Morgan Echoes Limbaugh: Soldiers Like Iraq War Vet Jon Soltz Are ‘Anti-America’ ‘Fake’ ‘Posers’
Morgan Echoes Limbaugh: Soldiers Like Iraq War Vet Jon Soltz Are ‘Anti-America’ ‘Fake’ ‘Posers’
On Fox News’ Hannity and Colmes last night, right-wing radio host Melanie Morgan said Rush Limbaugh was “accurate” when he said that service members who support withdrawal from Iraq are “phony soldiers.” While trying to support her claim, Morgan attacked VoteVets.org Chairman Jon Soltz as part of the “soldiers who are fake, or who are embellishers, or who are posers.”
Morgan then claimed that Soltz, who served honorably in both Kosovo and Iraq, has a “far left, anti-America agenda” and that he “undermine[s] the real mission of our troops, our heros who are out there”:
A number of, of, soldiers who are fake, or who are embellishers, or who are posers. Who go out there, or soldiers like Jon Soltz from VoteVet.org who go out there and use their far left, anti-America agenda. Political agenda to undermine the real mission of our troops, our heros who are out there.
Watch it:
While Limbaugh and his defenders on the right like Morgan are claiming that he’s been taken out of context and was only referring to a single fraudulent soldier, Jesse MacBeth, the fact that they continually reference actual veterans who are critical of the war as examples of “phony soldiers” undermines the credibility of their spin.
Last Friday, Limbaugh named anti-war Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), who earned the bronze star and two purple hearts during 37 years of service, as another example of a “phony soldier”:
I was talking about a genuine phony soldier — and, by the way, Jesse MacBeth is not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in the New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?
As Gen. John Batiste (Ret.), who commanded the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, said on MSNBC’s Countdown last week, Rush’s inclusion of Murtha and Morgan’s attack on Soltz, “dismisse[s]” the “validity” of their argument that Limbaugh’s comment didn’t apply to pro-withdrawal troops as a whole.
(HT: Clytemnestra)
UPDATE: On MSNBC’s Hardball in August, retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Robert “Buzz” Patterson, who works with Morgan at Move America Forward, accused Soltz of “stabbing” his “fellow men and women in uniform” in the back because he supports withdrawal from Iraq.
UPDATE II: Greg Sargent reports that Melanie Morgan has been smearing him, but nowhere does she “read to her listeners the actual exchange between Rush and his caller where he used the ‘phony soldiers’ phrase, so that they could make up their minds for themselves.”
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October 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmThe right is either morally bankrupt or completely deluded. I vote both.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmkeep talking rightwingers... bury yourselves alive!
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmThe right is either morally bankrupt or completely deluded. I vote both.
Comment by toasterhead — October 2, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Media Matters has documented this particular creep's outbursts in the past. It's possible that she's seriously demented but it's also possible that she is running some kind of shtick designed to make money by drawing psycho listeners to her radio show and getting her more bookings on FoxNews.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmC'mon Melanie, show your suppoort for the boys! I'm sure they could use you in the Joy Division over in Iraq.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmIt’s possible that she’s seriously demented but it’s also possible that she is running some kind of shtick designed to make money by drawing psycho listeners to her radio show and getting her more bookings on FoxNews.
Comment by gummitch — October 2, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
That's true - she must be paying a fortune for those botox injections.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmMorgan's claims draw simply another parallel to Vietnam when those veterans who came back and marched in parades and spoke out against the war were smeared as being unpatriotic. What Morgan does not say is that it takes more courage to speak out against the government than it does to simply blindly follow those illegal orders that they are given by those in power. The hope is that those in the military today will follow the example of the GI Resistance during the Vietnam War and that of Lt. Watada and the IVAW [Iraq Veterans Against the War] today by saying NO to the war machine of the United States.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmI wonder what exactly about these soldiers' service was fake.
Was the sand and dust that continually stung their eyes and jammed their weapons "fake"?
Was the 140-degree daytime heat "fake"?
Was the 60+ pound pack they had to carry "fake"?
Were the bullets shot at them by insurgents "fake"?
Were the casualties suffered by these brave soldiers "fake"?
Melanie, you're a disgusting, subhuman waste of skin.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?
You know, it only takes one documented case of a Marine killing a civilian in Haditha for Rush's argument to fail.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmStill waiting for GOP Senators and House members to speak out with the same passion and voice they used to condemn MoveOn. Of course i expect that, and suggest that hopefully sometime in, say, October 2008, the citizens will rise up and demand an accounting. Just remember, these freaks only have to convince 20% of the population living in 23 states in order to control the outcome of the US Senate (41 votes needed to shut down legislation). And sadly there are too many more than that who feel affinity for Faux realms.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmHow many purple hearts she have? What has she strapped on for us and gone into combat with? Just another paid mouth spouting the tripe cranked out by Cheney and the intellectual 'butterflies of the night' at hack shops like the American Enterprise Institute--by the way, did they take that name from 1984?
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmhow sad... someone who is working diligently day and night to help stop america's war obsession and the associated killing and dying is vilified... when did working to stop war and needless death become phony and un-american...? we call ourselves a peace and freedom-loving nation but we have seldom lived up to the advertising...
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
Ms. Morgan, go suck on Rush's ass cyst.
Wait! By the looks of your lips, that's what you've been doing.
Shop & Ahhhh, America, Shop & Ahhh....
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by Luis M — October 2, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
consider rush a failure
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6905781.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/02/marines.iraq.shooting.reut/index.html
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pmEvil people with black hearts
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmPeople like morgan, limpaugh and hannity don't support the troops they support the ideology of this administration.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:48 pmThey use the troops to carry out this ideology and support the idea of the troops doing so without being able to question.
So much for denying that the intent was taken out of context, huh? Sad. You people really are demented.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:48 pmWar is peace.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:49 pmFreedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
the problem so many wingnuts are having, is they have followed Bush so far down the rabbit hole, they cannot return. They are hiding and hoping, that eventually they will be proven right. They have nothing left to lose, and will attack and defame anyone who gets in their way. I am willing to bet they would smear Bush himself, if he stood up tomorrow, and said, we needed to pull our troops out of Iraq, and end the war.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pmconsider rush a failure
Comment by hellinabucket — October 2, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Oh, that boat has sailed a long time ago...
Can we now call him a phony radio host?
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pmMelanie Morgan probably thinks that by blatantly proclaiming that any soldier who supports withdrawal is a "phony soldier" (unlike Rush, who proclaimed it and then attempted to weasel out of it by tying his remarks to MacBeth after the fact), she will get a "sense of the Senate" condemnation if she is really lucky. Then she can rail against it with phony self-righteous indignation.
Attention and publicity of ANY kind is what these wingnut talking heads want.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmlooks like another recruit for the military. Get her a gun and a uniform and let's ship her to Iraq. Typical chickhawk bullshit.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmThat woman is so evil she makes my stomach turn every time I see her picture. You gotta love people who think that you are a "real soldier" if you want our troops to remain in Iraq to be slaughtered, but if you want to bring them home or offer them some measure of protection, you are a phony soldier. These evil people need to be shut up. I wish I knew a way to do it.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmre#23
I was thinking rush was a creep, but your exclamations points convinced me otherwise. well argued sir!
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmWar is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Comment by Leftside Annie
One more for ya
Arbeit mach frei
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmWork will set you free
I have been associated with the military and with military personnel for over 65 years. One or more members of my extended family, including myself, has been on active with the military from 1941 until today. Never in all that time have I ever heard any "phony soldier" say they hoped the war would never end so that they didn't have to go home to their families. Limpballs and his toadies need contact lenses in their respective navels so they can view the world through other than the brown haze caused by their rectal/cranial insertions.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmVendetta,
Melanie Morgan, just described Jon Soltz as a phony soldier, while attempting to defend Limbaugh who smeared any soldier who is against the Iraq war as a phony. Man you are way down the hole, and need some help.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmDoesn't this really blow up Rush's argument that it was all out of context? It's not like these zombies think for themselves, it's all the same propaganda and talking points.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmClyde,
be careful, you're about to be branded a phoney soldier.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper
What do you think of the rightwing manipulation of the image of the military? How they love to claim to speak for the troops and that they are the ones with the best interest of the military in mind? How they belligerantly yell "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" and then go around smearing veterans who disagree with them? Is the military starting to finally get wise to this stuff?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:04 pmWhat the heck is a fake soldier? If they serve or served, they are real and authentic.
She and Limpballs must be confusing loyal Bushies that never served with real soldiers that disagree with Bush's failed policies.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmPeople like morgan, limpaugh and hannity don’t support the troops they support the ideology of this administration.
Comment by nigel
I believe their entire motive is to a paycheck and to keep an audience of losers. I don't believe they 'support' or don't 'support' Bush's agenda or philosphy. They earn a living being anti-American nutjobs because, right now, there is a market for that nonsense. Until the market stops watching, they will still be spewing hate.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:08 pmNotice the word “OR†as in “or soldiers like Jon Soltz…â€
TP get the FAUX news award.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Funny. Last week the defense of Rush was that he was simply blurting out things on the radio and his garbled words shouldn't be held against him. Now, when Melanie Morgan is obviously blurting out words, we're to parse the sentences so that the "or" becomes a carefully crafted distinction between "who go out there" and "soldiers like Jon Soltz".
Make up your minds, wingnuts!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:08 pmOkay, let us start from the beginning, shall we?
Here is the actual transcript, to which I highlighted the important letter:
"What's really funny is, they [Iraq war critics] never talk to real soldiers," the caller said. "They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media."
"The phony soldiers," Limbaugh then said.
If Rush was only talking about one particular soldier, then why reference in the plural?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmRush has always been a racist, and now, a troop basher as well.
If only his program would take my calls. I have only one question:
Does Limbaugh consider Pat Tillman a "phony"???
twisting in the wind
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmThat’s true - she must be paying a fortune for those botox injections.
Comment by toasterhead — October 2, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
And she has had so many of them as well as face tucks, that her mouth is lopsided. And I think she has had a few shots of Botox to the brain as well.
When she is on Hardball, she has nailed all the Repug talking points.... even when they aren't germane to the discussion. She may be about as ditzy as her ex-porno queen friend, Laura Ingraham, another BushCo pole smoker.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:12 pmYou could play the video pal, what they have quoted is what she said.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmPotato potato, we know what she means. Freaking witch.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmNotice the word “OR†as in “or soldiers like Jon Soltz…â€
TP get the FAUX news award.
Comment by Vendetta
I believe you are the one who needs to put on your reading glasses. What TP posted is what you said. It is interesting to note that the Right Wing Loon Vendetta believes it is OK to attack soldiers as long as they are the soldiers she defines as being "phony soldiers". It sounds like you are drinking plenty of your hypocracy kool-aid.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmA number of, of, soldiers who are fake, or who are embellishers, or who are posers. Who go out there, or soldiers like Jon Soltz from VoteVet.org
Right there Bubba, she compares Jon Soltz to the fake soldiers like MacBeth. Get a clue, or some basic reading comprehension, your choice.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmId bet everything I have the answer is NO.
Comment by Vendetta
I'll bet everything I have the answer is YES. He's just not stupid enough to share that opinion with the public. Since Rush thinks that soldiers who oppose the occupation of Iraq are "phoney soldiers", you would have to include Pat Tillman in there because he was vehemently against the occupation of Iraq.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmwell shes a good christian soldier so she should know right? riiiiiigggghhht.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmBecause our troops are there on a mission and have thick skin.
what mission is that? it changes so frequently you should put it in parentheticals each time you say that.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:21 pmNot “and†gummy “OR†and she did not finsh with anything to the effect of “are phony†but rather was speaking to the harm the phony soldiers and real soldiers like Jon Soltz are doing to the other real soldiers now in battle.
She nowhere said “phony soldier like Jon Soltz†or “Jon Soltz is a phony soldierâ€.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Her intent is blindingly obvious to anyone who hears it or reads the transcript and who hasn't swallowed the right wing koolaid. It's even more obvious than Rush's comment, if only because she goes on at length about it. She is clearly lumping all the anti-war soldiers together as fake, poseurs, anti-American undermining the war effort. In all probability, she'd be the first person to deride your desperate attempt to prove otherwise.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:22 pmDo I hear a reichwing parrot???
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmSQWAAAAAK!!!
But TP should not lie about what she was saying.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
TP isn't lying, the video very clearly shows her comparing Jon Soltz to fake soldiers.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmIsn't this the woman that has a meltdown at every possible chance?
Why, on earth, would..should I listen to her opinion?
Hey Melanie, maybe they agree with Bush, that troops shouldn't be used for nation building? And that to be victorius one needs an exit strategy, both missing, of course, on this 'course'.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:24 pmIs it just me or does she also have the 'crazy eye' that many of these half-brain users do?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:25 pmThe quote is posted above the video in the start of the thread. I am sorry you are apparently using IE 4, and a dial up connection. But it is all there. She said it, and attacked Soltz as a phony soldier. do you need the definition of or?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhat if all the "phony soldiers" left Iraq and went home?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:28 pmThank you, Melanie, for clearing up Rush's intent for his listeners - which, of course, we understood all along.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:29 pmMeanwhile Rush ran to a doctor and faked butt pain to keep from becoming a vietnam phony poser.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:31 pmI even disagree with what she was saying. Because our troops are there on a mission and have thick skin. I think Solz should voice his opinion and that she is a twit. But TP should not lie about what she was saying.
Comment by Vendetta
TP did not lie about what they were saying. You are the one who was playing "twist the words", not them.
BTW your moniker is very interesting. It sounds like life has not treated you very well, that would explain your black heart.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmDoes Limbaugh consider Pat Tillman a “phony�??
Comment by DRxJ — October 2, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Id bet everything I have the answer is NO.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Well, you'd lose everything then. Tillman believed in the Afghanistan mission, but he was already wise to Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL). He had told other soldiers that he was voting for that other famous 'phony' soldier, John Kerry and he was going to speak out against the Iraq invasion/occupation when he returned to the states.
Why is it that those who haven't served a second in the military(like Rush, Morgan,Hannity, O'Reilly) are the purveyors of what is and isn't a phony soldier? What happens when 98% of the troops become 'phony soldiers'? What straw man will these cowards hide behind? Dick Cheney?
The RW Republican talking heads really need to huddle up. John Gibson just got done lying that Rush didn't say what he said...now Melanie is contradicting him and giving the story fresh legs. I'll bet Rushbo the pill junkie is wishing Melanie would STFU...not me, though, I want them to keep making their divisive remarks all the way to 2008.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmShe nowhere said “phony soldier like Jon Soltz†or “Jon Soltz is a phony soldierâ€.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Sure she did, she associated him with phony soldiers. And we associate you with compulsive liars.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmThese freaks are completely over the edge now. Poison oozes from their mouths, to be lapped up by panting dogs like Vendetta.
Though to say that is to slander all the good dogs in the world.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmKarl Rove, poser and phony college student, faked getting a degree from six universities so he, also, wouldn't have to be a fake, phony, poser of a soldier.
But this is understandable given the Republicans elected a fake, phony, poser who also got a deferment to keep from becoming a fake, phony, poser soldier.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmOur troops are on a mission -Vendetta
According to \/\/ that mission was accomplished and now they are nation building. Why is Rush, a coward of war, calling them phony for agreeing with what \/\/ said [troops should not be used for nation buildind]?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmYou cowards on the left sicken me!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Really? How so?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmBTW your moniker is very interesting. It sounds like life has not treated you very well, that would explain your black heart.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 2, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
I noticed that too. This isn't the first troll to use a handle that in one way or another evokes violent and/or racist thoughts.
In any case, Vendetta cleared things up nicely by letting on that he listens to Rush three hours a day.
I am sick and tired of the ludicrous, asinine semantic games that Bush-worshipping freaks like Vendetta use to support the march of fascism in this country. These semantic games have been perfected by the likes of Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm"What if all the "phoney soldiers" left Iraq and went home?"-comment by Art
Then we'd have PEACE.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmYou cowards on the left sicken me!
Comment by Michael
Rush is on the right, and I agree, the chicken hawks sicken me!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pmDid the right accuse our soldiers at Gitmo of torturing captives?
FBI agents who visited Gitmo did that.
Did the right flood the internet with posed pictures from Abu Grhaib?
I see. The only problem with Abu Ghraib was that the pictures were released. Never mind the sheer barbarism with which that prison was run.
Did the right forge military documents of the Commander & Chief?
Many think yes, that it was a setup. By the way, independent evidence corroborated that the reports were accurate, regardless of their origin.
Did the right reveal our secret prisons?
President Bush did that in an interview. I suppose you could say that he made it official.
Michael, I could go on, but I know others here will do it for me.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou cowards on the left sicken me!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
good. please be prompt and DIE!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm#
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“Really? How so?
Comment by DRxJâ€
Read # 71? Oh wait! Did you attend public schools? If so, maybe you should have someone read it to you.
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
and the repugs call the left elitist. ha!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmIf so, maybe you should have someone read it to you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by Michael (the Stalker) — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
How so?
#71: You cowards on the left sicken me!
I'm not sure what you think is cowardly about standing up against an illegal and immoral war. I'm glad that there are people besides me who are willing to oppose this war, and I will continue to support both the people speaking out against the war and the people in uniform.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmDid you attend public schools? If so, maybe you should have someone read it to you.
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
I attended public schools all the way through my engineering PhD from University of California. The same is true of a large majority of my colleagues.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmDid the right forge military documents of the Commander & Chief?
we wont know they were forged UNTIL bush releases the microfiche copies of his originals from the government storehouse. he wont do that so were left to believe they were accurate accounts.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmI'll say it again and again:
When are they gonna apply phony soldiers to someone who got out of military service in VietNam and didn't even bother to show up for his Guard service ?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmIf “anti-American†means anything, I’d say it means an inclination to blame America for every world problem, and to vigilantly search for America’s guilt while downplaying, ignoring, or excusing the guilt of its enemies.
You cowards on the left sicken me!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Explain why Iraq was our enemy prior to our invasion.
The fact that the reactionaries and anti-socialists on the right have cheerleaded this illegal and immoral war/occupation primarily for the political/financial benefit of the Republican Crime Syndicate makes your litany of straw dog questions unworthy of an answer.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmh please? You are nothing but a dumb liberal chump!
Comment by Michael
So Michael?
When did Rush, the addict, serve?
When did Coulter, the hater, serve?
When did Cheney, the Veep, serve?
Why did Malkin, serve?
Or Jonah Goldberg?
Or Ben Ferguson?
When did Podhoretz, a former lefty commentator, serve?
What about Roves service?
You are nothing but a dumb liberal chump!
Comment by Michael
Since you want to use Pee Wee Herman antics...
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmI know you are what am I?
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“and the repugs call the left elitist. ha!
Comment by bob hâ€
No not elitist. Our parents were smart enough to make sure we didn’t set foot in one of those failed institutions!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
like rush you cant back out of the INTENT of what you say - its as plain as the scowls worn by elitist fop repugs that have their kids kept away from the 'rif raf' in public schools.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:49 pmRead # 71? Oh wait! Did you attend public schools? If so, maybe you should have someone read it to you.
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Pretty funny coming from someone who hasn't figured out how to punctuate sentences? Michael? DRxJ is yanking on your chain and you can't even figure that out?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmOur parents were smart enough to make sure we didn’t set foot in one of those failed institutions!
Comment by Michael (the question mark king) — October 2, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
That explains your mastery of proper punctuation.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmhe lieks tha attention - see hes home schooled and has no friends
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmNo not elitist. Our parents were smart enough to make sure we didn’t set foot in one of those failed institutions!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007
Speaking of failed institutions...What exactly did you learn other than the hyper use of the question mark and calling people, you dont know or can see, dopes? [which is an elitist thing to do]
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmNo not elitist. Our parents were smart enough to make sure we didn’t set foot in one of those failed institutions!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
They botched the job of teaching you how to think, Michael? Public school would certainly have been an improvement over whatever home schooling or charter school they stuck you in?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmDid the right accuse our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night? (kerry)
No, because they're cowards or don't give a care.
Did the right accuse Marines of cold blooded murder and war crimes? (murtha)
No, because they're cowards or don't give a care.
etc etc etc...
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmWhen did Rush, the addict, serve?
When did Coulter, the hater, serve?
When did Cheney, the Veep, serve?
Why did Malkin, serve?
Or Jonah Goldberg?
Or Ben Ferguson?
When did Podhoretz, a former lefty commentator, serve?
What about Roves service?
What does that have to do with anything?
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
its called integrity and believability. they have none. thats the point.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmSo mikey is home schooled. Probably heavily in the Xian mode, like a male Carrie.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pmExplains a lot.
Michael constantly talks about teaching others, because of his expensive education, because they are dopes.
Michael, you certainly act like an elitist snob.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pmi bet he wears a monocle.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhat does that have to do with anything?
Comment by Michael
What does your education have to do with Rush, a failed student, and his cowardly remark toward the troops?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmWhat does that have to do with anything?
Comment by Michael
Can you say phony patriotism?
Can you say cowardly conservatives?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pmFirst off I gave the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life. I’m sorry, I don’t consider anyone on the left a “real soldier†when they support organizations like Media Matters, moveon.org, etc. If you fit into that classification and you served, you’re a phony!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
oh boy its rush in the flesh - idiot.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmFirst off I gave the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life.
Comment by Michael Ann Coulter — October 2, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Servicing Navy men on leave does not constitute being a soldier!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:59 pmFirst off I gave the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life. I’m sorry, I don’t consider anyone on the left a “real soldier†when they support organizations like Media Matters, moveon.org, etc. If you fit into that classification and you served, you’re a phony! -Michael
I’m sorry, I don’t consider anyone on the right a “real soldier†when they support cowardly pundits like Rush Limbaugh, or Bill Oreilly , FOX news, Freerepublic, townhall, etc. If you fit into that classification and you did not serve you’re a phony!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 pmSo Micheal you agree with Rush and Ms. Morgan, that any vets who are against the Iraq war are phonys? I think you should go tell them that yourself, preferably at the nearest Army base.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 pmYou cowards on the left sicken me! -Comment by Michael
I have a great memory, but it's short.
TP'rs, is this 'Weasel Word' or 'Wiggle Worm'?
They all sound the same to me...
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pmFirst off I gave the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life.
Comment by Michael Ann Coulter
Yet your backing a drug addled radio personality that couldnt..wouldn't go serve because he has an ingrown butt hair on his cocyx bone?
Puhhhlease.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmRush is making an appearance on Bill O’Reilly tonight. I think there will be a unified effort to go after Hillary’s Media Matters. With their combined audiences, this will be huge! Stay tuned?
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Too bad they will get confused on how to tie their shoes, and not show up. Not that it matters, not like a dozen people can do that much.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmStay tuned?
Comment by Michael Ann Coulter — October 2, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Public education, my boy (or girl), public education.
My twins, who are attending kindergarten this year, have a better grasp on proper punctuation than you do
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmSo Micheal you agree with Rush and Ms. Morgan, that any vets who are against the Iraq war are phonys? I think you should go tell them that yourself, preferably at the nearest Army base.
Comment by Krazny — October 2, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
oh...touche...touche.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmRush is making an appearance on Bill O’Reilly tonight. I think there will be a unified effort to go after Hillary’s Media Matters. With their combined audiences, this will be huge! Stay tuned? -Michael
Why would you, Navy Man, listen to two cowards that did everything they could to keep from serving? You should be sickened!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmi bet he wears a monocle.
Comment by bob h — October 2, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Nah, Michael doesn't read...he just listens to Rush tell him 'the truth'. A 'truth' he gets paid $24MM/year to pitch to the collective elitists that think Rush believes what he tells 'em.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmRush is making an appearance on Bill O’Reilly tonight. I think there will be a unified effort to go after Hillary’s Media Matters. With their combined audiences, this will be huge! Stay tuned?
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Michael? Do you think their combined audiences can stay up late enough? Since their combined audiences are over the age of 60?
It should be huge? Especially since their combined weight is probably over 500 pounds? Are you making fun of the two fatheads?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pmThat’s not what he said and you know it. But I suppose if you say it over and over again you will ultimately believe it. It worked with Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
It's certainly what you just said?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pmBush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
freudian slip?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pmIt worked with Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007
So what was this toppling of Saddam really about, after all the fibbs, michael?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 pmWhy is it that the Right simply see’s what they want and ignores EVERYTHING else???
Comment by RemoveBush
That's how they exist. If they ever opened their brains to alternative views, their heads would explode.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 pmThis disgusts me to no end. Especially from someone who has never served, let alone has seen combat.
This is a phenomenal blog - illustrating a rebuttal more eloquently than I ever could. If anyone wants to know what war is like, this is a must read. It brought back many memories.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Louis XIV said, "L'état, c'est moi" (that means "I am the state", Michael). Bush's slogan could be "I am the troops."
To insulate the war (the only real phony thing we're talking about) from criticism they cloak it in our mutual respect for the troops. But they'll also tell you that the only good troops are the ones that support the war. So (their logic here) the only way to be patriotic and respect the sacrifice of military servicepeople is to believe whatever Bush says. Riiiight
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmRead the unedited transcripts Michael, it is what he said.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmIf you fit into that classification and you served, you’re a phony!
Comment by Michael —
Another rear projectionist.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmMelanie must be right. You only have to look at her lips and hair to realize that. Yep, Melanie knows fake, alright.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmBy the way, I am no way a pacifist - as I don't think Eisenhower was - but the military is not a toy or game.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmWeasel Word, that's it!
Hey, Weasel Word, how's the hammer hang'n?
What's that? I better ask Rush? Wow! I didn't know you two were tight.
Congrats! Give him a big wet kiss on the cyst for me, mmmkai?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmAnd if they continue through the public school system, they’re doomed!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007
Are you questioning the Bush elitist superior No Child Left Behind Act?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 pmAnd if they continue through the public school system, they’re doomed!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007
Michael admits that Bushs education plan is a failure and calls him a liar, all in one thread!
Your rock michael!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmYou cowards on the left sicken me!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
You who pretend to be a Navy vet, yet you did not know what an NEC or a dd214 was until I told you here on tp, make me sick, you lying freak troll
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:11 pmCare to give us one?
Comment by Michael
First you need to decouple your cranium from its rectal viewing port?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:12 pmI’m questioning public school education in general.
Comment by Michael
You better stop questioning your dear leaders genius?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmMichael admits that Bushs education plan is a failure and calls him a liar, all in one thread!
Your rock michael!
Comment by Xisithrus — October 2, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Really, there are times we really shouldn't feed the trolls, like Michael Ann Coulter, but then again, it is very entertaining to watch them implode with their own stupidity.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pmI’m questioning public school education in general.
Comment by Michael —
Well, public school education doesn't create war mongering fools that deluded style of thinking seems only to exist in the supposedly 'higher' schools of elitist education.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmWell, Mikey, I'm questioning your ramshackle trailer park education.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmDid the right accuse our soldiers at Gitmo of flushing the koran down the toilet?
It happened. And it was a reporter who reported it.
Did the right accuse our soldiers at Gitmo of torturing captives?
They have tortured captives, would you rather the world never new?
Did the right flood the internet with posed pictures from Abu Grhaib?
No, the news organizations did it. Would you rather the world had never known. (BTW, this is a rhetorical question)
Did the right forge military documents of the Commander & Chief?
No, and neither did the Democrats. There were no forged military documents. They couldn't verify them, but that doesn't mean they were forged.
Did the right reveal our secret prisons?
No, the New York Times did. Would you rather the world had not known?
Did the right compare our troops to Nazis? (durbin)
No Durbin did not. This was another case of the Right taking words out of a sentence while leaving out the context of the sentence.
Did the right accuse our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night? (kerry)
Kerry never said that. Care to prove it?
Did the right accuse Marines of cold blooded murder and war crimes? (murtha)
Yes, Murtha did that. He had been told that information by the Military. So, the question is, did the Military accuse Marines of cold-blooded murder? Also, one of the soldiers testified at the trial that he was ordered to commit cold-blooded murder by his commanding officer.
Did the right use the phoney soldier Jesse Macbeth as their poster boy?
The Democrats did this? Link to any proof of this.
As far as I can tell the Democrats had never even heard of Jessie MacBeth until Rush brought him up.
Did the right use the phoney soldier Scott Beauchamp as their poster boy?
The Democrats did this? Again, link to any proof of this.
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So Right Wing Loon Michael, put up or shut up!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:16 pmI’m questioning public school education in general.
Comment by Michael —
I guess, in his case, home schooling with Mom for 12 years gave him all those social skills, huh?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by DRxJ — October 2, 2007
I didn't feed it, I just wanted to lure it close enough to bash it with its own dopey statements. =P
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:17 pmIt doesn't matter what Michael here thinks. I proudly served in the Army and I will continue to speak out about the invasion of Iraq. It was poorly conceived. It wasn't properly manned, staffed or funded for. The rationale to go in has never been justified and soldiers have died because of it.
You continue to let unseen fear allow you to be driven by this administration. I'll speak out for the soldiers and for this country.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:19 pmI’m questioning public school education in general.
Comment by Michael Ann Coulter services Navy men — October 2, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Just so we are clear, Michael, (and kudos to Verbal Kint), public school education allowed me to attend a public university, which allowed me to attain a Bachelors of Pharmacy degree, which has allowed me this past year to own and run an LTC pharmacy.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:20 pmI ain't braggin', I'm just sayin'......
Doesn’t surprise me that you can’t!
Comment by Michael
Its okay michael, I know your angry with your current 'position, dont take out your wide stance on me, no, Im trying to help, see, I'm taking donations for your abdominal plexautomy.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:21 pmAn Iranian university has invited US President George W. Bush to talk on campus, a week after his Iranian counterpart Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was given a frosty reception at a US institute, the press reported on Monday.
Hey michael I bet Bush chickens out on this offer.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pmundermines the credibility of their spin.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:27 pmFirst off I gave the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life. I
Comment by Michael
Isn't the internet wonderful. Right Wing Loons like Michael can say they are anything they want to be. Doesn't matter if it isn't true, there's no way we can prove it.
BTW Right Wing Loon Michael. Did I ever tell you I was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmBilbo,
I spent 6 years fighting the Nazis in Europe. Never mind that I was born in 1974.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pmWayne still hasn’t answered my question! It seems he has run away. Do you think maybe it’s because he to is a “phony soldier�
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
No? I think he's tired of your childish behavior? As are we all?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:31 pmIt's interesting the "out-of-context" defense considering it was completely ignored for Kerry's joke.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pmWrong wayne! I knew what a DD214 was as I’ve had to produce it often enough, I didn’t know what you were referring to by NEC.
Comment by Michael — September 28, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/28/senate-dems-limbaugh-letter/#comment-4095997
Proof enough
Michael who claims to be ex-Navy did not know what a NEC was, untill I told him.
Michael,want me to bring up the posts where we had to tell you what a dd214 was, too and embarrass you further?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:36 pmReasons why Michael Ann Coulter should have received public education:
1) Developing his short term memory skills and learning proper capitalization:
You say kerry and murtha didn’t make those comments when it is fact that they did.
Yes, Murtha did that.
2) Realizing when to not use double negatives to support your argument:
You deny that the forged documents weren’t forged
3) Understanding the correct usage of to, two and too.
Do you think maybe it’s because he to is a “phony soldier�
Whew, thanks Michael Ann Coulter. I already feel better about my twin's public education!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pmI leave town for a few weeks and all hell breaks lose…..
Hey, your tickets for your next get out of town are in the mail.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pmYou say kerry and murtha didn’t make those comments when it is fact that they did.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to prove, should it. And I did admit that Murtha said what you said he did. I also pointed out it was the Military who told Murtha the things Murtha told the press.
You deny that the forged documents weren’t forged when it is know fact that the type of script on the documents didn’t exist on typewriters back then.
If you were in the military during that time take out your DD214 and look at the script. That is what Bush’s documents would have appeared. Not with the “Word†script. You liberals are not only corrupt, but stupid also!
Sorry Right Wing Loon Michael, several experts disproved this. Not to mention the fact that Bush's military papers mysteriously disappeared. Why do you think that is? Also there was the testimony of the guys secretary who said everything that was in the letter was true. But then you Right Wing Loons never let the truth get in the way of your fantasies.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pmI leave town for a few weeks and all hell breaks lose…..
Lemme guess, visiting your dead kid's grave?
Nah...
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:38 pmSweet.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:39 pmA fake lawyer posting along with a fake Navy man.
Today just keeps getting better and better.
Any soldier who is shot but they get into a helicopter before he dies is not counted.â€
Comment by RemoveBush
And then there are all the soldiers who die by their own hands because they can't get treatment for their PTSD and can't live with the horror of Iraq haunting them every night.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:40 pmI leave town for a few weeks and all hell breaks lose…..
Toooodles………….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Didn't miss you a bit. Since your M.O. is to swoop in, leave a single post filled with right-wing propaganda and swoop out with "Toooodles.....", you're to be ignored, since you're generally too cowardly to stick around for rebuttal.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:40 pmWow, Mighty herself. Hello Mighty. I'll get right to the point in exposing your post. War has never been declared. Nazi Germany declared war against us and we engaged the enemy. Talk about understanding history. Sheesh.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pmRush is making an appearance on Bill O’Reilly tonight. I think there will be a unified effort to go after Hillary’s Media Matters. With their combined audiences, this will be huge! Stay tuned?
Comment by Michael
Oh boy, oh boy, the 28%ers are going to have a party tonight. And they are going to be sorely disappointed when they wake up tomorrow and see that their ranting and raving has made zero impact on the world.
Ask me if we care. The 70% of Americans who have their heads screwed on straight wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near O'Lieley and Limpbaugh.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:45 pmAh wayne? I’ve been looking for you!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Then why do you keep running off as soon as I respond to your silliness?
**crickets**
Hilarious
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:45 pmDid the right accuse our soldiers at Gitmo of flushing the koran down the toilet?
Did the right accuse our soldiers at Gitmo of torturing captives?
No, that would be the lawyers and FBI agents who visited the prison, and the PRESS who reported on it. Not the ephemeral "left" that consists of everything and everyone that doesn't support .
Did the right flood the internet with posed pictures from Abu Grhaib?
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
So the fact that our soldiers were committing such acts isn't a big deal at all? It's the fact that someone had the gall to call them out on it, and presented evidence proving it? That tells everybody all they need to know about the like of you. I won't even bother with going through and smashing down all of your other points. Besides which to say, others above have done so.
A good half of your "examples" are things that SHOULD BE REPORTED ON, ALWAYS.
-Flushing any prisoner's holy text down the toilet? That should be reported.
-Torturing captives? That should be reported.
-Posing with naked, hooded and tied up prisoners? That should be reported.
-Secret prisons? That should be reported.
-Troops barging in night after night into houses full of women and children, searching and moving on? Night after night after night of sheer TERROR for those women and children? That should be reported.
-Marines ordered by their superior officers to kill innocent civilians in cold-blood (aka, a war crime)? That should be reported.
Those activities are atrocious, and should be treated as such. It isn't the exposure of those activities that is criminal, IT IS THE ACTIVITIES THEMSELVES.
The most convincing evidence against the "right" and its agenda of endless, preemptive war (or more precisely, their DESIRE to go to war), is the sheer number of veterans who run for political office on a pro-aggression message, versus the number running with a "war as a last resort only" platform. Regardless of the political climate of the time, and regardless of which party is the party of pro-war 'hawks, and which are the party favoring the cautionary, defensive use of our military, the bulk of veterans side with the cautious. They invariably side with those who will only use war as a last recourse.
Right now, the pro-war, aggressive party happens to be the Republicans, and the cautionary, anti-aggression, "war is a last resort" party happens to be the Democrats. Thus, the reason for the large disparity between never-served hawks pushing for war on the "right", and the veterans trying to prevent war on the "left".
You projecting COWARDS on the "right" sicken me!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pmAsking about past military mighty? Why does it matter to you that Kerry threw his medals or someone else's. He earned those medals.
Why hasn't Bush come clean with his cover ups and no shows in his nonexistent military career?
Doonesbury still has $10,000 for anyone that can place bush in his unit at the time Bush says he was there. No takers. Why do you think that? $10,000 to support the president and nobody has come forward. Not one. Are you going to tell me that Bush's unit is filled with rich democrats that don't want to help the president? The more likely answer is that he wasn't there and can't be placed with his unit at the given timeframe and has falsified his military records.
Disgraceful and you follow that fool.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pmCare to give us one?
Comment by Michael
There are plenty on this blog. But your reading skills don't seem to be up to comprehending what people post.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmShe is giving aid to the enemy.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhat a traitor.
Already explained that mighty. I'm dissappointed in you. You are usually smarter than what you show now. Germany declared war on us and Germany was in North Africa. Do you not want us to go after the ones who declare war on us? Like OBL and AQ (not to be confused with the AQI)
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:53 pmExplain when and where the North Africans attacked us…….Explain how the majority of active duty military members LOVE John Kerry and his cohorts.
*sigh* (tap….tap…..tap……)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
We assume you are referring to the Nazi Troops we attacked in North Africa? You know the - cough - standing Nazi Army?
Would you care to explain how the majority of active duty military members LOVE George Bush and his cohorts.
*sigh* (tap....tap.....tap......)
Poor lonely little girl, stubs her toe on reality again!!! and AGAIN and AGAIN!!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pmExplain when and where the North Africans attacked us…'
Rommel's Afrika Corp was rampaging through North Africa, and attempting to crush the opposition, to 1. seize control of the oil resources in the middle east, and 2. to open a second front against the Soviets. But he don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy world.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pmHere’s the difference - John Kerry doesn’t tell jokes - he IS the joke. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Sorry child, we think you were referring to George Bush's Horse Milking, and projected that onto the actual person that SERVED in the military.
The majority of the military despise him, Harry Reid, Tom Harkin and the aptly named, Dick Durbin. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Well, you're about 3 years out of date (like most of your comments) with reality. Those that did despise Kerry, probably were fed the same cock and bull smear that you keep posting. But see, they aren't as mentally challenged as you are. You really shouldn't do a popularity contest in the military with Kerry or Reid and Bush. You might be shocked to discover the results!!!
Kerry showed himself for what he is with his U-turn on the military. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Better than the AWOL of Bush. At least Kerry tried to save his fellow military men from unnecessary deaths in a needless war - Bush can't kill them fast enough. Not that you are smart enough to recognize reality though! Thank goodness most Americans aren't as easily fooled, and cowed as you are!
BTW, did he ever explain whether he threw his military awards over the fence at the WH or simply threw them away without benefit of an audience?
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Yeah, like we've never seen political theater before, like a "Mission Accomplished" Codpiece event!
Wah, Wah, Wah, someone insulted me, Wah! You conservatives are such whiny little crybabies.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:58 pmJohn Kerry can do whatever he likes with his ribbons and medals. The FACT that his story changed along the way was my question. Sorry you were confused…..again.
Comment by flaccid narcissus — October 2, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
What year is this again? Do you imagine that anyone on the left gives a tiny mouse fart about John Kerry or that he's even faintly relevant? More desperation from the Far Right -- "look, John Kerry! Clinton!"
Your holiday did nothing to improve your cognition, that's for sure.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:58 pmJohn Kerry can do whatever he likes with his ribbons and medals. The FACT that his story changed along the way was my question. Sorry you were confused…..again.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Yeah, like George Bush's story about his SERVICE never changed...
Come on, give us some more GOP VALUES hypocrisy today. We just can't get enough of your double standards!!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:59 pmMichael #71 the simplest answer to your little rant is that regardless of who revealed what, or who did what, is that the right condoned every action in your list. Face it your real problem is not that these things were revealed, but that in being revealed all of these actions exposed the right for who they truly are. But rather than admit the ugly nature of the party you choose to associate with you choose to accept it and further you choose to to attack the accusers rather than ever address the actual issue at hand.
When the notion of rightwing chicken hawk war mongers who never served comes up, (Rush, Dirty Dick, Rove, Coulter, Goldberg, The Romney kids etc...) right-wingers always say that it should not mater whether they served or not. However we have you Michael, continually putting out there that you served, right along with MA, Jake and others as if their real or imagined service is going to carry some more weight than someone else who does not agree with you. So what is it, does service matter? Or not? If it matters than the chicken hawks are fair game, especially those who actively worked to avoid service like dirty dick, rove and Rush. If it does not matter than stop trying to impress by tossing your service record out there.
I say keep it up, keep filling the public forums with your hate and bile. Tithe more exposure you get the better it is for our country because more and more people will become repelled by what they see and hear. Look what the last two years has done for you people. And all the negatives people feel for the die hard 29% club is not the liberal media exposing its bias. It's not traitorous congressmen, senators or soldiers showing how much they hate America. Nope it is the right conducting business as usual and failing miserably at it that is costing the right their political position and their waning credibility. As I've said many times before... no one hates America quite as much as the right because they are the ones who complain the most about freedoms granted in the constitution, they are the ones who complain most about our society, they are the ones who work most to undermine what America used to be simply because it is not what they want it to be. Your time is up.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmHelen - So if terror cells were operating (and continue to operate) in Iraq you don’t want to abandon that front? Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Germans weren't in North Africa, North Africa was German Territory! Are you claiming that the 'terror cells' run the Iraq government? Or were you just intentionally conflating two unrelated and forming an irrational argument to make yourself look bad?
Why do the majority of Leftards? Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Can't attack the message, so you smear the messenger. Those are the good old GOP values we all LOVE so much!!!
We’re in Afghanistan….so is that OK with you? Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Considering that the government of Afghanistan was directly supportive of, and one could even argue was largely controlled by Al Qaeda - that's about as close to a North Africa comparison that you can get. Lest you forget, Afghanistan was a NATO, and truly international affair. You had very little resistance nationally or internationally. Despite that, the Bush admin has proceeded to mess that campaign up as well. You guys can't wash cars reliably!
We advise the Filipino government - you OK with that??? Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Wow - ADVICE!!! EWWHHHH, SCARY!!!
I’m beginning to think the Left could care less about an American victory……..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
No, you haven't begun to think at all - that's the point child!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:05 pmSo mighty aphrodite, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you love draft dodgers so much, and hate war heroes that disagree with particular wars....
Was it an abusive childhood, or did the insanity set in later in life?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:06 pmI want accountability. something that is lacking in this administration. Do you admit that Germany declared war on us? Do you understand that we haven't declared war on Iraq? Do you admit that Bush falsified his military record?
Afghanistan is where we should be. I've stated that before to you. Victory in Iraq is an obscure term that the Bush administration keeps redefining so I'm not sure what definition you may believe it to be. Democracy? That can't be thrown upon a people. It has to come from within.
Kerry is yesterday. I don't think he is any worry to the present administration. He was wrong to change his story and has paid for it. Bush sticks to his about his military service but can't provide any evidence to support it. You stand by that.
It's you who could care less about America. You are standing behind a fool.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pmHey! Where did Mickey "I needs my edumacation private!" go?
Now were stuck with a faux lawyer echoing the right's sorry ass talking points that have no relevance to this particular thread.
Hey mighty, tell us another dead child joke. Those are my favorite. Include the details so all the newbies can have a laugh.
Ohhh, and eat something, for Cheesus sake!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:08 pmI am well aware of the facts….but subtlety eludes you. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Evidence states the contrary.
I apologize - really I do Please explain why we should surrender in Iraq when our enemy is there……Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Germans were also living in Argentina, should we have surrendered to them? You didn't make a point, you conflated an irrelevant relationship that didn't exist. Counselor one can only hope you are better at your day job, because the Court declares you in malpractice!
Open the door and Krazny gingerly steps into the quicksand……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Says the person that didn't know North Africa was Nazi territory! Sink baby, Sink, in the quagmire that is the GOP Values Swamp!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:08 pmmighty, there is no need to surrender anything. the military battle was won long ago. You support our troops being targets in a civil war. AQI is less than 10% of the evil doers in Iraq and are being addressed better by the Iraqis themselves.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmBig difference dumb one there was no threat from Iraq, there we no al Qeada in Iraq, Iraq was nothing, but a place with lots of oil.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmHey mighty, Al Qaeda has cells in the US, Germany and Saudi Arabia, should the US occupy those countries as well? Or did you drown in the quicksand known as the GOP Conflation Quagmire?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:11 pmI’m beginning to think the Left could care less about an American victory……..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Describe what you consider "victory" in Iraq?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pmI’m beginning to think the (sic)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Very doubtful that you are, or ever will begin to think.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pmRush never said any vet who is against the war are phonies. Stop adding to the little fish story. It was a little comment about Macbeth and others like him. Blown out of the water by Media Matters which is supported by left wingers who will do anything to be right; even build an infracture of B.S.
Read other things besides the same B.S. every day. Expand your horizons. Take a peek around those blinders, sheep!
Murtha never apologized to the soldiers and neither has Obama about war atrocities they claim happened but that never occured.
Hillary has helped to build the machine that is Media Matters to destroy any that oppose her or her left wing agendas.
Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.
al-Qaida has declared war against us. Why hasn't Congress returned the favor? Perhaps because it is not a nation. Therefore, it has to be military engagements authorized by Congress. Which they have and now moan about it but do nothing to stop it. I know, I know al-Qaida is not in Iraq but they are...but they aren't...but they are. Pick one.
All talk...keep talking in your fantasy world. The realist will make sure you keep your right to free speech and the like while you and yours try to destroy others' rights to free speech.
It is okay to disagree but to destroy character without true evidence.
Rather-Bush....Media-Kerry....Sharpton-Imus...Sharpton-Romney...Media, Sharpton, Jackson-Duke Lacrosse Team...
Just to name a few.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmRush never said any vet who is against the war are phonies. Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 2, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Yes he did.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:17 pmAlso, did you notice the video feed jumps when she begins to discuss the phony soldiers and Soltz. I wonder, is that a left or right wing conspiracy of doctoring the video....ooooooooooooooooooo...cannot wait for the next episode of neo cons and their ways to destroy the world...tomorrow on thinkprogress....we lean so far left we are almost right...but not quite
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:18 pmMA-
Do you really want to discuss the Nazi's illegally invading and occupying the ME for their oil? How about telling us about Prescott Bush and how he fronted the Nazi financial and manufacturing interests while we we at war? The Bush family seems to always put their financial/political interests before our country's interests...remember Arms for Hostages? Why do you hate America so much MA?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 2, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6905781.stm
Try following your own advice, this is what Murtha was referring too.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe unedited transcripts of what Limbaugh said, and what this woman said, very clearly state, that all soldiers who have served in Iraq, and are against the war are phonys. She calls Jon Soltz a phony in her rant.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:21 pmMichael???
I thought you were blabbing you were looking for me,and you run off yet again....
New theme song for Michael the troll
Where oh where did michael troll go?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:25 pmOh, where oh where could he be?
With his tail tucked in,
He's run off again
Oh where oh where could he be?
Also, did you notice the video feed jumps when she begins to discuss the phony soldiers and Soltz. I wonder, is that a left or right wing conspiracy of doctoring the video….ooooooooooooooooooo…cannot wait for the next episode of neo cons and their ways to destroy the world…tomorrow on thinkprogress….we lean so far left we are almost right…but not quite
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 2, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Another paranoid moment, brought to you by the delusional wingnut whiny brigade.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmYou didn’t get the memo??? Terrorists groups have been in and out of Iraq for years……. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Which terrorist groups? We're supposedly fighting Al Qaeda, and they weren't in Iraq.
“Iraq was nothing but a place with lots of oil.†….Hmmmm….An enemy on the ground? Oil in the ground?…..Sounds like North Africa…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Not enough oil, that's why you guys aren't there yet. And they're selling to China, not the US, so China would fight us in the UN.
You really aren't very educated on the Geo Political situation, are you child?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:28 pmProof MA? Links to show all these terrible terrorists in Iraq? None zip zero. You are pathetic, but what can I expect from you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:30 pmsad mighty, very sad. You ignore any discussion on Bush's invisible military record but stick to a nonexistent North Africa/Iraq similarity.
tsk, tsk, tsk. I expected more from you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:30 pmProof MA? Links to show all these terrible terrorists in Iraq? None zip zero. You are pathetic, but what can I expect from you.
Comment by Krazny — October 2, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Ah, the poor zionists blame the Palestinian conflict on everyone but themselves... She's referring to the money that Saddam was sending to families that had lost people in the conflict, and the families of suicide bombers. She prefers to 'punish' those families, and all Arabs - just like most of the racist wingnuts.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:32 pmtsk, tsk, tsk. I expected more from you.
Comment by hellinabucket — October 2, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
And why would you do that? Maybe it's her man-love for Tranny Annie that fooled you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:34 pmYou didn’t get the memo??? Terrorists groups have been in and out of Iraq for years…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Fact. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq when we invaded. The reason given was WMDs which DID NOT EXIST!
Fact Al Qaeda is still in Afghanistan, which we pulled troops from, in order to invade Iraq, for WMDs which DID NOT EXIST!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:35 pmNot fooled. Just know that mighty is more capable than the sophmoric responses she's given so far.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmI consider an Iraq able to govern itself in a representative government and protect its citizens from sectarian violence and outside threats a VICTORY.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Hahahaha. You just described Saddam´s regime.
What a joke.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmI consider an Iraq able to govern itself in a representative government and protect its citizens from sectarian violence and outside threats a VICTORY.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
You want America, which cannot completely keep you safe on the streets here from violence, to stay in Iraq until it accomplishes something America cannot provide for itself?
Hell, we can't even secure our own borders.....
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:40 pmI consider an Iraq able to govern itself in a representative government and protect its citizens from sectarian violence and outside threats a VICTORY. Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
What if that government aligns with Iran, still a victory? The reason you wingnuts installed Saddam in the first place is because you didn't like who the Iraqis chose as their democratic leader. What if history repeats itself? More dictators?
(Pssst….I always thought Saddam and Fidel used the same Dem Pollsters…..)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Well, you never thought, so that explains this post. Saddam was brought to power by wingnuts that helped him because he killed the commies. History is inconvenient for folks like you - especially when you're this ignorant of it!
Poor little skinheads!
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:41 pmKrazny - You didn’t get the memo from Khalid Sheik Mohammad?
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 2, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Oh sorry didn't realize the guy who admitted to fathering one of Brittney Spears Children, also admitted to terrorists in Iraq, while under torture. You are truly a pathetic waste of humanity. I will pray that God has mercy on your soul.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmYou didn’t get the memo from Khalid Sheik Mohammad?
Comment by mighty aphrodite
The terrorist that confessed all his crimes after her kids were tortured...
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:46 pmDuh...her/sb his.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmI would much rather we clean our own house before we tell others how to run theirs.
Great observation Juan C.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:47 pm#199 I believe Murtha was talking about this case. Not the one you suggest.
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/09/06/news/top_stories/1_02_549_5_07.txt
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:48 pmThis woman is very annoying. (BIG UNDERSTATEMENT) Good for the NewsHour for banning her appearances. She is uncivilized and vulgar. Perhaps, someone should question her phony skin -- the astonishing amounts of botox and all.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmmighty's arguments don't have the same punch they used to.
Bush lied about his military service mighty. He is unfit to be president for this alone. Yet you support him. Why?
Kind of puts any morality point in the crapper.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:55 pmHellllooooo. Mighty. Why won't you discuss the military record of Bush?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 pmThis is a "phony soldier" thread and Bushs' invisible record does apply.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:57 pmAh, Aphrodite -- you didn't leave after all. Good. Now I can address your post.
"Liberal posers want to abandon a front in the worldwide war against radical Islam, namely Iraq."
-- You forgot to mention that Iraq was NEVER a "front in the worldwide war against radical Islam" until we invaded it. The only reason Al Qaeda is there now is because our destabilization of the country has made it an attractive breeding ground. But even WITH Al Qaeda's presence, less than 5% of the violence is attributable to foreign insurgents. We wish to leave Iraq because our presence there is basically like extinguishing a fire with a bellows -- NOT because we like radical Islam and want to support it.
"This may surprise you, but military strategists KNEW North Africa had NOT attacked us at Pearl Harbor or declared war on the US. But they knew that Nazi’s were using North Africa as a launching site."
-- If you're going to use history to bolster your argument, be complete. Comparing the WWII fight in North Africa to our occupation of Iraq is like comparing apples to giraffes. You are suggesting there is no connection between North Africa and Pearl Harbor, but there is more connection there than there ever was between Iraq and Osama bin Laden. We declared war on Japan immediately following Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Germany and Italy then responded by declaring war on US on December 11, 1941. We then joined Allied forces who had been battling the Nazis in North Africa for a year and a half before we even GOT there. It's not like our intelligence discovered that the Nazis were using North Africa as a launching site and we decided to invade.
"This enemy cannot be reasoned with or appeased, period."
-- Agreed. Religious zealots are generally like this. That is -- I assume when you say "this enemy", you are talking about the religious zealots making up the group responsible for 9/11 (which makes up an extremely small percentage of the Muslim population), and the Muslim population as a whole.
"They think the Left is usefully idiotic..."
-- That's possible. But I believe a valid argument can be made for them finding the Right to be even MORE idiotic when it comes to handling matters in Iraq, knowledge of Muslim culture, the hunt for Osama bin Laden, etc.
"...but appreciate your support for opening (and abandoning) more arenas in which they can train and indoctrinate easily manipulated Muslim youth."
-- Which arenas are you talking about? If you are talking about Iraq, the Left didn't create the destabilization and confusion there now providing a fertile recruiting ground for Al Qaeda, our leaders (who are right-wingers) did.
"It’s sad to see the elimination of history courses is taking such a toll on the liberal “argumentâ€â€¦â€¦"
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:57 pm-- No, we use history quite regularly to back up our arguments. Vietnam has shown us getting involved in others' civil wars is a no-win situation. WWII has shown us that PTSD affects many of our soldiers with long-lasting effects and ought to be taken seriously. McCarthyism taught us that the fear of an enemy can be more detrimental to our society than the enemy itself. If you check through the TP threads, you will find many examples of historical reference. And our liberal arguments are just fine, thank you.
The US considered waterboarding torture, when the vietcong used it on US troops. Too funny, that you believe the word of a terrorist, who was tortured, over the mountains of evidence supplied by the US government. Still I guess logic was never your strong suit.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmHellllooooo. Mighty. Why won’t you discuss the military record of Bush?
Comment by hellinabucket — October 2, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
I will remind unmighty aphid when she shows again.
You guys Remind michael of my posts here once his short term memory kicks in again and he shows his lying face once again.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:02 pmIt will shut him up again.
wow my last post was awfull grammar, sorry =P
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm#223
Did al-Qaeda not grow and plan its attack under the administration that did nothing to stop it? Just letting it be or trying to appease it.
Yet they got bolder and 911 happens. So do we go back to reactionary or to we preemptive whenever possible to save American lives and interests.
And yes, I said interest that we all use and live with everyday. Including the big sin, OIL.
Even though this group had declared war on the United States and has attacked US ships, embassies and citizens around the world, the previous administration did limited, if at all, to stop future attacks.
As long as it was happening over there and the economy is doing well lets not affect our poll ratings.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:06 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 2, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You might want to try complete sentences, otherwise normal people will think you are crazy. Oh never mind.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 2, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
I figured it would only be a short time before I heard the "It's all Clinton's fault" song and dance.
Clinton failed to eradicate Al Qaeda. So has Dubya, though both presidents have at least tried. But Clinton's efforts didn't lay waste to other countries, cost us respect and stature with the rest of the world, or get nearly as many innocent people killed as Dubya's policies have (not to mention over 3,800 American soldiers and counting). Furthermore, Al Qaeda is bigger and more spread out now than it ever was.
You would think that if Dubya's efforts to battle Al Qaeda are so much better than Clinton's were, he would have better results to show for it, wouldn't he?
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by Wayne — October 2, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Thanks. I've been enjoying your posts with Michael. I did notice how he jumped ship (pun intended).
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by RemoveBush — October 2, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Ah yes -- I keep forgetting that when it comes to counting military dead or civilian dead in Iraq, numbers can't be believed.
I wonder how the U.S. government categorizes soldiers who die after they stagger (or are carried) into a helicopter? If they can't send them home alive or in a flag-draped box, what do they do with them? And for statistical purposes, are they just treated like they never existed?
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:28 pmWow - the right wing is dissing US soldiers. Maybe the soldiers should all refuse to re-enlist since their services are not appreciated.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:36 pmMorgan just wants to get in on the exposure Rush is getting, she's a media whore, nothing more. But her words are poison to our enlisted soldiers, which proves that Bush's enablers, like Morgan and Rush, really don't care about them.
It does not occur to the likes of Limbaugh and Morgan that some of those currently serving in Iraq within earshot of such remarks may one day come home to roost in their neighbourhoods, or perhaps pay them a visit at work...or on a golf course. What then of a chance encounter between someone so fractured and a myopic, discourteous zealot who never fought? One can be most assured that in such an instance, the word “phony†would not be the last word on their lips.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:40 pmHow quickly right-wing pundits and others forget the principles of the Nuremberg war crimes trials. Here soldiers followed their leader, Hitler, even though perhaps they disagreed with Hitler or just went along without thinking of the results or consequences. My country right or wrong syndrome.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmThese American soldiers have every right to question and even disobey the president or commanders if consciously they feel that their superiors are wrong and are asking them to do something they feel is a crime, improper, outrage, reprehensible, or any other description of wrongful command. they can also refuse if the act commanded is a violation of the Constitution of the United States. Yes there can be consequences to face from authority and they must be willing to accept these consequences but to act under conscience is more of a requirement then the command and they have every right to speak out regardless what ignorant talk show hosts, commanders, or politicians say or do. Patric Henry, a founding farher said it right, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death."
How far has America fallen!
Comment by libertylover3 — October 2, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Well said
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmWith the exeption of Michael most Americans Repub or Dem I am sure agree with you. That is why we must abandon the trappings of these parties who both prosper at our peril. Fight the beast that is the federal gov and preserve liberty.
Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Oh goodness, another green party freak... You people are the reason Bush was in office for the last 7 years, and if you still believe both parties are the same - you're certifiable!
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:56 pmIt also fits with the mistaken assumption that libertarians are anarchists.Comment by Vendetta — October 2, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. The assumption is that you believe we don't know how full of crap most libertarians are. A bunch of little whiny girls that don't believe you should have to live in a civil society. GROW UP!
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmWhile I agree with some of your post, this seems like a comment from someone who has never served in combat. I only point this out because it is not only incorrect, it is grossly simplifying the situation the troops are in. A portion of the oath:
You are correct that if the commanders give an "unlawful" order, then they have a right and duty to disobey; however, "secure this building" or "go on this QRF mission to extract troops that are injured in battle" or a number of other orders are NOT illegal. Not to mention your duty to your fellow Marines and Soldiers to watch their backs as they do yours. The situation that put them there may not be and we may not agree, but it is not up to the Cpls and Sgts of the military to decide when to go to war and when not to.
If they are given an order to execute someone, or torture someone, then yes, you are correct, they are criminals if they obey. Although there can always be gray lines (think of "Saving Private Ryan" when they capture the German Machine gunner). Although I find someone who refused to fight on moral grounds noble, I also applaud those that fight HONORABLY even though they don't agree with why we are involved in this war.
It is the responsibility of all of us to use our military responsibly, and, in the event that our leaders are abusing power, hold them accountable. It is abhorrent to put the ALL the responsibility on the people who have selflessly sacrificed and put themselves in harms way when their country asked. They are doing their part, it is up to the rest of the country to make sure what the country asks of them is NOBLE AND JUST!
This went much longer than I anticipated.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:58 pmComment by libertylover3 — October 2, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
After re-reading your post with a cooler head, I see that I may have been overly harsh. I see that you were not necessarily referring to actions on the battlefield.
Sorry for the quick reaction!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by libertylover3 — October 2, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
well said.
very well said
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmRush forgets so quickly that he avoided Viet Nam because a pilonidal cyst, Definition for those who dont have a medical dictionary:
A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of the tail bone (coccyx) that can become infected and filled with pus. Once infected, the technical term is pilonidal abscess. Pilonidal abscesses look like a large pimple at the bottom of the tail bone, just above the crack of the buttocks. It is more common in men than in women. It usually happens in young people up into the fourth decade of life.
Rush probably spent too much time sitting on his b%$t instead of exercising his mind to understand the real issues of life instead of the delusional arena.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmPlease someone tell me that there isn't anyone out there that can possibly take these people seriously.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmSadly, it is about 1 out of 4 (actually a little more).
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:14 pmYou people just can't stand the power of Rush over the airwaves. Ain't it grand!
And how many SUCCESSFUL Left wing radio hosts are out there? I'll even give you a hint as to why the Left are NOT successful.......
Because America does not want to hear 'I hate America' day after day! And for a bonus, I'll throw in the fact that the Left stands against everything that made this country great!
You guys have drifted so far left, your beliefs make JFK look like an extreme right-winger.
(Bring on the personal attacks. That's all you got!)
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:33 pm(Bring on the personal attacks. That’s all you got!)
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 2, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Thats funny, because your whole post is just an ad hominem attack with no substance.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmRing, ring.
"Hi Melanie. It's Jon Soltz callilng. Want to repeat your comments about phony soldiers to my face?"
"Oh, you don't talk to me? You say you'd rather just go on FOX and spew your ugly comments."
What a class act.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:52 pmMelanie Morgan?
So what, who or what is a Melanie Morgan? They just roll these names out like they are experts.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmThats funny, because your whole post is just an ad hominem attack with no substance.
Comment by Wayne
You hate hearing the truth, huh?
Maybe you can tell us why Liberals have not been successful on talk radio?
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmSo what, who or what is a Melanie Morgan? They just roll these names out like they are experts.
Comment by nofltwlt
Kind of like what the Left does with "phoney soldiers"!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmRead # 71? Oh wait! Did you attend public schools? If so, maybe you should have someone read it to you.
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
I’m questioning public school education in general.
Comment by Michael
Given your lack of writing skills and inability to punctuate, most of us here question whether you had any education at all, Michael.
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmAnd to remind you for the umpteenth time, my public high school produced a Nobel Prize laureate, a former Secretary of State, a Newbery medalist, at least one Pulitzer Prize winner, etc. Pepperdine, the university in Malibu you claim to have attended, hasn't even produced one Nobel Prize winner. Every time you make another snip at public education, you only prove how paltry your store of arguments are.
Oopys--should have written "how paltry your store of arguments IS."
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:03 pm"They exposed our secret prisons!"
That indictment is certainly going to get sympathy...
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmDaveCaveman,
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:32 pmApology accepted. Everything I stated is true and it is important to obey if the command is lawful. I must say this with absolute conviction that every soldier must have a good understand of the reason they fight and die, the causes they fight and die for and the character of the ones who order them to fight and die. It might seem a difficult task but only if one doesn't see and recognize the requirements of being a citizen of the greatest country in the history of mankind. Unfortunately too many citizens avoid these responsibilities to sit in front of the TV to get the news or believe politicians who speak with forked tongue, or fail to vote or live as if they have no responsibility to their country except believing everything they hear.
Yes. I served in Viet Nam and trained in the battalion under Col Hal Moore, 1st Air Cavalry Division Airmobile. I missed the Ia Drang Battle by two weeks. I had many of my fellow soldiers die because another Colonel made poor judgments and walked another battalion into an ambush by a "dumb" enemy. I researched the causes and events that led America into the quagmire of Viet Nam and the facts would cause any thinking American to question the most politicians who send young or old Americans into battle without absolute honest and explainable, to every American the reasons why. Politicians had no clue as to what Ho Chi Minh wanted for Viet Nam. It wasn't "defense against the domino effect" as some politicians would have Americans believe. According to author of the Book 'Viet Nam, Americas Albatross' Archimedes Paddi, head of the Asian station of the OSS during WW II, all Ho wanted was a free Vietnam and the French out. The allies betrayed the Viet Minh, who did a great deal of the allies "dirty work" during the war in Asia, by giving back weapons to the Japanese, whom they had helped defeat, to control the Viet Minh, when the Viet Minh began to attack French soldiers and establishments in Viet Nam. The French were run out and the country was divided under very dishonest, disreputable and questionable methods. (Information from one of my graduate professors who was teaching in Viet Nam at the time of division.) BTW, Ho went to Harvard, pled with President Wilson to get the French out of Viet Nam and was ignored. He then went to his countries enemy, China and Russia because these countries were opposed to American interests. Why not, if America refused, go to some one who will. Also for your interest Ho was not a communist rather he was a socialist, There is a difference but Americans have been brainwashed into thinking otherwise. America has dealt for years with socialist countries as Denmark, Sweden, Finland, France, so what was the problem. Americans fell for the scam of the domino effect, horror of communism and became sucked into a war that could not be won due to diametrically opposed cultural differences.
Why did not American and Foreign corporations invest in Viet Nam as they do now. Perhaps it might have avoided 50,000 American deaths? Sure it is hindsight but too often American foreign policy is built on "what can they do for America" rather than how can we be helpful to make their economy flourish with all segments of that society reap the benefits rather then the upper rich.
As for this conflict I can also write a long dissertation about the failure of American politicians and leaders to recognize the nuances of influence that caused the events facing America in the Middle East. Much of it is due to politicians unwillingness to really know what were and are the underlying causes of unrest, poverty, anger, frustration and other basis for attacks against America.
They don't even read the bills they pass in congress and with their pockets filled with corporations money why would they want real change in how America deals with other countries.
I could end the Middle east conflict in two months, !st; call all leaders of all countries in the middle east into a conference. 2nd; Have an American with complete authority stand and tell them that within three months America will withdraw all troops and American support if they do not completely control all terrorists, develop a cooperative, honest and peaceful relationship diplomatically and any other way with each other country including Israel America will also stop buying any oil from the Middle East. If the oil companies complain, America will tell them they do not control America and it is controlled by the people. If they don't like it let them become dinosaurs as the stage coach. Require the auto companies to increase the vehicles gas mileage as high as possible or they can't sell cars or trucks in America. 3; Take all the billions spent in Iraq and place solar power on every home and business having at least 300 days of sunlight. Use every form of alternative power available.
You might laugh and say I'm a joke but I've placed 8.4 Kw hours of solar on my roof and I reduced my electrical consumption from $500.00+ per month to less than $200.00 and less in the winter when I don't have to use water for my small orchard and landscaping.
All this takes is politicians who believe that people are the power in America, not corporations, oil companies or any other entity or leader who doesn't have the American soldier or civilian as the number ONE reason they exist. As Ben Franklin, a founding father said, " A revolution now and then is good for a country." It's time America had one!!
Comment by Michael — October 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Just so you know, not all liberals think alike. In fact, that is one characteristic that differentiates from conservatives. But I digress. For the record, and I'm sure others here feel the same way, I do not downplay, ignore or excuse the guilt of those who have wronged us (as a nation), for I believe that many of them are acting out of revenge, and I do not condone revenge acts. That their desire for revenge is real is what many of you conservatives, including your "hero" Ann Coulter, cannot accept. Many of you think our beef with Iran goes back to 1979, but you forget that we overthrew their democratically-elected government decades before. And theirs wasn't the first, nor the last, democratically-elected government which we have overthrown and replaced with dictators simpathetic to our nation's businesses. Many of you on the right, who simply adore free market capitalism, think that since this benefitted our country's businesses, it could only be good. But you ignore the cost of your policies in human life and suffering. And for a party that prides itself on its embrace for the "Culture of Life", your party's policies are responsible for a lot of deaths on this planet.
I'm proud to be Liberal. All you can be proud of is that you are against everything I believe in.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 am.
I want to see Melonie's battle scars...
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 amand no, lipo doesn't count.
Where are people like this hatched? Is there a special farm somewhere that grows wingnuts and while they're growing they're brains are reprogrammed with IQ's less than a bag of rocks?
Someone should look into this...scary....
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 amWho else can the Republicans get to carry their water, but imbeciles like this one and Viagra boy?
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:11 amWhere are the rational voices from the left that should be throwing the TRULY PHONY SOLDIERS back in their faces? Yes, I mean employees and owners of the BLACKWATER and other "security" companies currently operating without any real oversight in the Middle East? These MERCENARIES are not only killing innocent civilians, they are sucking money out of your wallets. These toxic temp agencies are POACHING MERCENARIES from the ranks of our military, and I would be willing to be that these greedy treasonous phonies vote Republican and support George Bush's illegal occupation of the second largest oil reserve on the planet.
The entities who profit from this and those that stand to profit from this criminal occupation should be funding this--namely Big Oil and the defense industry, not taxpayers.
All about liars! there is interesting website called AntiLiar.com
Help people around the world to uncover the truth and find out the liar. Now Bush has a score 49. It's time for us to get together there lowering his score. Let the world know what he did!!
October 9th, 2007 at 2:40 am