Tom ‘Bomb Mecca’ Tancredo Refuses To Vote For House Resolution Celebrating Ramadan
Tom ‘Bomb Mecca’ Tancredo Refuses To Vote For House Resolution Celebrating Ramadan
Yesterday, the House of Representatives passed a resolution “recognizing the commencement of Ramadan” with 376 votes. The resolution sought to “demonstrate solidarity with and support for members of the community of Islam in the United States” during this Muslim month of fasting.
But some lawmakers couldn’t muster the courage to vote for the uncontroversial legislation. Forty-one Republicans and one Democrat chose to vote “present,” including Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO).
After the vote, Tancredo issued a press release decrying the Ramadan resolution:
“This resolution is an example of the degree to which political correctness has captured the political and media elite in this country. I am not opposed to commending any religion for their faith. The problem is that any attempt to do so for Jews or Christians is immediately condemned as ‘breaching’ the non-existent line between Church and State by the same elite,” Tancredo says in his statement.
Tancredo voted “present” and not “no” because “a no vote could be construed as not commending religion in general, which Tom is for,” said Tancredo spokesman T.Q. Houlton. Instead, Tancredo seems to only selectively hate religion. He had no problem voting for a House resolution celebrating Christmas.
In 2005, Tancredo suggested that the United States consider bombing Mecca as a “deterrent” against terrorist strikes on the U.S. homeland. He received intense criticism from conservatives for these remarks.
Also voting “present”? Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA), who earlier this year came under fire after expressing his fear that “we will have many more Muslims in the United States.”
The lessons Tancredo and Goode appear to have learned is that they need to do a better job masking their anti-Muslim bias.
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Tancredo’s a-skeered of the Muslim cooties. :P
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm“present� Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA),
lol
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmdebatable…
“Tom ‘Bomb Mecca’ Tancredo Refuses To Vote For House Resolution Celebrating Ramadan”
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pm- - In other shocking headlines, “Bill Maher Promotes Marijuana Decriminalization.”
LOL, Zooey. George wont be very happy though that he wants to bomb his Saudi friends of oil.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmMaybe he thought voting “present” would mean giving a gift to a Muslim boy or girl during their holiday.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmNow who was Hannity calling racist again dear trolls?
*walls creaking*
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:12 pmJust another day in the mind of a republican. Do Tancredo and Goode know they may have loyal Americans in their respective states who are Muslims?
I thought congresscritters were supposed to respect and embrace all of their citizens. Guess not…
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 pmMaybe he thought voting “present†would mean giving a gift to a Muslim boy or girl during their holiday.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007
(You’re squeezing to hard…)
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmSo the bible thumpers don’t respect other’s highest holy days. What a surprise.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmI think Toms trying to restart the KKK caucus.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmReal courage of your convictions Tankweirdo.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:16 pm“This resolution is an example of the degree to which political correctness has captured the political and media elite in this country [Yet the politically incorrect moveon was condemned?] I am not opposed to commending any religion for their faith [Right…].
The problem is that any attempt to do so for Jews or Christians is immediately condemned as ‘breaching’ [Hello the Calvinist Bible held by the Pilgrims WAS the breeches, Geneva, version]the non-existent line between Church and State by the same elite,†Tancredo says in his statement. -TT
That existent line is spelled out clearly by a Christian, John Calvin.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 pmBigoted bastard.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 pmThe house vote celebrating Christmas that you guys linked to had 22 Nays, as opposed to this vote having 0 nays. So perhaps Tommy boy has a point with his statement:
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe problem is that any attempt to do so for Jews or Christians is immediately condemned as ‘breaching’ the non-existent line between Church and State by the same elite,â€
Tancredo seems to forget about the Faith Based initiative of \/\/.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:22 pm.
“Those whom God want to destroy, He first makes insane.” Euripides, 425 BC.
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October 3rd, 2007 at 2:24 pmProud again to have Keith Ellison, a Muslim, representing Minnesota in Washington.
Tom, go climb that wall you’re building and take a good look…
and then jump.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:25 pmSo long, Halloween parade. Farewell, Santa’s gift shop. No more pork on the menu and adios Jell-O.
Next we will cancel Halloween and Christmas in Illinois schools in order not to offend Muslims…oh yeah, Illinois schools are planning to in order not to offend Muslims.
PC run amok. The slippery slope is getting to be a straight drop.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:26 pm22 were against Christmas while none were against the Muslims. Seems like he surely has a point!
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:27 pm22 were against Christmas while none were against the Muslims. Seems like he surely has a point!
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 3, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
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The only point here is that we have a bunch of unbelievably stupid morons running this excuse of a government and a population of unbelievably stupid morons who cannot see that.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmChrist would have been against Christmas.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pm#17 That explains why Minnesota keeps bending over for Muslim “rights”.
I thought it was American rights. No one better than the other yet all these special rights for these special groups of people. Goes to show if you are not considered “special” you have no “rights”.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmno more lame resolutions.
Get to work fermohammedssake
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmHe [Tancredo] received intense criticism from conservatives [Oil lovers] for these remarks.
Wow, so we cant say bomb Mecca [politically incorrect] but we can say Bomb Iran [Politically correct] even tho the hijackers were predominantly Saudi?
Since when is OIL a religion?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmMake sure we don’t draw any cartoons mocking those who voted in favor because it could draw some hateful violence from the radical Muslims.
Oh yeah, that would never happen.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:36 pmwere against Christmas while none were against the Muslims. Seems like he surely has a point!
Comment by Roger_Roger
What is Rx2 babbling about?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 pm#24 I bow to Oil everytime I turn on the heat and drive my car and use any of my mechanical tool so I can work. Thank you Oil…for allowing me to work and get to different places. Never mind him, he doesnt need you…he knows not what he says.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe only point here is that we have a bunch of unbelievably stupid morons running this excuse of a government and a population of unbelievably stupid morons who cannot see that.
Comment by Abby — October 3, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
That is not much of a rebuttal….does it not seem a little weird that 22 voted No on Christmas and 0 voted No for Ramadan? How can that be explained? I am looking for substance as opposed to blanket insults.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 pmThank you Oil…for allowing me to work and get to different places. -ANE
So your for bombing Iraq for OIL but not Saudi?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 pmActually, I think Tancredo just misunderstood — he thought he was voting on a resolution celebrating Rama-lama-ding-dong, that song from The Edsels made so famous by Otis Day and the Knights in Animal House…and Tancredo really didn’t like that movie at all…
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 pmHey look at it this way conservatards, Tancredo wants to bomb Mecca to secure OIL, Just like the conservatards did in Iraq, he shouldn’t be criticized, by conservatives, for doing what \/\/ did now should he?
Can you say conservatives R hypocrites?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:43 pmDifference between the two resolutions: the Christmas vote said “Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that those who celebrate Christmas believe that the symbols and traditions of Christmas should be protected”. If you aren’t a Christian, how can you say what “those who celebrate Christmas” think about the “symbols and traditions”? Whereas anyone can “acknowledge” that Muslims are celebrating Ramadan.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pm#17 That explains why Minnesota keeps bending over for Muslim “rightsâ€.
-Unnecessary Evil
Unnecessary, actually it explains why MN is a great place to live. Other than ‘mini-bush’ for a governor, we’re known for being nice people.
In fact, we’re even nice to…(hold your breath)…MUSLIMS!
Now go thump your bible. Or whatever you’re thumping today.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:46 pmOMEGA_3
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhat democrat voted against it?
No one voted against it. And the top link shows how people voted, so you could always look to see which D voted ‘present’
If you plan on voting for Ron Paul in NH and are not registered or not registered Republican… then you got ONLY until Oct 12th to do so… this is true in many other states as well… Decide NOW if you are going to support the Elites or help change this countries direction…
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:49 pmNext we will cancel Halloween and Christmas in Illinois schools in order not to offend Muslims…
So, in your tiny mind, Halloween is a religious holiday? What are you, a witch? Or just dumb as a bag of rocks?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:49 pmXisithrus
What is Rx2 babbling about?
He’s bringing up the same point I did higher up, just rather less lucidly.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:50 pmIs he still a Republican candidate? or he is in his way out ,? or he might soon be joining McCain’..bomb bomb bomb Iran’ band.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmWith Huckabee guitar,and Thompson acting they will make a nice group.
Ron Paul = Lyndon LaRouche, a lunatic gasbag.
Gerald Gibson, have you determined yet what it would mean to abolish the Federal Reserve and privatize the supply of currency? If not, why are you endorsing Ron Paul?
Whose bankers would you trust to control the supply of dollars, the Dutch or Chinese?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:54 pmNo my oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Saudi or even socialist Venezuela. Or even Nigeria. Or may Algeria. Russia too!
I make sure the oil from Iraq stays at a minimum. I would love more from America but we cannot drill anywhere because enviromentalist want us to depend on foreign oil. You know let them get their fair share.
All that oil of the coast of FL….mmmmm….can you hear it calling to us. All that work for Americans to drill and refine it. You know the 30 something different ways it has to be refined in this country for the enviroment. The other reason prices are so high.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:54 pm. If you aren’t a Christian, how can you say what “those who celebrate Christmas†think about the “symbols and traditions�
Im a Christian, but how can Coulter say what she does about peoples beliefs?
Secondly, I have never read about a man in a red suit in the bible flying around with a bunch of reindeer.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:55 pm“Next we will cancel Halloween and Christmas in Illinois schools in order not to offend Muslims…”
Never happen,
It would devastate the economy.
Something most christianists miss, is that Ramadan is a time of fasting.
In other words, doing without for awhile.
Another side of it is being charitable to those less abundant.
All of the ‘christian” holidays have now been spun towards stimulating the economy .
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:55 pmIf you aren’t a Christian, how can you say what “those who celebrate Christmas†think about the “symbols and traditions�
Comment by gulfwargrunt — October 3, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Plenty of non-Christians, such as myself, celebrate Christmas. Santa, the Tree, Elves, Presents, all that jazz is Pagan in origin and has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn’t even born in December, the date was adopted in 321 AD by the Council of Nicea to coincide with the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. Ramadan, by contrast, is solely Muslim and observance of fasting during Ramadan is one of the Five Pillars of Islam.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:55 pm#37 Neither, talking gorilla. Just like a left winger to throw insults. I just like Halloween like most kids in that school and all over this country do.
It has been part of the fall season for generations but since a group of people don’t like it let’s take it away from everyone else. They don’t have to participate. They don’t have to eat the Jell-O like some like to drink the multicultural Kool-Aid.
Do you remember when you were a kid and would dress up and get candy?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmNo my oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Saudi or even socialist Venezuela. Or even Nigeria. Or may Algeria. Russia too! -ANE
I guess you missed the stroy about the American Tycoon and Saddam? Or Hunt making an oil deal with the Kurds? Or toppling Saddam to secure the oil you dont use? Have you ever seen an gas pump that says this fuel is free of middle east oil?
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmPlenty of non-Christians, such as myself, celebrate Christmas.
If you’re not Christian, you don’t celebrate “Christmas.” You celebrate Yuletide, the winter solstice, which happens (as you point out, as a matter of convenience for Cristians) to fall on Christmas.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmSo Tom refused to vote for the resolution because he was protesting that a similar resolution commemorating a Jewish or Christian holiday would be hooted down as violating the separation of church and state?
Does this mean that there was a big protest against the resolution celebrating Christmas he voted for?
If Tom is as proud of his bigotry as he appears to be, why can’t he just be honest? Why can’t he just say that he hates Muslims and doesn’t want to wish them a happy anything?
And another question — Ramadan has been going on for almost three weeks now. What took Congress this long to note the “commencement” of Ramadan? A filibuster? Oh well — better late than never.
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmSo, in your tiny mind, Halloween is a religious holiday? What are you, a witch? Or just dumb as a bag of rocks?
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 3, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
“Halloween” = Hallowed Evening = the night before All Saint’s Day, which was the Christian hijacking of the ancient Celtic observance of Samhain. Like most Holidays (Holy Days) in America, it has lost its religious signifigance, which you can’t really say about Ramadan. Unless they are doing it as a Weight Watchers thing….
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:59 pmNeither, talking gorilla. Just like a left winger to throw insults. -ANE
Thats all that Coulter and Rush and Oreilly do. Nice Try.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:00 pmAs his presidential bid TANKS, Tommy TANKredo has to come up with more and more outrageous shit. Hey, over here! Hate, fear, and lots of it, hey over here, here!!!! Goddamit
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:01 pmwhich you can’t really say about Ramadan. Unless they are doing it as a Weight Watchers thing….
What? John the Baptist fasted all the time.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:02 pmIf you’re not Christian, you don’t celebrate “Christmas.†You celebrate Yuletide
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 3, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
That’s weird, Koko, how do you know what I celebrate? I can’t ever recall having a Yuletide tree.
My point is, Christmas is a secular AND religious holiday (which was banned in Colonial America, BTW - too pagan) whereas Ramadan is purely religious.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:02 pm#45 How did multiculturalism ruin Halloween, ANecessaryDoughbrain? It didn’t. Halloween was destroyed by home-grown paranoia over poisoned treats. Demonstrate to us some evidence that multiculturalism is responsible for Halloween’s so-called “demise.”
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:02 pmNot to mention Paris Hilton =p
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:02 pmIf I were a rep I’d vote “present” also, just because I believe that religion is not something the government should celebrate; it is something it should defend itself against.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 pmWhat took Congress this long to note the “commencement†of Ramadan? A filibuster? Oh well — better late than never.
Comment by missmolly — October 3, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Too busy talking about Rush and MoveOn…sigh.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 pmSecondly, I have never read about a man in a red suit in the bible flying around with a bunch of reindeer.
DeuceCouperonomy: 12:18
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:04 pmAll of the ‘christian†holidays have now been spun towards stimulating the economy .
Comment by Nevar — October 3, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
In the minds of non-Christians, particularly business owners. They retain their meaning for Christians. ;)
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmFast? Paris may have built for speed, once upon a time…..
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmPlease, congress, get past these stupid, meaningless resolutions, and do something for this country. I don’t care what Rush said, or whether congress is for Ramadan. I care about things that have a daily impact on my life. If Tancredo suddenly decides he loves Muslims, and Rush falls over dead, it does not change anything with my daily life. But, if Bush uses Lieberman-Kyl as authorization to attack Iran, or if congress decides SCHIP isn’t worth fighting for, or another dozen REAL resolutions that actually mean something aren’t worth their time because they are too busy with this pathetic high school crap, that has a very REAL impact on my life. Move on.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:07 pm#43 Never happen. Famous last words. It happened in social gov’ts. Just ask those that loved being on the other side of the Berlin Wall against their will.
So lets spin Ramadan so the economy can be even better.
I know about going without therefore I know about fasting. And by the way Christians know about fasting…
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm“They retain their meaning for Christians. ;)”
Comment by upright left
Sure, and they have their inherent guilt compounded if they can’t buy the presents and put on the parties…….
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmChristmas has become a corporate smorgasbord of materialism and profit, something Jesus was clearly not about. Celebrate Christmas by not giving the corporate lobbyists any money with which to undermine the peoples government.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:12 pmIn the rural town I grew up in, there was a group of ultra-religious Christians just outside of town. They would start getting really angry around halloween every year, because they felt it was akin to devil worship. I am sure they are happy to see the Halloween traditions die away.
Course they also avoided sending their kids to the local high school, because the mascot was the demons.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by Xisithrus — October 3, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Better yet, celebrate Christmas, by celebrating the birth of Christ, and spending time with your family and friends.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmSwanky, that was All Hallows day, Nov 1, not Oct 31.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 pmThe average person dreads the holiday season.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:20 pmThey dread the obligations to get together with family members they detest, buy presents for demanding children, and put on parties for lecherous co-workers who use the season as an excuse to schmooze.
They dread the beginning of the annual cycle of credit card debt just as winter comes on and utilities cost more.
Yet they put on the plastic smiles and jump all over anyone who doesn’t “get the spirit of the season”.
‘Cause they know if they don’t, someone will pile the guilt on, and jump all over them!
Better yet, celebrate Christmas, by celebrating the birth of Christ, and spending time with your family and friends.
Comment by Krazny — October 3, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Talk like that will get Bill OLiely on your case, don’t ya know?
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:22 pmChristmas is all about buying junk from his web site. /snark
The peoples government sounds similar to the People’s Republic of China…and we know what happened there and is still happening.
I thought is was a government for the people, by the people and of the people. Not people’s government!
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:23 pm#72 Why not buy things with your money whether for Christmas or just because you want to instead of government telling you so or just taking your money because they can and spending on proven losing programs.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:24 pmOMEGA_3
Thats what i meant. but a present vote is still not a vote for.
who is the scum democrat who voted that way?
Perhaps you missed this part of my initial response:
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmAnd the top link shows how people voted, so you could always look to see which D voted ‘present’
#72 Why not buy things with your money whether for Christmas or just because you want to instead of government telling you so or just taking your money because they can and spending on proven losing programs.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 3, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Please don’t drink and blog.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Nevar — October 3, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
I love holidays and seeing family.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmI can even stand visiting my ex-inlaws for a short time =)
Comment by Wayne — October 3, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
All part of my radical left wing agenda. Right behind freedom to buy just about any damn thing I want, without the government tracking it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:33 pmIf I was a member of Congress, I think I would probably oppose most of these resolutions that have absolutely nothing to do with the work that needs to be done. Not for religious reasons, not for political reasons, but for time-wasting reasons. However, I would not voice my displeasure by voting “no” on a resolution intended to “demonstrate solidarity with and support for” anybody who has nothing to do with congressional procedure. That would just create bad feeling all the way around, and do nothing to stop the resolutions.
Tom Tancredo, on the other hand, has already revealed his true colors when he advocated bombing Mecca. He has been shown to be anti-Muslim, and has demonstrated an appalling lack of knowledge about them and about their religion (he’s also revealed himself to be an idiot, but that’s another story). I cannot believe that his vote was motivated by anything other than his bigotry.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmSmile more.
Comment by Johnny Swank
That was simply a social commentary, and observation of modern American cultural habits.
The qualifier was “average”…
Mid-winter is simply a quiet time of reflection for me personally.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmI tend to have a VERY good time away from the crowds and commotion.
Relatively few people go camping over Christmas and New Years.
Those that I meet, themselves escaping the commercialism and the falseness, are most often friendly, cheerful and engaging, and we usually have a pretty good time.
“spending on proven losing programs”
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 3, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
I’m still waiting for you to tell me what these “proven losing programs” are…
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmKrazny
All part of my radical left wing agenda. Right behind freedom to buy just about any damn thing I want, without the government tracking it.
I knew it. I knew you were the man behind the curtain. The curtain of the left wing agenda, but it’s still a curtain, and now I’m on to you.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmmissmolly
I’m still waiting for you to tell me what these “proven losing programs†are…
The Mets.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmSwanky, that was All Hallows day, Nov 1, not Oct 31.
Comment by RUCerious — October 3, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
You say tomato, I say tomatoe, let’s call the whole thing off! It’s still considered a religous holiday to some.
Comment by Johnny Swank — October 3, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
I believe it’s “All Saints Day” on November 1 (or “All Hallows Day”), and “All Hallows Eve” (or Hallowe’en) on October 31. Sort of like Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:39 pmWe’re all aware of your drapings, skewgee!
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:39 pmLOL
missmolly
I’m still waiting for you to tell me what these “proven losing programs†are…
The Mets.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
ROFL — OMG, they’re subsidized by the government???
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:40 pmI knew it. I knew you were the man behind the curtain. The curtain of the left wing agenda, but it’s still a curtain, and now I’m on to you.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
I would have a curtain, but they keep telling me it isn’t in the budget, until then I pretend I have one.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:41 pmwho is the scum democrat who voted that way?
Comment by OMEGA_3 — October 3, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
That would be Mike McIntyre, from North Carolina (the southern corner of the state, containing Wilmington and Lumberton).
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:45 pmmissmolly
That would be Mike McIntyre, from North Carolina (the southern corner of the state, containing Wilmington and Lumberton).
And don’t forget the 6 D no-votes.
Nevar
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:49 pmWe’re all aware of your drapings, skewgee!
LOL
Thats just cause flamboyance is my style.
http://findarticles.com/ p/ articles/ mi_qa3827/ is_200201/ ai_n9045519
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/aframfam.htm
http://www.schoolchoices.org/roo/walberg1.htm
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/ usbudget/ fy04/ pdf/ budget/ performance.pdf
Here is a few to enlighten yourself on Miss Molly…Hope you read them.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmLet me get back to work so I can pay for all that “free” entitlements that working class people like myself cannot afford on my own.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmThats just cause flamboyance is my style.
Comment by Squegeeboo
Right on!
…and Johnny Spank thinks I don’t know how to have a good time!
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 3, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Thanks for the links, and I enjoyed reading them. Probably the most useful one was the last one (the others were primarily opinion, which doesn’t exactly constitute “proof”).
In the “Rating the Performance of Federal Programs”, there is a very helpful chart on page 51 that pretty much summarizes the effectiveness of federal programs. According to this chart, half the programs have no results to tabulate, so we don’t know if they’re effective or not. The rest of the programs have measurable results, with the “ineffective” figure at 5.1%.
So what you are saying is this tidal wave of “proven losing programs” you’re always railing against constitutes only 5.1% of the federal programs. Many businesses don’t have a record that good.
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmIt’s still considered a religous holiday to some.
Comment by Johnny Swank — October 3, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Halloween a RELIGIOUS holiday….?
Yeah, if you’re a PAGAN.
Jebus. Now I’ve heard everything. Good grief. What a moron.
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmWhat is Ramadan and why is it important?
Comment by Godfather2
Ask Daryll, you two seem to be on the same page.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmWhat is Ramadan and why is it important?
Comment by Godfather2 — October 3, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Ramadan is the ninth month of the Muslim calendar. It’s considered a holy month for Muslims, because this was the month that the Quran was revealed.
Muslims observe this month by eschewing bodily pleasures and comforts from dawn to sunset — including doing without food or water, tobacco, or sexual activity. It is a month for spiritual reflection and renewal with God. Fasting is to remind them what it is like to do without and create empathy for those who have less.
Ramadan ends with a big celebration, Eid-al-Fitr, which is observed with parties, feasting, and general merrymaking. People give gifts to each other at this time, especially to the children (although there really isn’t a Ramadan “elf”).
Neither Ramadan nor Eid-al-Fitr has any special symbols, such as trees, Santas, or snowmen. It has pretty much escaped the gross commercialism we associate with Christmas (which makes sense — Ramadan is all about doing without, so it would be hard to sell conspicuous consumption as part of the holiday). However, in Muslim countries, Eid-al-Fitr is a holiday where businesses are closed so people can celebrate, much as people do for Christmas here. Even though it’s not a holiday widely recognized here in the United States, American Muslims still often take the day off so they can celebrate with their family and friends.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:16 pm“The lessons Tancredo and Goode appear to have learned is that they need to do a better job masking their anti-Muslim bias.â€
And the lesson you liberals need to learn is you better get your heads out of the sand before it’s too late.
Comment by Michael — October 3, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Huh? Do you have an explanation for this non-sequitur?
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pmmissmolly
Muslims observe this month by eschewing bodily pleasures and comforts from dawn to sunset — including doing without food or water, tobacco, or sexual activity.
Wow, at least they can still drink(alcoholic beverages) though.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:36 pmmissmolly
Muslims observe this month by eschewing bodily pleasures and comforts from dawn to sunset — including doing without food or water, tobacco, or sexual activity.
Wow, at least they can still drink(alcoholic beverages) though.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Um…no they can’t. Alcohol is strictly forbidden in Islam — anytime. They manage to have a good time without it, though.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmmissmolly
Um…no they can’t. Alcohol is strictly forbidden in Islam — anytime. They manage to have a good time without it, though.
One could even say they have a blast.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:39 pmAlso, I was aware of the alcohol thing, it was just to much of a lead in for a person like me to skip.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:39 pmMichael
If I have to explain the threat the muslim world poses to the West, then there is NO hope for you.
We’d all have to wear that long flowing dress thingy? Cause I have a kilt, and I’d have to say, it’s much more comfortable than pants, so I would welcome it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmAlso, I was aware of the alcohol thing, it was just to much of a lead in for a person like me to skip.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
I can understand the temptation. It WOULD create some rather unpleasant situations, though — downing martinis without any food (no olive — that counts as food).
My Muslim friends rise about 45 minutes to half an hour before dawn so they can eat breakfast and drink enough liquid to get through the day. They break their fasts a couple of minutes after sunset — traditionally with dates or olives. Followed by a normal dinner.
Because the Muslim calendar is about 10 days shorter than a solar year, Ramadan starts 10 days earlier in our calendar than it did the year before. Therefore, it appears at different times of the year, and as you can imagine, fasting in December is a lot easier than fasting in June!
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmRichard Francis Burton, one of the few Europeans to get into Mecca in the 19th Century, was of the opinion that Islam was basically reformed Christianity. Looking at the history of Christianity , they decided 1) no priests–direct relationship between the believer and God; 2) an emphasis on poverty and caring for the less fortunate; 3) lock the law down early and restrict re-interpretation; 4) Officially decree tolerance between Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmIf I have to explain the threat the muslim world poses to the West, then there is NO hope for you.
Comment by Michael — October 3, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I guess you need to explain it then, because I don’t see Muslims to be the great boogeymen you do. Except, of course, for a few religious zealots who like to blow up our buildings — THAT organization must be dealt with. However, they don’t represent the majority of Muslims.
You also should explain how our occupation of Iraq eliminates this threat. You will probably just use the Republican talking point (”we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”), which is meaningless, but I am always hopeful you’ll come up with something new.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmmissmolly
Therefore, it appears at different times of the year, and as you can imagine, fasting in December is a lot easier than fasting in June!
Only if your in the Northern Hemisphere. Why are you so north-hemi-centric? What did penguins ever do to you?
Alright, I apologize, I may have hit my burn out point at work for the day. I’ll catch everyone tomorrow.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:52 pmOnly if your in the Northern Hemisphere. Why are you so north-hemi-centric? What did penguins ever do to you?
Alright, I apologize, I may have hit my burn out point at work for the day. I’ll catch everyone tomorrow.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
You’re absolutely right — and the country with the most Muslims is Indonesia, much of which lies below the Equator. June doesn’t have such long days for them.
Yes — go home and get some rest. See you here tomorrow.
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmYou did OK today, squegee… couple of good ones……
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmWhose bankers would you trust to control the supply of dollars, the Dutch or Chinese?
Comment by koko the talking gorilla
The U.S. Constitution (you know ..that thing we have been throwing in the face of the NeoCons over and over) ..doesnt say anything about any banks controling our money supply…
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pm“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects of the Constitution or Confederation; not from any want of honor or virtue, as much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.” In simple terms, the United States Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank with interest. Here is how it works: The Government wants $1 billion. The Federal Reserve prints $1 billion - based upon no hard asset - and lends it to the Government at a high interest rate. The bank did not have the original money, it created it and made a bookkeeping entry - like you writing yourself a check without funds and cashing it.
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
-Thomas Jefferson
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmWhy don’t Muslims living in America denounce and stand by our side instead of “The Islamo Terroristâ€. You very rarely hear a Muslim stand against the “Bad Muslimsâ€. Saying nothing at all speaks volumes as well.
Comment by Johnny Swank — October 3, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
How often do you actually speak to Muslims? How many do you know? I know several, and have discussed this issue with them a number of times. Guess what? My friends consider themselves Americans. Americans who happen to be Muslim by faith. They relate to the fanatics who were responsible for 9/11 about as well as I relate to Timothy McVeigh.
Of course they condemn terrorism. Of course they condemn acts of violence against America — THEIR country as well as mine. And they are getting a little weary of being asked to somehow apologize for 9/11 all the time — as if they are somehow responsible, or as if they don’t feel the hurt from that awful day as much as any of the rest of us (yes — Muslims died at the WTC, too).
The Muslim community where I live has pretty much gone out of their way to foster good relations with their non-Muslim neighbors. They have held open houses at the mosque, held seminars and Q&A sessions for any non-Muslim who wants to know about their faith, and have gone to speak everywhere they are invited to do so. EVERY time they have a chance to speak to non-Muslims, they condemn terrorism and in particular those who attacked our nation on 9/11. How much more do you want them to do?
If you are waiting for some great Muslim spokesman (like a Pope or something) to make a public condemnation, you’ll be waiting a long time because in Islam, no such person exists. There is no “chief Muslim”. Furthermore, those who do speak out aren’t being listened to. Instead, we continually hear from people like you that Muslims condone terrorism through silence. It’s not that. It’s that people like you just don’t listen.
Go meet some Muslims. Talk to them. I guarantee you’ll learn something.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:20 pmWhy don’t Muslims living in America denounce and stand by our side instead of “The Islamo Terroristâ€. You very rarely hear a Muslim stand against the “Bad Muslimsâ€. Saying nothing at all speaks volumes as well.
Comment by Johnny Swank — October 3, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
I lived in NY until recently, and after 9/11 I went out with a lot of other Muslims to speak out against the attacks and violence in general. I participated in a group called Muslims Against Terrorism. We had big signs and banners denouncing terrorism and marched in parades and made many other appearances in the NYC area. I spoke at countless seminars, meetings, interfaith dialogue groups, churches, and where ever I could about how Islam, — the true Islam and not that twisted version practiced by a few crackpots — does not in any way condone terrorism. HOW MANY TIMES DID THE MEDIA SHOW UP AND REPORT WHAT I AND OTHERS WERE DOING? None!!!!! They didn’t show us on tv, they didn’t write articles about us. In fact, the media doesn’t even want you to know how many Muslims did and still do speak out against terrorism and promote peace. No, the media just wants to sell tickets to their whatever fear-promoting crap they are pushing. You want to know what real Muslims in this country are doing, you will have to get up off your fat, lazy butt and go down and meet some Muslims and talk to them and find out what sort of activities they have been involved in. You are not going to hear about it on the news blurbs between Simpsons reruns.
Personally, I am tired of defending myself and it is 6 years later. I am tired of having to get scrutinized by security every time I go on an airplane (I am a early-30s female of slight build). Do you have to constantly apologize for the KKK or Timothy McVeigh or even Hitler? But, still, I do what I can. I went to a church last year on Christmas Eve (and I live in the Bible belt now) to let them know that they are my brothers and sisters too, and that the similarities between our faiths are greater than our differences. If it will make you feel better, tell me where you live and go to church, and I will show up there and denounce terrorism from the rooftop. But see, you would never know this watching tv. Maybe you should stop living such a sheltered life and go out and find these things out for yourself.
p.s. I was in the Army ROTC in college but was disqualified from service because I developed a major chronic illness. I would have been out there right now defending you and your family otherwise. So don’t tell me I don’t do enough for my country and that I don’t try to do my part as a Muslim. You offend me deeply.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:36 pmTo Michael –
I agree with you that all the terror attacks in your list were terrible events. But not one item on that list had anything to do with Iraq. And if invading Iraq for its oil was such a good reason, why wasn’t Bush honest about that? Why did he fill us up with a bunch of phony reasons for the invasion?
Yes, Al Qaeda is dangerous and must be stopped. But by invading Iraq, three things have happened:
1) Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan (Osama bin Laden’s stomping grounds) has regrown in strength since our initial invasion of Pakistan until it’s regained its pre-9/11 strength.
2) By destabilizing Iraq, we have created a fertile breeding ground for Al Qaeda there — where none existed before.
3) We have squandered every bit of goodwill capital we got from the rest of the world in the days following 9/11 — and then some.
If this is the result of “Bush going after terrorists” — thanks, but no thanks. It’s not making me feel any safer.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmComment by ThinkOutsideTheBush — October 3, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
Thanks for your comments. I went and googled “Muslims Against Terrorism”, and found out a great deal. It amazes me (and enrages me) that this group has gotten no media exposure at all. I had never even heard of it until I read your post.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:12 amMiss Molly,
Try checking out http://www.whitehouse.gov/ omb/ expectmore/ rating/ notperform.html
It reports somewhere upward of 22% of federal programs are not performing and that is not better than most businesses. And most businesses need to turn a profit to stay afloat so they would not last that long even at your reported 5%.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:18 amIt is time for Congress to vote for recognitions FSM holidays and the new Google Church holiday, September 14th.
“Google Appreciation Day is an event that officially occurs on the 14th of September. This date is significant because “Google.com†was registered on September 14th.”
http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/ Scripture/ google_appreciation_day.html
October 5th, 2007 at 8:07 amHalloween a RELIGIOUS holiday….?
Yeah, if you’re a PAGAN.
Jebus. Now I’ve heard everything. Good grief. What a moron.
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 3, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
You know there are pagans in the united states and around the world right?
Also, it is the evening before catholic all saints day.
Unfortunately the pagans have trouble agreeing when to celebrate samhain (halloween), being that it doesnt always fall on the 31st by thier calculations.
Im sorry if you were kidding, just making sure
October 19th, 2007 at 10:02 am