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Clark: Yank Limbaugh off Armed Forces radio.

Gen. Wesley Clark: “It’s time to put real pressure on Rush Limbaugh. His show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, and this time we are going to go straight to the lifeblood of Rush’s show — Congress. Congress has the power to remove Rush Limbaugh from Armed Forces Radio, and it won’t be as easy for elected officials to ignore our call.” Take action here.




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83 Responses to “Clark: Yank Limbaugh off Armed Forces radio.”

  1. kdoug Says:

    Deflate the Gas Bag.


  2. bybybill Says:

    If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.


  3. Ryan Neat Says:

    Now that's an appropriate response! The wingnuts cried to the NYT about carrying the moveon ad, this is an equivalent response and it's exactly what Congress should have done from the start!


  4. Ryan Neat Says:

    If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.
    Comment by bybybill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    That explains why your comment was all wet...


  5. Innocent Bystander Says:

    Careful Wes, Rush and Melanie and the trolls here will call you a phony.
    They might even accuse you of being a traitor. That's how they support the troops.


  6. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Silly Bush cultist: "If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella."

    I guess this is what passes for a cogent argument in the cult of Bush.


  7. Innocent Bystander Says:

    Rush just can't stop digging. Read this post at dKos on what Rush has to say about Brian McGough's VoteVet's ad today.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/2/143649/962

    "This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said.

    Keep digging that hole you lying narcotics junkie....


  8. km4 Says:

    Wes Clark is destined to play a major role in cleaning up the Bushco Christian wackos in the US military and scumbag mercenaries like Blackwater in next administration.


  9. Innocent Bystander Says:

    Wes Clark is destined to play a major role in cleaning up the Bushco Christian wackos in the US military and scumbag mercenaries like Blackwater in next administration.

    Comment by km4 — October 2, 2007 @ 6:34 pm

    Regretfully, he can't be named SecDef. But I'd certainly put aside precedent when the next Democratic President is in office in 2009....Bush certainly has.


  10. APEC not OPEC Says:

    If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.
    Comment by bybybill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    That explains why your comment was all wet…

    Comment by Ryan Neat — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    OMG..ROTFLMAO.


  11. bilbobaggins Says:

    Every day that goes by I like Wes Clark more and more. I think he would make a terrific Secretary of Defense. Hopefully the next Democratic President will offer the job to him.


  12. bilbobaggins Says:

    Regretfully, he can’t be named SecDef. But I’d certainly put aside precedent when the next Democratic President is in office in 2009….Bush certainly has.
    Comment by Innocent Bystander

    I'm curious. Why can't he be named Secretary of Defense?


  13. Wayne Says:

    If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.
    Comment by bybybill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    That explains why your comment was all wet…
    Comment by Ryan Neat — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    LMAO


  14. Lora Says:

    If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.
    Comment by bybybill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    No one would buy it from you.


  15. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    If this keeps up, it won't be long before it will be unacceptable for the media, or perhaps anyone, to criticize Bush (or any President) because he/she is the "Commander in Chief." The issue of free speech cuts both ways, people. It's one thing for individuals or groups to criticize what some other individual or group says. It's quite another when government becomes involved. It amazes me that Progressives even support this type of censorship. Please think!!


  16. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Will conservatives still believe it's unacceptable to criticize the president when it's Hillary, Barak or Edwards? Judging by their behavior in the 90's, I'm guessing no.


  17. Joefriday Says:

    That explains why your comment was all wet…

    Comment by Ryan Neat — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    It is good to see you back on TP.


  18. Innocent Bystander Says:

    I’m curious. Why can’t he be named Secretary of Defense?

    Comment by bilbobaggins — October 2, 2007 @ 6:38 pm

    My understanding is that he needs to be 10 years out of service to have eligibility. Kind of stupid, given the likes of recent SecDef's that we've suffered under. No one is better equipped to reform the mess that's festering in the White House than Wes Clarke...I'd support legislation to waive this requirement. The next President is going to need some serious support to fix all of the structural problems that the Republican Crime Syndicate has created for our country.


  19. bilbobaggins Says:

    It amazes me that Progressives even support this type of censorship. Please think!!
    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush

    Air America Radio was not allowed on Armed Forces Radio but Rush Limbaugh was. You don't see that as censorship?

    The people who use our airwaves have a responsibility to uphold. The FCC has rules you have to follow. I find what Rush said as bad if not worse than it would be to use a swear word on air. And swearing is not permitted. So why should disparaging our soldiers be permitted?


  20. leftcoast Says:

    Rush is just really Entertainment Tonight for those who would not change their views no matter what venue he is on. But, when I listened to AFR during Vietnam there was no radio personalities who were pundits. Rush is a new element placed by the Bush Admin to ratchet up the hate and misunderstanding. He does a disservice by his latest comments to the men and women who bravely and deny themselves the freedom we enjoy to speak from our comfortable armchairs at home.


  21. hterrya Says:

    General Clark's idea is a good one.

    Limbaugh is a political shill, not a person who provides information. Anything that does not agree with his political ideology will not get a fair hearing with him. To put him on Armed Services Radio is a disservice to the Armed Services.


  22. Innocent Bystander Says:

    Comment by Ryan Neat — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    It is good to see you back on TP.

    Comment by Joefriday — October 2, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

    Second that....why the long hiatus?

    I'm betting Mighty Aphrodite is already having her pantaloons getting bunched in anticipation of Mr. Neat's comments on her posts, lol.


  23. texaslady Says:

    Oh good grief, our military needs a good laugh and Rush supplies that. They know an idiot when they hear it. Give our military some credit. The best thing that has happened is people are talking out loud about this mess Bush/Cheney created, wasn't that way a few years ago. Returning soldiers talked in whispers at the chaos in Iraq.

    It is wonderful that more and more are waking up to this administration's sell out of American people. I hope it won't be too late.


  24. leftcoast Says:

    I would rather see Wes Clark in a key part of the administration. Defense is limiting.


  25. Innocent Bystander Says:

    This is how out of touch Clark is…..taking Limbaugh off of AFR would be grounds for mutiny in the ranks. Any regular listener in the Armed Forces knows exactly what Rush said and to a greater extent what he meant. Clark knows this also and his statement was just a therapeutic release of hate and envy.

    Comment by Billy Hill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

    Yeah, right. 70% of the troops question the Iraq mission....and Rush has smeared them as phonies. I think he's contributing to a divisive military force. I can only imagine how the politics of this illegal and immoral war/occupation are starting to impact on unit cohesion.


  26. Xisithrus Says:

    taking Limbaugh off of AFR would be grounds for mutiny in the ranks -Billy Hill

    Nobody is delusional enough to mutiny over a drug addicted mouthpiece that spends the majority of his time worrying about his golf game.


  27. leftcoast Says:

    Billy Hill- I am neither a dem, liberal. My leftcoast only describes my beat. No soldier listens to radio and believes everything he hears. He believes and trusts his leaders. Rush is no Leader. No worries.


  28. hterrya Says:

    There have been some very thoughtful posts on this thread, but I seem to be the only one recommending them.

    I wish other progressives would use the "Recommend" option to encourage good posts, even if you don't completely agree with the post. I consider it a troll antidote.


  29. bilbobaggins Says:

    Don’t you find it strange that the only people who have a problem with what Limbaugh said are Progressive Democrats, liberals and blue blogs? I have yet to hear/see 1 soldier who was pro Limbaugh change his/her mind because of what he said. If the MSM could find 1 believe me they would be all over the news 24/7. Normal people are just laughing at you poor pathetic progressives.
    Comment by Billy Hill

    So Right Wing Loon Billy Hill, how are we going to hear/see a soldier say anything. They are not allowed to talk to the press. And when they do, they end up dead. And feel free to laugh at us poor pathetic progressives.

    Why don't you go here and read the article, I dare you:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/01/AR2007100101235_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2007100101284

    You will see that there are way more of us (the poor pathetic progressives) than there are of you (the Right Wing Loon).


  30. bilbobaggins Says:

    I would rather see Wes Clark in a key part of the administration. Defense is limiting.
    Comment by leftcoast

    Ok, how about Secretary of State. That's another job he would be great at.


  31. bilbobaggins Says:

    Looks like VoteVets is using one of our soldiers the way the UAW uses their members to picket. Don’t tell them what is really going on, just give them marching orders.
    Comment by Tracy1

    What's the matter Right Wing Loon Tracy. Do you think that our vets should not be allowed to express their personal views. How supportive of the troops you are. But, then, you probably think this vet is a "phony troop" because he doesn't agree with Limbaugh, you and the remainder of your ilk.


  32. bilbobaggins Says:

    Rush rules!!
    The Armed Forces know that libs are totally wacked out of it!!
    Nice try!
    Comment by John Kerry

    Dream on Right Wing Loon John. Your nightmare will begin in January, 2009. Keep up your fantasies until then. Read the link in #31 to see how you Lemming Republics are fairing in the court of public opinion.


  33. leftcoast Says:

    John Kerry: do they really say this? Site your stats for us.


  34. Chris L Says:

    Trivia question: There is one OIF veteran serving in congress. What political party is he?


  35. km4 Says:

    Wes Clark on Military Industrial Complex

    Radio Interview with Laura Knoy:
    http://www.nhpr.org/node/5339

    I think General Eisenhower was exactly right. I think we should be concerned about the military industrial complex. I think if you look at where the country is today, you've consolidated all these defense firms into a few large firms, like Halliburton, with contacts and contracts at the highest level of government. You've got most of the retired Generals, are one way or another, associated with the defense firms. That's the reason that you'll find very few of them speaking out in any public way. I'm not. When I got out I determined I wasn't going to sell arms, I was going to do as little as possible with the Defense Department, because I just figured it was time to make a new start.

    I think that the military industrial complex does wield a lot of influence. I'd like to see us create a different complex, and I'm going to be talking about foreign policy in a major speech tomorrow, but we need to create an agency that is not about waging war, but about creating the conditions for Peace around the world. We need some people who will be advocates for Peace, advocates for economic development not just advocates for better weapons systems.

    So we need to create countervailing power to the military industrial complex.


  36. leftcoast Says:

    John Kerry. I know John Kerry. You're no John Kerry.


  37. leftcoast Says:

    km4 I gave this quote last night.
    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.- President Eisenhower


  38. Innocent Bystander Says:

    I would rather see Wes Clark in a key part of the administration. Defense is limiting.

    Comment by leftcoast — October 2, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

    Well, I can't think of anyone who'd have more credibility and capability to bring the Pentagon and MIC back under control. Hopefully, his first order of business would be to rid our military of the unaccountable outsourcing of the critical support functions to Republican contributors.


  39. Chris L Says:

    The Armed Forces know that libs are totally wacked out of it!!

    Nice try!

    Comment by John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
    #

    Trivia question: There is one OIF veteran serving in congress. What political party is he?


  40. Wayne Says:

    This is how out of touch Clark is…..taking Limbaugh off of AFR would be grounds for mutiny in the ranks.
    Comment by Billy Hill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

    Amazing how out of touch with reality your post is.

    The troops are not going to mutiny with this blowhard taken off the air.

    Hilarious

    We can tell you know nothing about the military at all.


  41. leftcoast Says:

    Comment by Innocent Bystander — October 2, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
    Credibility is not the question. Thats for sure. You are right. I would like to see him there. It would be a mistake not to have him play a role in the new administration.


  42. gummitch Says:

    Settle down dilbo, I dont want to be the cause of your next blowen gasket. Breath…………..slowly………..in and out………..relax…..everything is going to be fine. GWB is incharge…..you are safe tonight.

    Comment by Billy Hill — October 2, 2007 @ 7:08 pm

    So is that what you've got for a bedtime prayer? I'm glad to hear it works for you, but thinking people are not so soothed by "GWB is in charge" . . . kind of thing that can give people nightmares.


  43. Innocent Bystander Says:

    Looks like VoteVets is using one of our soldiers the way the UAW uses their members to picket. Don’t tell them what is really going on, just give them marching orders.

    Comment by Tracy1 — October 2, 2007 @ 6:59 pm

    Gee Tracy, I'll let the Brian McGough's speak for themselves. They've earned that right. Anonymous posters who support war profiteers, war mongering cowards, and perverts (otherwise collectively known as the Republican Party)?...not so much.


  44. Ryan Neat Says:

    Settle down dilbo, I dont want to be the cause of your next blowen gasket. Breath…………..slowly………..in and out………..relax…..everything is going to be fine. GWB is incharge…..you are safe tonight.
    Comment by Billy Hill — October 2, 2007 @ 7:08 pm

    Ah, the whiny GOP that are so gasket blown they have to come bluster on liberal blogs, are once again projecting their insecurity, and blown gaskets on others. Typical. Boring. Oh so lunatic fringe republican!


  45. Ryan Neat Says:

    Absolutely. I never said he shouldn’t. I just wish he would do a little research and find out that he was being lied to by VoteVets about what Rush said.
    Comment by Tracy1 — October 2, 2007 @ 7:18 pm

    The transcripts are there. Rush not only said it, he smeared Murtha and a host of other people with the same slur.

    Before you lecture others, you might go look at the entire transcript, not the selectively edited one on Rush's website. Otherwise you look like a duped dope...


  46. Marie Says:

    If Lintball were employed in a regular company, he would have been fired for his illegal drug abuse. It is only because his company is owned by "connected" people and he appeals to the base of the Bush administration policies that he is still on the air on so many stations.
    He is a spokesman for the lemmings who think whatever our leaders do is right - no matter if they're wrong - they're our leaders, so they're right.


  47. Marie Says:

    If Rush's comments incite fratricide, don't look for him to be accountable.
    Did we ever get the full story on Pat Tillman? I don't think so. He was opposed to the war in Iraq. He was killed by friendly fire - accidentally or on purpose? Will we ever know? Evidence was covered up or burned.


  48. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    It amazes me that Progressives even support this type of censorship. Please think!!
    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush

    Air America Radio was not allowed on Armed Forces Radio but Rush Limbaugh was. You don’t see that as censorship?

    Comment by bilbobaggins — October 2, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

    Yes, I do. But two wrongs don't make a right. Congress should do what is necessary to ensure that Air America Radio is ALSO allowed on Armed Forces Radio.


  49. Ryan Neat Says:

    Tracy, let me help you with the facts, since you seem factually challenged like most of your fellow hate spewers.

    Fact: Limbaugh did not refer to MacBeth during his September 26 broadcast until 1 minute and 50 seconds after making his "phony soldiers" comment. Indeed, at no point during his September 26 radio show did Limbaugh refer to any soldiers he considered to be fake prior to making his "phony soldiers" comment.

    Fact: Moreover, as the blog Crooks and Liars and Media Matters noted, in the September 28 broadcast, Limbaugh expanded the group of "phony soldiers" to include Vietnam veteran Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) and Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who is currently serving in Iraq. In asserting that he was originally "talking about a genuine phony soldier," Limbaugh went on to state: "And by the way, Jesse MacBeth's not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in The New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines at Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?"

    Fact: As the transcript makes clear, Limbaugh actually referred to "phony soldiers," plural. Responding to a caller's statement that supporters of withdrawal "like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media," Limbaugh responded, "The phony soldiers" [emphasis added].

    Fact: In fact, the clip he aired had been edited. Excised from the clip was a full 1 minute and 35 seconds of the 1 minute and 50 second discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment and his reference to MacBeth, the full audio of which can be heard here:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280010

    Fact: The transcript (subscription required) of the first segment of the first hour of his September 28 broadcast posted on Limbaugh's website, which Limbaugh described as being the "anatomy of a smear," is also edited and does not make clear how much time elapsed between Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" remark and his discussion of MacBeth -- or even that any time did elapse: Limbaugh's transcript does not provide any notation or ellipsis to indicate that there is, in fact, a break in the transcript of the September 26 clip he used.

    The most important fact? Rush and his Ditto Heads are liars, and hypocrites. They refuse to live by the values they demand everyone else to live by.

    Keep tapping your toes Tracy, we all know what battalion you belong to!


  50. Innocent Bystander Says:

    "If Lintball were employed in a regular company, he would have been fired for his illegal drug abuse." Well, yeah. Rush used to rail about dope addicts and how they ought to get thrown in jail and have the keys thrown away. But when El Drugbo gets nailed using mules to score his Oxy....hey, different story.

    Now, a guy who got out of Viet Nam for a self-inflicted cyst problem (poor wipeage), has the audacity to call people who disagree with the political policy 'phonies'? Well, where's the outrage from the "support the troops" crowd? Oh yeah, they need him to be a mouthpiece for their minority position.

    Does anyone really think someone paid $24MM/year is paid to tell the truth? A truthteller is cheap, a well crafted serial liar is priceless.


  51. Candyce Says:

    f Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.
    Comment by bybybill — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    That explains why your comment was all wet…

    Comment by Ryan Neat — October 2, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

    omg, hahaha!


  52. Candyce Says:

    CONSERVATIVES WIN IN ‘08!!

    Comment by John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    In which universe?


  53. Ryan Neat Says:

    There’s NO WAY (and you libs know it!) that Rush is anti military. Comment by Republican wimps are afraid of John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Sure he is. He already said that if any military personnel did something he didn't like, that they were phony military and he was against them. That's anti-military by HIS definition - ironically!

    Your kind has always blasted him because he IS pro military unlike liberal coward traitors!Comment by Republican wimps are afraid of John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Actually he's PRO GOP, he could give a rats *ss about the military, just like you. That's why he keeps supporting them not getting proper equipment, proper leaves, proper healthcare, proper wages. You and Rush don't like the military, you like your delusional belief of the idea of Hitler's military, and believe it somehow is ours. You aren't patriots, you're nationalist zealots!

    Give it up libs! You can’t win!!
    CONSERVATIVES WIN IN ‘08!!
    Comment by Republican wimps are afraid of John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Yeah, just like your big plans in 2006! hehehe, how much koolaid have you had today, son?


  54. bilbobaggins Says:

    ABC NEWS had done a piece a day or so before on “phony soldiers” and that’s what the caller on Rush’s show (and Rush) were basically refering to.
    Comment by John Kerry

    Right Wing Loon John is a liar. The so-called "phony soldier" Limbaugh said he was referring to was not mentioned on his broadcast until one minute and 30 seconds after he issued his phony soldier comment (time enough to realize he screwed up and tried to do something to mitigate his error). Besides he said "phony soldiers", not "phony soldier".

    Go away Right Wing Loon John, you are not going to convince anyone here with your lies and obfuscations. That only works on the Right Wing Loons of the world.


  55. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Silly Conservative dreamer: "Give it up libs! You can’t win!!
    CONSERVATIVES WIN IN ‘08!!"

    58% of voters say they will vote for the Dem no matter who the nominee is. 26% say that about repubs.

    Over 60% of Americans say they want Dems to controll congress. 62% plan on voting for the Dem in their congressional election.

    22 Republican seats are up for grabs in the Senate as opposed to only 9 Democratic seats.

    Republican strategists are worried that 2008 will be a bloodbath for conservatives. Face it. Your absurd cult leader has ruined the party, ruined his own family's dynasty and ended the modern republican-libertarian movement.


  56. bilbobaggins Says:

    Give it up libs! You can’t win!!
    CONSERVATIVES WIN IN ‘08!!
    Comment by Republican wimps are afraid of John Kerry — October 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Oh really. Visit the link in #31 and then come back here and say the same thing. You are delusional but what they hey, you have the right to be delusional if you want and if it makes you feel better.


  57. Bodhittsatva Says:

    I think Rush should be forced to broadcast FROM Iraq to be heard on AFR.


  58. bilbobaggins Says:

    Republican strategists are worried that 2008 will be a bloodbath for conservatives. Face it. Your absurd cult leader has ruined the party, ruined his own family’s dynasty and ended the modern republican-libertarian movement.
    Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

    As Sy Hersch said on Olberman last night, "Bush doesn't give a rats-ass about the Republicans and their chances in the election". I do believe he is right.


  59. Bodhittsatva Says:

    Republican strategists are worried that 2008 will be a bloodbath for conservatives. Face it. Your absurd cult leader has ruined the party, ruined his own family’s dynasty and ended the modern republican-libertarian movement.

    Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

    YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
    HIP HIP HOORAY, BUSH ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING USEFUL.


  60. bilbobaggins Says:

    Tracy, let me help you with the facts, since you seem factually challenged like most of your fellow hate spewers.

    Right Wing Loon Tracy says "Facts, I don't need no stinkin facts, I know what I know and if I say it it must be right". Just another delusional Right Wing Loon.


  61. kasinca Says:

    Who listens to the lard assed, drug addled, gas bag, anyway? The same morons who watch FAUXNOIZ. Not on my list of favorites and I do not ever waste time on ignorance and hate.


  62. gummitch Says:

    One way or the other, Limbaugh has brought this all on himself. Among the wingnuts and dittoheads, "phony soldiers" may well refer to people like McBeth, but it's only because Limbaugh and his ilk have been working like mad to plant that seed in their tiny brains: that all the anti-war soldiers are phonies like McBeth. The dittoheads are incapable of distinguishing Rushspeak from reality, and to them it's all one word: antiwarsoldiersphonysoldiersmcbeth. Rush and the Right have always operated with code words, and like the Big Lie, they repeat them over and over and over, in as simple terms as possible, while assuring their audience that "you are really smart, smarter than libs, because you listen to me!"

    Once they've established this groundwork, they can dismiss all anti-war comments from military personnel, or retired military, with the same quick code words. In this case, "phony soldiers." And the wingnuts nod their dittoheads in agreement: "antiwarsoldiersphonysoldiersmcbeth" .

    That's why Rush's minions are always saying the same thing: "You need to listen to Rush all the time, then you'd understand what he meant." And they're correct; if you listened to Rush all the time you'd have learned all the codewords and could easily interpret what he "really meant". In this case, he "really meant" that anyone in the armed forces, or who has retired from the armed forces who doesn't utterly and completely support all military adventures carried out by the "conservatives" is a antiwarsoldiersphonysoldiersmcbeth.


  63. gummitch Says:

    Not at all, gummitch. Rush already stated that any active duty soldier who earned the Purple Heart is NOT a “phony soldier.” What if he WAS simply referring to actual “phony soldiers?”

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    You mean like Jack Murtha? John Kerry? Those purple hearts? But, but, he definitely called Jack Murtha a phony soldier. Which is it, Rory?


  64. Veritas Says:

    Wesley Clark is one of the last great patriots we have left. Kudos to Clark for calling 'em as he sees 'em.

    Wesley Clark for Veep! He'd make one hellova one I think.


  65. Veritas Says:

    The repukes should be ashamed of the swiftboating they and Rush did on Murtha, Cleland, and Kerry. For this they should be publicly criticized and Rush banned for the military air waves. He's one sick, cotton brained bigot.


  66. Veritas Says:

    Rory: And the "phony soldiers" would be AWOL Bush??


  67. Veritas Says:

    Or a "faux soldier" like 5 Deferrment Cheney?


  68. Veritas Says:

    Regardless, their military careers and records were attacked, so what's your argument sistah troll?


  69. gummitch Says:

    Why don’t we let the armed forces serving IN Iraq vote on whether to keep Rush on the AFN?

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 8:47 pm

    Because they didn't get to vote on whether they could listen to Air America?


  70. gummitch Says:

    Neither Jack Murtha nor John Kerry are active-duty (and they are politicians).

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm

    So, it's OK to dismiss anyone as "phony soldier" if they're no longing in active service? But if they're no longer in active service, they're not soldiers at all (much less Marines). So why would Rush call them "phony soldiers"?


  71. gummitch Says:

    Jack Murtha is a disgrace to the word MARINE.

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

    How many years of active duty have you got under your belt? What qualifies you to criticize someone who actually fought in combat for this country? You've got a lot of gall, you and Rush, Cheney, Bush and all the others who avoided combat during the Vietnam War and now go off on Murtha.


  72. gummitch Says:

    That’s not true either, gummitch. A poll was taken of active-duty soldiers stationed around the world, and Rush’s show was indeed added as a result of said poll.

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    It certainly is true; they were not given the option of choosing to listen to Air America Radio broadcasts. Try to keep up.


  73. Doc Rock Says:

    Armed Forces Radio used to broadcast Rush doing daily attacks on the CINC during Clinton years--get him off!


  74. gummitch Says:

    As to your second question, because they tout themselves and their military service: “Cowards cut and run, Marines never do.”

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

    Neither of them cut and ran, both of them served honorably in actual combat. They didn't hide behind deferments, they didn't create terrible boils on their butts and they didn't hide out in the Air National Guard.

    You don't have the right to criticize them, anymore than your hero Rush or the other cowards who really did cut and run and avoided serving in the very war they supported in the 60s and 70s, when they had ample opportunity.


  75. hterrya Says:

    When I tried to send a comment to the Armed Forces Radio Network, I got this message:

    armedforcesradionetwork.org
    Coming Soon

    Note that there was a hard drive failure yesterday.

    Couldn't have happened at a better time for AFN.


  76. hterrya Says:

    I’m an American citizen, gummitch. So as long as I don’t get declared an “enemy combatant” I have every right to criticize elected officials.

    Comment by Rory — October 2, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

    Also, Rush has a right to criticize "phony soldiers" (even if they are not phony!).

    And, I have a right to criticize YOU, Rush, NeoCon warmongers, and General BetrayUS (any I am right about all of you.


  77. MiMiCcs Says:

    I think those in the Armed Forces should have a say on what is on radio.
    Leave the censorship to the Republicans. I tune him out myself. I remember a quote of his after the democrats took control of Congress, something to the effect that he was kind of happy about it because he was tired of supporting some of those Republicans he did not agree with. How do you take someone like that seriously?.

    Kind of like Baghdad Bob in a suit.

    As for the phony soldier comment. There are phony people in all walks of life, I am sure they exist in the military. Soldiers are not those who should
    supported without question, neither should they be lumped in a basket and declared to be bad people.

    We have a volunteer army. They do the job they agreed to do, and while we can appreciate them doing so, and many are patriots, we must remember that if we did not have an all volunteer army, this war was never started in the first place. It is only when the children of the elite and upper class are put on the front lines that we recognize that war should be a last resort and ended ASAP. When Sam Butler from rural Alabama falls, we don't notice, if a Bush or a Clinton fall in battle, the world cries for an end to the madness. We need more troops named Bush, Clinton, Limbaugh and O'Reilley fighting in Iraq.


  78. USpace Says:

    Rush should be arrested! Free speech can't be totally free...

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    smear ALL conservatives

    after getting caught
    for smearing a patriot
    .

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe thinks
    the Right is always wrong

    and the Left is always right
    and facts don't matter at all
    .


  79. Johnsnottoodistracted Says:

    Is there any valid reason why sewage should be allowed on afn to begin with?An hour of this guys mouth open provides an entire lake of septic flow.Was there ever a reason for this type noise to be allowed?
    Thinking about really brain dead actions that cost billions: why is the largest embassy and staff in the world in baghdad??
    What is the need?Why all the staff?
    When they send everyone home the can send the private insanity gangs home too.
    Really.What are all these people doing there??


  80. missmolly Says:

    The military has already blocked blog sites such as TP from the soldiers. They are being fair, of course -- they have blocked ALL political blog sites, right and left.

    If the military is going to do this for whatever reason (to protect the soldiers from what people are saying back home?), they should be consistent and ban political talking heads from AFR as well.


  81. sdunes Says:

    I think Rush and Melanie are phony patriots.


  82. maxx123 Says:

    Do not forget that Limbaugh did not 'win in the free market' as right wingers like to maintain. Rather, Limbaugh is subsidized by the elites who perpetuate class war from above.

    Read Orwell's 1984 again to see how 'the proles' are manipulated. Sadly, Limbaugh laughs his arse off at those who support as does George Bush Jr. Fascism never left the U.S., but now it is in charge.

    MoveOn.org, Codepink, Iraqi Vets Against the War and those who demostrate are the real American patriots. Calling them names no longer works. Fortunately for America the Fascists will lose again. Unfortunately they will destroy a lot of real American patriots before they do. McCarthyism, KKK, prohibitionists, slaveowners, they lost before and this current brand of Fascism will lose in the end in America. The nonsense is almost over, Limbaugh is the latest in those going under.

    If the Democratic party leadership would get off its butt and start impeachments of George Bush Jr. and Richard Cheney we could speed up the end of this junta and help to reduce our collective guilt for allowing intolerance to be given respect.


  83. Chocolate Jesus Says:

    >It seems as if MoveOn.org, “Media Matters” and Soros have taken a few >pages too many from the playbook of the National Socialist Party

    Shut up hermaphrodite.

    Oh, and Jakette/Rory, I'm LOVING watching you going into contortions trying to explain how Rush meant "fake soldiers" only to describe imaginary soldiers, and murtha and kerry, and no others. Do you think the iraqi vets who beleive what murtha and kerry does are fake soldiers too?

    > If Wes Clark told me it was raining, I`d sell my umbrella.

    what would you do it Dick Cheney told you he knew where Saddams WMD were?



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