Byrd: Senate’s ‘Saber-Rattling’ Is ‘Sleep-Walking’ America To War With Iran
Byrd: Senate’s ‘Saber-Rattling’ Is ‘Sleep-Walking’ America To War With Iran
On the Senate floor today, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) decried the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment on Iran that 72 of his colleagues voted for, calling it an exercise in “international verbal spitball.” Byrd warned his colleagues against “sleep-walking” into another war, saying “I hope that we can stop this war of words before it becomes a war of bombs.”
Byrd added that the Senate’s “chest-pounding” and “saber-rattling” towards Iran was “deeply troubling,” as the Iraq war has shown “all too clearly where it leads”:
It is deeply troubling to see the U.S. Senate joining the chest-pounding and saber-rattling of the Bush administration. I am no apologist for the Iranian regime, anymore than I was for Saddam Hussein, but I fear that we may become entangled in another bloody quagmire. We have been down this path before. We have seen all too clearly where it leads.
Watch it:
As former Vice President Al Gore noted in his book, The Assault on Reason, Byrd made a similarly prescient speech in 2003, warning against the invasion of Iraq:
We are truly “sleepwalking through history.” In my heart of hearts I pray that this great nation and its good and trusting citizens are not in for a rudest of awakenings.
To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is “in the highest moral traditions of our country”. This war is not necessary at this time. Pressure appears to be having a good result in Iraq. Our mistake was to put ourselves in a corner so quickly. Our challenge is to now find a graceful way out of a box of our own making. Perhaps there is still a way if we allow more time.
At that time, Byrd noted that the Senate was “ominously silent” and failed to question the Bush administration’s invasion plan. “There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war,” he said. Let’s hope that with Iran, the Senate wakes up before it’s too late.
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Ah, he’s right. We’re pathetic in the way we slouch towards war. Real countries stand up and say what they think, and produce finite statements of policy, we sort of let things happen and point to legal opinions later. It’s horrible.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:36 pmGoddamn DeJaVu all over again.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThat doddering old fool is right.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmHow I wish that every Democrat in the House and Senate had the brains and courage of this man. I dread the day he retires — who will take up his voice of reason?
October 4th, 2007 at 4:38 pmnuke bombs vs. no nuke bombs. That is the question the senate needs to answer. Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
October 4th, 2007 at 4:39 pmnuke bombs vs. no nuke bombs. That is the question the senate needs to answer. Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
You of course are talking about the Bush-Cheney cabal/regime?
October 4th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThank god someone has the sense to smack the Senate around for that ridiculous amendment. Byrd has some balls to call them out on this march to war.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:41 pmSleepwalking, indeed–The entire congress must be on Ambien. They keep waking up in these awful predicaments and then claiming they have no memory of how they got there.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:42 pmLooks like poor R2Dumb2 doesn’t know how to read the IAE report that stated Iran wasn’t developing nukes for weaponry. Pity.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:42 pmSleepwalking America to war? Not possible.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pmOnly Fools hurry into war. (see RxR post)
Ignore Jake (Rory)
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#6… yeah just like Iraq… oh yeah right.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pmquiet idiot.
If we can get Larry Craig to resign, can you guys get Robert “KKK†Byrd to resign as well?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
If Byrd attended Senate sessions wearing a white robe and a hood, perhaps. However, pressure to resign rightly should come from a Senator’s constituents, and the West Virginians apparently are happy to have him represent them. And lest you accuse me of a double standard, I posted a number of times in TP threads that the same standard apply to Larry Craig (unfortunately, the people of Idaho are less than thrilled with Craig’s extracurricular activities).
I don’t like the Klan or anything it stands for, but Byrd’s Klan activities occurred decades ago, and he has apologized for them. Try to find something more current.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pmnuke bombs vs. no nuke bombs. That is the question the senate needs to answer. Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
What’s your definition of a “terrorist regime”? Does North Korea qualify? Why aren’t you calling for bombing them?
October 4th, 2007 at 4:51 pmByrd has stated the obvious. Now, if only more Senators had the courage to stand for common sense!
October 4th, 2007 at 4:52 pmDo we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
We gonna disarm ourselves?
October 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAnd what was year 2006 elections for if Lieberman (I)can pass what he wants,not Once but Twice since the last election in US Senate.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhat will America get if Giuliani or Hillary win next year 2008?
Americans will get more of the same,the same dollar backers..Neocons or Neolibs are one plane with two wings.
I understand Senator’s Byrd frustrations, he comes from a different generation of politicians.Today’s Senators take the Constitution and ’seperation of powers’ lightly.The majority of their votes reflect a party line vote, rather than a vote for what is good for the country .
That’s what the ACLU is all about fool.
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWhat do you think about them apples?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Fine w/ me. If Craig wins, he wins.
NO WHINING next time the ACLU takes up sumpin’ ya don’t like.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pmNow Craig says he’s staying?
Oh, how embarrasing for the Grand Old Perverts.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:56 pmThat would be GROSS OLD PERVERTS
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 4:57 pmOnly gross when they’re in their wide stances, my man.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWOO HOO. GO LARRY CRAIG! ; )
thanks to you staying in congress, repub fundraising’s going to go straight into to the toilet [no wide stances please]
October 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pmBack to the subject of the thread…
Yes, I was appalled that the Congress all ran towards the Kyl-Leiberman amendment. Have they learned nothing since 2003?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pmPS. Please don’t let Jake/Rory derail this thread. It’s very annoying, those little troll tactics.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI’m a card-carrying member of the ACLU; aren’t you?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Yeah, sure…….
You said you were a woman too, but you support doing away with womens voting rights.
Next you will tell us you are a lawyer/doctor/korean war veteran.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI’m a card-carrying member of the ACLU; aren’t you?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
For the record?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pm//throws up hands
October 4th, 2007 at 5:03 pmSen. Byrd explains it all for you. Very simply & well put, Senator. Has earned his redemption, this one.
If Byrd knows it & doesn’t mind saying it, where the hell are the rest of you, Senate & House, on speaking out & voting down an increase in the madness that is BushCo foreign policy?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007″
roger2 hearts pakistan.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“If Byrd knows it & doesn’t mind saying it, where the hell are the rest of you, Senate & House”
One reason their numbers are in the toilet. The public is, once again, way ahead of them.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007″
too late, North Korea already has it.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNext the Senate will have roll call vote on a spending bill authorizing remodeling of the Capitol washrooms.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pmHis, Hers, and Larry’s.
If we can get Larry Craig to resign, can you guys get Robert “KKK†Byrd to resign as well?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Troubled by a straight patriot, are you? You should be.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pmYeah, Rory, kill the ACLU - the American CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION - you don’t need your civil rights anyway.
Good grief. WAFM
October 4th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAssuming Iran is trying to develop a Nuclear weapon, they are almost a decade away from getting refined uranium in sufficient quantities. That, more than anything else, suggests that we do not need to rush into an ill-advised conflict. We have plenty of time to find a peaceful solution.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:09 pmGood for Byrd. It’s about time someone dressed down the stupid Democratic Senators. I sent Harry Reid an e-mail telling him what I thought of his voting for the amendment. He sent back an email that really pissed me off telling me all about how worried we should be about all the harm that Iran may be doing in Iraq. The “may be doing” was from his e-mail. Of course the e-mail I sent back bounced. He is not brave enough to hold an actual e-mail conversation with his constituents.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:09 pmRushing to militarily engage Iran will just turn all the dissidents and reformers into nationalists. A terrible idea.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAnd if Iran got the bomb, exactly what are they going to do with it? It’s not like they have any means of delivering it to a North American target.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:11 pmIf we can get Larry Craig to resign, can you guys get Robert “KKK†Byrd to resign as well?
Comment by Rory
Sure Jake the Flake. We will get Bird to resign for something he did, what 70 years ago. You sure do hold a grudge, don’t you. Larry Craig committed his sin a couple of months ago, in case you don’t remember.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:11 pmDo we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger
A terrorist regime already has a bomb. That terrorist regime is the Bush Crime Family.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIt’s just Jake up to his old tricks trying to derail threads, guess he had a sex change or something.
The rest of the senate needs to wait the hell up on the GW666 gonna destroy the world with war drum beat.
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 5:12 pmRobert Byrd, perhaps one of the last great american patriots in Congress admonishes 72 of his spineless, kook-aid drinking comerades in Congress. They should all be ashamed of themselves for their ’sleepwalking’ this country to it’s self-destruction. And, yes, Hillary voted “for it” this time, too. This time she won’t have the crutch to use of “bbbbut Bush lied to us”. It’s over for Hillary now.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhat do you think about them apples?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
I think that’s hilarious. The best thing that could happen to the Dem party would be for Craig to continue to hold his seat…. wide stance or not. He’s become a poster-boy for the Republican party and would be a great reminder when the next election rolls around. He has already been convicted by his peers, the govt has no credibility so it’s opinion is meaningless.
Do we want a terrorist regime to have the bomb or not?
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 4, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Now you’re just cherry picking. I guess the answer you’re looking for is “No, we don’t want a terrorist regime (with lots of OIL) to have the bomb”. So N. Korea is fine. btw, by definition the U.S. govt has become a terrorist regime. Hypocrisy anyone?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pmLarry Craig committed his sin a couple of months ago, in case you don’t remember.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 4, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
the one we know about. Hastert and the rest of the fat whores on the right have been covering up perverts and child-molesters in the GOP for many years.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pmExcept for terrorist suicide bombers, right TheToonGuy?
Comment by Rory
Wow Jake the Flake, I didn’t know we had terrorist suicide bombers in the United States. When did that happen?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pmSomeone’s been watching too much “24″
October 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pmA bigger worry, would be Pakistan handing over one of its bombs to terrorists, then Iran. Especially since Iran doesn’t have any.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pmAnd if Iran got the bomb, exactly what are they going to do with it? It’s not like they have any means of delivering it to a North American target.
Comment by TheToonGuy — October 4, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
And if they did use it, they know we would turn Iran to a glass slag heap, since we have enough to destroy the world 3 times overjust in our arsenal. ( Just thinking about the fact idiot Bush has access to the buttons scares the crap out of me )
October 4th, 2007 at 5:16 pmtoo late, North Korea already has it.
Comment by Wayne
And so does Israel.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI sent Harry Reid an e-mail telling him what I thought of his voting for the amendment. He sent back an email that really pissed me off telling me all about how worried we should be about all the harm that Iran may be doing in Iraq. Comment by bilbobaggins — October 4, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Did you try calling him a Right Wing Loon…..? ;)
October 4th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by Krazny — October 4, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Get real, what does Pakistan have that the U.S. wants? Oh right, OBL… he’s just a man remember? The terror thingy is just a smokescreen.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:16 pmRoger_Roger: Just for the record, what constitutes a “terrorist regime” in your book? Could it be a nation who aggressively invades another sovereign nation for it’s oil be considered a terrorist? Or perhaps it might be a nation who has been the only nation to use nukes to kill an entire race of people? Maybe that’s the litmus test to determine what constitutes a “terrorist regime”? Certainly, this country could qualify under both definitions of the terms. Other than that, I guess it’s time for you to “fold ‘em” because as the saying goes: “you’re flat busted”.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:17 pmlets bomb antarctica while we are at it.Those melting mass of ice are the biggest terrorist in the world. Damn u antarctica.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhat do you think about them apples?
Um, you got us! LOL. The ACLU defends EVERYONE’S rights, dipshit. That’s what the ACLU is all about. That’s why they will defend terrorists and all manner of free speech issues and bad people.
THAT is the difference between you and us. We can be professionals and just do our freaking jobs.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pmIn the meantime, don’t look now, but here comes an appeal from Sen. Larry Craig. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed an amicus curiae brief
Well, don’t that beat all. Larry Craig spends his career bashing the ACLU, but is happy to have them come to his aid in his time of need. It’s too bad that the ACLU doesn’t discriminate against people who have bashed them in the past.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI wonder if Byrd ever wielded a saber. Just sayin…
October 4th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhat “straight patriot†are you talking about? You ain’t one of those Good Ol’ Boys from down South, are you? Are you in that NeoNazi picture someone posted yesterday too?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I’m talking about Byrd, a non-homosexual patriot, as opposed to the closetted hypocrites of the right, on your side. Good ol’ boys from down south are child-molesting, bigotted, ignorant cowards, otherwise known as Republicans.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWTF does Larry Craig or the ACLU have to do with Byrd, the Senate or Iran?
C’mon, folks, DNFTT. If you’re going to engage in whack-a-troll, at least keep them on topic.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmDid you try calling him a Right Wing Loon…..? ;)
Comment by Keltoi
Why would I do that. I hold that compliment for the people who really are Right Wing Loons, just like you. BTW, do you have any idea where I got that phrase from?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmOr perhaps it might be a nation who has been the only nation to use nukes to kill an entire race of people?Certainly, this country could qualify under both definitions of the terms.
Comment by Veritas — October 4, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Which “entire race” did we kill again….?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmtoo late, North Korea already has it.
Comment by Wayne
And so does Israel.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 4, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Yeah, we must bomb Israel now.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmGee, so many to bomb, so little time /snark
These were very ominous and foreboding words of Senator Byrd’s and I fear that he, like a growing majority of americans, realize that if we couldn’t do things right in Iraq, what in the hell makes us think that we can do something at all in Iran? One botched war certainly doesn’t make the case for another unless you’re just an imperialist bully.
Imperialism has been rebuked by this country for decades yet Bush continues his imperialistic march toward insanity and self-destruction. Some people have a death wish, I suppose and it’s very sad to think that one profoundly psychiatrically ill individual with his finger on the trigger can take down what was once the greatest country in the world. It’s happening, folks.
Time to get back to digging those bomb shelters from the 50’s I guess.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pmKeltoi: American History 101 is a good place for you to start.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI wonder if Byrd ever wielded a saber. Just sayin…
Comment by lefty — October 4, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
I am pretty sure he served with Lee at Gettysberg….
October 4th, 2007 at 5:21 pmEver hear of Hiroshima, Keltoi?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:21 pmSo, Veritas, you are not going to vote for Hillary Clinton if she’s the Democratic candidate for President?
Comment by Rory
Hi Jake the Flake - what business is that of yours?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAt least he served and is serving his country, which I suspect, dear Keltoi troll is far more than you’ve ever done or ever could hope to do in your lifetime.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHi Bilbo: Nice catch there! thanks!
October 4th, 2007 at 5:23 pmKeltoi: American History 101 is a good place for you to start.
Comment by Veritas — October 4, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Right. There it will detail the sad fate of the entire “race” of Hiroshimites and Nagasakians. Bikini was populated by Polynesians - not a “race”.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:23 pmRory says he’s a “card carrying member of the ACLU.”
Five minutes later he says, “I support doing away with the ACLU as well: “Keep Your Enemies Close.â€
Yesterday, he continually demonstrated his total disdain for the facts on about everything he weighed in on.
Is there any reason at all to respond to anything this lunatic says? I don’t think so, but if he ever posts anything with the slightest bit of independent thought, maybe I’ll change my mind.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDid you try calling him a Right Wing Loon…..? ;)
Comment by Keltoi
Why would I do that. I hold that compliment for the people who really are Right Wing Loons, just like you. BTW, do you have any idea where I got that phrase from?
I still love you too, Bilbo. I thought you might call him that since I said something very similar and got the RWL award from you.
I’ll bite, where’d you get it from?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pmComment by Veritas — October 4, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Keltoi is busily serving his country-to the Chinese, Indians, Koreans and Saudis, a piece at a time. The right wing is selling off America o the lowest bidders, because it’s a;ways about party over country, or the old repuke standby “I’ve got mine, so f*ck you”. They’re even losing military support in large numbers.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:25 pmHi Wayne - were you able to write any music last night? It’s not like there’s a shortage of things to write about after all!
Comment by margaret — October 4, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Yeah, actually wrote one about trolls and one about Limburger.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:26 pmAt work and left my notes at home tho =)
I’ll bite, where’d you get it from?
Comment by Keltoi
Make it “Left Wing Loon” and maybe it will jog your memory. It’s a favorite phrase by one of your ilk’s talking heads.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pmRet. Col Jack: Nope, none at all. That’s why I never engage directly with a moronic, impotent troll. They have nothing to contribute to any discussion and their attempts at hijacking are quite comical. Guess they do service a purpose for all of us here though and that would be comic relief! nyuk nyuk
October 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSo, you think that KKK Grand Wizards are not bigots?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Current, or those who saw the light 50 years ago, admitted their mistake, and apologized, like grownups? Which are you talking about? Are you cutely referring to the very young Byrd, who was smart enough to renounce and denounce the racist vermin of the KKK? Or are you referring to your fascist mouthpieces like Rush and Sean, who are honorary members? Or are you just raising another of your brigade of straw men, since you are on the wrong side of every issue that matters to real Americans? Which is it, loser?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFirst, I not a woman. Now I’m not even a member of the ACLU? I thought you guys were the reality-based side. I can see now you just make up whatever you want to believe. Eye-opening.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Excellent projection, a troll specialty, along with lying and treason.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSo, you think that KKK Grand Wizards are not bigots?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Now Byrd was a Grand Wizard? Are you sure you’re not thinking of Duke? The Republican… remember?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:30 pmAt least he served and is serving his country, which I suspect, dear Keltoi troll is far more than you’ve ever done or ever could hope to do in your lifetime.
Comment by Veritas — October 4, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
The Confederacy was indeed a country, albeit briefly.
KID-DING!! You guys can’t take a joke, can you? Little levity about Ol’ Sheets…
And I’ll let you off the hook Veritas; Hiroshima was populated by Japanese, a nationality, who are part of the HUMAN Race. I get nickeled and dimed to death all the time for little stuff like that, I will try to be less petty.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:30 pmByrd is already 89 years old. He can’t last THAT much longer, right?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Can I assume you’re equally disgusted with Pat Buchanan? Didn’t think so.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIf we can get Larry Craig to resign, can you guys get Robert “KKK†Byrd to resign as well?
Comment by Rory
At least I KNOW that Mr. Byrd WAS a member of the KKK.
MOST if not ALL of today’s GOP are STILL members of that group, they just call them the Council of Concerned Citizens now, you used to be able to go to the website and see Trent Lott, Haley Barbor, and George Allen among others featured on the page before Mr. Lott praised Grand Wizard Strom “the rapist” Thurmond aka Armstrong Williams Grandfather.
Then Mr. Lott went on BET (lol) and said that he was gonna do some “nigra” outreach, and somehow forgot about all that once it died down.
It is so funny to hear Repuppetcans (not to be confused with Conservatives) talk about Robert Byrd being a Klansman, who in today’s GOP ISN’T!! (and that includes the honorary Black ones too)
Oh yea, as a matter of full disclosure I am Black.
My point is this, Repuppetcans need to STFU when it comes to who WAS and who IS a Klansmen, just take your cue from the so called top tiered Repuppetcan candidates.
“I would rather know who my enemy is, than to be sleeping with him/her believing he/she is my friend”
idiot
RIP
October 4th, 2007 at 5:32 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Byrd is already 89 years old. He can’t last THAT much longer, right?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Heck, Strom made it to 96, in spite of fathering a black baby. Byrd is welcome to stay as long as he can, he’s one of the only true American patriots in the Senate any more.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:33 pmTo America:
The rest of the world is very disappointed with you. Stop blogging and do something.
From: people of the rest of the world.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmByrd is already 89 years old. He can’t last THAT much longer, right?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
You lot stuck us with Strom Thurmond until he was 100. I mean, if you want to point fingers at senile old racists.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmBFD Keltoi troll! Do you want the “Miss Picayune of the Year” contest or what. Maybe a medal or at least a chest to pin it on? Such trivial bullshit gets your pulse racing. You catch the drift though and I was just baiting you, dude.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI guess you don’t believe in redemption and forgiveness, Rory. I thought that was part of your Christian value system.
P.S. The kids are hungry.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHeck, Strom made it to 96, (sic)
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 4, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Strom died in 92, they just kept running his corpse until it decayed to much.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:35 pm“WTF does Larry Craig or the ACLU have to do with Byrd, the Senate or Iran?”
Thank you.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:35 pmBait and switch…..hijack and blather…..that’s about all any empty headed, narrow minded, sinular vision troll can do is to parse words and attempt to hijack the conversation. Doesn’t work here troll. It’s precisely how we know you’re a drivel-spewing, piss-soaked troll - by baiting you with the trivia.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:36 pmNow that we’ve outed Rory and Keltoi……next!!
October 4th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThank you, Dave C. I stand corrected; perhaps I was thinking of someone else ebcause Wikipedia does not list Byrd as a Grand Wizard
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Never let facts or research get in the way of making your point. Remember, facts do have a liberal bias. That’s why GWB avoids them so adamantly. And a lie that is repeated often enough is remembered just as well as the truth.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIt’s pretty sad that Senator Byrd who has served this country admirably and is, obviously, functioning with an elder’s somewhat compromised synaptic activity, is yet “smart enough” to admit to the truth of the level of amorality of our entire Congress. He’s spiritually astute enough to recognize that our own death knell is sounding and people aren’t listening. Clearly, we’ve all been fed decades of chest-thumping grandiosities about ourselves which will be to our detriment when we are clearly falling to the bottom of the heap internationally.
Other than the brits (and now Bush has bashed them for pulling out of Iraq), we will be left twisting in the wind. Internationally our credibility is shot; nationally, the credibility of this administration is non-existent and they continue to reach new lows with each passing day.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:41 pmRory, Byrd wrote those words before most of us were even born. Even you.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:41 pmPatrick Buchanan wasn’t in the KKK.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
I didn’t say he was. You’re splitting hairs now. He’s a racist ba$stard. I thought that was something you were against. Or do you just make points to see if anyone else cares? I’m guessing that being a member of the KKK isn’t something that means much to you… you’re hoping it means something to liberals. This is just a replay of the Rush/phony soldier debate. You argue for the sake of hearing your own voice… you have no real conviction when it comes to these issues. If you did, you’d be ashamed of the state of your country.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:41 pmToday Bush’s numbers plummeted once again! I think he’s going for the high teens to mid twenties - to match his IQ as well as his level of personal maturity.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:42 pmNo, when you out a troll, it’s called “winning”.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:43 pmmargaret, it’s a mystery, that’s for sure. They’ve got a 70% mandate and they are squandering it.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:44 pmMargaret: Yes, perhaps it’s because Byrd has reached his twilight years and has had a spiritual renewal. It often occurs during a life-threatening illness or the personal maturation process. He’s finally found a “conscience” and a “soul” - something most of Congress agreed to sell to the devil when they supported this heinous Lieberman/Kyle amendment.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:44 pmJust pointing out that Rory is Jake the Fake people, Troll Supreme, see how he gets you off topic with his BS. I knew Rory was Jake with it’s first post, so obvious and predictable.
As always I suggest not responding to “it”, if “it” were able to stay on topic then maybe, but I don’t suggest it.
Ignore the “it”
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 5:45 pmHi Candyce: I have no clue how they can be so spineless - amoebas, all of them.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBuckie Boy: We all know it’s Jake the snake. He hasn’t a clue as to how to change his typing sequence, mannerisms, or writing style to even make it fun to guess.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:46 pmComment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Nice paste job of Byrd’s Klan activities from Wikipedia. But you forgot the last part:
“Byrd also said, in 2005, ‘I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.’ ”
Now can we drop the Byrd-KKK connection and focus on what he said about Iran?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:46 pmHey, Veritas (do we know each other from somewhere else?)
A great first step, that would have held everyone’s feet to the fire and forced them all to put their money where there mouths are, literally, was the Obey war tax. He got shot down by leadership, and I think that’s disgusting. Leadership is enabling Bush.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI ask again, Rory. Do you believe in redemption and forgiveness?
Or are you going to keep ignoring me (what a coincidence!)? Sorry I’ve exposed your poor debate tactics and outright lies. Forgive me please?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:54 pmWhich “entire race†did we kill again….?
Comment by Keltoi
Race to a peaceful world.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI obviously dispute that Patrick Buchanan is a racist ba$stard (he sat next to that Smailey character on “Meet the Press†just fine)
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Well that is the litmus test for racism eh? I guess all it would take for you to believe that Byrd is ok is to see him sit next to that “Smailey character” or similar. Hmmm, ok. Some well thought out stuff going on there.
btw, name the person who said this…
“Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him.”
or this…
“Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.”
October 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pmTwo VERY excellent op/eds today on the subject of Iran:
“We don’t speak to Evil” by Ted Rall
http://tinyurl.com/yt3nmj
And another in the Huffington Post:
“Deconstructing the Mullahs” by Nathan Gonzalez
http://tinyurl.com/ypuy26
MUST READS
October 4th, 2007 at 6:01 pmApparently Reid is only concerned with “how worried we should be about all the harm that Iran may be doing in Iraqâ€. How can he be so clued-out?
Sigh.
Comment by margaret
That’s what is so frustrating. It’s what Iran may be doing in Iraq. Henry obviously didn’t learn from the lead-up to Iraq. He is still easily fooled by the Moron in Chief. How about demanding some proof Harry! I wish the Democrats would kick Harry to the curb and give his job to Russ Feingold. Then we would see some results.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmHenry–>Harry
October 4th, 2007 at 6:03 pmI obviously dispute that Patrick Buchanan is a racist ba$stard (he sat next to that Smailey character on “Meet the Press†just fine) or that there’s anything to be ashamed about our country.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Neither of the statements you posted has anything to do with the truth. Buchanan is a racist bastard, but he is also a vain, arrogant self-promoter, and would happily sit next to Pol Pot if it would get his hysterical rantings on television. If you are not ashamed of the trashing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for no good reason, then there is no hope for you, and we can only wish that you will grow a brain and a conscience at some point. But that’s because we’re liberals. If we weren’t, we’d want to see you hanged as a traitor for supporting the treason of the Bush Crime Syndicate.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:03 pmI obviously dispute that Patrick Buchanan is a racist ba$stard
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
I forgot. This should have been obvious because, as you said the other day, you’re an admitted water carrier for the Republican party. Here I expected independent, objective thinking as topics come up. My bad.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pmMUST READS
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 4, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Thanks, Annie. Both excellent reads.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pmMy pleasure, Candyce. ;o)
October 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pmTalk is one thing, Rory, and very often, ACTIONS are another thing entirely.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmRory you little devil you said good by on the other thread.
Newsweek had a great article quoted Commander Fallon of CentCom who was refusing to send more ships into the area. The article went on to say the military (well some of them ) are actually trying to stand down. Wouldn’t that be incredible if the good guys risked their careers and retirement for the good of America. Unlike Gen Betrayus.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWait a second, Dave C. Are you the one who points out that Saddam was no physical threat to the U.S.? You can’t fault Buchanan for pointing out the same as to Hitler.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Get real. Buchanan admires Hitler. He points out the traits that he espouses. Big difference between saying someone is not a threat. And of course he vehemently denies being a racist and/or anti-semite. If that’s all it takes to convince you then you don’t need much convincing… at least from a Republican of course. You totally ignore Byrd’s apologies for his acts as a younger man. But you & I both know that you don’t really give a shit… IOKIYAR ya know.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“Are you the one who points out that Saddam was no physical threat to the U.S.? You can’t fault Buchanan for pointing out the same as to Hitler.”
That takes the cake for willful ignorance, tantamount to treason. Hitler had all the means to attack the American mainland if not stopped, and nearly succeeded in doing so. A formidable army, navy and air force, munitions, hundreds of manufacturing facilities, etc., etc. Saddam had exactly none of the above. Zero. Zip. No WMD, no nuclear program, no navy, no air force, a destroyed army. And you thugs still can’t beat them, even after killing him and his sons. You, rory, are a greater danger to America than Osama Bin Laden, because of your willingness to throw all that’s good about us down the chute for the lies of a sociopath and his greedy arms-dealers.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhy don’t you Dems vote for him instead?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
What’s he running for? Do you have a clue?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThe only votes Buchanan ever got were by mistake.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmBuchanan vehemently denies the charges he is racist or anti-Semite. Rory
Well, then, I guess that takes care of that. Just like Rush denying he said what was very clear in tapes of his interview and transcripts of his interview weren’t really what he said.
Are you that easily led? (that is a rhetorical question, btw)
October 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSomeone please break Bush’s fingers so he has to push the button with his nose. Oh never mind he will find a stooge to do it, why that would be Gen Betrayus.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmWouldn’t that be incredible if the good guys risked their careers and retirement for the good of America. Unlike Gen Betrayus.
Comment by texaslady — October 4, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
It is a stunning testament to the political devolution of this country that the most effective anti-war movement in America is inside the walls of the Pentagon or buried deep in the bowels of the CIA! - Billmon, Whiskey Bar blog, 2006
October 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmRory does Capt Mantastic let you use his cape now and then ?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAs for Hitler having “courage,†didn’t Bill Mahr say the same thing about the 19 hi-jackers on 9/11?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
I dunno. Did he? If so, how did the Republicans react to that? About the same way you react to Buchanan saying that Hitler had courage?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRory - being right on ONE issue is not enough to make me want to vote for someone, much less a rightwing lunatic like Pat Buchanan.
Hell, even a stopped clock is right once every 12 hours……
October 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRory - this sentiment will probably make your little rightwing head explode, but here goes:
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
It’s all in how you look at it, eh…?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pm>>BFD Keltoi troll!
You seem angry, Veritas…
>>Do you want the “Miss Picayune of the Year†contest or what.
Huhh?
>>You catch the drift though and I was just baiting you, dude.
Comment by Veritas — October 4, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Baiting me how? But whatever, I knew what you were saying, as a “troll” (Never quite figured out the definiton of that term, I think it means someone who disagrees with the majority of TPers) I can’t make a single tiny error like yours without getting jumped on. It is annoying when done to me, I shouldn’t indulge in doing it to others.
BTW, how did you “out” me? Don’t get it.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIn fact, he argued it was a useless war based on deception and imperialism, largely fought to defend Israeli interests and the interests of American oil firms. Why don’t you Dems vote for him instead?
Comment by Rory
Ok Jake, pay attention. I’ll try to go slow so maybe you will be able to keep up. Buchanan is not running for anything so who can vote for him? Also, just because he is right on Iraq DOES NOT usurp the fact that he is wrong on just about everything else.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYes, Buchanan is a racist.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:21 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 08/ 22/ buchanan-white-dominance/
Rory/Jake thinks that he can vote for Buchanan in 2008. Who knows, the way the voting machines will be rigged, maybe he can.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:21 pmRory just called Obama a terrorist. Wow, what a racist pig.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:23 pmMake it “Left Wing Loon†and maybe it will jog your memory. It’s a favorite phrase by one of your ilk’s talking heads.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 4, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Ah! Gotcha. I will then assume you say it “with all due respect”…?
But wait - are you telling me you actually watch the show? That would make us ilk brothers….nah, can’t be.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:23 pmJRaokrey is obviously thinking about voting for JAMES BUCHANAN. One of the great presidential failures, in the Bush mode.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmNo, I’m thinking
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Stop right there. Once you begin a sentence with a lie the rest is meaningless.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIt’s always so ironic when christians disavow anti-semitism. For centuries, people have been calling Jews “christ-killers.” Where did they get that idea? Pograms, forced expulsions, torture, execution - all at the hands of christians, is the direct result of the slander of Jews in the bible. Romans crucified tens of thousands before him and would go on to crucify tens of thousands after him, but in this one case, the military governor said, “you decide.” Sure, that’s real believable. And, Roman histories show that this particular governor, Pontius Pilot, was recalled to Rome by NERO of all people for excess brutality in Palestine. It’s always been a crock and it’s still a crock of bull. And it’s the story which is singlularly responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhy? We already have a whole raft of anti-war Democrats running for President.
Why should we draft a right wing nutjob?
Do try not to say such incredibly stupid things, ok?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmNo, I’m thinking the anti-war Democrats should draft PATRICK J. Buchanan.
Comment by Rory
Jake, you truly are a moron. I’m done with acknowledging your existence. Perhaps we should all do that. But, then Jake will come back as some new identity like, say, Monica.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pmByrd may be a repentant, former KKK; he may be a faltering old man who suffers from tremors, and because of that he is often tolerated, then mocked and dismissed.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:37 pmDespite his faults, he is an astute scholar of the Congress, he has seen it all, and he makes sense when he speaks. He warned of the consequences of Iraq and he is warning now of the consequences in Iran. People should pay attention.
I am “a greater danger to America†than Obama, even though I have ZERO means of bring down two skyscrapers? Interesting.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
all Bush voters had a hand in bringing down the WTC and the Pentagon.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:38 pmBut, then Jake will come back as some new identity like, say, Monica.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 4, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
He should just choose Slug and stick with it, since that is more accurate.
But then again, Shakey is never accurate about anything.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI am “a greater danger to America†than Obama, even though I have ZERO means of bring down two skyscrapers? Interesting.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Notice how Rory makes the Faux News “accidental” usage of Obama in place of Osama. Don’t you have any originality at all, Ro?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:43 pmRemember, everyone, the same people who constantly bring up something Byrd has publically apologized for on many, many occasions, supported and just looovvved Strom Thurman. That’s just one reason you know they’re simply full of bull.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:44 pmdid you know that he is the only Senator to have voted against the nominations of BOTH Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas, the only two African Americans to have been nominated to the United States Supreme Court?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Straight out of Wiki again. Don’t you have any independent knowledge of anything, Ro?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmhe is the only Senator to have voted against the nominations of BOTH Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas, the only two African Americans to have been nominated to the United States Supreme Court?
The only one? Really? And this proves what, exactly? That he was wrong on Marshall and right on Thomas?
October 4th, 2007 at 6:46 pmThe Pentagon is still standing. Don’t tell me you are one of those conspiracy guys who think there was no plane that hit the Pentagon and that Bush planted explosives at the WTC?
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Perhaps you will enlighten us on the lack of video from one of 80 cameras trained on the Pentagon on that day. Bush failed to defend against an attack on the PENTAGON! Says everything we need to know about his competence, experience and intelligence. You can believe every lie and tale from his White House, I know better.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:49 pmTwo VERY excellent op/eds today on the subject of Iran.
MUST READS
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 4, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Thanks for the links. I agree…must reads. Scott Ritter also has an excellent piece at commondreams.com. “Iraq will have to wait”.
The truth about Iran’s reactions to 911 and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan are historical FACTS. The news people and people in congress must have read this history. How can they persist with this ridiculous story of a crazy, nuke toting, pro al Qaeda Iran.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:50 pmWe need a political solution to diffuse this madness that Bush and the neocons are pushing. The Iranian people held candle light vigils after 911….they are potential friends of America if we would stop threatening to attack them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Robert_Byrd#Race_and_race_relations
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Nice try, you devious lying prick. He was characterizing white people. F*ck off, now, I’m done with your antiAmerican, jingoistic bullshit. You’re trash.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pmok, time to exit this thread. Ro is back to sharing her sexual fantasies. eww.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:55 pmBush was in FLORIDA when the Pentagon was attacked. What was he personally supposed to do afterwards?
You stupid f*ck, he was supposed to prevent it. Gore would have prevented it.
You’re flushed, and an idiot of colossal proportions. Never seen anybody so eager to fellate a traitor and his band of traitors like you are.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:55 pmLies and slander, no facts, no truth from the rightards. Time to get rid of them. Push them out of government, out of power, out of the way. they are far too dangerous to have any sway in a free country.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:58 pmRory….Scott Ritter may have been wrong about Burger King, I don’t know what kind of “Kill the messenger” angle you are proposing…but he was Absolutely RIGHT about WMDs in Iraq…and he is absolutely right about Iran too.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:05 pmWould the 9-11 attack have happened if the election hadn’t been stolen from Gore? Well, there is one thing I believe we can be sure of - a President Gore would have accepted the recommendations of his own Gore Commission. Have we forgotten the Gore Commission? Among the many recommendations were reinforced cockpit doors, armed air marshals on all commercial flights and heavily increased check-in security. As soon as Gore made the commission’s recommendations public, the airline industry ran to their republican friends in congress who disregarded the commission out of hand. If any one of Gore’s suggestions had been implimented, the attack might not have happened at all or at least it would have been much less severe. That’s history folks. We forget it. We repeat it.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:06 pmCol. Jack, wasn’t there also a comprehensive report from the Clinton administration about Osama that they handed over to the incoming Bushies, and they were told, “thanks, but no thanks. we’ll take it from here.”
I think Mitchell was head of the group that compiled it - I need to go look it up now or it will bug me all night.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:09 pmRory…a lot of people were right about Iraq. A lot of people weren’t sure, which is why Hans Blix should have been allowed to do his job.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:11 pmClearly, Bush and the neocons were WRONG….big time!
The story of the outgoing Clinton admin assessment of the terror threat, and al Qaeda in particular, and how the Bush administration ignored it.
http://www.time.com/ time/ magazine/ article/ 0,9171,333890,00.html
October 4th, 2007 at 7:17 pmClearly, Bush and the neocons were WRONG….big time!
Comment by Badger — October 4, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
No, they weren’t. They knew exactly what they were doing & exactly what to expect. GHWB had said it would be a mistake to take Baghdad, so did Cheney. There were absolutely no surprises for Bush/Cheney. The Iraq war is going exactly they way they hoped.
They also don’t give a shit whether Iran has nukes, or has nuke ambitions. They have their own agenda and it has little to do with what they say, and even less to do with the welfare of the U.S.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:19 pmDave C: “The Iraq war is going exactly they way they hoped.”
Naomi Kline has written a book about this. It’s called “Disaster Capitalism.” It’s all about corporate profits and eviscerating civil democratic government.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:30 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — October 4, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Actually the “plan” involves more then just the war(s) in the Middle East. They’re trying to dismantle much of the support system & programs in the U.S. It’s called starving the beast. Nothing they’d like better then to do away with Medicare in all of its forms, Social Security, unemployment insurance etc. If they put the country in such a bad fiscal situation they might be able to do away with all of these social programs.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:33 pmDave C….I can’t claim to know what was in the minds of Cheney’s Vulcans and his neocon advisers… but I believe they were all Conned by Ahmed Chalibi and the Iraqi exiles who convinced Bush that toppling Saddam would be a cakewalk, and that the Iraqi’s would become a democratic ally of America. Their lack of troop strength and post war planning makes me think they were all surprised when the insurgency took off.
This war is all but destroying Bush’s republican party. Why would they want that???
October 4th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThis war is all but destroying Bush’s republican party. Why would they want that???
Comment by Badger — October 4, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
First of all, you’re assuming that the next election will be a clean one & every vote will be counted. Why should that be the case?
Second, if there is an attack on Iran in 2008 & martial law is declared maybe there won’t be an election at all. I wouldn’t be so sure that you’ll see a Democrat sitting in the President’s chair soon.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:38 pmbtw, I can’t claim to know what Cheney is thinking either. But here’s what he thought in 1993…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MePwb6TEk
I find it hard to believe that one man changed his opinion. And the fact that they were unprepared for the war can also be proof of the allegations that I’m making… that they wanted the war to make the U.S. near bankrupt. Starve the beast. Do a search on Google for those 3 words.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:40 pmAnd when I claim that Bush was wrong about Iraq…I was specifically refering to the IMMINENT THREAT argument. With no WMDs, there was nothing to secretly hand out to terrorists.. and therefore no imminent threat to America. Therefore there was no justification for attacking a country that had not attacked us.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:40 pmbtw, one other method used to Starve the Beast is to cut taxes to reduce revenues in order to justify cutting social programs.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pmthat they wanted the war to make the U.S. near bankrupt.
Comment by Dave C — October 4, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Interesting. Bin Laden wants to make the U.S. bankrupt too.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:50 pmJust look at the many ways Bush is needlessly spending cash. How many billions have just been misplaced in Iraq? How many thousands of weapons gone missing? How many Halliburton contracts overpriced? How much cash tossed away on Blackwater? He can’t be that incompetent.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmDave C. I agree that Bush and the Republicans have allowed Billions of unaccounted dollars to flow to politically connected private contractors in Iraq. The Rolling Stone Magazine had a great exposee’ ” the Great Iraq Swindle”".
BUT….If the Iraqi’s had showered us with flowers and played nice like Chalabi and the Iraqi Exiles were predicting….Bush could have handed out these very same contracts to his very same cronies.
October 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pmH/T to Nicole at C&L for Craig’s new name….”Tappy McWideStance”.
October 4th, 2007 at 8:25 pmNice speech Byrd… Might have save our asses.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pmSen. Byrd was absolutely correct in Oct. 2002, and today — exactly five years later — he distinguished himself again. Thanks for the excellent speech.
What stoppers do we have to prevent Bush and Cheney from starting a War against Iran?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pmSorry O. Bigfoot
But the Good Senator has not been a Klansman for some time now. To assert such rhetoric, as you have, would suggest that in someway your history has a revision to it that has not released for the general public.
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on topic:
What are the odds that Byrd would vote to convict on at least one count if Pelosi relented her death-grip on her purse and went out and bought US a Table?
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October 5th, 2007 at 2:26 am#212 - “The Klan have always considered Jews to be one of their worst enemies.” Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 5, 2007 @ 12:18 am
Which explains Sen. Thurmonds animosity towards blacks, gays AND jews!
Go figure! I guess when the racist Democrats realized the “tide was a-changing”, they became Republicans: the new party of the KKK.
Remember, Sen. Byrd has aologized for his racist past. Sen. Thurmond never did at all.
October 5th, 2007 at 7:44 am#215 - “The ruminations of an old racist Democrat are of little importance. But you liberals go ahead and hold this (former) Klansman up as your avatar of truth. He represents you very well.” Comment by Godfather2 — October 5, 2007 @ 8:08 am
Not quite as well as the now-dead-but-still-racist Sen. Thurmond remains the standard bearer for the Republican party. He still represents the core constituency of the neo-con cabal.
I guess you really DO like getting reamed by me, GF2! No problems, I’m happy to oblige!
October 5th, 2007 at 8:26 amThis is a perfect example of how our policy is shaped by our support for Israel.
If you haven’t read Mearsheimer’s book you can check out his brief albeit funny interview with Stephen Colbert -
http://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=8d8cac1b-eb1a-40f5-8d86-94288a4a4b0f
October 5th, 2007 at 10:09 am