Kristol’s Dark Humor: Bush’s ‘Heartless Assault On Our Children’ Is ‘A Good Idea’
Kristol’s Dark Humor: Bush’s ‘Heartless Assault On Our Children’ Is ‘A Good Idea’
On Fox News Sunday this morning, NPR’s Mara Liasson said that President Bush’s expected veto of an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which passed both the House and Senate on a strong bipartisan basis, will be seen as “a heartless blow against children.”
Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, who supports Bush’s veto, laughingly joked:
First of all, whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea. I’m happy that the President’s willing to do something bad for the kids.
Kristol then disparaged yesterday’s Democratic Radio Address, delivered by a 12-year-old boy named Graeme Frost who had received care under the SCHIP program, calling it “pathetic.” “You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are,” concluded Kristol. Watch it:
NPR’s Juan Williams rebutted Kristol’s callous approach to children’s health care. “When you have 3.7 million uninsured children in America, you know you have a crisis,” said Williams. He then ripped Kristol’s disparagement of the Democratic Radio Address as hypocritical because conservatives “use soldiers and everything else to bolster their arguments”:
WILLIAMS: I’m surprised to hear you say, “Oh, how dare you use a child.” What do Republicans do except use soldiers and everything else to bolster their arguments.
KRISTOL: Soldiers aren’t children.
WILLIAMS: Oh come on. Yeah, use uniforms and everything else. And in fact, put on — politicians get in uniforms and get on ships to talk about “missions accomplished.” C’mon.
The expansion of SCHIP that Bush is threatening to veto would extend coverage to 4 million children who would otherwise be uninsured.
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I hope KRISTOL gets a severe and debilitating disease.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amKristol’s humor is merely a reflection of what a cold-hearted POS he really is. He really doesn’t give a damn about children, except when he needs a late night snack.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:16 amHis doctor can commit him. Another can as well. Clearly this thing has lost it’s right to be human. It needs to be caged for observation
September 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amthis is how rich people think
September 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amLet’s eat his children.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amIs Williams finally getting fed up with these clowns? It seems to me that he’s taking them to task more often and more strenuously. Good to see him apparently growing a pair.
jb
September 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by Picklee — September 30, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Vampires don’t have children, except the “children of the night!”
September 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amWhy does Kristol hate America?
September 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by dixie blood — September 30, 2007 @ 11:37 am
LOL
September 30th, 2007 at 11:51 amI try to imagine what kind of people - Fox viewers - would listen to that phrasing - “I’m happy that the President’s willing to do something bad for the kids” - and approve of it. In other words, when is the commentary too much even for them? Judging by their defense of Rush’s phony soldiers comments this week, apparently never.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:52 amplease, stop feeding this beast by putting him front and center everytime he opens his mouth to utter some new abomination… oh, goodness, gosh, golly and gee-willikers, bill kristol said something outrageous - AGAIN… that this man continues to exist is a sad fact but we don’t have to reinforce him by paying constant attention to him…
September 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
Why does Kristol hate America?
Comment by Kay — September 30, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Wouldn’t you hate a country that offers free health insurance to children? If children want health insurance they should get a job and purchase it.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI found it most telling on FnS this morning when they discussed:
“Was the Democratic debate a big win for Republicans?”
Then avoided any mention whatsoever of the GOP debate where the top four stayed away while their podiums lay empty on stage.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI’m trying to imagine the Republican response if a known Democratic pundit said that.
What am Ithinking? There ARE NO “known Democratic pundits”! :)
September 30th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI hope KRISTOL gets a severe and debilitating disease.
Comment by km4 — September 30, 2007 @ 11:15 am
He already has one ….. called NeoCon Chickenhawk Faux NoNooz cancer, and it is malignant and fatal (to the rest of the world). The good news is, since he is on Faux, the exposure rate is very low, and most people watching him are already infected and their tiny brains are dying off.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmNow he is being used to slam Bill Kristol.
Interesting.
Comment by JSchmoAZ — September 30, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
How is he being used? Does he take “instructions” from Soros?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmwhenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea.
Does this twit have any children?
Oh, I forgot, he meant other people’s children.
Kristol is likely exempting himself (and his family) from the rules he wants to enforce on everyone else, as any good “conservative” would do.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pm> Perhaps Kristol was referencing the fact that SCHIP will cover
> ‘children’ who are 25 years old, thats right, 25.
Heaven forbid we allow an obscure loophole to be exploited that gives perhaps 10,000 mid-twenties “kids” to coverage that will gradually be phased out just so MILLIONS of low income kids can be covered.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIt’s too bad Williams forgot about Bush’s “Snowflake babies”. Bush used them to justify vetoing a stem cell research bill. And Bush’s using those children was much more egregious than the Democrats using the young man they did. If the cells that were used to make those children had not been used, the would have been washed down the drain, so Bush using the children was a false comparison. Whereas the young man who spoke for the Democrats quite likely would have died without the SCHIP program, so there is a direct correlation.
Kristol is a heartless ass. Always has been and always will be.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhy is anyone giving this fascist air time? He’s a member of PNAC and his own grandfather is dubbed “the grandfather of the neo-fascist movement”. He has no credibility so why do we have to listen to his nonsense and see his necrotic face?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pmDepending upon how Bush handles this “child veto”, it may bright about the total devastation of not only the GOP but of all of the reichwingnut presidential candidates. They won’t even have to spend another dime on a losing campaign. If you tamper with “our children” and mistreat them, the wrath of the people will fall down upon you like the plague. Actually, they’ll wish for a few bubos when this is over, won’t they?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmOver time states have deviated from the original intent of SCHIP and have used the SCHIP budget to provide healthcare for not only children, but parents, pregnant women, and childless adults.
Comment by Caring Liberal
Would you care to provide proof of this assertion? I doubt you will, but who knows, maybe you aren’t just spouting out your ass.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
This is a sad attempt at a spin.
For all you know, he could have been talking about the newly born, the abandoned, on foster care, and/or homeless children.
Kristol would have had to make a comment along the lines you are trying to spin, for you comment to have any semblance of reality.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmGoogle this jackass’s grandfather to see where his genes are coming from: IRVING KRISTOL - GRANDFATHER OF THE NEO-FASCIST MOVEMENT AND STUDENT OF LEO STRAUSS.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI know where we can get the money to fund insuring children… I hear there’s an illegal war going on that’s been costing a lot.
~Sean
September 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
You didn’t.
You didn’t just try to change the subject, did you?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmMugsy: Yeah….avoid the obvious, that’s the Republican and whoring media’s mantra. Everyone knows that the “big topic” this sunday is how the four goofball repuke frontrunners didn’t have the respect or courage to appear at the black debate. What a group of pussies!
September 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSo several days ago, when Juan Williams backed up Bill Oâ€Rielly, many posters here castigated him. Now he is being used to slam Bill Kristol.
Interesting.
Comment by JSchmoAZ
All it says is that we give credit where credit is due. When someone on Faux Noise occasionally does the right thing we praise them for it. Do you have a problem with that?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmSean, would you mean that illegal war going on which is destroying this country economicaly for decades to come? Not to mention destroying our international rep as well?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmMugsy: Yeah….avoid the obvious, that’s the Republican and whoring media’s mantra. Everyone knows that the “big topic†this sunday is how the four goofball repuke frontrunners didn’t have the respect or courage to appear at the black debate. What a group of pussies!
Comment by Veritas — September 30, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Add up Katrina, the never-ending Iraq quagmire, the dissing of the Black vote and the uncaring attitude towards children (unless they are male Pages), and you have the perfect storm for the flushing of the Repugs in ‘09.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmYeah I still don’t watch FOX. Neither should you.
Williams and Liasson are Neocons.
Yeah the Democrats are using children for sure. And you can always count on Pelosi to play the Christian card, too. But Bush, being a sociopath, fails to see the error of not talking to Americans about this.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pmRepublican idealogues killing their party.
So the Republicans what a health care plan that “make it easier for families to BUY health insurance.” What a great plan……Bill if you DON’T have the money how can you aBUY it?!!!! And by the way Bill, a soldier is someone’s child!
September 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pmUmmmm folks? it was a joke. I think Kristol is a patronizing a$$hole but he’s not *really* saying he loves things that are bad for kids. It almost goes without saying, but all he means is that the higher rhetoric is ratcheted up (in his case, by the Democrats), the more he thinks what they’re fighting against is a good idea. I’m sure there are plenty of parallels on the other side that we’d agree with — every time Republicans describe something as being a harbinger of the death of marriage, I think it’s probably a good idea. Does that mean I’m against marriage, or that I just think Republicans are ridiculous?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe fact that this chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering, coward, has a forum each and every week to spew his horse sh$t, is a sad thing for all of America. William Kristol is one of the worst this country has ever turned out and to date has been wrong about absolutely every prediction he has made. We should find some way to allow him to experience the war he desires so much.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmBill, the American people ARE “stupid” enough to believe that Schip is a
good thing- and they’re slowly waking from their long sleep and
eschewing your neoCON bullshit, as well. Your agenda is an endangered
species, like neoCON scum, educated idiots like you should be- you should
be tarred, feathered, and put in stocks with all your scummy, idealistic
moron fellow thinkers, and have the parents of all the KIDS YOU’VE
KILLED let you know just how “appreciative” they are for your bullshit.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmHeaven forbid we allow an obscure loophole to be exploited that gives perhaps 10,000 mid-twenties “kids†to coverage that will gradually be phased out just so MILLIONS of low income kids can be covered.
Comment by Mugsy
Also, there is very little chance any of that funding would be there for these kinds up to 25. The program uses a bottom up approach. It is appropriated to the most needy first as defined by age and family income. So, by the time you would get to these “kids up to 25″ there likely will be no money left. And even if there is, so what. If we had a single payer health care system we wouldn’t need SCHIP. If this country honored its citizens by the notion that health care is a right and not a privilege like all other industrialized nations do.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmAnother “obscure†loophole is that SCHIP would cover people earning up to $85k per year, certainly not the orignal intent of a plan designed to assist those of moderate incomes.
Close the loopholes and make SCHIP was it is supposed to be, close them before the final bill passes instead of proclaiming “dont worry that little loophole will someday be taken care of.â€
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
That “loophole is only adjusted for a few areas of the country where the cost of living is much higher, just like most companies offer for their employees who are transferred to, or travel to expensive places. But you have nver had that experience, right?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhat am Ithinking? There ARE NO “known Democratic punditsâ€! :)
Comment by Mugsy
That is not true, there are known Democratic pundits. They are just rarely heard and when they are given a voice, they use their voice in a measured and intelligent way unlike Mr. Kristol who squeals like a stuck pig every time something happens that he doesn’t like.
But, it is an interesting thought. Imagine some Democratic Pundit criticizing Bush’s use of the Snowflake Children by saying that it would have been fine with them if the cells those children came from were washed down the drain. You would hear howls of protest from the Right.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmGood liberals would never espouse the need to reduce our greenhouse-gas emissions while flying in private jets, isnt that right Mr. Gore?
Comment by Caring Liberal
Right Wing Loon “Caring Liberal” (don’t you just love it when they choose a moniker that is the opposite of who they are) has joined the other Right Wing Loons on this site. Welcome and be prepared to be crucified.
Why have you not linked to your assertion in #20? If you are going to survive on this blog, you need to be able to back up your assertions. Otherwise we will all conclude that you are just another Right Wing Loon talking out of his ass.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are,â€
Now that’s gotta win the prize of the day for sheer gall and irony. Here’s a guy who’s demonstrated time and again that there is nothing he won’t say and no one he won’t sacrifice to advance his world view, which seems to be centered around making sure wealthy, doughy, white guys stay at the top of the food chain. Craven self-interest, in other words.
He’s a lot like President Bush in that way.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pmElections in Ukraine
new toilet dividers in Minneapolis as Craig doesnt step back
September 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmComment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Better yet, let’s get on with what we know is righteous and let’s invade a country that poses no threat, then continue to occupy it in spite of what most citizens in both countries want or think.
Let’s forget to round up people who we will accuse of being terrorists, throw them in prison indefinitely, suspend the right to Habeas Corpus, listen to phone conversations without a warrant, insist that waterboarding is not torture (and advocate its ongoing application on said prisoners), then raise the stakes by declaring that anyone who protests these measures is a “terrorist sympathizer”.
Now, do you have a point to make or do you just want to antagonize commenters in this thread, troll?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmAnother “obscure†loophole is that SCHIP would cover people earning up to $85k per year, certainly not the orignal intent of a plan designed to assist those of moderate incomes.
Comment by Caring Liberal
You know, Mr. Right Wing Loon, $85,000 a year for a family of four in New York City (where it would apply) IS A MODERATE INCOME. And, again, since this is a bottom up program, there is very little chance there would be money there for these people in the first place.
BTW, we are still waiting for you to prove what you said in post #20.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:42 pmNo credit for you Joe, get lost.
Comment by Caring Liberal
In case you haven’t noticed Mr. Right Wing Loon, LIEberman rarely votes with the Democrats these days. And even if he did, his warmongering and support of gutting our constitution are two things that disqualify him from any consideration as a liberal. LIEberman deserves the thrashing he is getting.
BTW, we are still waiting for you to back up the assertions you made in #20. Can’t do it? I’m not surprised. Just another Right Wing Loon talking out his ass.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pmCaring Liberal = Jake the Flake = Rory. Isn’t it funny that they are never all on the same thread? I wish that TP would register people by IP addresses rather than e-mail addresses. It is the only effective way to get rid of these Right Wing Loons.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThis whole American ‘right to free speech’ thing is overblown.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Yer allowed ta shoot off yer mouth here, aren’t ya?
Try disagreeing w/ the poobas over at Redstate or LGF and see how long yer comments last, or if yer welcome back, ever.
Gotta love all that “Let’s jes’ shoot ‘em in the head” pseudo-tough-guy talk they engage in at those rightie sites. I guess they’re jes’ takin’ a wide stance on the important issues.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pmOne could rightfully presume that you have already made up your mind about anything I might have to say. Doesnt exactly leave me much breathing space to make any points now does it?
Comment by Caring Liberal
You make Right Wing Loon talking points that you can’t back up, and you expect us to listen to anything you say. You expect us to discount the right wing talking points you post. Well Mr. “Caring Liberal”, it’s not our job to do that. It is your job to prove what you say, otherwise you are just another Right Wing Loon who talks out of his ass. Which is what you have proved yourself to be.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pmJust another Right Wing Loon talking out his ass.
Comment by bilbobaggins — September 30, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Geez, Bilbo. You used to lecture some of us about playin’ wi’t tha trolly-trolls.
What happened?
September 30th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“Soldiers aren’t Children.” In fact he’s right. They’re even more vulnerable because they can be ordered to shut their mouths and bend over for the photo-op, and probably even say the things the chimp-crew want them to say. Bill Kristol, another sniveling, traitorous cowardly apologist for disaster.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:51 pmComment by bilbobaggins — September 30, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
I don’t know, bilbo, this loon reminds me more of mighty aphrodite/valiant venus.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmWhat happened?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I got angry, very angry! Besides, since everyone else does it, I finally decided there there was no reason for me to deprive myself of some fun to offset the anger.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmTo upside99 and bilbobaggins - thank you for confronting Caring Liberal for his (her?) fudging of the actual provisions of the SCIP bill. Caring Liberal attempts to smear the whole bill by misrepresenting the upper income limit as apllicable to all states. For those interested, the following is part of an editorial posted this morning in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
CORRECTING THE MYTHS
Critics of a proposal to expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program — including the White House — have stooped to misinformation and outright fabrication to justify opposing the idea. Here’s a sampling:
• Claim: Middle-class families will drop private coverage to enroll their kids in state programs. Faced with private premiums of $500 to $600 a month for minimal family coverage — as opposed to less than $100 a month to cover their children under SCHIP — some families may indeed take this risky option. But studies in the first 10 years of the program show the state programs are most popular among families who lose insurance coverage or through no fault of their own can’t get coverage.
• Claim: The expanded program will cover families making up to $83,000 a year. The bill allows one high-cost state, New York, to apply for an upper income limit of $83,000, but the federal government could reject that request. (New Jersey would be allowed to continue covering children in families of four making up to $72,100 a year.) Otherwise, no federal matching funds would be provided for state programs with eligibility levels above 300 percent of poverty, or $61,800 for a family of four.
• Claim: Illegal immigrants will be able to sign up for benefits. It is against federal law for illegal immigrants to sign up for SCHIP programs. That wouldn’t change.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmYes, it’s a joke, but it’s what Al Franken called ‘kidding on the square.’
To the folks who say, ‘he was making a joke’ I’ll ask, ’so does that mean he supports health care for children?’
All the apologists for Ann Coulter, when she advocates murder and insults widows, say she’s just making jokes, as if that excuses it.
Why on earth should cleverness excuse an assertion?
Bill Kristol is against SCHIP. He thinks that saving us from ’socialized medicine’ is more important than the children’s well being.
It’s not a joke in that he really feels otherwise; it’s not a joke in that he’s really neutral on it and just said it because it’s funny.
He really feels this way. He’s not joking, just being (or trying to be) clever.
I despise Kristol for the positions he actually holds. And he displayed them today.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmYou warn me that I may be considered a “Right Wing Loon†immediately after calling me a “Right Wing Loonâ€; liberal logic at its best.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
If you are going to pretend to be liberal, you don’t post like a “Right Wing Loonâ€.
Too bad you are so simple minded you gave yourself away the first post.
**LMAO at the silly troll
———————————————–
Need better trolls TP. Maybe we need an IQ test for them, before they are allowed to post. /snark
September 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmPeople who are griping about that 25-yr-old thing need to understand what it is, who it covers, and who makes the determination. It’s not about all 25-yr-olds in the nation under a certain income level getting SCHIP. Eligibility is determined by the individual states. The Bill simply gives the states the ability to insure up to 25 years of age IF they have a population in that demographic who cannot be insured otherwise, and the states design their own eligibility requirements based on what SCHIP allows. And, yes, 25-yr-olds are someone’s children.
Get a grip, cons.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmComment by Luca — September 30, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Thanks for the post, Luca.
You made me go looking on “the internets” for the article, and I found it here.
Fabrication and misinformation indeed.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmDon’t let the troll derail the thread. That its aim and its only purpose.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pmSo do you plan on staying home during the next election, considering that the major DFL player’s stance on the war doesnt exactly mirror that of Kucinich?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Do you plan on staying home during the next election if Rudy gets the nomination?
BTW, we the people turned on Lieberman well before the mid-terms. We’re not all in lockstep/stick-to-the-talking-points mode.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThe Bill simply gives the states the ability to insure up to 25 years of age IF they have a population in that demographic who cannot be insured otherwise, and the states design their own eligibility requirements based on what SCHIP allows. And, yes, 25-yr-olds are someone’s children.
Get a grip, cons.
Comment by Candyce — September 30, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
That is because of state laws that require insurance companies to cover kids while still in school/college or until they turn 25.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmIt is Federal law not overiding state laws in this instance.
Perhaps Kristol was referencing the fact that SCHIP will cover ‘children’ who are 25 years old, thats right, 25.
Mid-twenties children….veto please, Mr. President.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I think they’re trying to make it compatible with the tax code. The tax code allows someone to be claimed as a dependent up until the age of 25 but for some reason ($$$) republicans aren’t complaining about that.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmClaim: The expanded program will cover families making up to $83,000 a year. […]
And
The Bill simply gives the states the ability to insure up to 25 years of age IF they have a population in that demographic who cannot be insured
Followed by
I think they’re trying to make it compatible with the tax code.
Well, troll? Your response, rebuttal?
What happened, did you run out of talking points or you just cannot stay on topic?
September 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmNeed better trolls TP. Maybe we need an IQ test for them, before they are allowed to post. /snark
Comment by Wayne
You’re right “Caring Liberal” let the cat out of the bag on his/her first post. But, as usual, this is a bottom of the barrel Right Wing Loon. He/She can’t back up the crazy things that he/she posts. He/she had plenty of time to back up what they stated in #20 and chose not to do it. There by proving that “Caring Liberal” is a Right Wing Loon speaking out of his/her ass.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWhat happened, did you run out of talking points or you just cannot stay on topic?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — September 30, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
“IT” is more interested in “Slamming Evil Liberals”â„¢.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAnother “obscure†loophole is that SCHIP would cover people earning up to $85k per year, certainly not the orignal intent of a plan designed to assist those of moderate incomes.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
After a certain amount of income, SCHIP can be ran like a traditional health insurance company with copays and premiums albeit at a lower cost to the participants.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhy do you write: “NPR’s Mara Liasson” and “NPR’s Juan Williams”?
These folks work for and appear on Fox, suggesting a dual loyalty.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:23 pmFine, why have the age determination at all?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Did you read the other responses, the ones about the insurance companies and the tax code?
Do try to keep up.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:23 pmComment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Subject is about evil bastards that want Bush to veto insurance coverage for Children.
Please try to keep up. I know is is intellectually hard for you to do.
And thanks for already showing you stand on the evil bastard side of things.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmFine, why have the age determination at all? A 65 year old with living parents is, according to your technical determination, someone’s child.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Before commenting on Insurance Law, it may be a good idea to read upon it before showing your ignorance by posting.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmAnd the age determination comes from the fact that, at 20something, many are still in college, not earning any money, and absolutely dependent on their parents from the financial point of view.
Our troll either didn’t go to college, or has no children yet.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThats the point of the post I responded to, that Lieberman’s “warmongering†disqualifies him from being considered as liberal.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
He supports a war and occupation that has led to the deaths of countless people and he’s advocating for yet more war (with Iran) which will kill countless more. No one on the left is going to support him and his warmongering efforts.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“Caring Liberal” still has not backed up his assertion in #20 with proof thereby proving that what comes out of his/her mouth is nothing more than Right Wing Loon talking points, not facts.
So Right Wing Loon Caring Liberal, why have you not provided the proof behind your assertions in #20? Why do you ignore questions that people pose to you. Could it be because you are full of shit?
September 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pmLOL! I love you guys! Hung-up on a screen name and then so proud that you figured out I wasnt really a “caring liberalâ€. Gee, what clued you in to that?
LOL and LOL again!
Comment by Caring Liberal
No asshat, we figured it out with your first post. And I posted how stupid I thought your moniker was. It is juvenile for you Right Wing Loons to choose names like “Caring Liberal” or “John Kerry”.
We had your number after your first post.
Why have you not proved what you said in #20. Why would you think that we would listen to anything you have to say when you can’t back up your Right Wing Loon talking points?
September 30th, 2007 at 1:36 pmWait…you actually thought I was attempting to fool you into believing Im a liberal because of a simple screen-name such as “Caring Liberal�
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Nope. Never believed you were a liberal for even a second.
Your simple faulty logic still makes you look the fool.
I gave you some good advice at #82.
You still don’t get it.
Now that is truely what is funny.
Your own posts ridicule you with the glaring ignorance and lack of knowledge of the subject being discussed.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThe amazing thing about trolls is that no matter how criminal or how stupid the reichwing is, they will defend. They do not hav any ability to think for themselves or us reason. The 28% of America that supports this “worst president ever”, is undoubtedly made up of the goofiest people this country has to offer.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmCompassionate conservatism means compassion for the rich, the big polluters, and the crony capitalist war profiteers. It is class warfare and it is time to fight back!
September 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pmOver time states have deviated from the original intent of SCHIP and have used the SCHIP budget to provide healthcare for not only children, but parents, pregnant women, and childless adults.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Still you avoid backing up this statement and keep trying to change the subject.
Back up your statement with proof.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:53 pmNone of the major DFL presidential candidates will commit to any substantive anti-war measures and just a few days ago Clinton voted on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment in support of military action against ambiguously-worded Iranian ‘assets’.
The amendment didn’t call for military action.
Looks as if you might have to vote for Biden next year. Oh wait, he wants to send troops to Darfur…scratch him off the list. Guess that leaves you with Kucinich. Good luck.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
I’m voting for whoever is the Democratic nominee.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:53 pmBill Kristol–proof that not all the loons in the country have feathers and live at the lake.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pm# 91 Compassionate conservatism means compassion for the rich, the big polluters, and the crony capitalist war profiteers. It is class warfare and it is time to fight back!
Comment by Doc Rock — September 30, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Compassionate conservatism means socialist welfare programs for corporations and the rich, and a dog eat dog free market economy for the middle class and the poor.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIf the Democratic Party is really interested in changing the way the voting public views the GOP and its enablers in the traditional media, it is absolutely necessary to attack the sociopaths the right has stationed on major media outlets who promote Bushism in all its putrescent forms.
If the geniuses at the DNC and the DLC can tear themselves away from their lobster thermidor for a few minutes, they might consider hiring someone to do a simple TV commercial consisting only of Kristol making these comments, along with a few choice statements made by Kristol in strong support of Bush and the GOP. It doesn’t need to be more than 30 seconds, and should be run in any market where Congressional Republicans are vulnerable.
The conservative dominance of the airwaves did not happen overnight, and it will take time to break it down. The time to start is now. This should be part of an overall strategic plan that has as its practical, short-term goal the election of veto- and filibuster-proof Democratic majorities, with a long-term goal the destruction of the Bush brand of conservatism (which is anything but) as anything more than an crank ideology held by a small percentage of wealthy or ignorant Christianists.
I’m not holding my breath, though. I bet the lobster is far too important for the strategic visionaries infesting the highest ranks of the Dems. Another glass of chardonnay, please.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:03 pmNot specifically against Iran as a nation, yet the amendment did include the largest branch of the Iranian army being labeled as a terrorist organization, putting them square in the spotlight for potential military action.
I didn’t call for military action.
This amendment is a step closer to war with Iran and most of the dems went along with it, including the heir-apparent Hillary Clinton.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I don’t disagree with this.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pmThat should be:
I[t] didn’t call for military action.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
You are such a predictable bore, o. Bigfoot.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pmNYT 2 March 2007 –A majority of Americans say the federal government should guarantee health insurance to every American, especially children, and are willing to pay higher taxes to do it, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. … access to affordable health care is at the top of the public’s domestic agenda, ranked far more important than immigration, cutting taxes or promoting traditional values.
Read it and weep Right Wing Loon “Caring Liberal”.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pmAnd you are continuing to prove the point I made a while back, that the typical response I receive usually includes some peurile slander such as the “asshat†comment you felt necessary to include. Juvenile, you say?
Im not sure which is worse, being banned from an echo-chamber like DU because of a divergent viewpoint or dealing with adolescent remarks from people like you.
Comment by Caring Liberal
I’m sorry you don’t like the names we call you. They are simply a derivation of the names that Righties call us. Besides, they are the truth and if the truth hurts, so be it.
Calling you names that apply to who you are is no more “juvenile” than your spouting off your big mouth and then ignoring people when they as you to back up your assertions.
You still haven’t justified the assertions you made in post #20. Why is that? Until you can back up the talking points you spew here, no one is going to take you seriously.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHow can you simply rubber-stamp whoever the DFL nominee is when they seem to exhibit indications for..uh..â€warmongeringâ€?
Comment by Caring Liberal
It’s obvious you haven’t been around here for long or choose to ignore the fact that many people here are very disillusioned with our Democratic nominees for President. Unlike the Lemming Republics, liberals feel free to state their views even if they diverge from the Democratic Party views.
Personally the only candidate for President I think is worthy of our support is Dennis Kucinich. But, since the MSM has deemed him unelectable, he is given no platform for the public to get to know him and what he stands for. During the last “debate”, Tim Russert pretty much ignored Kucinich. And when the MSM reports what goes on at these “debates” (I put that in quotes because they are in no way real debates), at best they mention Kucinich in that “he was there” and nothing more.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:42 pmHow can you simply rubber-stamp whoever the DFL nominee is when they seem to exhibit indications for..uh..â€warmongeringâ€?
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Again, it didn’t call for military action. The part that called for Military action was taken out after Jim Webb and other Democrats objected to it.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:54 pmKristol is a sickening POS. He has no credentials other than his membership in the neocon society of sociopaths.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:16 pmNepotism got him where he is - not unlike GWB — and both are completely unqualified to comment on anything other than what’s for lunch.
Edwards also voted in favor and Obama managed not to cast a vote at all in a total passing senate vote of 76-22.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Uhh, not to burst your bubble, but Edwards didn’t cast a vote on this ….HE IS NOT IN THE SENATE ANYMORE!
Do you research or go home.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:27 pmPerhaps Kristol was referencing the fact that SCHIP will cover ‘children’ who are 25 years old, thats right, 25.
Mid-twenties children….veto please, Mr. President.
Comment by Caring Liberal — September 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I think they’re trying to make it compatible with the tax code. The tax code allows someone to be claimed as a dependent up until the age of 25 but for some reason ($$$) republicans aren’t complaining about that.
Comment by Nat — September 30, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Rich RePugniScums have children(? or lizards) who never leave home, except to go to Daddie’s college and then they move back home in a druken stupor.
That’s why the RePugniScums want the 25 year-old-child tax write offs but not coverage for the poor or middle class children who might not get the Rich-as-shit RePugniScum tax break and don’t have the Rich-as-shit money to cover the expense!!
September 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by Michael — September 30, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
How much do you pay for YOUR insurance? I pay $1250/month for my 2 children, and have a $35 copay and a $3500 family deductible? Some families don’t MAKE that much in a month. So how would they afford it?
September 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmTHEY ARE NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY, THEY’RE YOURS!
Comment by Michael — September 30, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Exactly, I take some responsibility for all kids in this country, so that is why I want to help, but you wouldn’t understand any kind of humanity or understanding of other people’s needs. What a excuse for a human being you are. And it shows you are no Christian, but so does your stance on the invasion of Iraq.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#49 > 99% liberal-rated Lieberman…
LMAO. The only thing close to “99%” Lieberman had was a Conservative voting record in favor of Bush’s policies.
Most people seem to forget that the only reason Gore selected him as his 2000 running mate is because he was one of one three (iirc) Democratic Senators that voted in favor of impeaching Bill Clinton.
Liberal, yeah, and I’m a Goose-stepping Nazi.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSocialist stands for Jesus, Mike.
September 30th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDon’t you have some orphans to kick around, or grandmas to steal medicine from today Mike? Did snake-handling let out early today?
September 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pm… or maybe a tough guy like you would prefer heading down south to take potshots at Mexicans with your nra militia buds…it’s a “free” country, so avail yourself of some more satisfying pasttime, whydontcha?
September 30th, 2007 at 6:14 pm>BTW, you turned on Lieberman over his war stance and nothing else.
yeah is voting to impeach clinton about a bl0wjob “a liberal stance”?
how about kissing bush? liberal too? I think most people turned on joe when it became obvious he wanted to start WWIII, for the sake of a foreign power none the less. an no, there is no comparison between a person who initiates hostile legistlation and those who are intimidated into signing it by intense lobbying from agents of foreign powers. yes, there is a concept known a “political duress” and its very applicable here.
>used the SCHIP budget to provide healthcare for not only
> children, but ALSO pregnant women,
uhm…don’t pregnant women sorta have a little child inside them, by definition? how do you treat the child but not the woman who carries it?
since when do you righttards not consider unborn children to be children? or is that only when you want to use them for cheap props to try and control women’s sexuality?..carelfull you reichtard, your true disinterest in the welfare of children, unborn or not, is beginning to show.
i LOVE to watch the contortions you idiots go through trying to keep in lockstep with your president, a man to whom contradictions mean nothing.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pmupside99
September 30th, 2007 at 7:35 pmAs Clinton would say, “I share your pain.” More power to you for doing what you can for your family and retaining your innate sense of compassion and responsibility - diametrically the opposite of michael, the troll.
I have been squeaking by on my insurance premiums with an extraordinarily high deductible because I am relatively healthy. If I were ailing, even my high deductible and high premium wouldn’t save me from being cancelled.
Kristol, the Sunday morning jerk, and the trolls who post here should spend one day in the life of a parent working two jobs and still can’t afford insurance when the kids get sick. And they can’t afford to take the day off to take them to the doctor anyway. The system has failed them but people like michael just don’t get it - it’s the typical, “I got mine, go get your own.” No compassion, no understanding, no help, only selfishness.
Jesus was a socialist by today’s standards.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI have an idea too, Mike. You blow a goat.
September 30th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWow! Wow! And double Wow!
How whacked out is Bill Kristol? Someone please splatter his nose all over his face on a weekly basis until he shuts up.
Holy shit, what a whacko!
September 30th, 2007 at 8:15 pmI’m sick of taxes, the founding fathers would shit themselves if they could see what we’ve become. Buy the way to those of you who don’t know, YOU CAN NOT BE DENIED MEDICAL CARE IN THE U.S.A. !!!
September 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pmWhat a low-life Republican scumbag Bill Kristol is. He’s right down there with Bush and Cheney.
This kind of disgusting rhetoric plainly shows what kind of people Kristol and Bush are.
The only “pathetic†part of this story is that an editor of a major national publication (The Weekly Standard) would dare say such a thing.
And there’s this gem, “You really wonder how stupid they think the American people areâ€.
Well Bill, they’re stupid enough to have believed anything this administration has ever said, they’re stupid enough to have voted for Bush, TWICE, and besides that Bush (&Co) is the king of using soldiers and children as props to enhance his propaganda photo-ops!
And oh yeah, some ‘Americans’ are stupid enough to actually pay money to read your magazine.
September 30th, 2007 at 10:38 pmThese troll’s pigheadedness in the face of reality reminds me of someone….. who could THAT be?
September 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pmI’m going to have a ball with all of you!
Comment by Michael — September 30, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Guess watching the Repug outing in 08 will be a real fun time for you, too. Enjoy yourself now, cause things re a’changing, even your favorite blogs like Newsmax are in agreement.
But, it will be OK, you will wake up the next day and still be alive, just might lose your job in the insurance industry and with a universal health plan, you will still have coverage.
You don’t even have to thank us, either.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:28 pmI love when people like Michael show up and show what they are made of. I rarely enjoy seeing this level of selfishness, greed, lack of compassion and complete coldness. It’s fitting that he uses Ann Coulter as his website.
Funny how this used to be called antisocial behavior. Now the GOP has taken that over…which suits me fine. Anything they can do to help themselves further implode, well, good for the rest of the world.
Keep talking Mikey. You do more for the GOP than any of us could ever do!
October 1st, 2007 at 8:33 amI have an idea! Why don’t all you bleeding heart liberals from TP, Media Matters. moveon.org, etc band together and form a charitable group to contribute a percentage of your salaries to provide health care for these thousands of kids who are dying on our city streets because they lack health care? Put your money where your mouth is?
Comment by Michael — September 30, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
That’s fine, as long as you Neo-CoNaZionists support and pay for your preemptive wars on your own. Put YOUR money where your mouths are.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:51 amHave any of you talked to a Canadian lately? Universal health care is very expensive and mostly useless. Canadians are flowing into the U.S.A. and paying us out of there pockets anytime they have a real medical problem. Stop being so damn ignorant and investigate what it is you want. Government run health care is not free. Anyone that has a job will be paying a lot of money in taxes for it. That means less money being spent on other things which means a worse economy. That means less jobs and less tax revenue being put into the government to run it for basic services. COMMON SENSE!!!! PLEASE GET SOME!!!
October 1st, 2007 at 10:54 amKristol is an ass.
If the dem’s cant push through health care for poor children…we might as well just hang it up. Seriously.
I support health care for lumber jacks..its a dangerous profession.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:23 amAh, yes.
“Compassionate conservatism” at it’s finest.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:46 amI find it very interesting - and sad- that the same people that are so strongly against abortion rights, are the same people that are very willing to let that very child die once its been born, simply because they refuse to allow that child health care.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmHave any of you talked to a Canadian lately? Universal health care is very expensive and mostly useless. Canadians are flowing into the U.S.A. and paying us out of there pockets anytime they have a real medical problem. Stop being so damn ignorant and investigate what it is you want. Government run health care is not free. Anyone that has a job will be paying a lot of money in taxes for it. That means less money being spent on other things which means a worse economy. That means less jobs and less tax revenue being put into the government to run it for basic services. COMMON SENSE!!!! PLEASE GET SOME!!!
Comment by chriswyse — October 1, 2007 @ 10:54 am
Being a Canadian I felt the need to answer this drivel. It was just hard to find a place to start.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:12 pmHey Hobbes -People the United States are already paying a lot of money out of the paycheck for health care. AND its VERY expensive. It seems to me your “research” has been done mostly on the health insurance companies web sites. COMMON SENSE is only for people who have open minds.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmhey gma1772….
October 1st, 2007 at 12:57 pmDid you have a parachute on when you made the leap cuz the drivel I was referring to was post #148 that’s why I quoted it in my post. I was having a hard time coming up with a reply to his COMMON SENSE. Funny thing about his COMMON SENSE, it doesn’t seem to make sense. Our economy is booming, so his argument that the high taxes will choke off the economy and provide for less jobs and less tax revenue, just doesn’t hold up.
I’m sure someone mentioned it above, too much to trace through to make sure, but has Billy forgotten about the shield of children Bush used when justifying the stem cell bill?
October 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmreply to Chriswyse
October 1st, 2007 at 2:35 pmHow many Canadians do you know. I’m actually from Canada, and I can assure you that you could walk into any ER here and they would remove your head from your butt. A simple trip to a family Doctor may do the trick.I can’t say for sure, I don’t know how far your head goes up there.(You may need a Specialist) I know for a fact you wouldn’t have to pay for the procedure. Maybe you should do a little more research on the Universal Health Care subject. Remember, when your mouth is open, your ears aren’t.