Boehner: Using Children For Political Messaging Is ‘Beyond The Pale,’ Unless I Do It
Boehner: Using Children For Political Messaging Is ‘Beyond The Pale,’ Unless I Do It
This week’s Democratic Radio Address will be delivered by a 12-year-old boy named Graeme Frost. Graeme was in a severe car accident three years ago, and received care under the SCHIP program.
In his address, Graeme will tell the story of how he “was in a coma for a week and couldn’t eat or stand up or even talk at first.” But, using coverage provided under SCHIP, Graeme received treatment that allowed him to return to school and begin to lead a normal life again.
A spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) sharply criticized Graeme’s appearance:
To use an innocent young child as a human shield and misrepresent the position of the president of the United States is, frankly, beyond the pale.
If there’s one thing Boehner just won’t tolerate, it’s politicians employing children for political purposes…
The SCHIP bill sent to Bush for authorization would provide essential medical care for four million children like Graeme Frost. Yet John Boehner seems more interested in playing partisan games than in supporting expansion of a program that is “widely regarded as one of the country’s greatest social policy successes.”
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Yes, that makes sense. A program for children should not be associated with children who benefit from it. Or something.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:35 am“How dare you show examples of what the bill could do!”
~Sean
September 29th, 2007 at 10:42 amPlease watch this!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MpDv_mfQi2M
September 29th, 2007 at 10:43 amI guess the always tanned–not to mention, hypocritical– Boehner knows best about being “beyond the pale.”
September 29th, 2007 at 10:43 amWell, now that I’ve reread the quote from Boehner’s people, I’m pissed. Using the term “human shield,” which has a specific meaning related to terrorism, war, something despots do with their civilian populations to deter attack. I guess Boehner is comparing Reid to Saddam now.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:44 amHe’s trying to elbow out the kid in the white turtleneck.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:51 amGuess it was ok for Bush to pepper the stage with “snowflake babies” when he vetoed the stem cell research bill.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:53 amDid Boner start crying when he made his “statement”?
September 29th, 2007 at 11:09 amanother triumph for cry baby boehner
September 29th, 2007 at 11:18 am“So….what was the point of Boehner’s visit in comparison with demmocrocksh*t use of an individual 12-year old boy to do their preaching? Public officials, in general, visit schools all the time. There’s nothing contradictory here with Boehner.”
Republicrap politicians visit schools to pick out their next dates…err…victims…err…boyfriends…err, well, you get the point. Republicans love to use and abuse kids, but would rather see them die of starvation than cut off a penny of billionaire corporate welfare. CTVD, get out of the schoolyard before you’re arrested.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:53 amThere’s nothing contradictory here with Boehner.
Comment by C T V 1
Please read #7 to see what a hypocrite you are.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amAddendeum to #15
C T I V – Why didn’t Boner criticize Bush when he used the “snowflake” babies?
September 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI believe the Democrats have taken a cowardly approach to funding it. Rather than fund this worthwhile program from general revenues and take the heat for a possible tax increase, they chose instead to target a much-demonized minority.
If you believe the current propaganda that only the uneducated lower classes smoke, then you have to think that it’s is a regressive tax. And if you believe that raising the tax will reduce smoking, then where do you think the funding for “health insurance for needy children” is headed? It doesn’t make sense to fund a needed program that will need room to grow with a funding source that is expected to decline.
The sixty-one cent per pack increase is not a tax on the tobacco companies. It’s a tax on people who don’t fit the bourgeois paradigm of what you’re currently “supposed to do”. It’s an obnoxious and mean-spirited piece of social engineering and deserves to be vetoed, even if by the wrong person for all the wrong reasons.
Democrats should find another, more progressive, way to fund SCHIP. To fund it by taxing a sitting duck minority is cowardly and a bad precedent.
My taxes will go up by $435 as a result of this funding scheme. There’s no reason my taxes should go up like that while yours remain the same. Unless, of course, you’re priggish about smoking in which case you’d probably favor hanging rather than taxing me.
But I would suggest that all good Democrats start smoking….cough up the bucks, light up and puff away…after all, it’s for the children.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“Using Children For Political Messaging Is Beyond The Pale. Unless I Do It”
This, of course, is no surprise. Republicans have got us all used to amazing “moral values” such as:
- It is wrong to cheat on your wife, unless you are a Republican
- It is wrong to be gay, unless you are a Republican.
- It is wrong to smear a political opponent, unless you are a Republican.
- It is wrong to be fiscally irresponsible, unless you are a Republican.
No contradiction or show of hypocrisy coming out of the Republican camp surprises me anymore.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIOKIYAR
September 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSo once again a Republican fails to address the substance of the message he’s trying to refute and chooses instead to address the image of the messenger. I guess he would prefer an adult describing the facts Graeme Frost describes, even though those facts happened to Graeme Frost and Boner cannot dispute them. Again a Republican grasps at any straw but fails to address reality.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by C T V 1 — September 29, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Keep it up, Mr. P, and you will get yourself banned again….
September 29th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThis administration uses “props” when they see fit. In addition to Bush refusing to sign the SCHIP bill, he now takes money from child support payments to reduce the NATIONAL DEFICIT. Did anyone know this was happening? Apparently if you pay or recieve (up to the states) child support Bush is taking a cut to reduce the deficits for his frigging war. Boehner ought to just shut his mouth. I think we all know the president’s thoughts on children.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=78191
September 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmaquarius2,
We discussed this over at the Zoo a while back.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThe sixty-one cent per pack increase is not a tax on the tobacco companies. It’s a tax on people who don’t fit the bourgeois paradigm of what you’re currently “supposed to doâ€. It’s an obnoxious and mean-spirited piece of social engineering and deserves to be vetoed, even if by the wrong person for all the wrong reasons.
Comment by puffin — September 29, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Not really. It’s more of a disincentive for you to stop killing yourself. You’re still free to light up and destroy your lungs, but maybe if it costs more you’ll slow down or stop altogether. See, others care more about your life then you do. And others are tired of supporting folks like you that are determined to kill yourself. I suggest that if you really want to die you just get it over with instead of this slow death you’ve committed yourself to. But until you do it will cost you a bit more and you can be thankful that your smoking is doing some good for children. With any luck your bad lifestyle will provide a healthy lifestyle for others. It’s all part of the balance of life. Now go light up and download the next installment of cancer.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pmComment by Zooey — September 29, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
I just heard about this today. I don’t remember the MSM reporting on this. This really ought to national news in combination with Bush’s threatened veto. Bush is spending BILLIONS in Iraq and breaking the backs of working people.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI think if the commercial included a fertilized embryo, the Republicans would’ve been alright with it.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:48 pmDoes John Boehner.s (R- BigTobacco) nicotine fit over funding children’s health care really surprise anyone?
I mean c’mon! The current House Minority Leader is also widely known as “Tobacco Checks Boehner” for handing out nearly nearly $150,000 from tobacco company Brown & Williamson Corp. political action committee money money to “about a half-dozen” fellow Republicans on the floor of the House from the back in 1995 when he was the GOP Conference Chairman.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:49 pmaquarius2,
It’s completely disgusting, isn’t it? If you get $500 or more a year child support (woo hoo, Disneyland!), then the government will take $25 of that precious money to reduce the f*cking deficit. Of course, in the article I read, it says that there is an option to require the payer to pay the fee, but I know how these agencies work — they’ll take the fee from the easiest person to find — the payee.
Of course it hasn’t been in the so-called liberal media — there’s probably a missing white girl somewhere. They’re busy!
September 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pmZooey
This was taken from the White House announcement on the day of signing:
As the Deficit Reduction Act delivers savings in mandatory spending, it also shows the compassion of America. This bill provides new resources for programs that serve some of our citizens with the greatest needs — including hurricane victims, children, and low-income families struggling to pay their heating bills.
Uh, maybe I am wrong but how the hell taking a cut of child support payments show compassion?
September 29th, 2007 at 1:00 pmCigaretts work very well to keep people who pay social security taxes all their working lives from ever collecting on it.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNot an ad hominem argument, just a simple observation:
Boner has what I call “dead eyes” that just scream “Pod Person” to me. I assume that he has compensating charms in person that nullify the natural impulse to flee, screaming in terror, from his presence. I don’t expect I’d succumb to such charms, if they indeed exist, but somehow his constituency feels differently.
I admit that it’s unfair to judge from photos and soundbites. Perhaps people are merely petrified by his soulless expression, or the kids in the photos were coked to the gills on Ritalin.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:25 pmPutting pedophile Boehner (Boner) in a throng of children is like casting them off to the lions. What the heck??
September 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pmAnyone have the transcript of Boehners’ condemnation of Bush using children when he vetoed the stem cell bill ?
There is one…….right?
September 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThose “dead eyes” of Boehner’s are a result of being abused as a child…ergo…the victim becomes the perpetrator.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pmStarve-a-bush: And since the idiots we call republicans insist on “image control”, perhaps they need to begin keeping known pedophile enablers away from our children.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmMaybe the “game” Congress needs to involve themselves in now is just how John Boehner along with Fata$$ Hastert ran the congressional page program….you know the one with the campovers (wink wink)….the one that has been sidelined by all of the other scum these crims have been caught doing. It’s time to get back to precisely what lies beneath the Mark Foley/Denny Hastert/John Boehner “manage a trois” with the congressional pages.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:31 pmUh, maybe I am wrong but how the hell taking a cut of child support payments show compassion?
Comment by aquarius2 — September 29, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Cuz they say so.
Ugh.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:33 pmRepublican talking points like to mention that SCHIPS is for POOR children, and then recite the incorrect example of the $83,000/yr straw man receiving govt. aid in healthcare.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMedicade is the health care program for POOR kids. Those that are helped by SCHIPS , are the Working poor, making too much to qualify for Medicade, but not enough to afford health insurance if their job doesn’t provide it.
The Republicans fear SCHIPS because it actually provides Govt. help to working Americans, whose paychecks are taxed weekly with no perceived benefits. They justifiably resent being taxed to help those who can’t or won’t work, while their own kids can’t afford to see a doctor. That’s one way republicans get the working poor to vote against their own economic interests.
Comment by Dave C — September 29, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Good job of pointing out that intolerance is not limited to the freaks on the right.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWow, you libs are a mean spirited bunch of b*stards, aren’t you?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
How ironic, coming from someone that doesn’t want children insured…
September 29th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“Bush’s expected veto of this bill?
Comment by comityâ€
As he should!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Soulless individuals do soulless acts, and soulless hacks back them up. If anyone ever wondered if you had a soul, they have their answer.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWell I wouldn’t say that arn’s comments represent all liberals but they certainly represent uneducated liberals.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Are you qualified to make that assessment? All evidence points to the contrary ;)
September 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThat’s a pretty stupid comment! Of course we want them insured we just want that to be their mommy and daddy’s responsibility, not ours!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
And that’s a trollish response. No he doesn’t want them ensured, and it’s the president’s responsibility to help preserve the welfare of the nation, including children. If you don’t think the state has an interest in the welfare of children, I bet that explains your offspring!
September 29th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI’m no fan of Boehner, and I despise hypocrisy from Republicans even more than from the Dems. There’s just a few little problems. Little Graeme’s stint in the hospital was probably paid for by auto insurance, not SCHIP. The only way it wasn’t was if both cars were uninsured or the accident was the fault of the driver that Graeme was riding with and that driver was uninsured.
We all know that the primary purpose of the expanded SCHIP program is to be an incremental step to a single payer universal plan. Fine. Then the left should just fess up and say so.
Or … are they even bigger hypocrites than Boehner?
September 29th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThat’s a pretty stupid comment! Of course we want them insured we just want that to be their mommy and daddy’s responsibility, not ours!
Comment by Michael
Yet when a woman is pregnant you want that responsibility, the embryo, to be yours?
WTF?
September 29th, 2007 at 2:52 pmAh the typical liberal guilt game!! -Michael
So then unborn children are not your problem either?
Cmon michael, lets see you squirm outta that.
As for guilt, its impossible for sociopaths such as your manly hero, MAnn Coulter, to feel guilt.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAs every other industrialized country has accessible health care for ALL, we must look like complete idiots and cowards in front of the world. Why is it our country can not figure out how to do this? And why are we not in the streets demanding this like other nations would be? It is very simple…eliminate the INSURANCE INDUSTRY that hog 30% of the profits and go to single not for profit with an administrative cost of 3%…. Kucinich’s plan.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThey have just been brainwashed by Media Matters and Moveon to tow the socialist line! Comment by Michael
Okay lets say abortions were banned, nationwide, what GOP socialist system would be needed to care for all those children?
September 29th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWhy is that? Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
Why cant it be?
September 29th, 2007 at 2:59 pmThat’s your answer? Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
You ever heard MAnn make a caring comment?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:01 pmUh, mommy and daddy?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
Can you say an explosion in orphans?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pmIf you’re struggling financially turn to your family not your government!
Comment by Michael
So hows that welfare state of Iraq working for ya?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pmIf you’re struggling financially turn to your family not your government!
Comment by Michael
Did you know that for every lobbyist corporate dollar there is a 54 dollar return?
Corporate America, turn to your family not your government!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI doubt it! There was no explosion in orphans before abortion was legal and there won’t be one after abortion is banned.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
But remember, you just said you dont care. Now you do, then you dont, then you do. What hypocrites the conpervatives are.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pm…..tow the socialist line!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
That’s “toe the line,” dipshit.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pm“YOU don’t want to pay for kids’ health insurance
Comment by Arn Gunnutesâ€
Wrong! I’ll pay for mine, not yours!
Comment by Michael — S
September 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pmMichael your mind set is tragic…not all can get access to health care and we have 18,000 a year dying because of it. And this 18,000 are not the elderly or disabled as they have medicare, it is the working class and their families. All industrialized countries have universal health care except ours. I challenge you to find one of those countries that would trade places with US. We suck at health care and our people are cowards for not protesting for decent health care.
Y’all, Michael is the most stupid troll to ever smell up this blog. He only recently learned to capitalize his own name.
You’re wasting your time.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pmI doubt it! Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
Doubt is not proof.
If you force women to have children when they can’t afford it they will either have to have government assistance or they will put children up for adoption.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pmHe only recently learned to capitalize his own name. -Zooey
LOL. I noticed that too!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHeh. Hey Zep. ;)
September 29th, 2007 at 3:11 pmMichael thinks this trillion dollar welfare state, Iraq, is sensible, while helping American children isn’t, unless its an embryo, then it must be saved, but after its born then screw them.
Conpervatives are such ideological wafflers.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThey have just been brainwashed by Media Matters and Moveon to tow the socialist line!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Wow!! Stereotypes and cliches abound!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhere is your proof that there will be? -Michael
No, the burden of proof is on you. See?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmMichael, get a new act.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThis reminds me of an article yesterday where Repub candidates for President were complaining that they can’t hit back at Rudy for his claims about 9/11 because they don’t want to politicize it.
Repubs have been politicizing 9/11 — and everything else — for years, but they always cry (in Boehner’s case, literally) when someone points that out.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pmHere is a thought that may concern the self centered reptile minded conservatives:
September 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pmAs the numbers of those with access to health care decrease, don’t you suppose the numbers of contagious diseases will increase? This thought alone should scare the selfish into rethinking the health care situation.
Maybe, when someone offers you a bit of kindness one day when you need it, you’ll think about how to repay it.
Comment by comity — September 29, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Michael’s family gave him everything they had, and now live in poverty, just so he’d go away. They’re happy now.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWhere is your proof that there will be? Or is it just stupid liberal speculation?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
In Italy it is common for farmers out plowing their fields to turn up the skeletons of infants – unwanted babies. Is this what you want here?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pm“Didn’t say it was but I referred you back to a time when abortion was not legal and there was no explosion in orphans.”
Did someone fire a stupid bomb in here? Michael seem to have taken most of the blast.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pmTRY to insult him. It won’t work!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Then why did you respond at all? I think it’s working quite well.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pmWow!! Stereotypes and cliches abound!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Yeh, Michael thinks everyone here is a member or reader of said organizations/websites. In reality, here on earth, I dont read either one, but in cloud cuckoo land, where Michael, the Amazing Kookskin dwells, it is the TwOoOooOooOOFFF!!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pmTypical cut and run liberal strategy!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Typical cliche and stereotyping…
September 29th, 2007 at 3:17 pmDid someone fire a stupid bomb in here? Michael seem to have taken most of the blast.
Comment by barfly — September 29, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
He can’t help it, his neurotransmitters don’t fire properly.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:17 pmDo you also believe in the boogey man?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Yer mere existence is enough to lend credibility to tha rumors…
September 29th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThanks for the tip, Zooey. I’m new to TP. I can already see that I’m talking to a wall.
Comment by comity — September 29, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
See? Now you’ve insulted walls. ;)
September 29th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThanks for the tip, Zooey. I’m new to TP. I can already see that I’m talking to a wall. -Comity
Michael does not dwell in this plane of reality as evidenced by the URL attached to his Moniker. http://www.anncoulter.com/
You see, we are all Godless Libruls on the way to hell because Ann Coulter says so!! So yes, the proof of the dope bomb is clearly in evidence.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pmStereotyping? You are after all the “cut and run†party!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Ah yes… you heard it on Fox… it must be TRUE!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pm“And of course you can provide some examples? Can you?”
Comment by Michael
How about:
“Didn’t say it was but I referred you back to a time when abortion was not legal and there was no explosion in orphans. Where is your proof that there will be? Or is it just stupid liberal speculation?”
September 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pmYou are after all the “cut and run†party!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
Yawn, we have been over this before, it was Bush Sr. that cut and ran from Iraq.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:21 pm“You liberals…”
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Impossible ta not laff at ya when ya keep talkin’ in cliches…
September 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pmNo, I rarely watch Fox. I usually watch CNN, Glenn Beck.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Why am I not surprised?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pmDid you see the demise of employer-provided health insurance, did you see the astronomical rise in premiums?
Comment by comity — September 29, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
BTW, was this not the “result” of Reagan deregulating healthcare back in the ’80’s and allowing it to become a “for-profit” industry?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“It’s not simply about common sense and personal responsibility. Out of touch, my friend. Seriously out of touch.”
Comment by comity
You give him some slack for his youthful naivete – and then he runs the slack out with stupid nonsequitors, and generally unserious commentary.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:25 pmAnd further, as I see it Michael, the Iraqis dont want us in Iraq and are tired of ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ which BTW is not, and has not, ever been delcared a war. If anything we are but referees.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBTW, was this not the “result†of Reagan deregulating healthcare back in the ’80’s and allowing it to become a “for-profit†industry?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 29, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Ding Ding Ding!!!
TRoS gets the door prize!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:25 pmYou’re being a typical liberal by making a statement and backing it up with NOTHING! Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007
Prove it?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pm“eliminate the INSURANCE INDUSTRY
Comment by had enoughâ€
What an incredibly communistic idea!
Comment by Michael — For profit health care has no business in the corporate world. We do not privatized our police, fire, water(yet)… so what are we doing privatizing health care.? This is absolutely immoral. And since this system took off under Reagan… look what has happened. Those at the top have made millions while the price has gone through the roof leaving fewer with access. Throwing around the term communistic is absolutely no defense.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThat phrase is just too worn out.
You’re being a typical liberal by making a statement and backing it up with NOTHING!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Ohhhhh, the irony….
September 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pmHardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
I suspect this might have something to do w/ the population of the US being larger…
You may work in the “insurance industry” but every real healthcare professional I’ve talked to says the system is failing. (People who work for ins companies are NOT healthcare professionals…)
Of course, if you’re an insurance industry executive making an exorbitant salary, and whining about having to pay taxes, then F- YOU!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWow, you libs are a mean spirited bunch of b*stards, aren’t you?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Gotta be a real selective way to look at life when one side wants to end the illegal killing in Iraq as well as help save the lives and improve the quaility of life for many of the children in the US.
But when the other side (Repugs) hate the troops, the Iraqi people and their own US children, it is quite a telling situation we have here. Thank God your ilk will be swept down the drain in ‘09 to become a true minority.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:27 pmzooey, did you answer my question yet?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Did you answer mine?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:27 pmYou’re being a typical liberal…
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
“Typical liberal…” WTF??? Definition please!!!!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“Hardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!”
Comment by Michael
If he means that the general population has risen, then yes.
That piece of stupid-bomb schrapnel sticking out of his ass looks rather problematic. Perhaps we should summon a medic?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pmIf the GOP went into michaels house, robbed him, beat him, stole his 1200$ bottles of joy, raped his dog, urinated on his carpets, stole his care and defiled his wife and sodomised him, Haggard style, he would still vote for them.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThat’s a bunch of BS! I’m in the health care industry and what you are saying is just plain unfounded.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Link?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pmDidn’t think you could!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Michael, did you answer my question? It’s very important.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
That explains a LOT! Yours is one of the most despised industies in this country, along with the Pharmas and the oil companies right now and make their living lobbying against ANYTHING that will benefit the American public and keep their service levels low, their prices high and if someone complains, they just give us all the “Big Cheney”.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Hardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!†Comment by Michael
See, its not about life with the conpervatives, its about money.
So, M, do you have a temple in your basement so you can pray to Mammon?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThat’s a bunch of BS! I’m in the health care industry and what you are saying is just plain unfounded.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Oh yeah, we have no idea what we’re talking about…
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September 29th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI’m sure I have.
Don’t you know?
Everybody is waiting to see how you respond?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
On the contrary, dingleberry, everyone is watching YOU. And laughing.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTRoS gets the door prize!
Comment by Zooey — September 29, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Whoa! Did I win one of my own door prizes? Cool!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:37 pmSo I’ll ask you again, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? -Michael
Good Lord, not that pathetic question again?
Why did Cheney get booted out of Harvard?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:37 pmI said your comment is unfounded and you ask me for a link? You made the comment, back it up!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Actually, YOU made the comment. Back it up, dipshit.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:38 pmWhoa! Did I win one of my own door prizes? Cool!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 29, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Make sure you choose a nice one!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:39 pmHeavens to Mergatroid Michael, get a new line of questions.
Welp, I gotta go work on the car and go to the auto parts..Taa Taa.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:40 pm*Exit Stage Left*
Hardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!
Comment by Michael —
This explains ALL… your outrage of eliminating the insurance industry. Will keep this comment handy.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:41 pmSo I’ll ask you again, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can you answer that question zooey?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
“All officials with knowledge of what specifically happened in Mr. Kerry’s case are muzzled by the Privacy Act of 1974.The act makes it a crime for federal employees to knowingly disclose personal information or records.
Only Mr. Kerry can do that. As of this writing, Mr. Kerry has failed to sign a Standard Form 180 giving the electorate and the press access to his Navy files.”
http://www.nysun.com/article/4040?page_no=3
No one can answer except for Kerry, you moron. Guess it’ll reamin a mystery, jes’ like, “Whatever happened to Bush’s service records when he was saposed ta be in the National Guard?”
At least we all know Kerry actually “served” and got “shot at”, in a real war, ya know?
Bush appears to have been doing “shooters” in topless bars in Dallas…
September 29th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI’m not outraged about anything because the people of this country won’t allow something that stupid.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Whistling by the ol’ graveyard here, are we?
September 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pmNo “had enough†made the comment and true to liberal form CAN’T back it up!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Understand this, Michael. You have NEVER backed up a single thing you have ever said. Until you do, none of us will bother to back up anything we say.
Spew your bile on Mr Pee’s blog. Lord knows he needs the blog stats.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAh more liberal stupid speculation. Actually Bush didn’t base his platform on his military record like the dope kerry did. And the low life got caught!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Woohoo! What amazing gyrating logic! Beautiful!!!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBeautiful day here in the Sierra’s. Time to put the top down on the Mercedes and take a trip to the wine store!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Heh. Michael makes his Saturday prostitute, Mercedes, ride topless in his old beater, while he runs to the liquor store for some Thunderbird.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:48 pmHeh. Michael makes his Saturday prostitute, Mercedes, ride topless in his old beater, while he runs to the liquor store for some Thunderbird.
Comment by Zooey — September 29, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
ZZZZING!!
Heh heh
September 29th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHeh. Thanks, upside99.
Gotta get out a Soc essay. Later. ;)
September 29th, 2007 at 3:56 pmCU Later, Ms. Zoo!
September 29th, 2007 at 3:57 pmTime to put the top down on the Mercedes and take a trip to the wine store!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Funny… I didn’t know MB made bicycles…
September 29th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWe now know michael’s trfue
agenda with his comment:
Hardly! I work in the insurance industry (health care) and more people are insured now then ever!
Comment by Michael — made on September 29, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
September 29th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNow what about the rest that do not need the insurance industry as their means of support? As I grew up and was raised by these sort of folks, know them all too well, I sense another fear not mentioned here: They do not want to share their health care with ALL those dirty people.
All industrialized countries have access to health care for all, except ours, and I challenge one person here to name a country or a group of folks that would trade their system for ours.
O. Bigfoot
September 29th, 2007 at 4:15 pmcalling us liars, bastards or trying to avoid the issue with other issues does not really get to the heart of why you want to keep this insane immoral for profit health care system …
As all industrialized countries have access to health care, show me one that would trade theirs with ours.
See, Michael is proud that he screws sickly people. No wonder he looks up to Exxon, and the fiscally irresponsible GOP as it screws him.
Yet he drinks liberally. LOL.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:31 pmLook, the reason that any political faction uses children or old people, or poor people, or whomever is because it is effective at strumming sensitive areas…..whether it is justified or not.
Everyone and every side does it if they can get away with it……and those that are on the short side of the issue ALWAYS cry foul/unfair…..cause they didn’t think of it first.
Face the fact that it IS more effective to the public to hear from a real or imagined (”straw man”) victim than to listem to an elected rep talk about the issue.
What do you think was behind programs aired that have US soldiers wounded in Iraq pleading with Congress to continue supporting the war? It is not necessarily in the soldiers’ bodily interest to maintain that position. You can find plenty of others that support the opposite plan, but it is effective on the public eye. So cry foul or whatever.
Face it that propaganda is alot of what politics is about. Convince or coerce not on the true merits or principles (but they may be OK sometimes), but play on the heart strings.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:34 pmBecause you lie, that’s why.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Pot, meet kettle…
September 29th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIt is insane to consider 18-25 years olds “childrenâ€, and it is insane for taxpayers to have to pay for health insurance for people who can afford their own. Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007
It is insane to invade a country for regime change for the security of oil and rebuild their infrastructure when we do not do the same for our own people.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI thought this thread was about health care? It’s insane to continually correlate every subject with Iraq, and then lie about that subject to boot.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Are not the Iraqis getting healthcare from America?
September 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/28/AR2006072801276.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Construction of a children’s hospital supported by first lady Laura Bush has been put on hold after it fell behind schedule and went over budget, one of dozens of halted or delayed U.S. health projects, Iraqi health officials said Friday.
The high-tech, two-story children’s hospital in Basra was intended to provide state-of-the-art care in Iraq’s second-largest city. The first lady and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke highly of the project.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYou calling me a liar Bigfoot?
September 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmRoS!!!! How’s that conversion to Islam coming along? Bet you can’t wait to get YOUR Kingdom in Heaven, eh? Comment by O. Bigfoot
According to Ann Coulter liberals are Godless, why would they, or you, for that matter convert ti Islam?
Andm if you want to devate religion, the Koran does think of Jesus, ISA, as a prophet who is alive in heaven. Just as many Christians do. The fact is the three major religions are Abrahamic. IE there is no need to convert.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmYou liberals would command “some†respect if you could possibly back up your comments with some examples?
Comment by Michael
And you, Michael, might command some respect if you learned the distinction between a question mark (?) and a period (.) and when and where to use them. You put the private school education you so frequently boast of to shame.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmmichael NEVER backs up his comments with examples, thats he puts a question mark behind every one of his comments.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm….,*thats why he puts a….
September 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pmYou are a liar, Ryan Neat. Everyone who can read knows that.
Do you consider 18-25 year olds “children� If so, then they shouldn’t drink, vote, drive, etc. Do you support this? Please, let us know. Speak up, man!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Care to explain how 18-25 year olds have anything to do with expansion of children being eligible for coverage? Your strawman is so typical of the wingnuts that hate poor children.
If you’d like to become educated on the terms of the bill, instead of repeating Coulter/Limbaugh talking points – please go here.
I know you wingnuts prefer to embarrass yourself with uneducated posts, but this isn’t redstate so please try to up your game – will you?
September 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmI thought this thread was about health care? It’s insane to continually correlate every subject with Iraq, and then lie about that subject to boot.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Not at all. It shows that as a group, your side is willing to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a useless war against a relatively powerless state, but that you are willing to leave millions of poor americans without health care based on some out of date ideological prejudice. Your priorities and values are screwed up, and your sense of right and wrong are distorted into a hateful tangle of justification, rationalization and hatemongering.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmaahhhh……
what a sweet and laughable review….
another day of relentless dull-wittedness from our Righty friends…
I’d get the lockjaw were I ever to get both my feet that far in my mouth, all while I still had my head up my ass – gotta hand it to them, or get them a job in the circus – I’ve never seen a 14 year-old Czech contortionist twisted into so many unnatural positions.
even the spam in my inbox today seems rational and plausible, when compared to their strident jabber.
take heart friends, their caustic battlements are crumbling, their faux-heroes and false prohets succumbing to their own filth daily, their malicious misdeeds and falsehoods cast into the light of day with each passing news cycle. we will be rid of them. we will make progress in spite of them, and America will again be a home where all who are not twisted with bitter-heartedness will be proud to live.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pmnothing you’d be capable of hearing – you’re a lost cause – too blind to see your own shame in the mirror.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pm…and you’re a petty-minded beee-yatch.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:35 pmwhat Ryan Neat just posted is NOT complete blather as you put it. And yes, you have used the terms bastard, lies regarding the progressive side of this issue… it is all under this thread for all to see.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pm50% of our tax payer dollars goes to the pentagon, check out the pie on the right Billions … money we could spend give ALL access to a decent health care system. Why are we the only country that spends 50% on defense and yet we can not figure out how to provide health care for all as every other industrialized nation?
It’s called the “General Welfare Clause”, mikey-tike, and it’s right there at the beginning of the Constitution, accessible even to ADHD sufferers.
save the scrooge-talk for your righty buds, and find a blog that suits your “worldview” better.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmyou’re the one with nothing to say mikey-tike.
buh-bye now
September 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBecause it’s NOT the governments job!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Prove it.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pmwait a sec – maybe we should do the Democratic thing, and have the other posters vote on it
whaddya say?
winner stays, loser goes away for good.
shall we?
(voting can be accomplished easily via the “recommend” feature)
3:47 pacific right now – let’s agree on a time to “close the polls”, then the tally can be very easily verified by all the voters, even if they’re from CA or OH.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:48 pm1 vote per thread contributor, previously registered posters only.
(who am i kidding, no righty would voluntarily participate in a fair contest)
September 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI say Michael goes. He’s worse than useless.
September 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmmichael,
September 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmmaybe you do work for the HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY, but you obviously do not have your facts straight about how your CEO’s are raking in the millions. I invite you to listen to Bernie Ward 10pm – 1am mon-fri pacific time on kgo.com
He is always giving facts about the health care insurance industry. His wife is a pediatrician so he has much to say about that point of view, (how patients are denied care and physicians are rewarded for that) also. All are very welcome to call in and debate the issues.
Otto:
A liberal is a conservative who’s had to deal with a health insurance company.
Because they’ll have had an illness, gone to their doctor, the doctor will prescribe treatmen, and after all the treatment is done, thee insurance will suddenly decide not to cover the treatment.
Insurance companies drop clients in the middle of an illness.
And that little phrase ‘pre-existing conditions’? If you get dropped while being treated for cancer, guess what you can’t get insurance for? That’s right!
Insurance premuims have been going up 20% a year–even in the depths of recession. That wonderful comment “they should have thought of that before they had kids”–If you’re on budget, and getting ahead, is there anybody who can deal with an expense that doubles every four years?
Otto, Michael, this system is bankrupting GENERAL MOTORS.
Guys, there are millions of people, tens of millions out there who, not so longago, were doing quite well: good paying jobs, nice house, nice school district, the future looking better than today–and today they can be making more, theoretically doing better–but they’re terrified of getting sick, or of their kids getting sick.
Because every year their nice big companies have shaved down their coverage, increased the co-pay, droppe dependent care–or dropped it all together. Or they move (up) from job to job and watch how Cobra eats up their savings.
Health insurance now costs, for many people, much more than their mortgages–and it continues to climb. And it also gives no ‘insurance’ that their medical bills will be paid.
Here’s a bit of Econ 101, boys: if somebody cane up with an insurance plan that agreed, for a premium to guarantee up front to pay your bills no matter what, no excluding pre-existing conditions, and never drop you? Do you know how popular that would be? Do you know how many people would run at top speed to sign up, even at a big increase?
But you can’t buy that insurance. Nobody offers it.
So when there’s an enormous demand and nobody supplying it, something’s pretty wrong, marketwise, isn’t it?
what do you think is stopping that, do you think?
But actually, there is insurance like that. My sister has it. And moreover, she pays the year’s premium when the year is over.
That’s because she lives in Switzerland.
She pays it with her income tax. And she pays for world-class health care for less than I pay for cable.
As a matter of fact, most people in industrialized nations have that kind of insurance. They can live their lives without hasving to worry that an illness or an accident will throw their families out of their houses. and if they feel thay’re being mistreated, they can talk to their elected representative instead of mortgaging their house for a lawyer to sue the insurance company (while you all scream ‘tort reform!”)
This is not just a horrible situation, but it’s getting worse rapidly. Premiums are going up 20% again, and will next year. Those of us actually running businesses, making payrolls and raising families see the ground crumbling.
But of course, you’ll still go, “Sorry, they shouldhave seen if they could afforded it before they started that automobile company!”
September 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pm“He is always giving facts about the health care insurance industry.
Comment by had enoughâ€
He is, huh? And just where does he get his “facts†from?
Comment by Michael —
September 29th, 2007 at 7:10 pmLike I said before, you are welcomed to call in… in fact unlike hate America radio, progressive radio asks for the opposing side to call in as it brings up the ratings. Time and time again you folks never really do not have an argument.
so call Bernie Ward and ask him… he will be glad to tell you all about it.
Hey zooey, where’s wayne?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
Why do you ask?
September 29th, 2007 at 7:14 pmwhat do you think it provides for Mike?
i’m sure you’ve thought about it before, dilligent constitutional scholar and civic-minded mofo that you are –
you tell us, ’cause we’re just a bunch of [insert righty stereotype for everyone else here], and we’re just too goddamned ignorant to read and comprehend english ourselves, but we unanimously acknowledge that you are the one definitive and authoritative source of all infomation.
the vastness of your conceit is astounding, bro, and i pity the people who have to be around you on a daily basis.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWell thank you very much for the compliment but my presence here is not to display for you my genius, no I’m here to call out you dopes on your stupid liberal rhetoric!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
I thought you were the comic relief.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pmBecause I’m bored with most of you! I wanted to pick on wayne for awile.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
If I see him, I’ll tell him you were asking about him — and we’ll have a laugh.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThe people who are around me on a daily basis at least make sense unlike you leftists.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Then why aren’t you
September 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pminflicting yourself onspending time with them?Wow! At least you can laugh about it?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
We’ll be laughing AT you.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pm“Insurance companies drop clients in the middle of an illness.â€
Give us an example?
My friend and artistic collaborator. (We worked on Dr. Strange together.) He developed severe respiratory problems. He was doing well, and as a freelsancer, he paid his own insurance. Two years into the illness, the insurance company dropped his coverage, and he couldn’t get any other insurance. He ended up with medical bills of over $250,000. He declared bankruptcy, lost his house, got a divorce, and moved to Oregon.
He lived without health insurance until 4 years ago, when he went on medicare. “It was like sliding for home. I made it.”
September 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pmI see Michael’s got nothing to say about your friend, pbg. Typical.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:34 pmAnd it figures that dopes like you would interpret that into government provided health care.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Or you could look at previously settled cases, like Sunshine Anthracite Coal v. Adkins, 1940.
“there has long been recognition of the authority of Congress to obtain … social, health or economic advantages from the exercise of constitutional powersâ€
Congress’s authority over “commerce among the several States†empowers the national government to address all activity, “whatever its nature … if it exerts a substantial economic effect on interstate commerce.
But, if we want to return to “provide for the general welfare†for a moment, since the phrase “health care” did not exist at the time of the Founders, we can’t say they wouldn’t have considered health to fall under the umbrella of general welfare. There is no right to privacy in the Constitution either, but courts, over the years, have decided there is an inherent right to privacy that is protected.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:37 pmHit that enter key too soon zooey?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Nope.
Not “renewing” is the same as “being dropped,” moron.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:43 pmComment by Candyceâ€
Says who? You?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Says me about what? That the phrase health care did not exist at the time of the founders?
September 29th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIt never happens in group coverage.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
Obviously pbg’s friend had an individual policy, shit for brains, and he posed a risk because he f*cking got sick.
Defend that!
September 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pmDo you always call people names like a 3rd grader?
Only stupid people like you.
We don’t know all the facts and you surely don’t. I’m sure there was a good reason for the cancellation.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Let’s just pretend that pbg’s friend had an individual policy, always paid his premiums on time, and abided by all the terms of the policy, but he happened to get sick.
Defend the cancellation of that policy.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:56 pmNo! “we can’t say they wouldn’t have considered health to fall under the umbrella of general welfare.â€
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Ok, never mind. For some reason I thought I was conversing with someone with at least a few brain cells. Carry on.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pmNo it’s not! People are dropped or canceled for non payment. People are not renewed because they pose a risk and these are usually individuals. It never happens in group coverage.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
Look, you stupid shit, insurance companies screw people all the time. ALL THE TIME. They drop them for no reason ALL THE TIME. they are sued for it ALL THE TIME. They settle ALL THE TIME, with gag orders so that the publicity won’t get out of hand. You are remarkably ill-informed, and very stupid. ALL THE TIME.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:00 pmOn moral grounds I couldn’t defend it, but YOU don’t know the facts.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
You always have a big old BUT to stick in there don’t you? That’s your fluid morality for you.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:01 pmMichael, they can and they do.
and the only thing that stops them when they do is that eeeevil government regulation: the Illinois state legislature passed a law against it, but not all states do. Not where my friend lived.
And yes, it was a ‘we have decided not to renew your policy.’ If you think, well, that’s OK, then, then you’ve never seen its effects. Or you are a sociopath.
“Oh, they don’t do that!” “Nobody wants that bad publicity!”
Well, they don’t like that bad publicity–which is why they get Republicans to stand up and scream ’socialized medicine!’ and ‘the greatest health care in the world!” at every opportunity. And the media shine their kliegs obediently on them.
No, Michael, I’m not lying. I’m not leaving anything out. And you just can’t believe it. I only hope you never have to stare insolvency and ruin in the face because you find yourself with massive bills you thought you had insured against.
This is the real world talking, boy. And “Oh, they can’t do that!” is carved on an awful lot of tombstones.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:01 pmNo, Michael, I’m not lying. I’m not leaving anything out. And you just can’t believe it. I only hope you never have to stare insolvency and ruin in the face because you find yourself with massive bills you thought you had insured against.
This is the real world talking, boy. And “Oh, they can’t do that!†is carved on an awful lot of tombstones.
Comment by pbg — September 29, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
You’re too kind, pbg. I hope that Michael DOES have to face exactly that, and loses everything, and ends up on the street, freezing and hungry. that’s what it takes to educate a willfull sociopath, and that’s what he deserves.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:03 pmhttp://www.comcast.net/news/politics/index.jsp?cat=POLITICS&fn=/2007/09/29/775871.html
September 29th, 2007 at 8:05 pmActually LP, I hope he doesn’t have to face it because I hope we have universal healthcare before he graduates from Liberty University.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:10 pmRead # 262, stupid!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
Your illness taught you absolutely nothing.
Not surprising, really.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:16 pmIt will NEVER happen!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
It will most cetainly happen. I’m sure your ancestors felt the same way about slavery being ended, and women getting the vote, and children not working 10-hour days in factories. This is the same issue: the rich waging class warfare on everybody else, and they will lose, as they always have, and always will, because when the rubber meets the road, it is the rich who’s heads roll. Universal healthcare works very well in most other industrialized, civilized nations, and it work very well here, saving the nation hundreds of billions of dollars annually, saving many thousands of lives, and putting the big insurance companies out of business, which is long overdue. There is no reason to fight it, except the greed of the very rich. You will save tax dollars, not spend more. That’s a fact. There is no other reason anybody ever brings up except the phony tax dodge. It’s coming, healthcare for every American, and soon.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:18 pmthat’s too bad, Michael, i would have hoped you would learn something about other people’s situations because of that. I hope you have a relapse, you subhuman shit.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:19 pmSure it did and that was thank God I didn’t have to deal with a government agency to get my operation and medicine.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
there you go, greedy sociopath all the way. I’ve got mine, and f*ck the rest of you. The cancer on your soul was untouched by the chemo, i see.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:21 pmWow! Are you insinuating force?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
You bet your ass. Read some history, including the founding of this country.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSure it did and that was thank God I didn’t have to deal with a government agency to get my operation and medicine.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
It’s always been about you, you, you. F*ck the other guy, cuz you could afford COBRA.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:22 pmThe cancer on your soul was untouched by the chemo, i see.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — September 29, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Very well said, LP.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:24 pmYou may want to get a MRI as your brain doesn’t seem to be functioning correctly. Are you saying that you would rather deal with a government agency in getting a tumor removed from your colon?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Yes, you fool, rather than an insurance company. You have no idea how just plain lucky you were. You have no idea how many thousands of American die each year because of insurance companies. You have no idea how much better Canadians and Europeans have it with guaranteed care for everyone. You have no idea of what it is to be an American.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:26 pmOr are you going to look to your Uncle Sam to bail your useless *sses out?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
As long as Uncle Sam can bail Chrysler’s useless ass out, he can bail mine out. It will be much cheaper, much easier, and much more useful. It’s over, michael. The discussion is now when, not if. Suck it up, buddy, America is going to join the club of civilized nations, finally. We’re burying the GOP, and we’re getting universal healthcare. Two great steps forward.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:29 pmIs that why many of them come here for their operations?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Another myth.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:30 pmIs that why many of them come here for their operations?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
No more than Americans go there for their medicines and operations, you ignorant shit. Do the research instead of puking up your ignorant lies. You don’t have a clue of what the facts are, not a clue. You are wrong.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:30 pmYour liberal problem is you don’t prepare for the worse. One day most of you will end up in a hospital for some kind of surgery. Are you going to be prepared? I was. Or are you going to look to your Uncle Sam to bail your useless *sses out?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
I don’t need anyone to bail me out, thank you. I’m a lucky person, but since I know I’m not the center of the universe, I know not everyone is as fortunate as I am, and would like for them to have at least similar chances in life. It takes nothing away from me to help my fellow man.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmNo they won’t! The national insurance industry is too powerful! How come you liberals are always looking for a free handout?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
NOBODY’S looking for a free handout, nobody. We’re looking for what the founders put into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitiution, we’re looking for America. The insurance industry is too powerful/ You said that/ I’m glad y8ou askowledeg it, because that’s exactly why they’re going to be destroyed, because they’re too powerful. They’re too rich, too greedy, and they murder hundreds of thousands of people every year. YOU FINALLY GOT ONE RIGHT!
September 29th, 2007 at 8:35 pmYeah, well maybe you never will graduate..
No, Michael, that’s a stupid and dishonest logical fallacy. Your story only proves that it doesn’t always happen. And I never said that everubody gets dropped.
And I know my friend intimately. When we were working together, we talked together every day. I knew his wife. I knew his parents, may they rest in peace. I knew what his religious views are. I knew the age and with whom he lost his virginity. I knew what weight brush he used and when he was tired of my storyline. I went to his father’s funeral. A fellow of infinite jest.
I mentioned him because you asked for an instance. I will not give you his name because I don’t have the right. But for the last time, I will tell you nicely that there was nothing else. He was doing well. He could easily afford his premiums. But then they dropped him and he couldn’t get insurance from anywhere–not one that didn’t exclude pre-existing conditions, i.e. the disease he was suffering from at that time. Not from anybody.
I remember the catch in his voice and I wanted to kill somebody. And I remember how he calmed mr down.
And you still say ‘they don’t do that’.
They do.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:35 pmYes they do get meds there but they certainly don’t go there for operations, idiot!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
You’ll need to prove that, idiot, and you can’t.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:36 pmLeave me out of it!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
No one expects anything from you, Michael. We know what you are.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:37 pmThe national insurance industry is too powerful! How come you liberals are always looking for a free handout?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Of all the absurdities I’ve heard you spew michael, this one ranks right up there at the top.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThe national insurance industry is powerful because they will not pay out.
They are in it for the profit on the bottom line.
Liberals are looking for a way to care for everyone across the board, regardless of whether they are a have, or a have not, or a have more.
Shucks! Why don’t you tell me?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Because you can’t handle the truth. You’re a stone coward and a subhuman piece of turd on the bottom of my shoe. All the facts in the world arfe of no use with a mentally ill person like you. You’d rather the government take your money to enrich mass-murderers than save you money to ensure the health of the children of your own country. That’s really very sick. But that’s you.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:39 pmYes that is what I’m saying, there has to be cause!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Wrong again.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pmAnd you still say ‘they don’t do that’.
They do.
Comment by pbg — September 29, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
You’re not going to make a dent in Michael’s little dream world, pbg. He wouldn’t survive the cognitive dissonance, if he actually admitted there was a chance an insurance company did something wrong.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pm“Yes that is what I’m saying, there has to be cause!”
Why?
September 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pmLOL
September 29th, 2007 at 8:42 pmMichael must be recommending his own posts… he’s the only troll here!
Not only was I unaware a poster could vote for themselves, the thought never crossed my mind.
Pathetic.
LOL
PS, Michael, you missed a couple…
September 29th, 2007 at 8:44 pmNevar,
There must a troll lurking, you can’t recommend yourself. :D
September 29th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI’m not the one who said just as many Americans go to Canada for operations as Canadians coming here. You did! And I said in essence that I don’t believe you so YOU need to back up your statement with FACTS!
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
You’re the one who said they were coming here first, and you have no proof, no numbers, no facts. I maintain that Americans are going abroad for medicines and treatment in the same numbers, and you have no proof otherwise. And all the facts as given to you about pbg’s friend are not enough for you, absolute proof of your insanity and filthy, cancer-ridden soul. So, you’re wrong, I’m right, as it ever was. Nothing yu can say will change that, because you’re a sick person, with a deep, abiding hatred of your fellow citizens, and a fear of everything you are told to be afraid of. It’s small wonder you can’t muster the courage to go fight Bush’s war for oil.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:45 pmDo you ever read what you type before hitting the enter key?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
why do you ask? Everything seems perfectly clear to everyone else here.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:46 pmOnly 90 of 18,000 respondents to the 1996 Canadian NPHS indicated that they had received care in the United States during the previous twelve months, and only twenty had indicated that they had gone to the United States expressly for the purpose of getting that care. – Canadian National Population Health Survey (NPHS)
Another myth busted. Next?
September 29th, 2007 at 8:50 pmThanks Zooey, I didn’t think so.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:51 pmIt wouldn’t be very ethical.
Trolls? Lurking?
El Bigpoot is on the other thread, maybe it’s him.
Another myth busted. Next?
Comment by Candyce — September 29, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Well? mikey? hello?
September 29th, 2007 at 8:52 pmNevar,
The idiocy of the troll never surprises me anymore. ;)
September 29th, 2007 at 8:56 pmmichael
September 29th, 2007 at 9:05 pmhere is a sample:
Health Insurance Crisis Worsens while Aetna Posts Profit
since this article came out a few years ago we know this situation has worsened. Besides hearing the facts from Bernie Ward, Thom Hartman, Dennis Kucinich, Ed Schultz are all talking about it..
You can waste your time, avoid the real issue by questioning each and every crossed t in the article or you can face facts… Accept the fact the health insurance industry is a farce, more and more are becoming informed of this and your job will be history .
A day in the life of an internet troll-
September 29th, 2007 at 9:12 pm1. go to mailbox; hope your SSI check ain’t ben stolen again.
2. it’s there- score meth
3. do meth; sex with sister/mom.
4. thirsty, PBR run. more nasty w/ neighbors’ kid.
5. time fer the li-berry! child porn and bothering thinking folks online!
yee-haw!
6. crash, repeat.
Michael, I’m sorry, but that’s not a proper answer.
You kept insinuating that my friend must have been hiding some secret sin from me that caused him to lose his insurance.
And when I asked why there MUST be a cause, you respond that he had violated the laws of statistics? That the actuarial tables decreed against him?
Michael, listen to me.
If you believe that it is a fault to be a certain age–
That it is a fault to get a disease–
That a berson is to be blamed for that, that those are grounds for putting a man through hell–
then I tell you, Michael, that it is not my friend’s secret sin–it is the insurance company’s.
September 29th, 2007 at 9:20 pm#310 – neoconsrscum-
You forgot one- This should be number 6:
6. Torture small animals
September 29th, 2007 at 9:57 pmyay bartlebee!
he’s still at the top of my list…
September 29th, 2007 at 10:47 pm…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 29, 2007
September 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmGod calls us children.
“Of course I want to bring the Kingdom of God! It’s the raison d’être of my existence!”
God does not wish to be found, its you, manm that must find yourself and whemn you have peace upon your planet then shall God, or Karma, be known.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmTo the democrats stop playing catch up.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pmIf troll Michael really works for the insurance industry and makes a lot of money from it, as he claims in some posts, that is already enough to explain much of what is wrong with health care in the US nowadays. I mean, how many of you would like to have someone like Michael make the decision as to whether the insurance company will actually cover your medical bills?
September 30th, 2007 at 1:33 amLora….
*shudder*
September 30th, 2007 at 1:39 amzooey, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Your ignorance is showing, poor old fellow. The 5 year gap is between the end of service and his discharge from reserves. Kerry had 2 discharges, and there’s no 5 year gap. Only wingnut fools fall for this one – so just look in the mirror and realize who and what you are – sucker!
September 30th, 2007 at 4:00 amBecause all insurance companies use statistics in deciding who to insure and how much premiums to charge. If I went back to the insurance company I was insured with during my illness and applied for a IFP policy, I’d be laughed out the door.
Comment by Michael — September 29, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
Which is why insurance companies shouldn’t be trusted with our health. They’re too heartless, immoral and selfish – certainly explains your career choice!
September 30th, 2007 at 4:02 am>My I suggest some reading of the U.S. Constitution prior to any further >attempts
Bigfwat, my I suggest some reading of the Websters dictionary before you try to argue that would shouldn’t give weight to a report from the Government Accountability Office about the iraq war because we shouldnt
let accountants run the war.
>It’s mommy and daddy’s responsibility to provide for their
> children’s welfare otherwise, don’t have them!
ah…micheal… an argument that revolves around reproductive choices coming from a fetus-hugging embryo-humping riech winfer. So you’re saying abortions are better than the government paying for a child’s healthcare, right?
Or are you really saying, “if you don’t want to worry about health insurance for your offspring, dont have sex?”
(But I’m SURE you in favor of educating people about safe sex, right Micheal?)
Or in your mind are people supposed to make resonsible reproductive choices in the abscense of both options and knowledge?
Oh, and one question.. please explain your logic, by which its acceptable for the american government to build hopsitals in iraq that provide free care for iraqis, but its not ok so show that degree of concern for our fellow americans unless thier related to us?
>The point I’m making is there has to be a good reason for being cancelled.
Right, and you using a singular case, your own, to try and make that point.
Because thank god that every insurance company and empoyer in america treats everyone like they treat you.
Oh, and by the way…..courts have determined that yes, financial considerations are “good” reasons for people to be deprived of healtcare. In a non-privatized stystem, that would be one reason that was no longer valid in the eyes of the law. besides, the rich can always affort thier own doctors and sugery centers of choice.. that wont change.. the only thing that would change is that some of your precious money would go toward helping your fellow americans instead of merely going toward bullets and bombs to kill brown people.
boy, what a bummer that must be for you… helping someone in a way that doesnt involve killing someone..
oh, and please explain one thing that fits into the defnition of “general welfare” if you dont think “healthcare” involves a person’s “welfare”
You’re welcome to come play with me on any thread you want mikey.
September 30th, 2007 at 6:55 amI
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/opinion/polls/main2528357.shtml
won’t deny CBS has a SLIGHT left wing slant.. still.. these numbers are very telling.. apparently most people are ok with spending some tax dollars so their fellow americans can have a little more of life’s necessities..
brilliant use of kids to make the republicans look heartless.. i love to see the democrats finally growing a pair and thowing the mud back…
September 30th, 2007 at 7:58 am