Really? So, removing Saddam was good even if it causes decades of conflict, costs hundreds upon hundreds of billions, the lives and limbs of tens of thousands of our troops, turns our Iranian enemies into a regional superpower and destroys our standing in the world? Saddam was worth all that? I didn’t watch the video but did whoever was interviewing him follow up something like “are you taking some sort of anti-psychotic medication”? It’s irrational.

The one defining attribute of all neocon thinkers is this, they are not responsible for what happens. Not them. There is always some other force to blame for their failures. It’s “liberals”, “the media”, “anti-semites”, or any number of mysteriously powerful forces that hide just beyond their control. Neocons like Bolton, Cheney, Fieth, and Kristol have never taken responsibility for the actions they encouraged or undertook. They’re preparing their next act now. That is, when Hillary is president, watch how quickly they move to rewrite history. Again, the only constant, the only thing we can be absolutely sure of now is that it will not be their fault.

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yes there is. western control of resources. its the only objective that matters to these people. and when you look at iraq from that perspective its quite obvious that iraq has been a success.

the lives of ordinary iraqis are irrelevant. the state of the nation is irrelevant. having terrorists run amok suits their brand of politics and having iraq tear itself apart suits their imperial ambitions.

Then, please enlist right away, Bigfoot-in-the-Mouth.

Not that legal/illegal carries any weight in either the admin or media.

That is the only way his twaddle could ever begin to be convincing to a person with a normal, functioning brain (that is, anyone but a Bush cultist)

Comment by Vendetta — October 1, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
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It acctually discredits the whole stinking lot, but yer waaaaay tooooo stupid to understand that.

So you say that we’re better off now! Please tell me how.

- With thousands of US and Iraqi casualties? And more to come.
- With the ultimate cost of the war estimated at 2 trillion or more?
- With our army and marines worn out, and no strategic reserve left for emergencies?
- With Iran now in the driver’s seat in the region?
- And the US without allies now, unlike immediately after 9/11, when even Iran was on our side
- With Bin Laden still free, and Al Qaida growing in strength and recognized as a leader of world wide terrorism thanks to Bush’s criminal ineptitude, rather than a fringe bunch of right wing Muslim fanatics it was.

I could go on an on and on about you and your immoral warmongering friends, who care not a whit for the suffering they have caused and for the even greater suffering they are proposing, all the while making sure to keep a safe distance from danger themselves.

I have never held anyone in more disgust than you, your leader and your compatriots.

Signed
Old soldier who has had the misfortune to experience war close up.

It’s not only Iran and Iraq that he have been doing this stuff to. We have attempted to overthrow a governments, some of which were democratic, or support a dicatorship from popular revolt, either militarily or through CIA covert actions for over a century. The list is long, Chile, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Laos, Haiti, Cuba, Ecuador, Zaire, Brazil, Indonesia, Greece, Philippines, Cambodia, Bolivia, Chile, Afghansitan, Syria, Egypt, Bolivia, Lebanon, Jordan, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti, Panama. Some of thse countries were done multiple times, and we did not always succeed. And we want to know why the world hates us?

In almost every case (except Afghanistan and Iraq) , the power that we supported or overthrew was less democratic than the previous government or the government that would have taken over. Why? Because we hate democracy in other countries. Democratic countries act in their own interests. Dictators who come to power or stay in power due to our support can be made to act in our interests, which are usually aligned with corporate interests.

One reason those in power today seem to like war so much is that few of those in power have ever fought in a real war. To them it’s like a game.
Ask the millions Iraqis who have been killed, wounded or displaced how much fun our games are. Oh, but it’s worth it because it helps keep Johnny from Burger King safe from being attacked by the Monsters that hide in caves.

“I don’t think you should conflate what happened in the post-Ahmadinejad period. And whatever happened and however bad it’s been, doesn’t change the fundamental analytical point that we’re better off without Ahmadinejad.”

We do indeed have thousands there still – Clinton said those troops would be home by Christmas when he sent them in, BTW.

However, to the best of my recollection, we had no troops in country when the conflict began. There were some useless UN types in there overseeing genocide, but I do not believe we had any US ground troops engage in combat with Serbian troops. We lost not a single man in the exercise, so I am pretty sure we did it all from the air….I could be wrong.

It took 78 days of pounding to make Milosevic cry uncle, and he had been overseeing genocide in the Balkans for several years before American airpower made him change his mind. Also, Serbia was no pushover from an air defense standpoint, they had pretty much top of the line Russian hardware. It is true that Iran is not Serbia….I dunno. I am no fan of bombing Iran, but I am also no fan of Iran establishing a hegemony in the Persian Gulf, especially if they do it by developing nukes.

Dwight D. Eisenhower

It has worked so well in Iraq????????

If Iran was attacked, Mahmoud A. would probably be out without our help. Probably would eventually be kicked out by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for getting Iran too much publicity and rhetorical audacity.

I guess Bolt-Head doesn’t realize Ahmadinejad is number 2, the Allatolah is the head guy making the final calls.

It’s extremely unlikely that Iran would convert to western democracy, more likely it would become a more extreme Islamic state.

But I guess he loves conflict $$$$$$

Why do so many of the posters here keep pretending that Pelosi’s political statement is what is preventing an impeachment? I hate to break it to you, but reality is what’s preventing impeachment, not Pelosi.

Never mind. Everyone *has* gone mad.

jb