Besides, you can’t honestly tell me that you watch these frauds on TV who sell the keys to the gates of heaven, and say that they aren’t the precise hypocrits Jesus saw in the Pharisees. When I say Evangelists, I mean the Evangelical church.

Comment by Bruce Gorton — October 4, 2007 @ 4:15 pm

Perhaps you didn’t notice the part of my comment where I said I rely on MY OWN UNDERSTANDING of scripture as well as that of pastors who I know have dedicated themselves to the Lord. My own understanding comes from my own study. So, thanks for the advice, but I’ve read it and continue to read it. You appear to have drawn your opinion of evangelism from TV preachers. When so many of them are obviously showmen out to make money rather than true men of God, it seems a poor way to evaluate an entire group of people. Unless, of course, it just happens to fit the opinion that you choose to hold. A Christian church that seeks to fulfill the will of God will be an evangelistic church. Jesus’ type of evangelism, not Jim Bakker’s.

Taking the word of a preacher on scripture, is like taking the word of a salesman on the car you are buying. Go read the book yourself and form your own opinions.

Besides, you can’t honestly tell me that you watch these frauds on TV who sell the keys to the gates of heaven, and say that they aren’t the precise hypocrits Jesus saw in the Pharisees. When I say Evangelists, I mean the Evangelical church.

Heh, heh, heh, gortie, I’m sure you’ll understand if I go with my own understanding of scripture and that of pastors who have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible and serving God over that of a lefty liberal anti-Christian. I don’t know where ya came up with that “preaching against evangelism” idea. Remember “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,? And, no, that doesn’t mean force anyone, it means tell people and let them choose. And how about “He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.” So, no, gortie, Jesus didn’t preach against evengelism. Public prayer for the right reason is pleasing to God. Public prayer for the attention it brings is not. ;)

Except it is a direct instruction complete with giving you a location on where to pray. He said it straight – go to your closet and pray there. You don’t get any more direct an instruction then that.

His whole speech was against public displays of piety, not against piety but public displays of it. He was preaching against Evangelism, which never did privately what it could do with a camera crew ever-present, against the Church where public prayer is part of the program, and against politicians who use their faith as an instant in to your trust.

Part of what he was saying was warning his followers against the publically pious and the Christian faith has never, in its history, heeded that warning. Like I said, Jesus has very little to do with the Christian religion.

It’s sooooo incredibly predictable and affirms that they’re on their last legs.

Comment by Veritas — October 3, 2007 @ 9:47 am

Dems are now wasting time on something that is just detracting from the legitimate work of Congress. At least that was the claim regarding the moveon issue. Dems can’t complain about that anymore. ;)

You failed to back up your claim that I was taking Jesus out of context there. You know, when I quoted Mathew, Chapter six, where Jesus fills his followers in on praying.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — October 3, 2007 @ 5:04 pm

I’m not sure why you want a response to that when we both no there is nothing that you will consider valid, being a non-believer. But here you go:

“Jesus gave three areas in the practice of righteousness, wherein the Pharisees, by overt display, perverted true worship and turned it into an effort to gain public approval: (1) almsgiving (2) prayer (3) fasting….”
“In secret” does not mean that public acts of mercy, fasting, and prayer are to be avoided. Rather, Jesus admonishes those for whom public display is a temptation, to practice theirs acts of piety in secrecy.”

The Holy Bible, King James Version, Baptist Study Edition
Edited by W.A. Criswell, Ph.D.
Thomas Nelson Publishers

You can also speak to a local pastor about it. Do you think you’ve stumbled upon something that the rest of the world has missed that you actually think you are right about this? ;)

You failed to back up your claim that I was taking Jesus out of context there. You know, when I quoted Mathew, Chapter six, where Jesus fills his followers in on praying.

Vendetta

All of those definitions are all very well and good, except that none of them are what the leftwing is proposing.

Socialised healthcare (One of the few major successes of socialist systems) does not equal socialised everything. It isn’t even a slippery slope as all of the other first world countries have demonstrated.

A social safety net, does not equal government running your businesses. It equals slightly higher taxes, for lower poverty rates and that’s about it. Your businesses still run themselves within legal parameters.

Higher environmental standards don’t mean your government is running your business, it just means your business has to meet certain criteria. There is a big difference between regulating a business so that it doesn’t harm those around it, and managing a business. Nobody wants to breath sulphur dioxide because the local factory wasn’t properly maintained.

You are claiming that people hold positions that they don’t and you haven’t offered any solutions yourself, other then to ignore today’s problems in the hopes that they go away. Maybe you should come right out and put forward your ideas on how America should run, or are you afraid that if you formulate them they might just turn out to be liberal ideas?

Sore loser, eh bud? ;)

I’m done with you. I have more important things to do than play patty-cake with the likes of you.

Sayonara

Once again, monkey, your first links took me to top of this page. You also stated that YOU “shot down” certain claims, so you’ll understand when I failed to see where YOU did that with your last link. The site you finally linked to does nothing to address my comments to gortie, which is where this began.
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As much as I hate to, again, do your work for you, in the interest of time, here are the meanings of bragging and explaining:

Main Entry: 2brag
Function: verb
intransitive verb : to talk boastfully
transitive verb : to assert boastfully

Main Entry: ex·plain

Function: verb
transitive verb
1 a : to make known b : to make plain or understandable

See the difference, monk? Boasting or not boasting. You’ll have to look that word up for yourself, bud.
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“Defend your assertion that conservatives are morally superior, or retract the claim.”

I’ll retract that claim just as soon as you show where I made it. Progs tend to feel like people who dislike porn, oppose homosexuality, believe that abortion is murder, advocate long sentences for child molesters, etc. think that they are morally superior. Don’t blame me for your feelings and assumptions. I never made that claim. It wouldn’t be the Christian thing to do since we are all sinners. Perhaps you inferred that because you subconsciously believe it. ;)

I hate to tell ya this, monkey, since ya seemed to be getting all worked up, but that link doesn’t show where you “shot down” any post here.

From one of your earlier posts:

As long as consenting adults keep their actions to themselves, fine.

Since you’ve finally conceded to click on the link I provided, I’ll ask you again: How many of the incidents listed in that link were between “consenting adults” (Hint: a minor cannot legally consent)?

The link demolishes your spurious claim that the moral values of conservatives are superior to those of liberals, and that they’re “opposed” to “violence and filth”.

If we were talking about some obscure or technical terms, I’d define it for ya, bud. Bragging and explaining are simple enough terms even for you. If ya can’t figure that out from the dictionary, you don’t need to be here posting.

I didn’t ask for a comparative definition of “bragging” vs. “explaining”, dolt. I asked for your definition of the dividing line between “explaining” Bible passages and “bragging” about one’s Biblical knowledge.

Do you practice being this obtuse, or do you find it comes naturally to you?

Don’t get all mad at me because your links don’t work, bud.

That’s funny…I tested all of them…and they all work perfectly. In light of that evidence, it would seem that you’re a liar, but since that’s nothing new, I won’t belabor the point.

Obviously, the numbers have changed since the one you provided before wasn’t correct. If ya want a response, give me the number.

That’s precisely why I gave you a link, dolt…because numbers are apt to change.

But enough about the post that you magically can’t seem to see. You have two issues in front of you:

1) Defend your assertion that conservatives are morally superior, or retract the claim.

2) Explain your definition of the difference between “bragging” about Biblical knowledge and “explaining” Biblical knowledge, or admit that no objective difference exists.

Sorry to lay it all out lik e this, but you’ve demonstrated repeatedly that unless given firm direction, you’re unable to focus sufficiently to complete a task.

You have your work cut out for you. Get to it.

“Can’t wait for you to try to tell me that one doesn’t work…”

I hate to tell ya this, monkey, since ya seemed to be getting all worked up, but that link doesn’t show where you “shot down” any post here.
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You acknowledged that I’ve already done your work for ya once today. Enough with the laziness.

“Bullsh!t. You’re the one who claimed a difference, it’s up to you to codify it. Otherwise, it’s just a nebulous distinction which you can change as needed to shore up your arguments (which was your intent, obviously).”

If we were talking about some obscure or technical terms, I’d define it for ya, bud. Bragging and explaining are simple enough terms even for you. If ya can’t figure that out from the dictionary, you don’t need to be here posting.

“Your continual attempts to skirt the issues are getting tiresome, UL. You’re starting to bore me.”
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 3, 2007 @ 2:31 pm

Don’t get all mad at me because your links don’t work, bud. Is there some reason why you can’t provide the nimber of the post in question? Obviously, the numbers have changed since the one you provided before wasn’t correct. If ya want a response, give me the number. Did the post possibly contain filth that would have caused it to be deleted? ;)

You lecturing on the Christian thing to do – ah the irony ;)

Which Christian, the burning, torturing, murdering, inquisition and heathen converting Christian? Or the diddle little boys version? Those are the only two Christian values that can be readily associated with you! ;)

You really are quite the tedious little monkey aren’t ya, bud.
You’re links just take me to the top of this page.

Fine. Try this link, then.

Can’t wait for you to try to tell me that one doesn’t work…

You acknowledged that I’ve already done your work for ya once today. Enough with the laziness.

Bullsh!t. You’re the one who claimed a difference, it’s up to you to codify it. Otherwise, it’s just a nebulous distinction which you can change as needed to shore up your arguments (which was your intent, obviously).

Your continual attempts to skirt the issues are getting tiresome, UL. You’re starting to bore me.

Before you ask (and waste yet more time), here is the link again.

“You’re taking abject cowardice to a whole new level, UL.”

You really are quite the tedious little monkey aren’t ya, bud.
You’re links just take me to the top of this page.
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“So, what constitutes the difference between “bragging” and “explaining”, UL? If you’re going to establish such a difference, you need to quantify it. Elaborate.”

Try m-w.org, bud. You acknowledged that I’ve already done your work for ya once today. Enough with the laziness. Laziness, by the way, is a trait of those who want the goverment to provide for them. (Couldn’t resist.)

I prefer to avoid any suggestion of bragging among those who are always looking to use scripture to accuse Christians.

I bet you do…you’ve probably been bit in the ass one too many times.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 3, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

Nope, can’t say as that has ever happened, bud. It’s just the Christian thing to do. ;)

At 224, I get my response to gortie. I’ll be happy to respond when I see your post.

I linked to it in my last post, coward. All you had to do is click on the link.

Before you ask (and waste yet more time), here is the link again.

You’re taking abject cowardice to a whole new level, UL.

Bragging about one’s knowledge of scripture would be a problem. Explaining one’s knowledge for the purpose of establishing one’s credibility would not.

So, what constitutes the difference between “bragging” and “explaining”, UL? If you’re going to establish such a difference, you need to quantify it. Elaborate.

I prefer to avoid any suggestion of bragging among those who are always looking to use scripture to accuse Christians.

I bet you do…you’ve probably been bit in the ass one too many times.

I provided the context fine. You are trying to twist it to suit your views because you like praying in public and being recognised for your piety.

At 224, I get my response to gortie. I’ll be happy to respond when I see your post.

So…does that mean that Daryll is a bad Christian?

Just trying to get a feel for the ground rules here. Daryll, care to comment?

Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 3, 2007 @ 1:52 pm

I wouldn’t know. Bragging about one’s knowledge of scripture would be a problem. Explaining one’s knowledge for the purpose of establishing one’s credibility would not. I prefer to avoid any suggestion of bragging among those who are always looking to use scripture to accuse Christians. ;)

Being a good Christian, I won’t comment on my knowledge of scripture.

So…does that mean that Daryll is a bad Christian?

Just trying to get a feel for the ground rules here. Daryll, care to comment?

Ducking ya, monkey? Never. What’s the number of the post in which you “shot down that claim,” bud.

Post #224 (at the moment).

Considering its size, it’s hard to see how you missed it.

(BTW, I’m not your “bud”. Not on your best day.)

Oh, and by the way, I noticed Sept 21 came and went without a “massive stock market collapse”.

Indeed…someone is out billions. One can’t help but wonder who could be well-heeled enough to simply throw away billions on the market…