BREAKING: Bush Vetoes Children’s Health Insurance
BREAKING: Bush Vetoes Children’s Health Insurance
President Bush’s veto of an SCHIP expansion was only the fourth veto of his presidency. AP reports that the White House “sought as little attention as possible, with the president wielding his veto behind closed doors without any fanfare or news coverage.” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said that they have not yet scheduled a date for an override vote, but it could be “next week” or “the week after.”
UPDATE: Families USA has released a “Bush v. kids” SCHIP ad. Take a look:
UPDATE II: The House has scheduled its SCHIP veto override vote for Oct. 17.
UPDATE III: Medical organizations are condemning Bush’s veto:
“Today’s veto of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) will have a serious negative impact on low-income children and their families across this nation.” [Jay Berkelhamer, President of the American Academy of Pediatrics]
”The number of uninsured kids has increased by nearly 1 million over the past year, and action must be taken to reverse this trend. The AMA strongly urges members of Congress from both political parties to stand on the side of America’s parents and children by voting to override the veto.” [Edward Langston, Chair of the American Medical Association’s board of trustees]
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He’s VERY compassionate.
If you make more than $800,000 a year…
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:12 amthey are so far removed from the real world, it’s scary.
BUT, he sure looks like a guy I’d have a beer with.
stupid americans.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:12 amI want my country back!
Caring for America’s chldren is not a GOP value. And you thought it was tough being a Republican in 2006 . . .
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:13 amThis is the bill I like to see the Congress ‘override’..
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:14 amWhen sick children’s needs are less important than a corporate war, America sorely needs to re-examine it’s priorities.
What have we become?
Where are we going?
We have just one way out of this, and the clock is ticking. We’ve gone from global leader to world wide joke, all in the name of freedom.
How many freedoms will you lose today? How many tax dollars will be wasted on an illegal invasion instead of needy children?
C’mon, America! We’re better than this.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 amIt’s time for Congress to stand up to this wannabe dictator. If they don’t do it for the health of children, what will they do it for?
I’m hopeful, but I’m not holding my breath.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 amWHAT BUSH????NOT ENOUGH MONEY LEFT TO KILL OUR TROOPS IF YOU SIGN SCHIP?!?!!?WHITE TRASH MOTHERF*CKER!!!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 amI WONDER IF HE DID THAT LITTLE SELF SERVING SHIT LAUGH HE DOES AFTER HE TOOK AWAY HEALTH CARE-REPEAT TOOK AWAY HEALTH CARE FOR A MILLION,REPEAT MILLION,REPEAT MOTHERF*CKIN MILION CHILDREN. THANK YOU ASSH*LE.
how is this breaking? we already knew he hated American kids.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 amMust be part of his No Child’s Behind Left program?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 am#11, its the no child left alive policy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 amIf there was any better way to alienate every single mother in America, I can’t think of it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:20 amThe sign of a true misanthrope is his disdain and hatred for fellow man. Anyone who hates children is even lower on the evolution scale than that.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 amSick kids are a drain on corporate profit margins. End of story.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 amSince spineless Bush and his group of GOP Psycho-Phants intend to keep this below the radar, I should think that the Dems would shout it from the rafters. Internet blogs should keep this fact alive in the minds of american voters.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:22 amBush’s New Campaign: ‘KIDS DON’T MATTER”.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:23 amIt’s clear that Bush’s version of “fatherhood” is “sink or swim” and, as evidenced by his two psycho-twins, they will sink before they learn to swim. Any real father would have the qualities and capability for compassion for those less fortunate; obviously, he was only a sperm donor for Laura.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:25 amIt will not surprise me that some pundits will defend this whether on television or in other media outlets,and on TP here.
But people should be ready to confront these heartless people.
We spend billions and billions of dollars daily on many very questionable governmental spending programs and wars,but issues of children’s health must not and should not be questioned.
Those who voted in the Congress to stop funding for children should be stopped from being called Congress members as a result.
When it comes to children’s welfare…partisan voting and politics should be put aside…
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 amYet this monster spends $500,000 per minute on Iraq and can’t find money for our children?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 amThis POS and those that spawned him are all about robbing this country.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 amThat’s how they rate their ’success’.
tarazan: This is going to be a real trick to spin by the reichwingnuts. The only ones willing to attempt it will be the ones who have nothing left to lose.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 amThis veto should bring ALL parents out in the streets!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 amBushco:
“Healthy children are bad for drug companies and the health care industry”
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 am#23, it should, but wont.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 amGood, the bill should be revised by our elected officials. Financial funding for the bill is too expensive because you have many families included in this bill that should not qualify for this program because they earn too much. You also have the children of illegal immigrants included in the bill. I thank our President for taking a stand against the opposition.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 amOne would think that Chimpy and his disciples in Congress would want to keep those po’ kids alive at least long enough to send them off to be cannon fodder.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 amdaryll, i think you’ve thanked him enough…. is that hair gel?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:30 amI predict that within the next year, Shrub is going to have some big presser to announce a new initiative with children all around and the backdrop prominently saying “Putting Children First”.
I’m going to hate to be right on this, but it certainly fits his M.O. Most likely, the “initiative” will be something good for children like providing exercise by returning them to the coal mines.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:31 amWhen sick children’s needs are less important than a corporate war, America sorely needs to re-examine it’s priorities.
What have we become?
Where are we going?
We have just one way out of this, and the clock is ticking. We’ve gone from global leader to world wide joke, all in the name of freedom.
How many freedoms will you lose today? How many tax dollars will be wasted on an illegal invasion instead of needy children?
C’mon, America! We’re better than this.
Comment by Zimzone — October 3, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Zimzone, are you watching the stock market? We our on the verge of a recession. President Bush is fiscally responsible for maintaining our economy. The President is not against the bill, he is against the expansion of the bill because of provisions listed in the bill that are completely insane.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:32 amWhat story will the MSM splash across the front page so they can conveniently “forget” to mention this development, or at least relegate it to the back page? A new development in the O.J. Simpson saga? Britney’s latest fiasco?
Any truth to the rumor that they are advertising for another runaway bride?
If all else fails, they can just cut and paste a couple of headlines from the supermarket tabloids.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:33 am“Suffering for the little children”, I guess, is OK with Daryll as long as Bush says so.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:34 amBush continues to work towards complete destruction of the GOP.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:35 amAre you so shallow to believe Bush would veto this because he doesn’t care about children?
Of course many of you don’t care about the truth. Your only agenda is to divide this country and destroy the people who don’t agree with you and especially destroy Bush. get over it and think about the country for a change. (I aim that observation towards the individuals that think it’s cute to post their foul language and participate in character assassination instead of responding to issues that need intellectual discussions and not immature babble!)
Obviously, there are some other issues at hand here. I’d like to know what’s in the rest of the bill. Also, is this bill going to further lead to a government take over of the health care system?
Even though you don’t like Bush, there has to be a serious reason why he vetoed it. There are probably a good many in congress who voted for this bill just because it would look bad to be voting against the “children’s health care” bill. Maybe they are the ones with no cajones?!?!?!?!?! That’s the way bills work. Politicians put something in a bill that can’t possibly be voted against while also filling the bill with garbage that normally wouldn’t survive.
All that aside, I don’t have ANY interest in the government running my health care, whether I can afford it or not! No health care is BETTER than government run health care!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:36 amDid you see that lamebrain Dana Perino yesterday saying to the effect of “why should people in my home state of Wyoming have to pay for the high cost of health insurance in other states”? Good question, Dana, considering Wyoming is one of the biggest leech states in the country. Why should our high East Coast taxes have to pay for your roads and bridges? Can’t you collect enough revenue in your own state to do that? Oh that’s right–this is all ONE country and we’re supposed to pull together for the common good.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:36 am“President Bush is fiscally responsible for maintaining our economy.”
Comment by Daryll
Ah ha, ah ha ha, a ha ha ha, ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:38 amI feel sorry to state this: most of us here are time wasters, including myself. All we do is scream, spit and “then”? Nothing happens. These guys enjoy ignoring us.
Whats happening is - The present age is when “all neocon” must become a kind of god anywhere. Enrich at all cost regardless of how dirty and ugly the scheme is. With the war going on….most of the nations treasury are been looted by a very small cabal who are in main control of just these line” Media, Health, Politics *I am talking real power welders like the snakes in AIPAC, not the flakes and phoney quack politicians like H’lary passing recommended bills by sponosors* Oil and Energy.
Its a waste of time just making these “LOW NOISES”….we need a voice. Join an anti-war group or something besides just this.
Take ACTION!
PS: Lets not Bash Edwards or Obama anymore. They are both playing the game evasively. They are not going to rule their town except with the support of the Jewish Lobby. They need to play the idiot for them if they are going to get any of their support. They also needs our support too.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:38 amWhere’s Tom Ridge when the GOP needs him most? Good ole Tom would be raising the “terror alert” to Red and announcing either a major Al Quida opperortive was killed ( for the third time) or there’s a lot of “chatter” and to get the duct tape ready,,
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 amBush To Children: DROP DEAD
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 amZimzone, are you watching the stock market? We our on the verge of a recession. President Bush is fiscally responsible for maintaining our economy. The President is not against the bill, he is against the expansion of the bill because of provisions listed in the bill that are completely insane.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:32 am
What? Huh? We’re constantly hearing from the “conservative” cheering section that the economy has never been stronger and that Bush’s tax cuts are responsible. Now you’re telling us that we’re near a recession! I’m really confused!
Which is it, Daryll?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:41 am“President Bush is fiscally responsible for maintaining our economy.â€
Comment by Daryll
Ah ha, ah ha ha, a ha ha ha, ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
Comment by Nevar — October 3, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Continue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:41 amAll that aside, I don’t have ANY interest in the government running my health care, whether I can afford it or not! No health care is BETTER than government run health care!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 3, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Sure it is. That would be why ever other industrial nation in the world provides national health care. Because it’s such a bad idea.
What a goofball.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 amContinue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
It’s bad for the economy of the drug companies and the health insurance companies. Otherwise, not so much, in spite of your firm declaration. It’s odd, isn’t it, that the rest of the developed world has “socialized medicine”? Why are you so afraid of it?
And what’s this I hear about a recession, Daryll!?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:43 amDana Purina = contaminated meat.
She’s from Wyoming? That explains a lot. Did Cheney dig her up?
Dana, tell us, how many lies can one tell before getting sick & fed up with it? 1,000? 1,000,000? 500,000 / minute?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:44 amWhen we gave a 60 BILLION dollar arms package to the Middle East (including 20 BILIION to Saudi) no one on the right batted an eye. But when we want to fund children’s health care, suddenly we have to watch our spending.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 amSick kids are a drain on corporate profit margins. End of story.
Comment by Zimzone — October 3, 2007 @ 10:21 am
It’s the healthy kids that hurt profits; where would Big Pharma be if we took a collective interest in making kids well??
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 amZimzone, are you watching the stock market? We our on the verge of a recession. President Bush is fiscally responsible for maintaining our economy. The President is not against the bill, he is against the expansion of the bill because of provisions listed in the bill that are completely insane.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:32 am
What? Huh? We’re constantly hearing from the “conservative†cheering section that the economy has never been stronger and that Bush’s tax cuts are responsible. Now you’re telling us that we’re near a recession! I’m really confused!
Which is it, Daryll?
Comment by gummitch — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
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Gummitch, this is one issue where I am in complete disagreement with other conservatives. The ADP Report, which was released this morning, indicates that the job market is stagnant. We must have more job growth to have leverage within the market, and ultimately, our economy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 amContinue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll
What you are telling is AN OPINION. Plus this opinion is based upon your prediction of what would happen to the economy if there is “socialized” medicine. Of course this would be building on the grand tradition of amazingly clairvoyant predictions.
This only proves my belief that the rightwing and corporations choose profits over people’s lives every time.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 amContinue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
It’s bad for the economy of the drug companies and the health insurance companies. Otherwise, not so much, in spite of your firm declaration. It’s odd, isn’t it, that the rest of the developed world has “socialized medicine� Why are you so afraid of it?
And what’s this I hear about a recession, Daryll!?
Comment by gummitch — October 3, 2007 @ 10:43 am
You must be referring to second and third world countries.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 amFirst of all - children can’t vote so they don’t count
Second - Daryl the tax to pay for this bill comes from cigarettes at SIXTY CENTS a pack. So how does that hurt “all” Americans ? Bush is taking care of the tobacco lobbyists.
Third - We ALL benefit from roads, police and fire service, EMT’s, schools, libraries EVEN THOSE WHO COULD AFFORD THEIR OWN.
That is what society is about banding together for the good of all.
Why are conservatives so mean spirited and selfish ?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 amSocialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
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Yeah, sure, just look at what it’s done to the Euro. BTW, were yopu upset when he gave 20 BILLION dollars in arms (funded by US taxpayers of course) to Saudi Arabia?
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 amLet’s fund S-CHIP like we are funding the Iraq occupation - patriotically, unquestioningly, and with borrowed money that our children will have to pay back. At least with S-CHIP the children who benefit will also pay.
\sarc off
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 am18% of GDP goes toward healthcare. More than double what other industrialized nations spend. It’s unsustainable, and universal health care coverage is inevitable.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 amRe: Comment #30
Darryl (or is it your other brother Darryl?) –
Looks like you’d better have a talk with the following Republican senators (I would argue that Lieberman qualifies, as he has been bought by the Repukes), and set them straight. They were all part of the 69-30 majority that passed the legislation that Chimpy just vetoed.
Alexander (R-TN)
Bond (R-MO)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Domenici (R-NM)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Warner (R-VA)
While you’re at it, you can send a note of thanks to the following senators who agree with you…
Allard (R-CO)
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:48 amBarrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
You must be referring to second and third world countries.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:47 am
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Like France, Great Britain, Australia…
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:48 amContinue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll
What you are telling is AN OPINION. Plus this opinion is based upon your prediction of what would happen to the economy if there is “socialized†medicine. Of course this would be building on the grand tradition of amazingly clairvoyant predictions.
This only proves my belief that the rightwing and corporations choose profits over people’s lives every time.
Comment by lefty — October 3, 2007 @ 10:46 am
If the bill was signed by the President, your taxes would have significantly increased. STOP COMPLAINING!!!!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:48 amYou must be referring to second and third world countries.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:47 am
You mean Western Europe? Wake up, Daryll.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 amI bet the coward mimicked some kid pleading for cancer treatment, “Please don’t let me die.” The he smirked and signed the bill and praised Jesus for the guidance.
This is Chimpf*cks perfect veto. Instead of spending money to save kids here he can spend the money to kill and maim Iraqi kids. Two evil acts with one stroke.
Speaking of strokes, can I ask Jesus to give Bush one for Christmas? Just a little one, where the drool leaks out of one side of his mouth. Please Jesus, I have never asked you for anything. Please grant me this tiny wish.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 am“Continue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.”
Comment by Daryll
You haven’t posted a truth since you got on here, Daryll.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 amAnd after all this time, I still can’t determine whethere you a very successful parody troll, or that you really are simply so stupid as to believe the fairy tales you post.
Congratulations!
Daryll, the “christian” shows his “christian compassion” by supporting Bush in sentencing poor children to death.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 amOctober 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 am
Continue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
Proof? Have we had fully socialized medicine in this country? Are countries with it suffering economically? I’m pretty damned sure that every citizen in a country with socialized medicine pays less money than Americans. Many pay LESS for a HIGHER STANDARD of care.
Regardless, sometimes it isn’t about the money. Socialized medicine will provide health care to every single American that needs it. Sometimes, the Market can be harmful. Such as with medical insurance, where the Market dictates that the Corporation should try its best not to pay for medical care. Total Capitalism doesn’t work. Total Socialism doesn’t work. A combination DOES work. Well, at that. Stop trying to privatize everything, and acknowledge that others do NOT want to socialize everything.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 amDaryll sez:
But…but…I thought the economy was supposed to be booming! 14,000 stock market and all that, right? Isn’t that what all those tax cuts to the wealthy were supposed to fix?
Better recheck your talking points list, Daryll.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 amIf the bill was signed by the President, your taxes would have significantly increased. STOP COMPLAINING!!!!
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:48 am
We don’t mind paying taxes when it goes to a useful, intelligent cause, Daryll. We mind paying taxes when it goes to prop up corporations and wage war.
We don’t mind, because investing in the health of our children is ultimately intelligent and life-affirming (you know, God?). A healthy workforce is an effective, productive workforce.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 amMaverickCoast-
My take on this is that Bush’s “serious reason” for vetoing the bill was so that he could try to at least appear to be fiscally responsible by pointing the finger at “those tax and spend Democrats”. It’s ALL politics and nothing to do with the children to Bush. If you haven’t noticed, the Reps have been outspoken in their attempts to not allow ANY Democrat sponsored Bill to pass NO MATTER WHAT. Hense your Dear Leaders “serious reason”. Cost? You’ve got to be kidding! This President and his lackies for six years in the House have done nothing but piss away more money than any time in history! If there were provisions that he didn’t like, he could try to work in a bi-partisan manner to achieve the passage of this bill. But that would take a touch of give and take which THIS President hasn’t and won’t ever do. All you Reps know how to do is take! There are so many reasons why your party is circling the crapper and STILL you hard righters can’t see that your clinging to a turd!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:52 amGreat job Bush! Way to show that by expanding the money coverage that people need to stop turning to government to solve all their problems.
It is funny, the help the poor gov’t, will increase taxes on cigs which are heavily used by the lower middle class and poor to pay for their children to live to smoke, too, in order to pay their own bills.
The “common good” is always expanding government. $50 billion! Which we know will increase 10 fold by the time all the “particulars” are worked out.
Where is it coming from…close other inept government programs? I think not. Government never closes programs that don’t work. They just expand them for the “common good”.
That is what is truly killing the middle class. Not rich corporations or BIG OIL. It is government. Social program gov’t.
Good job Bush. Now let’s reform the medical system away from government and then you will see the prices go down. The more government provides to healthcare or education, don’t you realize the prices go up. And then they throw more money at it and the prices go up. And the prices go up. And the services PROGRESSIVELY get worse.
Politicians just want to get their hands on the worker’s money…Give me a chance to get my hands on some of that Medicare Advantage money, and I’ll be there in a shot,” Rockefeller said.
So don’t think it is just a rich thing because it is not and I am far from rich but I get tired of seeing my two job paycheck dwindled down for programs that have been proven over and over not to work.
That is for both sides of the aisle.
The proverbial staplier that costs thousands of dollars. PLEASE!
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:52 amOn the one hand SCHIP should be passed and the GOP votes are needed to override the Bush veto. On the other hand, if the GOP members of the senate again back Bush we will have total domination by Democrats in 2008, which will lead to a much needed cleansing of Bush, Cheney, the GOP and the neocons.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 am#65 but it is both a dem and rep bill.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 amFirst of all - children can’t vote so they don’t count
Second - Daryl the tax to pay for this bill comes from cigarettes at SIXTY CENTS a pack. So how does that hurt “all†Americans ? Bush is taking care of the tobacco lobbyists.
Third - We ALL benefit from roads, police and fire service, EMT’s, schools, libraries EVEN THOSE WHO COULD AFFORD THEIR OWN.
That is what society is about banding together for the good of all.
Why are conservatives so mean spirited and selfish ?
Comment by texaslady — October 3, 2007 @ 10:47 am
That has to be the worse persuasive comment that I have ever heard. Your comment basically implies that you want America to become a communist state. Also, why should we tax tobacco. Why not increase your taxes.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 amWe don’t mind, because investing in the health of our children is ultimately intelligent and life-affirming (you know, God?). A healthy workforce is an effective, productive workforce.
Comment by gummitch — October 3, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Ultimately, it is not my responsibility to provide healthcare for single families, and parents who made the decision not to apply themselves for the greater good of humanity. It is a shame that we currently have too many families on our welfare system (mostly minorities).
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 amThat has to be the worse persuasive comment that I have ever heard. Your comment basically implies that you want America to become a communist state. Also, why should we tax tobacco. Why not increase your taxes.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Daryll, wake up! Look at the rest of the world: Australia, Western Europe, Canada. . . do they look like Communists to you? No, they have vibrant successful economies, and they all have universal health care.
We tax tobacco because people like you refuse to allow taxes to be raised on anything else! “sin taxes” are the only option left, because “conservatives” have shifted the tax burden on lower- and middle-class workers from corporations and the wealthy. We wouldn’t require taxing tobacco (nice of you to look out for the tobacco companies, Daryll) if we could get back to a progressive tax structure.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 amAnd while you are at it Jesus, please have Daryll stick his finger in a light socket and realign those crazy currents in his frontal lobe. Something has gone terribly wrong inside that head.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 amI’d like to hear that reason. Bush didn’t give a reason, did he?
Something only a person with health coverage could say.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 amJesus was essentially a communist, Daryll, if you care, seeing as you seem to have abandoned your pulpit , in favor of the soapbox….
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 amAt least CNN reported it, despite Bush attempting to keep publicity down to an absolute minimum. I wonder if Fox also reported it?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 am#51 Chris L
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 amSaudi Arabia did not get 20 billion dollars worth of weapons ( funded by US taxpayer) from USA.
They purchased them, a big difference !
Bush wants to let the children die here so they won’t have to die in Iraq/Iran. That’s compassionate conservatism for you!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 amUltimately, it is not my responsibility to provide healthcare for single families, and parents who made the decision not to apply themselves for the greater good of humanity. It is a shame that we currently have too many families on our welfare system (mostly minorities).
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Actually, Daryll, most of the families in the welfare system are white. What do you make of that?
And it is a shame that so many people are living in poverty, even those people who work two or three jobs to support their families. I agree, it’s a terrible shame. Who do you think is to blame? Maybe it’s the companies that have shipped the living-wage jobs overseas. Or the corporate fat cats who have driven our industrial base into the ground through sheer incompetence.
I’m sorry to hear that a “Christian” doesn’t feel any responsibility for the health of children. I think Jesus would have a lot to say to someone who claimed to follow him and turned his back on children.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 amDaryll, the “christian†shows his “christian compassion†by supporting Bush in sentencing poor children to death.
Comment by Wayne — October 3, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Wrong again my friend. Jesus said that, “In order to eat, you must work”. If you have to work two or three jobs to provide health care for your family, so be it. If you want to change your living standards, try to apply yourself to provide a better life for you and your family.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 amNo health care is BETTER than government run health care!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 3, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Funny, but I don’t hear anyone saying that about Medicare.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:04 am#69 and added sixty one cents increase. I did not say all Americans. I was saying lower middle class and poor who consume a higher per capita amount of cigs then any other group.
I never said, “no taxes!” I was referring to the ever increasing tax liablilty but on the American worker for countless social programs that have proven to fail year in and year out but government does not cut said programs they keep throwing more money at it by increase the wager earners tax liability.
If a company is making and selling a product that no one is buying do they continue to make and attempt to sell it?
And how I am being mean spirited and selfish? How about I contribute my free time to coaching sports to underpriveleged children. I also give to St. Judes.
Programs that have proven to work and help children. Unlike countless government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid that are failing more and more and the prescription medical programs. Or the education system in the entire country comparable to international competitors.
All government does is throw more money at the problem and most of it gets losts or used improperly. How about radical change? Try something new.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:04 amContinue to laugh. You know that I am telling the truth. Socialized medicine is bad for our economy.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:41 am
The prescription drug plan for seniors that is now part of Medicare was great for the pharmaceutical companies.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 amUltimately, it is not my responsibility to provide healthcare for single families, and parents who made the decision not to apply themselves for the greater good of humanity. It is a shame that we currently have too many families on our welfare system (mostly minorities).
Gotta love that compassionate conservatism
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 amI aim that observation towards the individuals that think it’s cute to post their foul language and participate in character assassination instead of responding to issues that need intellectual discussions and not immature babble!)
ASSHAT
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:07 amIt is a shame that we currently have too many families on our welfare system (mostly minorities).
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Can you provide some evidence that welfare families are mostly minorities? I was under the impression that there are more white families on welfare than non-whites.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 amJesus said that, “In order to eat, you must workâ€.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Of course, Jesus also fed the 5000, healed the poor blind beggar who couldn’t work to eat, and performed nearly all of his miracles in the form of restoring physical health. How communist/socialist of him!?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:11 amDaryll believes in the supply side Jesus.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:12 amJesus also said, “What you do to the least among you, you do to me”
No place in Daryll’s cult for such a twisted belief.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:13 amDaryll,
When Cheney and his family goes to the hospital…who pays? The same with all politicians in Washington D.C.
Of course this is not called social medicine by them and you, as long as they benefit.
All of them millionairs….
If our nation can pay for millionairs health bill, why can’t our nation pay for a poor child bill? !!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 amesus said that, “In order to eat, you must workâ€.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 11:03 am
You don’t think middle class Americans are working and contributing to society?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:16 am#80 Go to Canada and how about most military hospitals in this country and see how great they are compared to the private sector.
GEEZ, most military doctors refer people to the private sector for better care.
Go to Britain. Go to France. They are trying to overall their failing healthcare system. They have opened private care in some places in Britain even though it is against the law because the government cannot afford to take care of their own citizens.
The expansion of the SCHIP was a dems attempt to have people who can afford healthcare to cancel their medical healthcare to go under the government healthcare. Why?
If you can afford it, pay for it. Why should anyone else have to pay for something you can afford? Sounds like socialism to me. So much for a free America.
The SCHIP program already covers children who are at the poverty level. Why expand it to those who can afford it?
So government can slant it so that it makes conservatives look bad and get more socialist every day.
Can anyone say a HUGO CHAVEZ state? Once they have control over your mind with government schools and then your body with social healthcare…next will be your soul.
Why give government so much control? Why would anyone want to have that much control of a group of people? Why would anyone allow government to have such control? Why does everyone think that America is great because of its government? Isn’t it great because of its great independent spirit of the people? Why so much comformality?
WHY?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 amComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 3, 2007 @ 11:04 am
My goodness! You are full of accusations this morning without any kind of supporting evidence. I just need some clarification from you on a few things:
1) When you say “countless social programs that have proven to fail year in and year out but government does not cut said programs they keep throwing more money at it”, which programs are you talking about? And what kind of proof of failure are you talking about? Yes, it’s true that anti-poverty programs haven’t eradicated poverty, but that’s not a reason to kill the programs. Any more than you would do away with your police department because they have failed to wipe out crime completely.
2) When you say “countless government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid that are failing more and more and the prescription medical programs”, how do you see Medicare and Medicaid failing? Medicare is one of the more successful government programs in that they provide needed health care to a significant segment of our population efficiently and with low overhead (FAR lower than private for-profit providers). I tend to agree with the prescription programs (I assume you are talking about Medicare Part D). That’s a convoluted program intended to appease private companies more than help the elderly. It should be a single-payer system.
3) When you say, “All government does is throw more money at the problem and most of it gets losts or used improperly.”, do you have some specifics on this, or are you just repeating a tired right-wing talking point? This accusation of government waste has been repeated so often without any substance that people now believe it without question.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 am#86 Jesus also helped those who helped themselves and did not sloth.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 amWell, when I am driving I see just as many Lincoln Navigators and Hummers with cigarette smokers as those waiting for a bus. Where is the proof that lower income are the smokers ? Again, long term illness are smoking related. I love it when conservatives pretend to give a damn about anyone else. Give me a break.
And yes, cigarettes have NO USEFUL PURPOSE tax them.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:22 amIt looks like these right wing fundie pukes are channeling Marie Antionette.
It’s so easy and simple in their mind. If your kids get sick and you have money for insurance, take care of them. If you don’t have money, just pray to Jesus, if he wants your kid to get over the meningitis he will make it happen. If he doesn’t, you can watch your kid die in your arms.
F*ck em, let em eat cake.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:26 amCan anyone say a HUGO CHAVEZ state? Once they have control over (sic)
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 3, 2007 @ 11:18 am
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Wingnut alert. One payer healthcare does not give them control over your body, or your soul. Sorry you need to turn of Rush, and Fox for a few weeks clear your head. A one payer system, would allow for lower healthcare costs, and a healthier population.
Those of us who are insured pay thousands extra every to cover the catastrophic illness for uninsured. Read up a bit on it. It is amazing how sick you people are.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:29 amThe every expanding federal government.
Get upset about wiretapping but go ahead and have control over my body.
Let me text message and talk on the phone without anyone easing dropping but tell me when I can go to the doctor or cannot go or if I can get a second opinion or not.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 am#97 the one payer should be you and not the federal government. Read and learn more you left wing give up my liberty because I am too lazy to take care of myself.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 amIf this all sounds vaguely familiar, it should. As I wrote last month (”S-CHIP on Bush’s Shoulder”), the unfolding saga over children’s health insurance is a repeat of then-Governor George W. Bush’s performance in Texas. There, Bush first opposed the S-CHIP program and then tried to limit its scope with restrictive income eligibility requirements. Facing certain defeat over the popular program, Governor Bush ultimately caved to public pressure. Of course, he then took credit for it.
Of course, this time Bush isn’t running for anything.
For the details, see:
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 am“Bush Repeats His Texas War on Children’s Health Insurance.”
Fiscally responsible???? Really?? Bush signed the National Defense Act which gives the federal government the right to take money for to reduce the national deficit. And where, you say, is that money the feds are taking coming from, the answer CHILD SUPPORT payments.
Yes, that’s right, not only does Bush veto SCHIP he also is dunning custodial parents that receive over $500 a year in child support. So it is conceivable that a single parent raising a child in this country has now lost insurance AND has reduced support payments.
How is this fiscally responsible?? How has ANYTHING Bush done fiscally responsible?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 amThanks for that link Krazny….
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:32 amDaryll seems to have been raptured.
We could only hope!
And Jesus did all that without one single government edict forcing him to it, and without having to steal from the rich to give to the poor.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Ouch! You really took the hot air from the Liberals on that one!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 am#93 according to my Sunday school class Jesus also said to share his shoes, his garments with those who needed them.
National healthcare is fisically and politically sound for every country, prevent illness, people can continue to earn and pay taxes that keep a country sound. People bankrupted because of an illness end up on welfare, because conservatives can’t take them out and drown them. So Mr. & Mrs. conservative pay now or pay forever.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 amIt looks like campaign 08 should frame up like:
Republicans
vs
Our Children.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:35 amWe pay for government interference. We pay for those who are able to pay for insurance but choose not to.
Yeah, there are a those that truly cannot pay but there are more that rather have that Hummer and smoke that pack of cigs instead of taking care of themselves and getting healthcare.
The more doctors have to fill out paperwork to send to gov’t year in and year out take up about 30% of your bills if not more.
If you paid cash and the doctor took only cash for non-surgery procedures healthcare would be lower. Simple economics.
The more government forces itself in healthcare the higher the prices have gotten. In leaps and bounds.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:35 am“Go to Canada and how about most military hospitals in this country and see how great they are compared to the private sector. ”
Ask any Canadian if they’d swap their medical benefits to participate in the U.S. system. The answer is always: No.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:36 amAnd Jesus did all that without one single government edict forcing him to it, and without having to steal from the rich to give to the poor.
And so if the Republicans would just START acting like Jesus, all this shit would figure itself out.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:36 amBUSH VETOES SCHIP
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 amI just had to LAUGH at this……
Bush has BORROWED more money than ALL the previous presidents put together…….
“fiscally responsibleâ€, that just cracks me up……..
Comment by RemoveBush
You’re right. Bush and the Republicans have been fiscally irresponsible!
Unfortunately, it would be worse with Democrats in total control!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 amThe more doctors have to fill out paperwork to send to gov’t year in and year out take up about 30% of your bills if not more.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 amCitation on this bs statistic, please.
#107 Just another B.S. slant by the left…you should be free to choose and not have government tell me where I should have to go…
HMO….GREAT?!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 am“And Jesus did all that without one single government edict forcing him to it, and without having to steal from the rich to give to the poor.”
If not for a government edict, Jesus might have been born in a seaside condo, with a silver spoon in his mouth.
His daddy was on his way back home to be registered for tax purposes.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 amMaverickCoast sez:
Prove it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 amDoes anyone really give a rat’s ass about what some mythological creature did or didn’t say? How does the Bearded Wonder’s supposed opinion have anything to do with the subject?
Bush chooses to kill Iraqi kids and also chooses to kill our kids. Is that the right thing to do or not? Let’s leave unicorns and Jesus out of the argument.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 am#114 this is from 2005 but a recent article had it higher
http://sfgate.com/ cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/ c/ a/ 2005/ 11/ 11/ BUGM8FM8I11.DTL
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 am#118 there is no killing of children chosen by anyone but those that believe gov’t is the answer…is gov’t your Bearded WONDER!?
Socialism at its worse!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 amDoctors already spend 20 hrs a week in paperwork…how much more time away from the patient?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:42 amThe sad little president has to hide behind close doors to veto legislation that benefits poor children.
What a pathetic, coward.
The GOP will get their very public fanfare in 2008.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 amOnce again, libs scream “victim” ….
Dems tried to expand insurance targeted for poor children to cover adults and children of families making $80,000 per year, and Bush vetoed that expansion. Reps simply want to insure all needy children first.
Hill’reh’s most recent approach to health care is the best place to start - mandating insurance for everyone, and subsidizing those who can’t afford it through government / business assistance. Within that system, the government can offer their own insurance policies (as long as money taken in is kept away from the general budget) in competition with private insurance companies - Dems win if/when all Americans choose the government’s policy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:44 amAnother item in a long litany of actions that indicate how shameful and uncaring the citizens of the United States have become. How do we explaing to our children the murder of 10’s of thousands of Iraqi’s and the neglect of 10’s of thousands of our own children?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:45 amhere is more sites to check with more government paperwork overhead
http://home.austin.rr.com/ austintxmd/ Pages/ overhead.html
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:46 am#124 site where Reps put everything on American Express Card.
what about the lefts rich cronies? Soros and most of Hollywood….
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:47 amUnfortunately, it would be worse with Democrats in total control!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 3, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Yeah those Clinton years of balanced budgets were just much worst. Yeah right….. That’s why you Cons hated him so much
**Psst…. did someone lace this idiot’s koolaide with LSD?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 amRe: Comment by texaslady — October 3, 2007 @ 10:47 am
That has to be the worse persuasive comment that I have ever heard. Your comment basically implies that you want America to become a communist state. Also, why should we tax tobacco. Why not increase your taxes.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Actually, texaslady’s argument is one of the best on this thread. conservatives love to make logic, illogical (your quip about a ‘communist state’). Why should we tax tobacco? Why not, are you a smoker?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 amWhy does the Presi666dent hate poor children?
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 am#126 proof that they are just too lazy to take care of themselves are really on gov’t to hold their hand to cross the street. Just keep enabling people till they are too fat to care and will vote for anyone that will give it to them for “FREE”
What happened to working hard and doing it yourself and then when those things don’t work go to your local community for help?
And lastly, you ask the gov’t for assistance. Not the other way around.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 amNo child in this country is turned away from health care.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Liar.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 amCultist: “And Jesus did all that without one single government edict forcing him to it, and without having to steal from the rich to give to the poor.”
Wow. Using Jesus to justify NOT giving aid to people in need. That’s a good one. Here’s some more of Jesus:
For when I was hungry, you gave me food; when thirsty, you gave me drink; when I was a stranger, you took me into your home, when naked you clothed me; when I was ill you came to my help, when in prison you visited me. Â Â Â Â Â (Matthew 25: 35-37)
And how about Jesus’ tacit agreement with the idea of progressive taxation:
“For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required.†— Luke 12:48
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:52 amYou’re right. Bush and the Republicans have been fiscally irresponsible!
Unfortunately, it would be worse with Democrats in total control!
Comment by MaverickCoast — October 3, 2007 @ 11:37 am
How do you figure that? The Democrats HAVE been in total control in the past, and their spending never came anywhere NEAR what the Republicans are doing with the national budget now.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:53 amPatriot Acting -
Read 113
Have you heard what the Democrat candidates want to give away if they are elected? It would make the GOP’s spending spree look like nothing! And I’m still waiting for a Democrat to take responsibility for anything they do wrong.
Example: Trent Lott had to step down as Rep. Senate leader for a comment he DIDN’T even make. The Democrats thought that his comment had a meaning behind it that was offensive! (What the h*ll?) Durbin insults the troops DIRECTLY witjh a comment he makes but DOESN’T step down. Without a question, if you’re familiar with these two episodes, Durbin’s comment was far more damning than that of Lott’s. Matter of fact, Lott shouldn’t have had to step down! What about William Jefferson who’s freezer was filled with money??? He’s still serving. DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE ANY HONOR OR DIGNITY, LET ALONE TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY DO.
I say it’s time to regain control of this government. Spending is out of control and so are the politicians. The right has been fiscally bankrupt and the Left have had a lack of character and respect for others INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT!
Solution: Kick out any politician that has made a career of it and stop the character assassination and destructive politics being perpetrated by MoveOn and Media Matters!
You have to admit, the Democrats have taken politics to a new low every day….and it’s because of MoveOn and Media Matters! It’s also time to revisit the STUPID McCain/Feingold campaign bill.
That was a mistake!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 amRet. Col. Jack Ripper,
Quotes from Christ are lost on the conserv666ative Christ666ians. They just use him as political fodder.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 am#131 SCHIP program as it was orginally helped poor children. The proposed bill wants to expand to those who already have healthcare because the government wants them to drop their healthcare and become more dependent on gov’t. And once someone becomes dependent on someone on something they become enabled. What happens ten years from now? Expand it further. Which weakens healthcare…look at Canada and Europe.
Check out the movie “Dead Meat”
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 amCons hate Clinton, because he was successful.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 amChoices have consequences and the deciderer is responsible for the consequences. If I choose to drive drunk and kill some family, I am responsible for their deaths, que no?
Bush chooses war in Iraq, Iraqi kids die. Their blood is on his soft little hands.
Bush vetos S-CHIP legislation. There will be some kids who die as a direct consequence. Their blood is on his hands, but not his conscience.
You Bush defenders will cover the little coward’s actions regardless of the consequences and it astounds me. How is it ok to spend a trilion dollars killing Muslims and making the world more dangerous, all for a mad man’s ego, but not ok to spend money on insurance for kids?
F*cking wierd logic.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 amLittlefoot sez:
Recognize these words, Littlefoot?
(emphasis mine):
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 amWrong again my friend. Jesus said that, “In order to eat, you must workâ€.
Comment by Daryll — October 3, 2007 @ 11:03
1. I am not your friend. I am not friends with stonehearted hypocrites.
2. How dare you quote Jesus to defend your stone hearted hypocrisy. You are one of the lowest scumbags it has been my displeasure to see post here.
It is a wonder you can sleep at night.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:57 amMaverickCoast,
Hey retard, spending has been out of control for six years while the republic666ans have controlled every branch of government. F’n putz!
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:58 amLittlefoot sez:
Keep shouting the lie all you like…but it’s not any closer to truth now than when you started.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:58 amNope. Entirely truthful and correct.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Prove it with links to your sources, credible links.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:59 amBigfoot, what foreign enemies wanted to kill us in Iraq? I thought it was BinLaden In Afghanistan that was after us? Or have you had just enough cool aid to think differently about that and about caring for children ………. yes, let them eat lead paint right if they dont know any better ….. your quite a guy.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by MaverickCoast — October 3, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Bush was such a lovely guy during the 2000 campaign. My favorite, is when his operatives in South Carolina, spread the rumor, that John McCain had an illegitimate half-black child. How about the Swift Boat Vets ads against Kerry? You reference a number of left leaning organizations, but never address the plank in your own eye.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 pm“I know of know law stopping you.”
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 pmToo F’n funny!
so what is required of those given all these “entitlements”
Jesus did not say government shall force upon thee…
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:10 pmRemoveBush,
Don’t argue with retards, it only annoys the retards and wastes your time
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:10 pm#119 You effing idiot.
That article shows how much time doctors spend on INSURANCE Company paperwork, not government related squat.
You are one dishonest MOFO, but what else should we expect from a Bushit water carrier.l
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:10 pmNo child in this country is turned away from health care. In New Mexico, the state estimates thousands of children who are eligible for Medicaid are not in the program simply because the parents havn’t bothered to sign them up, and if a child has a health crisis, and needs treatement, they are treated by doctors and hospitals under the idea of “presumed eligibilityâ€, which means they get care first while applying for Medicaid, or other funding is located.
The idea that children are denied health care in the United States is patently false. It’s a bogus issue used by the left to demonize anyone who opposes it, and appeal to the heartstrings of the uneducated.
And from the outrage expressed here, it appears the more uneducated, the louder the screaming.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Strawman argument alert! Try to focus here, Bigfoot. Children who qualify for Medicaid aren’t the issue. They are covered and will stay covered. I agree that parents of eligible children should sign them up, and it’s a bureaucratic problem when they don’t, but that’s not the topic here.
The issue here is that slice of children from families who are too well-off to qualify for Medicaid, but not well-off enough to afford private insurance. These are children of workers in low-paying jobs with employers who don’t provide health care benefits for their families. It can cost upwards of $1,000 a month to provide health insurance for a family of four if one has to pay for it completely out of pocket, and many families can’t afford to pay this PLUS rent, food, and other necessities.
It’s not that children are being “denied” health care. Insurance companies are usually glad to have them as long as the premiums are paid (unless they have some kind of pre-existing condition that might cost the insurance company a lot of money, of course). Children who have a life-threatening emergency aren’t “denied” health care, either, as they will be treated in an emergency room whether they can pay for it or not. Then when the bill comes, the family just goes bankrupt when they cannot pay.
Making sure that all children have access to health care, including those whose families can’t afford it, just makes good sense. Healthy children grow into healthy productive adults. Unhealthy children grow into sickly disabled adults who drain the social system more than contribute to it. Even taking the emotion out of the equation leaves the logical premise that denying children access to health care is a short-sighted solution that will create a long-term problem.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:12 pmRUCerious,
See #157
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:13 pmCan’t we all take a moment and e-mail our representatives to let them know we WANT this Bill and that we will remember how they voted. Those of you against it do the same, but you had better hope you never need the help you want to deny others. Life can go up or down and not everyone rides a silver spoon to the end.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:15 pmI really wish we could edit our posts…â€I know of know law stopping you†is of course supposed to read: “I know of no law stopping you.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
I’m with you. It’s frustrating when I post something, see a typo, and can’t correct it. I can make a new post with a correction, but by that time, it’s several posts down the page from the original.
TP — put edit capability on the wish list? Pretty please?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:16 pmNope. Entirely truthful and correct.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Still waiting for your links to proof of your statement.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmEither back it up or retract.
Why do my tax dollars go to fund Bush’s War? Bush went into Iraq for his personal vendetta, not to make my country safer. Trillions will be spent for that mad man’s brain fart.
I probably pay more in taxes than you make in a year, BigO retread. I don’t regret one penny going to help my fellow citizens, or to build highways and bridges, or to research stem cells, or to go to the moon.
I really regret pissing away a fortune because some coke freak thought Jesus told him to kill Muslims.
And the money should be the least of our concerns. We are losing lives of good people for Bush’s egotistical War. But please, keep covering for the pitiful coward. You Bush defenders are exposing yourselves and the Repugnicunt party for who you truly are and the what you stand for. You are a Democrats dream come true.
Thank you for your continued support.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:19 pmGod forgive me, but I hate these people so much!!!!
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 pmBesides, it seems the Chicoms are all for that.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 3, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Something else you Neocons are responsible for. No real inspections of the imports. No oversight. Just let China import poisons with no restrictions.
Thank Bush for that, along with the export of jobs.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 pm“I really wish we could edit our posts…”Comment by O. Bigfoot
I wish, just for fun, I could edit your posts.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:22 pm#161, yeah, rocks, I know, I know, but the BS is so damn deep…
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmVeto! Woo Hoo! Well now mommy and daddy will have to forego that bottle of gin every other day and use the money to provide health care for their kids!
Comment by Michael — October 3, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Wow! That was brilliant!
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 pm#154 That is total propanda bogus left winger junk.
Where in the Bill of Rights does it say that healthcare s