McCain faces heat over religious remarks.
By on Oct 1st, 2007 at 6:58 pm
McCain faces heat over religious remarks.
Several Jewish organizations criticized Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for stating that he would prefer a Christian president over someone of a different faith. The American Jewish Council argued McCain should not be imposing religious tests for public office. “To argue that America is a Christian nation, or that persons of a particular faith should by reason of their faith not seek high office, puts the very character of our country at stake,” Jeffrey Sinensky, the group’s general counsel, said Monday in a statement.”
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McCain has jammed his foot in his mouth so many times now, it’s purely a reflex action.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:03 pmDamn… now he pissed off his Zionist masters.
McCain just can’t win.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:03 pmThree questions:
1. Why is McCain and Thompson still in the race?
2. Did McCain and Thompson have their nap?
3. Have both McCain and Thompson take their Geritol lately?
Another day another nail in the McCain campaign coffin.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:10 pmUh, Mr. McCain hate to inform you but the Magical Invisible Faerie in the Sky is a made up story, like the Tooth Faerie. I would prefer is politicians were non-believers, at least I would know that they can use plan logic.
Buck Fush
October 1st, 2007 at 7:11 pmWill Joe Lieberman slap McCain around on the Senate floor (assuming McCain bothers to show up)?
October 1st, 2007 at 7:12 pmThat’s ok. He was for White Christian leader last week
McFlip-Flop now will declare he is for any religious group that will put money in his campaign coffers; can you say Hare Krishna
October 1st, 2007 at 7:15 pmAre we still caring what McCain says — other than comic relief…?
October 1st, 2007 at 7:25 pmJohnny McLame will tell his tomorrow that he “Was for the Jews before he was against them…”
October 1st, 2007 at 7:25 pmMaybe the next time McCain goes to the little boys room that he should bring a copy of Constitution for down time. Embarrassing for a Senator and a person who served in the military to give such retarded comments.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:32 pmMcCain is in a capmaign sinking boat looking to please anybody that can bring support.
He might have been advised that ‘talking religion’ is the way to go.
The desperate McCain can see now that it did not work..so expect soon another scheme from the McCain camp.
He also tried lately to show films of him captured in Viet Nam.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:44 pmMcCain could have helped himself by being straight forward…and honest,rather than trying to please the extreme right by fighting the middle,and the left,and by stop making statemnets about winning wars while most people want out of wars.
Now he is not pleasing anybody…
I’m 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Druid and I’m pissed.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:46 pmHe’s heard the news about how the christian fanatics are thinking of a third party if Repubs go with Rudy. He’s just bending over for christian fanatics to help him beat Rudy, that’s all.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:47 pmHeck fire, alot of evangelicals dont want anything other than a Christian for president.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:47 pmrepeat from an earlier thread on this:
“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.â€
This is from the Treaty of Tripoli:
October 1st, 2007 at 9:24 pmhttp://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html
At the rate these so-called Christians are going, I’d rather take a chance on a secular humanist or an atheist.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:51 pmI wonder if the critics will send the same message to Israel? I doubt it…
October 1st, 2007 at 10:24 pmIs McInsane dissing Mormom Mitt?
October 1st, 2007 at 10:53 pmSo McCain thinks David Koresch would make a better president than Joe Lieberman because Koresch was Protestant and Lieberman is Jewish??? No, he doesn’t think that!! Once again, he is just pandering for votes.
The whole argument is so poor. Are Jack Abramoff, Russ Feingold, Lieberman, Barbara Boxer, and Noam Chomsky the same? Are Jimmy Carter, W, Ted Haggard, MLK Jr., and Eric Robert Rudolph all the same? Of course not!! Everyone just has their own ideas of what one and the other is like. It doesn’t really fit reality.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:59 pmMcCain is trying to take some guitar lessons after he saw M.Huckabee playing one in a bar…
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:49 amCompetition is taking its toll on the old man.
Guess who is sticking up for McCain — none other than the go-to Independent Democrat Joe Lieberman. What an f’in rusty tool. CT–can you recall this clown, please?
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 am#16, glad to see Stephen Jay Gould’s web site lives on.
Then there’s this:
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 am“but no religious test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
U.S. Constitution, Article VI.
“the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”
Have any of these right wing nutjobs ever read the Constitution? You know, the actual blueprint for our system of government? Unbelievable.
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 amI suspect that McCain is just pandering shamelessly to the evangelical Christian branch of the Republican base. He figures that Giuliani isn’t going to get them to line up behind him because of Rudy’s abortion position and his marriages (conveniently forgetting that HE isn’t married to his first wife, either).
What’s wrong with this strategy is that the evangelicals are pretty scattered at this time. Their mouthpieces haven’t lined up behind any specific candidate, and more than a few might even vote Democratic (!) due to the Iraq war. It will take more than a little Bible thumping to sway them over (especially since Thompson is going after the same voters).
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 amWell. You’ve certainly aligned yourself with the philosophy of the winners of the twentieth century – in the area of body count, that is.
Believe the “officially†godless communist regimes of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and subsequent communist leaders have amassed such significant body counts that it’s going to take some time for any belief to set some new records.
Was the behavior of these communist leaders the direct results of their philosophy of godless? I don’t know either, but I’d wager it made the killing a whole lot easier.
I don’t understand why people see Christianity as such a negative influence. I don’t see secular humanist or atheism as improvements, but I appreciate your offering an alternate. Usually on TP everyone knows that some – those who hold to a belief system, for instances, express it less than perfectly, but no one offers any counter suggestions as to a better belief system or how to live a better life. Sort of a criticism without responsibility thing.
Perhaps it’s time to consider how bad it could really be without the influence of Christianity. In other words, Christianity may make it as good as it can possibly get.
Is there any reason to think it would be better if the predominant philosophy were atheism?
Recall the last scene in Apocalypto where the suggestions is that Christianity came and vanquished human sacrifice.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 amAnybody who thinks this country was founded on Christian principles would do well to check these views on the subject by Thomas Jefferson:
“Christianity is the most perverted system that has ever shone on man.â€
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.â€
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.â€
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:10 pm…I’d wager it made the killing a whole lot easier.
…Recall the last scene in Apocalypto where the suggestions is that Christianity came and vanquished human sacrifice.
Comment by bitblt — October 2, 2007 @ 10:41 am
One could write thousands of pages refuting your argument. Doesn’t the belief that God is on your side justify killing? Christians killed many millions in taking North America, Central America, and South America away from the non-Christians because they wanted that part of the world (mainly for its resources). Just because the racist Mel Gibson put something into a movie doesn’t make it the truth.
The Soviet Union did not start either WWI nor WWII. In fact, they pulled out of war in 1917. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, and certainly Japan were religious. These wars killed 70 million. The Axis leaders were constantly saying their religion was superior to their enemies.
Today, the White House, al Qaeda, and Israel all say they are religiously superior.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:51 pmJust because Mel Gibson put something into a movie doesn’t make it the truth.
Comment by Keith — October 2, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
It’s true nonetheless. ;)
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 pmThis is in response to bitblt,
I noticed in your post regarding some of the biggest mass murderer’s of the 20th century you neglected to mention Adolph Hitler, was that because Hitler regarded himself as a christian and it would have spoiled your post? After all 6 million Jews and how many others killed in Military actions is nothing to sneeze at. Remember the words of Hitler regarding his faith.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Who says I am not under the special protection of God?”
- Adolph Hitler
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler
Please don’t try to make us believe that a lack of faith is a requirement for mass killing of others. People who believe themselves to be religious are very capable of ordering the murder of innocent people witness George Bush’s illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. Which by the way Bush has said God told him to to invade Iraq.