. They tell one lie after another and they’re getting caught doing it. First O’Rielly now Limbaugh. We don’t need to lie to win.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:53 amMaybe a phony special forces soldier could slip into Rush’s house silently in the night, chloroform Rush into unconsciousness and pretend to surgerically remove his arms and legs. Then he can pretend to wake Rush up and pretend to force him eat his own limbs at gun point.
Let’s pretend, Rush, let’s pretend together.
Rush, pretend you can stop thinking about who’s coming for you in the night!
LET’S PRETEND TOGETHER, RUSH!
LET’S PRETEND TOGETHER, RUSH!
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September 30th, 2007 at 3:38 pmGrow up…get better material too while you’re at it.
Whether you’re a right wing conservative or left wing liberal, you all just repeat what people on “your side of the fence”. The whole “extra, extra, read all about it girls are mental…blah…blah”
Can we all have more level headed & objective input and feedback rather than partisan rhetoric.
Our idealism isn’t worth holding our own fecal matter when we believe ourselves to be fair and in reality our fairness is only extended to ourselves and everyone else who thinks just like us. Bleh! Weak efforts for the weak and feeble. If that’s all we’re capable of doing than let’s not come off as being any better. Stop being a poser. No one here has proven to be anything other than a swine.
I’m not surprised though, to witness anything other than this swill from my fellow pigs. We should all be butchered for our bacon. That’s all we appear to be good for at this rate.
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 am