Perino: Bush Will Veto SCHIP ‘Quietly’ Without ‘Ceremony’
Perino: Bush Will Veto SCHIP ‘Quietly’ Without ‘Ceremony’
Both the Senate and the House have passed an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) with strong bipartisan majorities. In today’s White House press briefing, a reporter said that Democratic leaders would likely be sending the legislation to the President to sign (or, in this case, veto) this afternoon.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino confirmed that President Bush plans to veto the legislation “tomorrow or so.” When asked whether there will be a ceremony, Perino replied, “I would not anticipate that there would be any ceremony.” She added, “The President will probably veto it quietly.” Watch it:
It’s not surprising that Bush is hoping no one notices his veto, which will deny health coverage to four million children. Over 70 percent of Americans support Congress’s proposed SCHIP increase. Bush has stated that he opposes funding the program with revenue from cigarette taxes, even though such taxes are tied to decreases in smoking. Furthermore, the public overwhelmingly supports raising tobacco taxes, by a margin of 67 percent to 28 percent.
Bush knows his veto is unpopular. After all, he’s certainly not opposed to lavish ceremonies and using children for political photo-ops:
Perhaps Bush couldn’t find any families who would be willing to stand with him on this veto?
Transcript:
QUESTION: Dana, can I follow on SCHIP? Our people are telling us that the Democrats are going to send up SCHIP today at about 2:30. Is the president going to veto that today?
PERINO: No. I think that we’ll probably get to that tomorrow or so.
QUESTION: But definitely not today?
PERINO: Not today.
QUESTION: And what is your plan for that veto? Have you decided whether there’s a ceremony?
PERINO: I would not anticipate that there would be any ceremony.
PERINO: The President will probably veto it quietly. And then, as you know, he has a public event tomorrow. As I mentioned, he’s going to go to Lancaster and have an event where he talks about spending and the budget.
QUESTION: Can we have a picture.
PERINO: Why do you need a picture for radio?
(LAUGHTER)
QUESTION: Accountability, OK? Accountability. We want to make sure it’s vetoed. OK?
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
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asshat in chief
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pmThis man continues to epitomize a madman who cares nothing about the people of this country. He’d love to veto this quietly but 7 states will bring suit against him when he does. Seven million children with inadequate or no health care at all while he thinks nothing of spending $500,000 per minute on this senseless, amoral war. This man epitomizes darkness and evil. I suspect his level of self-loathing has reached an apex on this one.
The people of this country need to take to the streets when Bush puts his own war profiteering BEFORE our children. It’s our taxpayer dollars he’s using to fund this war and NOT fund health care for our children.
It’s time the people exercise their right to have a voice in how their money is being spent!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 pmBush is putting personal “greed” before the health of our children. This man needs to be impeached before he does any more harm to this country of ours.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 pmManiac-In-Chief!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:47 pmcaption:
“You see all these children behind me? Well, me and my good buddies in the pharmaceutical industry want these kids to grow up and get sick,
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:47 pmDo you hear me? SICK!
Heh heh, ’cause a sick person means more money!
Do you hear me? MONEY!”
Does it look like Little Miss Airhead isn’t getting her sleep at night? She looks like the wrath of god. She’ll learn the hard way that a day full of lying to millions of people translates into internal and necrotic blackness. Just as Tony.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:48 pmSnidley Whiplash had nothing on Smirking Chimp.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pmSorry kids, just don’t get sick. We need all of that money to continue our occupation of Iraq. Drag this idiot from the white house in chains.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhy? LOL. Could it be? This man has SHAME?!?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmcommander decider guy strikes again!!! this time at defenseless children.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhy does Chimpy hate America’s children?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhat a pussy! Just like his signing statements amending every bill he signs, he doesn’t have the spine to face the people and let them know the depth of his dispicability.
With 7 states on board to sue him immediately, I suspect there will be others to join them. Maybe before all is said and done, we’ll find ourselves with a third party and states seceeding from Bush’s Fantasy Union.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pmTrip: I almost said exactly that myself. Minds in sync again!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pmI think after the extravaganza put on for Pace’s send-off, we’ve had enough ceremony for awhile.
However, doing away with the fanfare might mean that Bush is finally recognizing his actions are unpopular. The start of a trend?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:53 pmLefty: Wish it were a case of “shame” which mean that he’s capable of insight into his profound psychiatric illness. Not so. What this is is pure spinelessless! Shame is not something a sociopath or psychopath ever experiences.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pmmissmolly: If only wishing were to make it so! His psychiatric illness disallows any sense of contrition or shame. Just ask those on death row.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pmAnd both houses of Congress will override the veto with a laurel and hearty handshakes all around.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:55 pmfunny no comments from trolls in this thread….
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pmHe’ll wait until Friday or until Britney has another meltdown.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pmBushTV: The Daily Show with Dana Purina. On today’s show, Purina tell us how Bush will veto the SCHIP “quietly” with the guidance of his boss, President Cheney. Very shameful.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 pmJust amazing even when he could do something that might make him look human he passes it up. An extra 60 cent tax on a pack of cigarettes to fund this bill, a tax on something that is proved to make people sick and Bush denies it. Incomprehensible !!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 pmOh, wait a minute Ms. Laura is a closet smoker, that cost might cut into their retirement money.
#19… they’ll probably stir up another number 2 Al Qaeda that’s out to kill our kids–but this one will have remote control toys!!! Or CHEESE again! The irony is it’s Bush that’s going to quietly stick the knife in the back of kids.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 pmHe is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had.
Comment by Rory(or Jake) — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
…and yet, the amount of abortions are higher during his “reign”, then during Clintons.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:03 pmWhy is that, ye ever name changing poster?
Are the 30% of Americans who oppose this SCHIP bill the same 30% of Americans who support the Iraq War?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:03 pm?????!!!!!!!!!what about the snowflake babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmBush talking about a budget is akin to a caveman talking about spaceships.
it aint gonna happen, and if it does it will never fly.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmMy family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. As for overriding the veto, good luck, because it did not pass the House with enough votes to override.
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
funny…i dont recall abortion being outlawed under bush or the repugs when the had a MAJORITY.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe chimp claims to be opposed to the measure because of the tax on cigarettes. Would he veto the bill if the tax was to be imposed on milk, cereal, baby food, and disposable diapers? Only if the manufacturers of those items up the ante to match the tobacco companies. This lame duck has but one agenda: steal as much taxpayer money as he can for his Daddy and the rest of the corporate thieves until he is dethroned. We could save a hell of a lot of taxpayer money if we just closed down the Whore House and the Congress until January 20, 2008. We could all pitch in for airlines tickets to bring our troops home if necessary. The Iraqis would probably pay to send them home if bushco quit stealing their oil.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:06 pmI’m looking forward to Dumbya’s veto of SCHIP — it’ll be one of the most positive developments for progressives campaigning for elected office over the next year, as he proves yet again how out of touch with reality he and his jackbooted followers are on issues that matter to the vast majority of this country’s citizens.
I can see it now: “The Republican Party — throwing out the babies with the Blackwater…”
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pm#20 “My family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had”
can I have whatever kind of drugs you are smoking…
how many are DEAD because of this war? how many were put to DEATH under his reign as gov? why are ABORTION Stats higher under this admin than ANY OTHER?
in what world is all of that pro-LIFE? you clown?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pmOh we’ll notice
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pmThis whole stemcell thing is a ruse. If anyone has bothered to look into Alteria [Phillip-Morris Stem Cell solutions] and the lobbyists behind that [Abigail Perlman] and her husband [Blunt] they would know that the rightwing is against stemcell research by the government but NOT by private industry. This, to me, seems to be a case of groups lobbying the government NOT to do stemcell research and to keep the evangelicals duped.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:08 pm“Bush talking about a budget is akin to a caveman talking about spaceships.
it aint gonna happen, and if it does it will never fly.”
Comment by Xisithrus
Don’t tell that to Geico!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmPhillip-Morris gives then#20 “My family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever hadâ€
If that was true, he wouldn’t have started a regime change in Iraq for the security of oil over the security of life.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmDon’t tell that to Geico! Comment by Clyde the Ripper
LOL.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:10 pmHe is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Ummm…Shakey Jake? “Pro-life” can hardly be used to describe this presidunce, considering that he’s responsible for the killing of nearly 4000 American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Not to mention that as Governor of Texas, he oversaw a corrections system that had the highest rate of executions in the country.
Perhaps “anti-choice” would be more accurate, since that’s exactly what he is. After all, who would Jesus kill? (or does that kind of thinking make your head hurt, Shakey?)
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:11 pmMy family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. As for overriding the veto, good luck, because it did not pass the House with enough votes to override.
Comment by Rory
this is jakespeak.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pmComment by hil_1 — October 2, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Wow, hil_1 — obviously we’re on the same wavelength today…I just can’t type as fast as you apparently… ;-D
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
Shouldn’t you be out sewing together some swastika flags?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhy should the American taxpayer foot the bill for health insurance for people with resources? Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Don’t you mean insufficient resources? That would be the accurate way to post this, instead of the inaccurate propaganda you posted.
Well the reason is that most of choose to live in a civil society that cares about the welfare of children. Then there are the Republicans like yourself.
So the flat screen might have to wait….. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Yeah, that’s right, these parents are rolling in money, but don’t want to pay for health insurance for their kids. Sorry, but just because those are your parenting values, don’t project them on real mothers.
Progressives are trying desperately to turn the US into a North American version of neutered Europeans. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
You pass for a neutered european nicely, we call those skinheads, just as an FYI.
Pssst…..we’ve already got a group of them on this continent….they’re called Canadians.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
You mean the people that actually have better healthcare than the US on average at less that 1/2 the cost? Yeah, dam those Canadians and their effective management!
Easy to see why whiny emasculated republicans like you hate them so much - they actually took charge and solved the situation!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmPro-Life before it enters the world but after what the hell !
Short changed No Child Left Behind, short changed Aids help, cut environmental agencies to clean up the air. Texas pollution went higher than ever while Bush was governor. I won’t even get into how much all of us and our children will owe due to this war, where again life is cheap to the a.w.o.l. Bush. I wonder how long the statue of limitation is for a.w.o.l.
When will the Bush supporters realize you aren’t on his team, his team doesn’t even realize you live in the world.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe neocon c*nts are NOT pro-life, they are pro-zygote. Once the blastula develops and can breathe on its own, that’s where they want to leave it. On its own.
Bush is prolife?? WTF? The Chimp-in-chief is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Personally reponsible. He will go to his grave with the blood of innocents stinking him up.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
Shouldn’t you be out sewing together some swastika flags?
Comment by Xisithrus — October 2, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
…or hanging some more nooses from trees in Louisiana?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:16 pm#40 ;-)
us and 70% of the US population Dogfather!
this madness will not go un-noticed!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:17 pmI can see it now: “The Republican Party — throwing out the babies with the Blackwater…†-Comment by The Dogfather
Post of the Day! Should be today’s #1 bumper sticker, as well.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:20 pmAnd what are the rollover Democratic Congress gong to do to expose bush’s veto?
Oh yeah, I remembered. They are going to ROLlOVER and do nothing!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:22 pm#38 MA,
that talking point has been debunked again and again. $40,000 a year in NYC or Boston is not the same as $40,000 a year in Omaha. Placing a non-negotiable cut off on a static number only serves as a superficial excuse. Bottom line is this administration does not want gov funded health care for ANY children.
what cowards they are to hide behind blatant obfuscation
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:22 pmI see the ‘Vile Vagina’ is back.
Jake, is this your wife?
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little…
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:23 pmThere are an average of 115 fatalities [40,000 per year] in traffic accidents a day. 450,000 deaths from heart attacks a year.
1500 people die a day from cancer yet the right wing embraces Phillip-Morris and its lobbyists
Pro-life party my ass.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmDear Dogdad - I was just saying to Mr. Aphrodite the other day, “It sure is easy to equate the execution of murderers with the “choice†to kill an inconvenient fetus.†[sarc off] Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Another Ross Perot fake family moment - how boring. And dishonest.
Considering that innocent people are put to death, this statement just shows how ignorant and heartless you people are in general.
As for fetus, at least you used the correct term. A fetus is a fetus, not a child.
BTW, I’m against the death penalty……but I understand the difference. Technically, one death sentence is earned through criminal actions - the other is not. Tooodles……….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Actually the death sentence is assigned through court actions, there’s no guarantee it was ever earned through any criminal actions on the part of the person charged.
Counselor, you lose yet another case! Did you go to correspondence school, because it’s hard to imagine you are an attorney in any form.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmGOP: Missilles for 10million a peace oook oook! Joy on Earth!
GOP: Healthcare for kids??? WTF are you crazy??
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmBTW, I’m against the death penalty……but I understand the difference. Technically, one death sentence is earned through criminal actions - the other is not. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Well, mighty — YOU may be against the death penalty, but Dumbya certainly isn’t, nor are the majority of your fellow reichwingers. So nobody’s “equating” abortion with capital punishment — just pointing out how the term “pro-life” is an absolute misnomer when applied to the vast majority of anti-choice kool-aid drinkers. Ah, but then expecting someone like you to understand the constant examples of hypocrisy of the right wing that are showing up on a daily basis IS asking a bit much, ain’t it?
Oh, BTW — it’s hard to fathom how ANYONE “earns” a death penalty — I mean, that whole “thou shalt not kill” thing that you pseudoChristians tout, along with the “vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord” thingy too, just seem to be a tad inconvenient to that line of thinking, dontchathink???
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:29 pm#45. And Mr. Aphrodite chuckled and said, “Oh sweety, you look so cute when you are in full hate mode.”
All the time he was thinking ” You skinny f*ck. You won’t ever be faced with having to make that choice unless a dog/human zygote is viable. No one but Rover would have anything to do with your ugly ass. I liked you better when you were hooked on meth.”
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:29 pmHermaphrodite yesterday. Aphrodite today. Congrats, Jake!
Piddles……
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:33 pm# 38 - Sixty cents on a pack of cigarettes. Good grief that is change that many of you leave in your ashtray. And National Healthcare like England, you bet it would be great. So many of you don’t realize you are paying for healthcare in welfare when people get too sick to work.
Well, how about preventable healthcare so MORE people can CONTINUE to work and pay taxes. HELLO ! No one wants a free ride, but something has to be better than $19,600 bill for 3 days in a hospital for a kidney stone. Just helped a man clean up that bill.
The cheapest premium for my husband and I non-smokers is $350 a month with a $5,000. deductible each. That is $9,200 IF WE NEED INSURANCE. And then there is the 80/20 percent we pay. And that is just catastrophic, we pay cash on all dental, optical and minor doctor visits.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:34 pmSo say again, how National Healthcare would be a “terrible” price to pay. Better check your statistics again. Talk to Americans that used England’s healthcare while working there. Get some facts.
George W. Bush’s cowardice knows no end. He cannot muster the courage to publicly veto popular legislation, and thus he weasels his way through an unprecedented number of signing statements. He cannot muster the courage of his convictions on this SCHIP veto, and so he does it without the fanfare that his veto of Iraq timetables enjoyed. If this were truly an act of principle, he should welcome the public scrutiny and the opportunity to explain his action on its merits. Instead, Captain Codpiece, who pledged to restore honor, integrity, and accountability to the White House, hides under a rock–surely his natural habitat.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:37 pmMy family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. As for overriding the veto, good luck, because it did not pass the House with enough votes to override.
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Thus speaks the Human Pretzel!
Where does scrapping healthcare for sick children fit in with the concept of “pro-life”, o pretzel-souled one..?
That murdering asshat is only “pro-life” BEFORE children are born - after that, he couldn’t care less. Until they grow up - and it’s time to send ‘em to Iraq, of course.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:39 pmMy family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. As for overriding the veto, good luck, because it did not pass the House with enough votes to override.
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Then it must really disgust you that abortion rates are higher under Bush, than they were under Clinton?
The inconvenient truth of GOP values - HYPOCRISY!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:44 pmCan’t believe that Bush would pass up a photo op of a bunch of sick children in rags, who can’t afford healthcare. Oh wait yeah I guess he would.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmBush is not pro-anything unless there is a payoff in it for him.
Put his characteristics on paper, and see what it looks like. One doesn’t have to be a genius in mental health to see we have a huge problem with him in the powerchair. Aides are afraid to approach him so use flattery to get across situations, he demands total deference from anyone working for him, he fires anyone disagreeing with him. Does a real leader act like that?
Again, he could have seemed almost human by passing a bill that cost 60 cents a pack of cigarettes. He is giving the middle finger to all of us.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmThe truth is that rightwingers are out there with the stated intention of making the world suck. You don’t want to see sick kids die? Well the rightwing does.
They go on about being pro-life, here is pro-life Bush vetoing a popular piece of legislation designed to save children’s lives. Because it might cost a little bit more in taxes.
To the rightwing children are either a photo-op or a chance to condemn some poor single mother who is either castagated for working (And hence not being there for her child) or for not working (And hence being a burden on the state.)
They are only pro-life so long as it doesn’t cost them anything.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:53 pmI’m a smoker…for a very long time, and a 2-pack a day habit. The increase in cigarette taxes wouldn’t keep me from smoking, because I’m severely addicted. But it just might keep young people from starting, and result in some others quitting. Despite the fact that it will cost me quite alot more, I support this bill 100%. Perhaps that’s the difference between a “liberal” and a “conservative.” We are willing to pay the price for our beliefs.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:55 pmRapper Kanye West had his infamous 7 words to Bush. Here are my 7 words:
CHILDREN’S HEALTHCARE DON’T MATTER TO GEORGE BUSH!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:55 pmWhat, no celebration?
What about the four fighter jets, four ceremonial howitzers, five honor guards, two brass bands, three metal detectors and eight Porta Potties…..
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 pmHe should at least have a porta-pottie….
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:58 pmYeah Rory, can’t have that because…
Every sperm is sacred
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmYou know how would it be if we put a tax on all food or drink and cigarettes that cause harm? Might make me walk past those french fries.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:03 pmMethinks we should veto George Bush LOUDLY and WITH CEREMONY.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:03 pmGo ahead, veto the bill and drive another nail into the GOP coffin.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:04 pmThank you, Bruce Gorton…
(Ayyy, could you get that, Dierdre #3?)
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:05 pmit’s about acquiring and maintaining power - PERIOD.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
We often accuse others of our own actions. It is called projection.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:06 pmRory
Even though most of those auto-abort naturally, and most of the ones used in invitro fertilisation get incinitrated.
Yeah. Right.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmDefine “Children” for me. I would think it is someone who under 18. The SCHIP the Dems proposed, would insure those up to the age of 25. Thats the reason for the Veto and as a hard working american, I do not blame the pres at all.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmBush’s wurkin’ reel hard to put food and medicine on yer fambilly.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:08 pm#68 I guess some people would be against giving milk to school kids too. You just never know that carton of milk MIGHT go to a kid who could afford it. Please take your Scrooge attitude to a lonely prairie where no people are around.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:11 pmSociety is people bonding together to have schools, libraries, roads, fire departments. Do some people benefit that shouldn’t yes, but just maybe someone who needs it will benefit as well.
If you aren’t a smoker it isn’t coming out of your pocket, so what is the problem?
Single-payer health insurance systems have been proven to work in thirty-odd developed nations. Quantifiably better health care outcomes for half the cost when compared to our health insurance system, which surely is the most dysfunctional in the world.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:11 pmI am a long time tax payer and I don’t want my money paying for a war but guess what, my representatives voted for it and my wishes were ignored. So, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm100% of born human die naturally as well; does that mean we get to experiment on them now too?
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Except for those who get bombed, shot, or otherwise blown up.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm#84 Help me out here, What religious organization was forced to pay for birth control ? By the way when religious organizations are pushing politics they need to be paying taxes.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:18 pmRory
That is a bullshit response and you know it. Humans are capable of thought, they have brains capable of processing information, and they have the ability to experience pain.
Embryo’s are about as conscious as your average bacteria and the ones that would be used, would never achieve a higher level of consciousness then bacteria.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:21 pmRory
That is hysterical bullshit and you know it. There are big differences between a coma patient (Who is fully formed and being kept alive in the hopes that they recover) and an embryo.
And we already experiment on the dead.
So tell me, on what do you base your idealogy that we don’t experiment on embryos?
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:29 pmOh, and once it is born, once that embryo is a small child, here is what Rory says about actually taking care of it…
On a thread about Bush being about to veto SCHIP.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmRory, you are a gigantic HYPOCRITE.
Somewhere….Jesus is weeping.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmComment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
I agree with you. It is very sad Planned Parenthood is being protested in Aurora, especially considering Planned Parenthood is helping women. If only the religious right would focus their efforts on helping people who need it - like the poor - instead of constantly protesting legal business operations.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmAmericans and their State representatives all agree that giving Iraq and Afghanistan taxpayers money and of course the Blackwater killer contractors all the taxpayers money is more important then health care for American Children or for dissent medical treatment for injured soldiers. Just keep saying the White House slogan Support our Troops but do nothing for them or any other American issues. The GOP will come forward with another bill of Billions of dollars for Iraq as the GOP say it’s the Democrats fault and Americans will believe. Bush signed a bill to let our National Debt got to 10 Trillion dollars, we are already in debt of 9 Trillion dollars but it’s the Democrats fault for all this spending. Americans don’t even under stand that Dems don’t have enough votes to pass the illegal bills pushed by the GOP. It is funny to read that the Senate passes a GOP bill as they still have enough votes with Lieberman on their side yet Americans act like deer in the head lights. Most of this stuff is comedy for the Middle East who is milking the US for all it’s worth and laughing all the way to the EU Bank.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmRory is confused, she thought we were talking about in-veto fertilization.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmRory -Planned Parenthood, in our state, is a wonderful source of information and healthcare to teens. I know for a fact what PP is giving out to teens, having talked to several representatives and gone with a young relative. PP talks against having sex, especially without precautions, PP counsels the results of disease and unwanted pregnancy.
My young relative decided after her visit she wasn’t ready for sex and and shared the information with her friends. Her mom and I had said the same as PP but coming from an outside opinion turned the tide.
Abstinence is a good choice but abstinence with information is easier.
Thank God for Planned Parenthood
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:42 pmAs long as the blogosphere exists, Chimpy will do very little in secret. :-)
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:43 pm#84 Help me out here, What religious organization was forced to pay for birth control ? By the way when religious organizations are pushing politics they need to be paying taxes.
Comment by texaslady — October 2, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Religious organizations are NOT being forced to pay for birth control, only to cover it on their insurance plans. The recent SCOTUS merely refused to hear the case.
Here’s a link to the story over at my place.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:48 pmGee I wonder if the religious insurance plans pay for viagra, bet they do ! So how about birth control what is the problem.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:50 pm100% of born human die naturally as well; does that mean we get to experiment on them now too?
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
If they sign a medical release, and donate their body to science - yes.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmSo, Dr. Mengele gets to experiment on coma patients only?
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Coma patients? Or brain dead patients? Those aren’t the same thing, dearie. Your preacher lied to you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:53 pmThe Supreme Court, unfortunately, let stand a New York case that FORCES religious organizations to pay for birth control even if it is against their beliiefs.
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
This isn’t true, your preacher lied to you. The forcing was to pay for insurance, the insurance provider pays for all of the health care items including birth control.
You must go to the wrong church, they’re filling your head with lies child!
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:54 pmYou know tax free religion was started long ago when churches didn’t have much cash flow….however, we all know that is definitely not the case anymore. Look on every corner the huge churches being built. Now all that money is not coming from donations, so church has become a business and business needs to pay taxes. Also, Rove tried to force a church in San Francisco that was anti war into loosing their tax status….Now what is good for anti-war is good for pro-war politics. I have heard those sermons preaching how to vote, give me a break if that is not practicing politics.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:55 pmAny real church is a non-profit. The small places on the corners. The ones who actually do the work of their congregation. The Mega-Churches are a for profit bastardization of what a church should be. Huge rotating stages, big screens TV’s, parking lots that require shuttle buses. It is exactly what Jesus would have preached against.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmWhat did the ENTIRE bill say? Unfortunately, politicians like to pollute bills with unrelated baggage to the real intent of the bill.
I don’t know why Bush will veto it, but folks, we can’t continue to spend like we actually have the money. THIS GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL and if we don’t get our fiscal house in order, this country could economically collapse, causing even more problems besides health care.
You say ‘Yeah, what about the money we’ve spent on the war?’ We won’t go into whether it was right or wrong because neither you or I are going to agree. If you read your constitution though, the first a primary duty of the Federal Government is to protect us, NOT TO PROVIDE ALL OF THESE GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND CREATE GIVE AWAY PROGRAMS TO EVERYONE! The Founding Fathers did NOT intend on the government taking our hard earned money away from us to redistribute it to others.
Democrats are already talking about all the taxes they are going to raise if they capture the White House. WHO DO YOU THINK THOSE TAXES WOULD HAVE THE BIGGEST EFFECT ON? Number one, the middle class and poor because the rich who get hit with these tax increases AND WHO OWN THE BUSINESSES we pay for goods and services from will raise their prices. eg. it will hit the little guy, NOT THE RICH! And number two, it will give the government that much more power because they have OUR MONEY AND THE POWER TO CONTROL OUR LIVES BECAUSE THEY DECIDE HOW IT WILL BE USED. Not you or I!
That’s not the government I want!
DEFEAT Liberalism/Progressives!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:11 pmThat’s not the government I want!
DEFEAT Liberalism/Progressives!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
But you do want a government that monitors every phone call, every debit card transaction, and can hold you incommunicado as and enemy combatant with no rights, no lawyer, and no recourse.
Time to get your priorities straight.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:13 pmDEFEAT Liberalism/Progressives!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
You show an understanding of the despicable way the system works, but instead of allying your self with those of us who will try to change and fix the system, you ally yourself safely on the “winning” team.
How very brave of you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:15 pmThat’s not the government I want!
DEFEAT Liberalism/Progressives!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Good thing we have a democracy/republic that still has some hope of functioning, and not the kind of fascist regime you’d hoist upon us!
What’s out of control is the lunatic, religious and libertarian fringe like yourself that prefers chaos, depravity and corruption over a civil society!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:28 pm#106 - Check your figures the most taxes are from those in the 100,000 to 300,000 range and small business owners. Your millionaires have tax shelters and advisors.
Now think if you have to be on welfare to get healthcare for your children and it means NOT having a job, what are you going to do? Make healthcare affordable and more people can work and pay into the system. AND CAN GET OFF YOUR TAX BURDEN.
Don’t you feel the taxpayer should have the same health benefits as our government representatives? Try paying health insurance on a retirees income. After 45 years of paying taxes I feel entitled to the same healthcare as a Senator or Congressman.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmHe is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had. Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Well, that must really surprise those one million dead Iraqis.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:48 pmRory: “My family would gladly stand behind Bush for this photo op. He is the most pro-life President we’ve ever had.”
Pro-life!!! Right. 1 Million Iraqis and 4000 Americans.
Maverik Coast: “If you read your constitution though, the first a primary duty of the Federal Government is to protect us, NOT TO PROVIDE ALL OF THESE GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND CREATE GIVE AWAY PROGRAMS TO EVERYONE! The Founding Fathers did NOT intend on the government taking our hard earned money away from us to redistribute it to others.”
Have YOU read the consitution? It’s right there in the preamble. You mentioned only one of the three goals there. In addition to “protect us,” there’s insuring the domestic tranquility and promoting the general welfare. And, it’s amazing the way you morons blow gaskets over redistribution downward, but stare off into space when they redistribute upward. What on earth would you call taking Social Security funds and giving them to the top 1% if not redistributing working class money to the wealthy?
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:56 pmAnd, Rory, Bush had a commanding approval rating, a friendly court and majorities in both houses of congress, but abortion is still legal. You’ve been had, stupid.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:57 pmMaverkcoast: “Number one, the middle class and poor because the rich who get hit with these tax increases AND WHO OWN THE BUSINESSES we pay for goods and services from will raise their prices. eg. it will hit the little guy, NOT THE RICH!”
Wrong. Prices are a function of what a market will bear. They are not a function of overhead or internal costs. If prices were a function of overhead, the cost of Nike shoes would have gone down when they outsourced manufacturing to China.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmThe Supreme Court, unfortunately, let stand a New York case that FORCES religious organizations to pay for birth control even if it is against their beliiefs.
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Rory’s against birth control and choice. But he’s all for denying healthcare to children once they are born. Following that party line makes you look like the dumbest jerk on the planet, but if it works for you, go ahead.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmWe kept it private from our opponents, and we did it for good reason.â€
Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Sure you know all about the clinic but your people didn’t tell you that last year Aurora, IL had the highest per capita MURDER rate in the country. That didn’t bother you psychos one bit just more opportunity to enforce the death penalty.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmIn addition to “protect us,†there’s insuring the domestic tranquility and promoting the general welfare.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Try using a dictionary.
It says ‘PROMOTE’, not ‘provide’!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:06 pmKrazny: “The Mega-Churches are a for profit bastardization of what a church should be. Huge rotating stages, big screens TV’s, parking lots that require shuttle buses. It is exactly what Jesus would have preached against.”
Exactly.
“And when you pray, be not like the hypocrites, who affect to pray standing in the assemblies, and at the corners of the streets, that men may observe them. Indeed, I say to you, they have received their reward. But you, when you would pray, retire to your closet; and having shut the door, pray to your Father; and your Father, to whom, though he is unseen himself, nothing is secret, will recompense you.â€
-Matthew
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmMaverikcoast: “It says ‘PROMOTE’, not ‘provide’!”
Great. You can read. How is government-sponsored universal healthcare not promoting the general welfare? How is making sure children have healthcare not promoting the general welfare?
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pmTry using a dictionary.
It says ‘PROMOTE’, not ‘provide’!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Taxpayers are providing, the government is promoting. See how that works? The supreme court answered this questions decades ago, you might want to catch up to the 21st century, son.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:23 pm119 - Many would not be on welfare if they could get healthcare any other way ! The choice is welfare or earning a salary, the system does not allow a graduated help plan. So, you either work or get on the dole.
Or are you of the belief, “are there no work houses for the poor?”
If we could provide preventative health care BEFORE the illness brings a person to total disability again, we maintain a tax payer.
Again, I want the same health benefit as my representatives and for the same cost.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:24 pmWrong. Prices are a function of what a market will bear. They are not a function of overhead or internal costs. If prices were a function of overhead, the cost of Nike shoes would have gone down when they outsourced manufacturing to China.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Get a clue. Taxes cross all economic activity. Example: Prices are going to go up soon on corn, grain, wheat, etc. This time it is because of price and demand. IT’S ALSO BECAUSE OF THE HIGH PRICES OF FUEL PARTLY BECAUSE OF HIGH TAXES PLACED ON THAT FUEL! I work for a company that is GOING TO PASS ON THE PRICE INCREASES.
Even trickle down economics is applicable here. Ask any economist! People have to recoup money they lose in one area from somewhere else! Whether it be a person or a business! Who do you think is going to get hit with price increases in the end?
Hint: Anyone who eats, drinks, and breaths and it won’t make any difference to the rich because they can afford it and THEY will still be able to afford it!. That’s economics 101. Higher taxes have an effect on everyone and everything sooner or later.
You just think that wealth distribution is a great thing, huh?
THAT is un-American!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmAH! the compassonate conservative. A pox on all things right, conservative, republican. Dobson could have made one call to the WH and turned this around. He doesn’t give a shit either.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:30 pmYou know no one is asking for free healthcare but how about something we can all afford? $100 + is the cost of a doctor’s visit in our area and we are semi-rural. Medicine is $37.00 for an anti-hestimine, and $27.00 for amoxcillian (which is an old drug) So, a sinus infection is $164.00. Now, we are fortunate to be in great health most of the time and able to afford that cost. But we are still without major health insurance. A double hernia operation was $9700 cash this year.
We have worked since we were 16 so don’t tell me about paying taxes. But we cannot afford the $9200 a year in premiums and deductible. Not for long at least.
What do those too rich for welfare and too poor for premiums do ?
Oh yes, there is always the workhouse, right Scrooge - MaverickCoast
So do you want us to go on welfare or be able to afford to pay for health insurance.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:36 pmHow is government-sponsored universal healthcare not promoting the general welfare? How is making sure children have healthcare not promoting the general welfare?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Um, ‘government sponsored’ health care is code for government-RUN health care. Get it?
If the government controls your health care do you realize how much control they will have over your life? More than I want them to have. They will be able to tell you what you can and can’t eat. They will decide who is too fat and who is too skinny. THEY will decide which procedures are necessary and which are not, they will decide what you can eat, and on and on. Do you want politicians making decisions regarding your health. THAT’S A SCARY THOUGHT!
I agree health care needs to be adressed, but the government administering it is NOT the answer! As much as you criticize the Right for their mistakes, the Left isn’t any better.
Sorry, I’m not gonna swallow that pill
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmSo Dana and Bush both get healthcare paid for by taxes, but poor people don’t deserve this?
How very generous of her, and her boss!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmYou just think that wealth distribution is a great thing, huh?
THAT is un-American! Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
You mean like the redistribution of taxes from millions of Americans into the hands of the Halliburton/Cheney library? Ah, hypocrisy, thy name is Libertarian!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:39 pmUm, ‘government sponsored’ health care is code for government-RUN health care. Get it? Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Medicare has 3% overhead, the average insurance has 30%. Why do you hate saving money so much?
Sorry, I’m not gonna swallow that pill
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
The sickest (especially mentally) are the ones that often refuse help.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmFirst of all I am not to found of Bush to begin with, however there is no sound reason to go after cigarettes (again and again) because the states are picking on them like some magical stepchild.
Taxes on cigarettes already is leading to increases in black market smokes and likely increase crime.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmDo you want politicians making decisions regarding your health. THAT’S A SCARY THOUGHT! Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
You mean as opposed to a profit driven corporation? At least with government run services, you can vote out the politicians! With a corporation you’re completely screwed if they decide to!
I agree health care needs to be adressed, but the government administering it is NOT the answer! As much as you criticize the Right for their mistakes, the Left isn’t any better.
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
How do you know it isn’t the answer? Countries that have it have better health care for less money than the US does on average. Why do you hate affordable quality healthcare?
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmMaverikcoast: “You just think that wealth distribution is a great thing, huh?
THAT is un-American!”
Again, the price of any good is a function of the market, not overhead. If the price was a function of overhead, then the price of Nike shoes would have dropped when they began spending less on manufacturing by moving it to China.
And, again, what we’ve had for the last 6 years is a redistribution of wealth from the working classes to the wealthy. We doubled the Social Security tax in 1983 to pay for boomers’ retirements. Bush took that money and gave it to the top 2% in the form of tax cuts. Remember those paltry tax rebates? They were huge checks for the wealthy. That money came out of the Social Security fund, so it was money provided by working class people. That’s a redistribution of working class money to the wealthy, but you don’t give a damn about that because you are a moron.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmAs much as you criticize the Right for their mistakes, the Left isn’t any better. Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
BAHAHAHA, sorry, but I just had to laugh at this! Yes, the left is MUCH better, but don’t let reality bias your bias!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmMaverik: “Do you want politicians making decisions regarding your health. THAT’S A SCARY THOUGHT!”
Do you want profit-driven corporations making decisions regarding your health? I find that a scarier thought.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:44 pmStrange Social Security is government run and the checks come on time, no one tells us how to spend the money. People forget that some programs with COMPETENT people running it do work. FEMA was good until Bush’s friends took over. Iraq was on a good track until Bush wiped out the experienced ones and put in incompetents.
MaverickCoast talk to someone who has used Englands healthcare don’t believe those people are having their lives interfered with or dictated to. And you think our lives are not being run by a few right now ? Are you serious ?
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:45 pm129 - Excuse me but part of the healthcare problem is people with cigarett associated diseases. So, by taxing the problem to offer healthcare makes sense to me. Cigarettes kill very slowly, costing a great deal of money to prolong life….yes they need to be taxed and taxed.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmIn England and France, they get much better results with their healthcare system at 40% of the cost we pay per capita. Everyone has much more choice than we have. You can go to any doctor or hospital you want. Waiting time to see a doctor is much less than it is here. 98% of the French see a doctor the very first day.
I’m not sure how any sane person can even begin to defend our system. I guess the operative word here is “sane.”
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:52 pmWhat a hateful excuse for a human being. I want lights and cameras.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:07 pmGood gravy, does anyone read past the first paragraph of anything any more?
Yes, SCHIP is a good program and it should be expanded. Personally, I think it should be expanded to cover everyone until they’re 65 and qualified for Medicare.
But paying for it by sticking it to smokers, at the rate of sixty-one cents per pack, is just dishonest. Remember, this is the congress that has rubber-stamped the WH requests for war funding time and again and taken that out of general revenue.
Taxing a sitting duck minority is cowardice. Regardless of the reason. I’ve had it with the puritans who want to social engineer everyone into compliance with their little bourgeois paradigm of “safe, sober, clean living”.
If only we could fund SCHIP by taxing priggishness, we could buy every kid in America health insurance and a college ed.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:46 amSnow left because he needed to be retuned. This replacment, Dana Parino, (sounds like an automaton name) as one can notice, is a robot from the DisneyWorld automoton center. Would that the the being in the White House (Bush) could break down and along with the Cheney automaton –we could send them to a center where they are restructured as “tree hugging” environmentalists trying to stop global warming, who also just love “safety nets” for the poor., including the mentally ill, children and the poor elderly, not to mention residents in Katrina, victims of Iraq war (ending wars) etc., one can dream, I guess.
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amwant free health care for kids? Enact the national initiative and you’ll have the ability to spend your taxes in any fashion you want
http://www.ni4d.us
you get 10 people to sign up. then get those 10 people to find 10 people and youv personally got a hundred votes. just like that.
60,000,000 is no small feat but it’s not impossible. get it done. change this country for ever! free yourselves from the dictatorship we all live under!
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:54 amMaverickCoast
You have demonstrated no knowledge of how the market works. You think it is a function of cost, which is basically a sign that you have never run a business, never looked at a business, and never actually studied business.
Indeed, you seem to be keen on ignoring the costs of providing health insurance to your workers, while hyping up the far more reasonable costs associated with simply paying higher taxes to get “free” healthcare.
The frightening model you would probably support would be something along the lines of paying 3$ for services which would only cost you an extra $1 in taxes simply on the principle of you not wanting to pay higher taxes.
Whether the government or an insurance company gets the money is irrelevant, the money is still getting paid over to somebody and if government can provide the same services cheaper, then go the government route.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:48 amYou just think that wealth distribution is a great thing, huh?
THAT is un-American!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
No, that’s the American dream. Or what do you think it means if someone can rise from being dirt poor in America, to being one of the world’s richest people?
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:55 amtexaslady
Then why not tax other things at the 1000% level (10 times the cost)?
They could start with motor vehicles that is far worse in health & accident related costs. Make it so a $20,000 vehicle would be end up costing $200,000.
It is so easy for the antis to say tax cigarettes to the hilt but soon it will be their turn to pay the piper.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 amUpinsmoke
It has to do with the following:
Cost versus benefit
Smoking provides no tangible benefit to the economy, it doesn’t increase productivity, it doesn’t transport or produce goods and it does cause long term damage to the individuals who engage in it - without even granting them much of a high.
Cars on the other hand, make modern life possible. Cars allow goods to travel further, and allow more people to live further from much needed resources, thus allowing larger settlements.
So pardon me why I ignore your prophesy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:03 amNote to Upinsmoke –
Here’s the thing, friend. Smoking’s a pleasure…like drinking or gambling or wearing Manolos. And if nobody’s increasing the tax on those other bits of hedonism, why are smokers being targeted so unfairly? Because you can?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe folks who like clean air (and yes, I’m among them, I’m a Democrat after all) think that once they eradicate smokers, their job will be done. So much easier to ruin the economies of a few southern states than it is to take on, say, the entire auto industry.
Quit taxing people’s pleasures. The next one the prigs focus on might be the thing that you like to do.
Look at that woman, she’s crying. Her president is vetoing an increase of funds to protect children’s health care while asking for more money to wage war. Is this what Barbara taught him?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pm>Who do you think is going to get hit with price increases in the end?
Ah, the classic argument: dont tax the rich, they are holding the poor hostage. Wrong. Some smart (or decent) rich guy will keep selling his product at the same price and not raise it like the others, and all the poor people will buy from him. He makes a little less per customer, but has alot more customers. If the stingy rich people want to compete with him, they’ll have to lower their prices again… thats free market genius…
Yes, I think we can find a few millionaires out there willing to shave a percent or two off whatever they made last year….
>Quit taxing people’s pleasures.
Man I WISH they’d tax my pleasure. the CHRONIC BAYBEEEEE….. that would make it legal* You can whine about your prescious expensive cigarettes all you want, the fact is you’ll get no sympathy from those of us who have to worry about paying high prices AND going to jail just for indulging in a pleasure which no rational person could argue was even as harmful as alcohol.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:55 amChocolate Jesus, I feel your pain. I truly do believe that all substances should be legal and none should be taxed. What people do for fun is none of the politicians’ freakin’ business.
You could solve the deficit problem if you could only tax self-rightousness in this country.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am