Clear Channel Rejects VoteVets Ad Because It ‘Conflicts’ With Listeners Who Tune Into Rush
Clear Channel Rejects VoteVets Ad Because It ‘Conflicts’ With Listeners Who Tune Into Rush
Rush Limbaugh’s hometown radio station that broadcasts his show — WJNO AM in Palm Beach, Florida — has refused to air a VoteVets ad by Brian McGough, the Iraq war veteran who was compared by Limbaugh to a suicide bomber.
John Hunt, the vice president/market manager for Clear Channel in Palm Beach, wrote a letter yesterday explaining his station’s decision not air McGough’s ad. Hunt’s rationale was not that the ad was inaccurate or that it posed legal issues, but rather, the ad presented information that “would conflict with the listeners who have chosen to listen to Rush Limbaugh.”
Read the full letter here.
Last night on Countdown, McGough issued this challenge to Limbaugh: “Ask me or any other members of VoteVets.org to come on your program and talk to you and tell you how we feel.” But Limbaugh is desperately trying to hide behind his microphone where he can launch verbal assaults without having to defend them.
Here’s the radio ad that Clear Channel doesn’t want you to hear:
In the ad, McGough says, “Rush Limbaugh called vets like me ‘phony soldiers’ for telling the truth.” He continues:
Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head, was real. … My belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq, is real. Until you have the guts to call me a phony soldier to my face, stop telling lies about my service.
UPDATE: Call Clear Channel in Palm Beach at 561-616-6600 and tell them to air the VoteVets ad.
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IM SHOCKED! sarcasm ON.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:59 amGod forbid they hear an alternative, challenging opinion! Just like good loyal Bushies.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:00 amBecause his listeners should never be subject to the truth or critical thinking. They wouldn't be able to call themselves dittoheads.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:03 amNot to sound like I support Rush, because I can't stand that fat tub of goo, but doesn't this just make sense? I mean, why would they put an anti-Rush ad DURING his show? Clear channel, like anything else in this country, is a business.
Let's be a little more objective here.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:03 amIs it really anti-Rush, or is it a challenge to Rush's version of the truth?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:04 am#5...Because Rush Limbaugh is in the 'Controversy business''. It would be a brilliant move on their part, but Clear Channel is even more beholden to their right-wing agenda than they are profits.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:08 amActually, I think what VoteVets did was pretty clever.
You'd know going in that Clear Channel isn't going to run these spots, but by making CC reject them, VoteVets gets almost as much publicity for their cause as they would have if CC had run them.
Yes, it would have been nice if Rush's core audience had had to listen to them, but this is almost as good, at no cost, and CC can't stop the story.
Kinda like when Pearl Jam got "censored" and that moment became a bigger story than the performance itself.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:10 amwhat a fucking coward john hunt is. says tons about the audience that clear channel appeals to.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:10 am"Conflict" with the listeners? Is that like "cause cognitive dissonance?" WTF?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:10 amWhat this does, however, is open Clear Channel to cries of hypocrisy if at any time, they aired an ad during a show that ran in conflict to the stated agenda of the show.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amI'm not sure if this information is still accurate but here is RUSH LIMBAUGH'S HOME ADDRESS: 1495 N OCEAN BLV PALM BEACH
I say the soldiers protest at his home. Stand there and wait for him, so you can force him to face you.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:13 amI guess Clear Channel is afraid of Rush listeners going into vapor lock. Because there are no dissenting views on that show (and, apparently, you can't even PAY to have a dissenting view on that show), listeners would be quite stunned to hear one that wasn't cut off by Rush.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:15 am>“Conflict†with the listeners? Is that like “cause cognitive dissonance?â€
Hahahah .. YES! you are correct sir!
and don't forget, Rush wasnt talking about any real soldiers being phony...well...except for Murtha. And also none of the troll squad have gotten back to me yet on whether Hagel is both a traitor, as rush called him, AND a phony soldier, or just a traitor. Because Rush hasnt explained to the masses yet exactly whether Hagel is a phony traitor, or just a traitor.
Yet somehow, Rush isnt running down any real soldiers..
(bZZZt!!!....Does NOT COMPUTE!!! DOES NOT COMPUTE)
you know what, its inane, but screw it.. woudl you rather listen to endless blather about "knappy headed hos"?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amI say the soldiers protest at his home. Stand there and wait for him, so you can force him to face you.
Exactly - they could show him their battle scars, and he could show them where his pilonidal cyst was ...
October 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amMcGough has called Limbaugh out, and Limbaugh being the worm he is, is hiding under a rock.
Limbaugh, it's simple, have McGough or Soltz on your show.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amAgain, RUSH LIMBAUGH'S HOME ADRESS:
1495 N. Ocean Blvd. Palm Beach, FL 33480
Link: Proof Of Address
Again, I think we should protest hoe (politely) where he lives. If it's a gating community, then stand outside the gates. I'm not saying to barge in. But surround the gated community and protest!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amOpps. "protest hoe" = "protest him". I swear that was an accidental spelling error.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:18 amprotest at the front of his gated community.. that will make all his neighbors love him !
October 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amNotice how all the "pro Rush" postes have slowly faaded away?
I guess they've got no "staying power".
Either that, or Rush hasn't fed them their opinions lately. Naw, that can't be it! Rush is just FULL of opinions that he spoon-feeds his right-whining lemming "audeince".
October 4th, 2007 at 10:20 amClear channel, like anything else in this country, is a business.
Comment by JustAGI — October 4, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Yes, and they are in the business of selling ads.
Logically, I agree with your contention, but I feel RoS hits the nail on the head. Considering McGough took a peice of shrapnel to his head as a soldier, he's going to be a little more difficult to ignore.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amThe Dittohead listener's heads' might explode.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amMy day won't start without Rory's daily rimjob for Rush. Come on Rory, delight us with your impeccable palette, revealing what fancy restaurant Rush dined at last night and what sumptuous dish he devoured! Rory can tell you all that from just a nibble on Rush's elephantine dingleberries.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amI guess this sort of proves that the whole garbage that Rush spouts about conservative ideas winning in the free marketplace is only true because they own the marketlace and won't allow other ideas to compete.
Break up the media monopoly. Go back to limiting the number of stations that a company can own in a market.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:22 amComment by AnonymousByChoice — October 4, 2007 @ 10:17 am
As much as I would like to see this it would only feed into Rush' ego. He'd use it as proof the left is looney. I'd much rather see him get hit where it hurts. In his pocket book (and probably his medicine cabinet as well).
Clear Channel has a right to exclude any ad they want. It is telling that they would rather not upset Rush listeners with an opposing veiw. Especially one as substantial as McGough's.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:24 amWell, gee whiz! What happened to all that "free speech" BS the trolls were shoveling regarding ClearChannel's "heroic decision to preserve Mr. Limbaugh's freedom of speech"?
By a crazy coincidence, the only trolls who have dared to touch this thread so far are of the parody variety.
Trolls? C'mon...we want to hear you try to defend this one. Turn on your computer mics so we can listen to your heads exploding from all the cognitive dissonance. ^_^
October 4th, 2007 at 10:27 amIt is not as bad as you make it sound. Clear Channel refused to run the ad during the Rush Limbaugh Show. Not as unreasonable. Now, you need to follow up with spots before or just after the show. Let them refuse those. Then with spots at times further away form the show. Now they really look like idiots.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:27 amRush only allows dissenting views when he has control of the mike. The last thing he wants is for someone to speak during his show & say something that he can't cut off. He's just like O'Reilly. Maybe they should do an O'Reilly hit piece & have the tv stations show up at Rush's home/office with McGough & confront him on camera. I'd love to see that.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amWhat happens when a soldier stand up to a Neoturd?
The Neoturd soils himself.
You can hide, Rush, but you can't run!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:32 amIt's not an "anti-Rush Limbaugh" ad...it's a "pro-TRUTH" ad. Clear Channel only interprets it as "anti-Rush Limbaugh" because the fat blowhard has so thoroughly declared war on the truth.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:33 amComment by JMOHR
No, it's not all that horrible, just simply more evidence of the investment that fascist corporate America has made in the Republican party. Their profits are tied to the success of the GOP. It's that simple.
Just look at Blackwater. There is a MAJOR conflict of interest going on. The govt investigation report on Blackwater is written by... Blackwater! Wow! And when the FBI goes over there to investigate Blackwater's conduct, the security is provided by... Blackwater! Well isn't that special!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amok now I'm bothered
October 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amThen let's see some opposing views listed here...to make it gosh, Fair and Balanced.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:37 amAre there pro military ads on Air America? You know soldiers that support the war.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:38 amThe ClearChannel people must understand that the Rush audience cannot handle cognitive dissonance without freaking out and maybe thinking about switching the radio to a nice country music station. So it stands to reason that they would not run an ad that calls into question the host. Never mind the facts of who is right or moral; there just wouldn't be a different outcome, would there? I love ThinkProgress very much -- you guys and gals rock -- but we don't need to manufacture rage in this case where there is so much else to point to.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:39 amAre there pro military ads on Air America? You know soldiers that support the war.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 10:38 am
A more relevant question would be "Are there pro-military ads that are not restricted from being played on Air America?".
October 4th, 2007 at 10:40 amAnd of course that's a typo and I meant "that are restricted..."
October 4th, 2007 at 10:41 amMy observations of the average Rush Limbaugh listener is that they are bellicose, belligerent, boorish and always looking for a fight.
They tend towards argument for the sake of argument, and their automatic objection function is permanently switched on.
Kind of like Rush.
In view of this, I would think the radio station owner would welcome a potential on-air confrontation.
His ratings would go through the roof.
Guess he's not much of a business man.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:43 am>Either that, or Rush hasn’t fed them their opinions lately.
Right. He hasnt explained to them exactly how he doesnt say bad things about real soldiers, except when he does says bad things about real soldiers like Hagel and Murtha.
> Are there pro military ads on Air America?'
Dunno, you have a list of all the "pro-military" ads Air America has turned down?
> You know soldiers that support the war.
Ah yes, pro-war = pro-military. sending your soldiers to die so foreigners can gain the right to become an islamic theocracy is certainly supporting the military.
im sure any patriotic citizen of germany in the 1940's would agree wiht you...
October 4th, 2007 at 10:44 amI doubt AA would turn down any advertising as well. I used to love AA - Majority Report (Sam Seder, Garofalo), Marc Maron, Al Franken... now aside from Rachel Maddow it's just watered-down centrist DLC offal. You'll notice that the rightwing no longer demonizes AA anymore, it's not worth the effort. The content just doesn't threaten them anymore.
Mark Green is an idiot. R.I.P. Air America.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:46 amI called Clear Channel, but surely it would be more effective to make our views known to the show's advertisers? Anyone know where to find a list?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:48 amClear Channel airs liberals on their airwaves.
Chocolate...just like a divisive liberal to slant a statement. I never said pro military is pro war. I asked if there were any ads by pro military soldiers, you know, who are for the war.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:49 amAre there pro military ads on Air America? You know soldiers that support the war.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Air America has pro-military content all day long. Support the troops kind of content. Randi Rhodes, for one, former military herself, is pretty pro-military, although probably not in a way that's understood by the right.
However, I wouldn't consider the McGough ad to be anti-war anyway. It's more an ad about one man objecting to being called a phony soldier because of his political views and trying to set the record straight. Because he's anti-war doesn't make that the point of his ad.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amAir America needs the advertisers since the ratings are so low.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:50 am>>I guess this sort of proves that the whole garbage that Rush spouts about conservative ideas winning in the free marketplace is only true because they own the marketlace and won’t allow other ideas to compete.
Yeah. Bingo. I have definitely heard opposing ads aired on Air America, but God forbid that anything penetrate the Stalinesque fortress that is the right wing wacko media.
BTW: Go call. I got a real human when I called (true, she forwarded me to Programming's voicemail), so enough of those calls will have an impact. Don't do obscenities, be nice -- just flood them.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amIANAL (and proud of that fact). But I can't help wondering - although there is some protection from libel/slander in that this Vet is now a public figure, would the fact that Clear Channel refused to even let this guy buy a commercial to defend himself open Clear Channel to being involved in a conspiracy to slander ?
Logically, it certainly makes me think that Clear Channel is actively participating in slandering this guy (it isn't just the work of one whacko talk show shock-jock).
October 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amActually Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, and Tom Harkins are about the only onese that really do talk truth to power……
Ed is just a righty playing left, and I really don’t listen to any others so I could not speak about them.
Comment by RemoveBush — October 4, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Excuse me--Thom Hartman? Bill Press?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amThe Thom Hartmann shows are produced in the studios of KPOJ in Portland, OR...a Clear Channel property, or station. How the hell is Air America carried on Clear Channel, or for what reason? What steps should be taken to protest or to somehow show disgust for CC's support of Limbaugh's stance against the Troops?
October 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt is public record that Clear Channel Vice President Tom Hicks bought the Texas Rangers for $250-million in 1988. George W. Bush received $14.5-million for his interest in the team, a fantastic return on his initial investment of $605,000 in borrowed money guaranteed by his dad's millionaire buddies.
As Governor of Texas, Bush appointed Hicks to a state board which invested funds of the University of Texas. Hicks steered investment of those funds to companies in which he had a substantial financial interest.
Search the Internet for "Tom Hicks+Clear Channel." You'll be amazed.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:52 amClear Channel can do whatever they want since they run it.
If any of you ever owned a business it is the same as allowing your competitor to put fliers advertising his business on your front desk where customers first see when the enter your store.
That would not be such a good idea.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:57 am#52 so...Hillary did the same thing and no has ever accomplished such an investment since.
October 4th, 2007 at 10:58 amHow is that the same thing...explain...YOU DAMN HYPOCRITE!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amIf any of you ever owned a business it is the same as allowing your competitor to put fliers advertising his business on your front desk where customers first see when the enter your store.
That would not be such a good idea.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Clear Channel is in the business of leasing public airwaves from "us." Not quite the same as an ordinary private business.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amThat would not be such a good idea.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil —
I suppose you can relate, ANE, it's like when you stumble up to your favorite intersection; with your cardboard "Please Help" sign to panhandle for the day, and find someone else already there.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:01 am#56 -- Provide proof of your allegation or it must be considered just one more bit of bullshit shoveled by the vast rightwing conspiracy.
Have a nice day.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:02 amTime for the FCC to start doing their damned job. The airwaves belong to us, not Clear F*cking Channel.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:02 amI never said pro military is pro war. I asked if there were any ads by pro military soldiers, you know, who are for the war.
Hahahaha!!! What an idiot. He denies saying pro-military=pro-war... then says pro-military=pro-war! Honestly, Jughead, if you want to know why nobody pays attention to what you say, reflect on that piece of idiocy.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amThen do something Oxycon but you cannot because the ratings are soaring even higher because of the controversial the left wingers made up....
THANKS!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amCC = A crock of $hit.
Situation normal, all f*cked up. (SNAFU).
October 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amKOKO...Learn to read...just need to stop drinking the wacko socialist kool aid....
October 4th, 2007 at 11:06 amANecessaryEvil sez:
"Whatever they want"? Really? Does that include slander?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:06 amKOKO…Learn to read...
I can read just fine, Jughead. Why don't you learn to think?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amA page from the White House/neocon playbook...
"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." - Dr. Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
October 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amNevar,
Again, avoiding the issue and trying to change the topic. I, unlike you, do not rely on the gov't for a house, food, transportation, or any of my little perks. I work hard and continue to educate myself outside of this little "progressive" world.
I will honk when I pass you on the corner with your sign in my very nice car.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:08 amKoKo...then answer the question...go ahead...stop changing the discussion. Name calling is all you got. Let's have discussion...not just divisive rhetoric.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:09 amCandyce - there is one problem with your defense of Rush, he said, "soldiers" not Jesse whatever but soldiers. And as pointed out last night Rush has made his opinion you are either for war or a terriost known since 2005. Pretty hard to think he mean't just one this time.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:08 am
What an unpleasant person you are. Perhaps when you get cancer, and find yourself facing huge medical bills you cannot pay, while you house gets foreclosed, you will be a little more understanding.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:10 amSave your money and stop buying the wacko liberal agenda. All they want is your soul. Socialism...killed millions.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:11 am>Are there pro military ads on Air America? You know soldiers that support >the war.
You need to learn a better command of the english language.
You claim this statement is not equating support fo the military with support for the war.
This sentence is very similar to me saying: "Are there any idiots in iraq? You know, soldiers who support the war?"
Would you say such a statement would not be implying that soldiers who support the war are also stupid?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amStil waiting for an answer, ANE...
October 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amNot to sound like I support Rush, because I can’t stand that fat tub of goo, but doesn’t this just make sense? I mean, why would they put an anti-Rush ad DURING his show? Clear channel, like anything else in this country, is a business.
Let’s be a little more objective here.
Comment by JustAGI — October 4, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Why not put the ad on? Sounds like to me a sure fire way of whipping up even more support for Rush. Think of all the calls of support that would pour into his show.
What's Rush afraid of? After all, he's right about all of this phony soldier stuff, and everyone else is wrong.
What are they afraid of? The fact that some of the listeners might be confronted with an alternate view of things, that's what. Controlling the thought processes and the message is what it's all about, and this is the hallmark of the Rush Limbaugh Show.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:13 amI will honk when I pass you on the corner with your sign in my very nice car.
I assume you'll be travelling along dirt roads with no street signs, lanes, names, at 100 mph because we dont have some socialist government interfering in our right to get drunk and mow down children, pets and the elderly.
Thank the lord for Freedom!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amKrazny,
I have health insurance and if gov't would step out of the healthcare it will be more affordable for more people. Help those that help themselves. No problem. Keep adding to it makes it less likely that people will help themselves...making them sheep...why is their generations of people on welfare? Because that is all they know. Because the know it is always gonna be there. Why work if I dont have to.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amKoKo…then answer the question...
WHAT question, you babbling twerp?
I have one for you: how does your statement "I never said pro military is pro war. I asked if there were any ads by pro military soldiers, you know, who are for the war" make sense? In what way is it NOT self-contradictory? Looking forward to your answer.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:14 am#71 KoKo…then answer the question…go ahead…stop changing the discussion. Name calling is all you got. Let’s have discussion…not just divisive rhetoric.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:09 am
ANE, read what YOU wrote @ 70
Sheeesh!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:16 amLefty
Just another rationale response by the wacko left. Sounds like anarchy and not a Democratic Republic to me. No one has the right to drive...it is a privilage.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:14 am
We will see how good your insurance is, when catastrophe hits. A lot of people discover their insurance suddenly doesn't cover many things, when the care becomes expensive. But please keep up your absurd talking points, ignore the fact that one payer systems work world wide.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:17 amI'm STILL waiting for an answer from you, UnNecessaryEvil.
You claimed in your earlier post that "Clear Channel can do whatever they want since they run it."
I asked if "whatever they want" includes slander.
Answer the question.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:17 am#81 read what was written prior by Nevar...LWW
October 4th, 2007 at 11:19 amYou know the FBI Agents investigating Blackwater should really be guarded by Blackwater's largest 3 competitors in Iraq.
Oh What fun that would be!!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:20 am#84 Uh, slander is against the law. Name such slander.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:20 am“Clear Channel can do whatever they want since they run it.
Why were/are the Republicans making such a fuss about SF not allowing the Marines to film in the city??????
Comment by RemoveBush — October 4, 2007 @ 10:58 am
If I am not mistaken, Clear Channel is a private business enterprise and San Francisco - in theory, anyway - is a public institution that owes equal access to everyone. Unless we are acknowledging SF has granted itself the right to violate the 14th amendment by treating citizens it disagrees with differently than those that follow its liberal agenda.
THAT is an issue that DOES matter. Rush does not.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:22 am"That government is best which governs least." Thomas Paine
October 4th, 2007 at 11:23 amSo you should not get special privileges as the result of greater success than another.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amNevar,
Again, avoiding the issue and trying to change the topic. I, unlike you, do not rely on the gov’t for a house, food, transportation, or any of my little perks. I work hard and continue to educate myself outside of this little “progressive†world.
I will honk when I pass you on the corner with your sign in my very nice car.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Ahhh...you may not rely on the government to directly provide those amenities you mention, but you rely on them for indirect support.
The government sets building standards that ensures your home is safe, sound, and secure. You rely on the government to ensure your food is safe to consume. You rely on the government to ensure your automobile meets safety standards, to ensure the roads you travel on are well maintained, and depending on your state laws, you may rely on the government to require that each driver you pass on the road is required to have insurance to protect you in case you are involved in an accident that is not your fault, and you may rely on that same state government to conduct annual vehicle inspections to ensure those same cars have properly functioning brakes and lights, among other things.
You are also able to enjoy those and other little perks under the protection of local, state, and national entities in the form of the police and military. I do believe the government has a hand in this.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amIts the same rationale that Rush will NEVER have Brian McGough as a guest on his show.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 am"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Karl Marx and some recent presidental candidates
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 am"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -- Thomas Paine
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 am"I doubt AA would turn down any advertising as well. I used to love AA - Majority Report (Sam Seder, Garofalo), Marc Maron, Al Franken… now aside from Rachel Maddow it’s just watered-down centrist DLC offal. You’ll notice that the rightwing no longer demonizes AA anymore, it’s not worth the effort. The content just doesn’t threaten them anymore.
Mark Green is an idiot. R.I.P. Air America.
Comment by lefty — October 4, 2007 @ 10:46 am"
I 100% agree. Maron, Garofalo, Malloy, all gone. Now it is all slush. You will notice all of the Drug Free America Ads though.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amANeccessaryEvil
I see my point went sailing over your shrunken head. You complain about socialism but don't seem to mind collective tax dollars going to things like roads and law enforcement to make sure that you get to your asskissing corporate job safely in your Muslim-oil guzzling Hummer.
It is also interesting how you call for discussion and not divisive rhetoric then call me a wacko. Good job by you once again reinforcing my opinion that republicans no longer have any idea how to make a decent argument.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amUnNecessaryEvil sez:
It's about time, ANE.
You don't think that impugning soldiers' honor and integrity by calling them "phony soldiers" is slander? You don't think that subsequently calling one of those soldiers who has the courage to stand up and defend his good name a "suicide bomber" is slander?
And you and your ilk had the gall to whine about the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad. What magnificent hypocrisy.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:26 am#93 No it is not. It is Rush's show. His own private show. He can have whomever he wishes on his show. That is like telling you to take in 3 half way house prisoners into your home a week. No one can because it is your own private home.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:27 amDecisions like Patreaus' decisions. One way only!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:28 amI would say that you on the right love to have things both ways but really you want to have things hundreds of ways, pretty much depending on whatever contradictory nonsense you poop out of your mouth the day before.
I have to tell you since you don't seem to realize it, but the days when you can use the same defense for yourselves that you attacked just days or months in the past are OVER. No one is buying your pathological rhetorical flipflopping anymore.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:31 am#100
Monkey,
The phony soldiers is a BOLD FACE LIE BY THE LIBERALS! The soldier never would have been put in the middle if the LIBERALS did not lie. Rush not referring to him at all when he said phony soldiers.
The comments about him being a suicide bomber of lies is wrong, I agree but it is not slander. It could be considered libel.
Dems do these diversion tactics so their sheep followers will forget they have accomplished nothing and have such a low approval rating.
The troops are still in Iraq.
If you all want them out so bad then why let them divert attention from their failures that you all alleged was the reason the Dems got Congress.
Also, calling your countries general a Betrayer of their country even before the report is released is just simply cruel and sad.
So get your ilk together and do what you truly want. Get the troops out or is that just alot of noise and no substance.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:36 amRepublican rhetoric:
If a Republican refuses to air dissenting opinions, it is because of (1) free speech and (2) because you cen't tell a corporation/business how to run their business.
If a neutral or liberal refuses to air dissenting opinions it is because of the "Left Wing Media"
Hence, Republicans are always correct, even when they're not. But actual facts don't matter either.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:37 am#102
October 4th, 2007 at 11:38 amAnd the people want Rush. Ratings are fantastic. Unless the gov't comes in with it ironhand to change that. Kinda like Stalin.
The phony soldiers is a BOLD FACE LIE BY THE LIBERALS
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil
Ahem.... excuse me, but may I remind you of the originator of this term "phony soldier"?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:39 amUnless, of course you consider Limpwad to be a Liberal...
Also, calling your countries general a Betrayer of their country even before the report is released is just simply cruel and sad.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Telling a child, that he can't visit a doctor when they are sick, is cruel and sad. People like you are cruel and sad. I hope that you never face a catastrophic illness, or job layoff. You would be unprepared to deal with such hardship.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:40 amRush is a talk show. He is not the news. Colmes does not air dissenting views all the time because he is not news.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:40 amBy the way……. The air waves are the PEOPLES, so the same statement you made about SF is true for the ad that was rejeted…… If it was not for the PEOPLE allowing them to use the airwaves, CC would not have a radio station.
Comment by RemoveBush — October 4, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Do FCC regs mandate ads have to be accepted regardless of content so long as they are not obscene or defamatory? I am not an expert on FCC regs, but it seems unlikely to me CC has a legal requirement to air adds attacking one of its employees....
As far as SF not letting the Marines do their add for SAFETY reasons? I hope you are not that gullible. That is the reason they gave to avoid a lawsuit, but if you look at SFs history with the military I think it a bit far fetched to suggest politics were not the real reason.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:42 am#109
No child is without healthcare. Try reading more than what you see here or other left wing blogs. Look beyond your "willing suspension of disbelief"
October 4th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by ANeccessaryEvil
Yeah, God forbid you ever help anyone else or share anything.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:45 am“We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.†Karl Marx and some recent presidental candidates
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil
Like habeaus corpus? Geneva Convention protections?
Clear Channel broadcasts on the public airwaves, which they lease with our permission. They have a duty to the public that supercedes their right to make a profit.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:45 amI am not an expert on FCC regs, but it seems unlikely to me CC has a legal requirement to air adds attacking one of its employees….
When their "employee" engages in lies, they forfeit normal FCC protections.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:47 amSave your money and stop buying the wacko liberal agenda. All they want is your soul. Socialism…killed millions.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Ye gods! What a meaningless, irrational comment.
Total gibberish.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:48 amGive me a habeaus corpus example. Geneva Convention is for soldiers...not soldiers.
Our permission...you really believe that.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:48 am#117 what a meaningless, irrational comment.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:48 amNo child is without healthcare.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Seriously, some documentation, other than Rush Limbaugh's radio show...
October 4th, 2007 at 11:49 amThe Pentagon report contradicting Betrayeus was held back, Betrayeus report was written by the White House. Any Generals saying no to a surge were replaced. What does that tell you?
Move On told the truth...Rush spoke an opinion and his word was SOLDIERS not Jesse a soldier.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:49 amIs there an echo in here, or did someone let an 8th grader in?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:50 amANE, can you please stop speaking in tongues? Jesus Christ.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:50 amI am not an expert on FCC regs, but it seems unlikely to me CC has a legal requirement to air adds attacking one of its employees….
When their “employee†engages in lies, they forfeit normal FCC protections.
Comment by barfly — October 4, 2007 @ 11:47 am
There is enough chaff and flares emanating from both sides on this issue that whether Rush has lied would almost certainly require litigation, God help us.....
October 4th, 2007 at 11:50 am"Our permission…you really believe that."
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil
Why not? It's the truth. Ever heard of an FCC licensing hearing? Why do we have them?
"Geneva Convention is for soldiers…not soldiers."
?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:50 amANeccessaryEvil, do you ever do anything other than regurgitate talk-radio pablum? What are you, 11 years old? You must be the most boring troll ever.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:51 amKinda like Stalin.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Ya mean, like the way the DoJ came out AGAINST net neutrality a couple of weeks ago?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:52 amHow about Rush just apologize instead trying to throw the blame on everyone else and invite McGough on to talk that would really take the flames out.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:52 amNo child is without healthcare. Try reading more than what you see here or other left wing blogs. Look beyond your “willing suspension of disbeliefâ€
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:42 am
When you say "no child is without healthcare", what exactly do you mean? You can't possibly mean that every child is insured, as that is easily debunked:
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/17712.html
Perhaps you mean "no child is without healthcare, as long as they can afford it". This may come as news to you, but a child who can't afford healthcare is a child without healthcare.
Or perhaps you mean "no child is without healthcare, because they can always go to an emergency room when their health problems are too great to ignore". This is true. And when the family gets the bill, they must declare bankruptcy because they can't pay it. Not exactly a viable option.
Or perhaps you have another explanation for that absurd statement? Try to keep it brief -- we're already off-topic here.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:53 am"There is enough chaff and flares emanating from both sides on this issue that whether Rush has lied would almost certainly require litigation, God help us….."
Comment by Keltoi —
Seems pretty clear. He got busted altering his transcripts - in effect, lying to his audience about his past statements.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:54 amI have health insurance and if gov’t would step out of the healthcare it will be more affordable for more people.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Uh, ya mean deregulating healthcare (done by Reagan) and allowing it to become a FOR-PROFIT industry has had absolutley NUTHIN' ta do wi't the astronomical increase in healthcare costs over the last 2 decades?
Dang! Who'd a-thunk it?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amGreat point barfly. Rush did alter the transcripts.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amRush did alter the transcripts.
Comment by hellinabucket — October 4, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Yes, that is a fact. Why did Rush feel a NEED to alter them?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:57 amSeems pretty clear. He got busted altering his transcripts - in effect, lying to his audience about his past statements.
Comment by barfly — October 4, 2007 @ 11:54 am
/sarc on
October 4th, 2007 at 11:58 amOh, but he's a private show, owned by a private enterprise. He can do whatever he wants!
/sarc off
“There is enough chaff and flares emanating from both sides on this issue that whether Rush has lied would almost certainly require litigation, God help us…..â€
Comment by Keltoi
Actually a slander suit against Rush might be the way the go. Class action, for all real soldiers and veterans this gasbag has slandered.
Any real lawyers know if a class action slander suit has ever been filed before?
October 4th, 2007 at 11:58 amThanks, hellina.
I think the truth of this is the fact that our pro-Rush troll has scrupulously avoided it, when brought to his attention.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:00 pmWould you consider Nappy Headed Ho's on the same level as Phoney severly wounded anti-war soldiers. Guess Clear Channel doesn't think so.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:02 pmActually a slander suit against Rush might be the way the go. Class action, for all real soldiers and veterans this gasbag has slandered.
Any real lawyers know if a class action slander suit has ever been filed before?
Comment by Wayne — October 4, 2007 @ 11:58 am
It would at least bring some clarity and closure.
BTW, Removebush, I am not a hypocrite, I haven't screamed about anything not relating to the NFL in a long time. I have said nothing about SF til this thread, nor have I defended Rush per se, I think his comments were idiotic and have said so. My point was the difference between public and private entities. Keep your name calling target specific, if you must do it at all.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:04 pmGeneva Convention is for soldiers…not soldiers.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Kinda early in the day to be on the crackpipe, isn't it?
October 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmKinda early in the day to be on the crackpipe, isn’t it?
Comment by Wayne — October 4, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Could be the end of a really long night... ya never know...
October 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmA call for comments from all of the fundamentalist Christians out there...
Could you please tell us how you will explain yourself to your Maker on Judgment Day?
Please read (or re-read, as the case may be), Matthew 25:31-46 (NIV is the version I just checked), and explain how you expect to gain favor from Jesus after turning away the sick and the hungry during your life here on earth (and perhaps, while you are at it, your practice of encouraging others to do likewise).
We will be anxiously awaiting your explanations.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:08 pmRory sez:
I'll believe that when I see it, Jake.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#146 - Move on Rory, Move On....or just try getting your facts from someone other than Rush or Bill O.
But before you go why did Rush edit his transcript if he was comfortable with his words?
October 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI don’t know if I will continue to post with that sort of element around.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#130
They have emergency rooms and free clinics all over the country. And if you are making enough money to have 2 cars and a home with a pool and a cell phone and cable you can afford healthcare.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmExcept Toliver, I have never heard any of those names on TP or media matters, not that I read media matters daily, until this whole thing happened. Yes there are men out there lying about their service, and their are people willing to believe them. However despite you rather odd statements, those men are not heroes to the left, nor did they have that much widespread popularity. Rush loves to natter on about them, because it helps prove his case of how much the leftâ„¢ hates the soldiers. Nevermind that many on the left didn't pick up on these guys.
Rush edited his transcripts, and continues to demonize anyone who points out what he said. You should really pull your head out, and read some unbiased news some time.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:40 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
You are a lost cause. I hope when the world moves on, that you won't be part of it.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pmComment by Toliver — October 4, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
You can talk about Rush backpedaling all you like, Toliver, but the simple fact is that during that phone call, he widened the scope of his "phony soldiers" epithet to include all those critical of this administration's policies.
If he had apologized for the misunderstanding, and retracted the statement, he might have been forgiven. But this is not the course of action Rush chose. Rush chose instead to further slander troops, including Murtha specifically, and go so far as to characterize a soldier brave enough to stand up to his bloviation as a "suicide bomber". Add this to the "fill transcript" he released (which was actually edited), and it's clear what Rush's intentions really are.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:44 pmHonestly, I'm just staggered by the awesome talent of the reichwingers to suspend their disbelief.
It's amazing, truly. Even in the face of incontrovertible FACT (the audio of Rush's show and the unaltered transcript), they can *still* argue that it never happened.
Amazing.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:45 pmSee what "free" gets you:
The Fraser Institute, a Vancouver, B.C.-based think tank, has done yeoman work keeping track of Canada's socialized health-care system. It has just come out with its 13th annual waiting-list survey. It shows the average time a patient waited between referral from a general practitioner to treatment rose from 16.5 weeks in 2001-02 to 17.7 weeks in 2003. Saskatchewan had the longest average waiting time of nearly 30 weeks, while Ontario had the shortest, 14 weeks. Some patients avoided long waits for medical services by paying for private treatment.
Free health care can have zero price to the user, but that doesn't mean it's free or has a zero costs. The problem with a good or service having a zero price is that demand will exceed supply. When price isn't allowed to make demand equal to supply, other measures must be taken. One way to distribute the demand is by queuing -- making people wait. Another is to have a medical czar who decides who is eligible, under what conditions, for a particular procedure -- for example, no hip replacement or renal dialysis for people over 70 or no heart transplants for smokers.
Sounds like socialism to me.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:45 pm***ERRATA***
"fill transcript" should read "full transcript" in my previous post.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:45 pmFunny when I talk to actual Canadians, they say the healthcare system works fine, and they are pleased with it. I wonder if the groups who constantly slam the system perhaps have some sort of partisan agenda????
October 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmthe false claims. The left loves to promote horror stories coming from Iraq.
Comment by Toliver — October 4, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
The only two I remember are the story out of Haditha, in which a marine was recently convicted and sentenced, and the stories out of Abu Graihb, in which there is plenty of photo evidence. Otherwise, no I don't recall any of them.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmSounds like socialism to me.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Anyone remember back in the 80's wasn't it, when the power industry was deregulated with the promise of free markets, and lower power costs, only to have the price skyrocket? I don't agree with communism, as I don't think it is a workable system, however the whole free market thing you want, doesn't work either, Coolidge proved that right before the great depression. Reagan tried it again, another no go. Sorry but some things would be better run as a socialism type venture.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pm#159 How about a source that is outside of the left wing slanted agenda?
October 4th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#26 Comment by hellinabucket — October 4, 2007 @ 10:24 am
That is an interesting view. And you could certainly be right about it. But I'm still not sure that it would happen. There are protesters on both sides who protest about all kinds of things - especially when it coms to voicing opposition to something. I don't think there is a way to paint the protesters as loons in that case. I mean - Rush may try to, but I doubt it will be at all successful.
And I too want to see it hurt in the pocket book too. Perhaps you can combine these things. Protest Rush while also holding up signs protesting his advertisers.
It's odd I feel this way when at the same time I'm all for free speech, even hate speech. I'd defend a radio station that was KKK oriented. But just as I support their free speech, I support the free speech of those who disagree and want to protest.
It's SORT of a form of discussion. And hopefully people see both sides, and choose for themselves. And hopefully this will cause people to begin migrating to all the proper sides of these issues.
One can hope, yes?
October 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmUnNecessaryEvil sez:
Yes, reality does tend to have a liberal bias, doesn't it?^_^
October 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pm#162
And when it doesnt run right such as education. When the federal gov't go involved in the 70's we slipped way behind. How about leaving it back to the local community? Who knows better than those living in the same community? How about that for a compromise? Since, you know, allowing those without means to go to a better school with vouchers is so wrong.
October 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmUh, no!
I don't find leaders, I watch the parking meters!
October 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#164 I totally agree. You have to listen with an active mind to both sides. Not be blinded or divisive to those who disagree.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pmToliver sez:
Neither do we. All we need is the transcript (you know...the unedited one). ^_^
October 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmClear Channel, this is what happens when you allow one media outlet to own so much of our airways. They, Clear Channel, is concerned with only one thing...MONEY!!!!
October 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAnd who said that Limbaugh supporters were intelligent?? These are the "Stick their heads in the sand" people who will follow whomever tells them what they want to hear. I have always said it, "Republicans cannnot think for themselves."
October 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmToliver sez:
This is particularly amusing. You claim the charges were dropped, and yet you put the [ABSCAM] next to Murtha's name, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he was never even indicted.
Talk about your cognitive dissonance. What an idiot.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:08 pmTo ANecessaryEvil
Actually, wrong on two counts and the third is problematic. There are emergency rooms all over, but many less than there used to be because several have closed as they aren't profitable enough. Free clinics have been vanishing for years. And even a comfortable middle class lifestyle can rapidly go to poverty/bankruptcy when health insurance doesn't cover needed treatment. As an ex-ER doc, I've seen all that first-hand.
And lots of people who work but can't get health insurance can be bankrupted at the drop of a hat. How about California Blue Cross who lost a suit because they cancelled the policy of people who needed surgery? They went through their old records when the expensive claims came in, and found anything omitted on the application - chicken pox at age 7, a yeast infection 20 years ago - and said that was grounds for cancellation.
Or how about the fact that many older adults can't get insurance if they are pretty healthy? They turn people for things like being 50 years old with mild asthma.
In any case, the most cost-efficient and medically effective health care isn't an ER or clinic where the patient sees a different doctor every time. It's a doc that knows the patient.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pm#162Also, sometimes your state can be terrible legislators because in Pa. it works quite well.
In Pennsylvania, many consumers have begun to choose different electricity suppliers and the rates have actually decreased. Pennsylvania, unlike California, did not require their utilities to divest themselves of power generation.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pmErk, typing too fast. Should be "Or how about the fact that many older adults can’t get insurance even if they are pretty healthy? They turn people away for things like being 50 years old with mild asthma."
October 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
I am going to chalk it up with the rest of your pathetic crap as being false. You don't provide links, just lots of Rush's opinion. Please get out into the big bright world sometime.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThey turn people down because of the costs of medical care being so high since well, gov't gets involved and forces prices down and having all the paperwork so high.
If people paid out of pocket they would less likely go to the doctors for a fever or headache or hang nail under the blind assumption that it is free since I have health insurance.
Oh, I feel sick let me go to the doctor. The doctor's response, " Take some aspirin and a nap."
October 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmI wonder if any one here really heard what was said. I think not. There are phony troops out there. That is a fact. Listen before you spout off.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pm#177
You don't provide links...ooooooh, I am sorry let me do all the work for you...in fact, read the summary at the end so you don't have to work so hard to read the whole article...
http://www.newsbatch.com/electric.htm
There is your precious link.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmMedical costs starting skyrocketing when the insurance, and HMO rackets started. Sorry to burst your bubble.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmUnNecessaryEvil sez:
My last wife felt sick, and after dragging herself around all day, finally consented to go to the doctor.
Turns out she was experiencing a heart attack.
Thank you so much for shredding your own argument, dolt.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmComment by "Rory" — October 4, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Sounds a lot like Murtha stopped short of actual wrongdoing, Jake. Is that the point you were attempting to make?
October 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pm#179 True! Like Jesse Macbeth
Jesse Macbeth being one who's birth name is...Jesse Al-Zaid. Interesting name!
The left being so hunger they don't even check their sources...you ought to have your "phony soldiers" provide a link so you can believe them before you put them out there for your slanted agenda.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pmGood thing there was no universal health care otherwise she would have to wait in line. I hope she is doing well.
Could you provide me a link.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:21 pmWJNO-AM operates on the public airwaves as regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Each TV and radio station in the United States is required, by law, to maintain a listener comment file that is to be reviewed at the time of license renewal to determine the fitness of a particular operator to continue the stewardship of the licensed frequency.
The FCC, like most other agencies in the Bush world, has become somewhat of a joke (courtesy of Colin Powell's son, Michael)... but it still might be a worthwhile exercise to flood WJNO-AM with letters of complaint about the censorship of proposed advertising on their station. WJNO is required to maintain these letters in their files.
Might be interesting to follow-up at some date in the near future to see if, in fact, the letters have been preserved... or if they're considered "White House emails".
October 4th, 2007 at 1:21 pmUNecesaryEvil s just one more selfish wingnut. What's destroying our healthcare system is republican greed. Greed in for profit hospital execs. Greed in bigpharma execs. greed in insurance execs. Medicare is the cheapest most cost effective insurance in the country.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pm#181
Another form of gov't enforcement...you need another link:
http://www.cchconline.org/issues/hmorise.php3
October 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmComment by ANeccessaryEvil
Good article to bad you focused on the very last half paragraph, while ignoring the clear and abundant problems with deregulation.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pm"Rory" sez:
Check again, Jake.
"Innocent until proven guilty". Remember that saying?
October 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pm“Rory†sez:
The difference, of course, being that Craig pled guilty….
October 4th, 2007 at 1:29 pmCAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME. WHY ARE RUSH LIMBAAUGH LISTENERS SOME DAMN DUMB??
October 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pm"Rory" sez:
Of course you're not, Shakey. You're talking about convicting him in your own mind. I understand. Just don't expect the rest of us to follow your twisted reasoning.
And did Murtha accept the offer? Simple question, Jake.
Translation: "I've been trounced by TMM yet again, so I'm going to run away and hide until the big ol' meanie is gone."
"For the record", Jake, you're the poorest excuse for a human I have ever encountered.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmYeah because no one has to wait in an ER in the US.
Nice website by the way. Not sure someone with their bias, and slant is very trustworthy to talk of the effects on government intervention in healthcare.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmClear Channel has a management team that approves these decisions and yet they are unknown to the general public. That gives them a kind of license to operate in the shadows. What these people hate more than anything is to heat of the spotlight. Clear Channel operates more than this one station and I would suspect there are many, many people throughout the country who would like to communicate their displeasure. Once these suits start talking in public, their true colors are revealed for everyone to see and from then on, the clear channel brand will be remembered as just anyone wingnut media outlet. It will do real damage to their bottom line if they can't pretend to be just another faceless conglomerate. Blogs are the a great way to get the word out. Harrass advertisers on clear channel stations with letters and phone calls, get their suits out of the shadows and into the spotlight. They'll try and defend the indefensible and at the very least, a good many people who might otherwise have not heard the Vote for Vets add will get that chance.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmClear Channel receptionist directs all calls regarding the matter to JohnHunt@clearchannel.com. My email:
Subj: Cowed or Coward?
Date: 10/4/2007 12:15:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Eviemurphy
To: johnhunt@clearchannel.com
Why do you refuse to run the VoteVets Ad? Why do you hate America and all that she stands for? What is wrong with you? Why do you hate America? Why do you support the war and refuse to support the Troops? What is wrong with you?
Just wondering.
Eve M. Parente
October 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pm"Rory" sez:
First of all, aren't I in the "Naughty Corner"? Why are you addressing me if I'm in the "Naughty Corner", Shakey?
Second, it's obvious to everyone that "Rory" == "Jake". Some of your posts are almost identical, word-for-word. You really are bad at this, aren't you?
Oh yes, by all means. Trolls need their daily infusion of STUPID...without it, they might actually start thinking independently...and that's death for a troll.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pm#204 - Actually there are alot of very interesting OBJECTIVE news sources out there NOT covered by Faux news. You might try it someday and open your mind.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmRory - I thought you threatened to leave this harsh element, what you are still here? Gosh your life must be really narrow if Rush is your God. You know he calls women FemiNazis...and that would be all women. Tell you anything? Oh you might call in and ask about his last trip out of the country and what he was doing with all that Viagra in his luggage. Isn't Viagra used for only one thing? Check the country he visited and what it is known for. Child prostitution.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:04 pmRory you didn't answer my question as to why the transcript was edited if he stands by denying what he said. Please let me know and do some background on your radio God. You might get shocked !
Oh another thought, just invite McGough on his show and talk it out, its called diplomacy. But of course schoolyard bullies can't take real heros.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:16 pmRory, don't you have two kids in elementary school?
Then what the hell were you doing posting all day yesterday, from mid-morning until 10:58pm???
Is being an antagonistic, Rush butt kisser more important than your own kids?
Should we call child services for your obvious neglect?
Or should you just find another posting name "lifestyle" that doesn't contradict yourself, eh Jake D???
October 4th, 2007 at 2:20 pmFrom Comment by ANeccessaryEvil "If people paid out of pocket they would less likely go to the doctors for a fever or headache or hang nail under the blind assumption that it is free since I have health insurance."
I've seen that, and it frustrates me. But worse is what I've seen in the other direction - people who don't go to the doctor because it's too expensive and they need to pay rent and feed their kids. And by the time they do go, something that's relatively cheap and easy to take care of early is now something big and expensive, or even impossible, to cure. You will always have people who run to the doctor unnecessarily. The sad thing is people who go too late or don't go.
Or people who think they're covered, and their insurance won't pay for what they need. Which I've also seen.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmCripes Rory we all know its you Jake, give it up a$$wipe.
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pm1- Why would he need more than 3 hours to have a guest on ?
2) You are right, I checked my resources and Rush only referred to women who are thinking, intelligent people as FemiNazis...strange that he hasn't found one in 3 marriages.
3) Rush could defuse the whole thing by saying "I didn't mean to imply that anti-soldiers are phoney, I apologize for any misunderstanding."
However, instead I heard his twisting around and around about everyone picking on him and his apologizing for their twisting his words.
Good grief grow up. And you know for my son and the others in Iraq they get a good laugh out of this fat gas bag coward so let his show roll on. But I really think if he doesn't apologize and shut up he will go the way of Imus.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pm"Rory" sez:
So...my occupation of the "Naughty Corner" is enforced stricty by the honor system?
Since the aim of the "Naughty Corner" (an excuse for you to run away from a discussion) is inherently dishonorable, the only honorable thing to do is to disregard it.
Or....you're a goddamn liar, Jake. Since your reputation as a liar is well established, I'm leaning towards that interpretation.
Saying my "logic is faulty" because you 'don't agree' is like the WaPo claiming that the MoveOn statement of "General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war." is "faulty", since Chimpy and Deadeye disagree. Again, the explanation is obvious - they are goddamn liars.
Which brings us to the WaPo "fact checking" of the MoveOn.org ad:
At the time, I honestly thought you were joking...but upon second thought, I concede that your Rush-addled brain probably thought the WaPo's "fact checking" was worth something, despite the little fact that they agreed with about 75% of the ad.
I'd go into more detail, but Cenk Uygur has already done it, so I'll leave you to his tender mercies.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pmJust because some people didn't figure it out right away and they should know that they are responding to Jake not this new persona that you are trying to make up.
Buck Fush
October 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough fought and sacrificed for his country, to preserve our freedoms, one of which is free speech.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough suffered a traumatic head injury fighting for America’s freedoms, so that drug addled people like Rush Limpbaugh could become millionaires spewing hate speech everyday.
Iraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough sacrificed his own health for Rush Limpbaugh’s benefit, an act Rush was too cowardly to perform when it was his turn to serve America.
Yet, John Hunt and Clear Channel, the purveyors of hate speech, are denying Iraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough his rights to free speech.
Do Republicans get any more sick, vile and disgusting than this?
Everyone, go and rip John Hunt of Clear Channel a new a-hole for his disgusting silencing of Iraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough’s free speech, the free speech that Iraq Invasion Veteran Brian McGough spilled his own blood for.
“TripMaster Monkeyâ€:
No. The translation is that you keep calling me “Jake†and I am not. Gotta go; Rush is back on the radio.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
I think the brainwashing sessions with Rush are a little too effective. You can't seem to remember that you other personna here is Jake, Shakey.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmRory doesn't really care a fig about Rush it is just in the script he/she has been given to obscure discussion. Anyway, it keeps things lively to have 1 or 2 on the opposite side.
Rory you said you just couldn't stand the "elements" here. But still you stay when there are wonderful conservative websites that you could defend poor Rush on. Wonderful being used with sarcasm. Could be they are just too dull ??????
October 4th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou know it has occured to me that 3 hours is alot of time to talk. Perhaps Rush could give us his opinion on puppies and babies. That should be interesting. Thank God he hasn't procreated !
October 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pm"Rory" sez:
This just in:
So, Craig is guilty, while Murtha was never even indicted. See the difference now, Jakers?
October 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmNo you have it all wrong Craig just has a "wide stance" Check with any guy and ask how far their feet go into another stall even trying to hold their pants up. Just some research.
But does anyone really care ? Just one more uptight, repressed Republican. But how does Ann Coulter fit in with the abnormally large adams apple ? Maybe thyroid disease.
October 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmOh, dear...looks like "Rory" has consigned himself to the "Naughty Corner". Nary a peep since his lame attempt at a brush-off earlier.
Who's "ignoring" whom now, Jake? Respond...if you have any integrity left...
October 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pm# 76 late coming in
"Save your money and stop buying the wacko liberal agenda. All they want is your soul. Socialism…killed millions.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:11 am"
Capitalism hasn't done to badly!
October 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pmTo address the troll named 'ANecessaryEvil' while addressing healthcare in general.
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They have emergency rooms and free clinics all over the country. And if you are making enough money to have 2 cars and a home with a pool and a cell phone and cable you can afford healthcare.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
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They turn people down because of the costs of medical care being so high since well, gov’t gets involved and forces prices down and having all the paperwork so high.
If people paid out of pocket they would less likely go to the doctors for a fever or headache or hang nail under the blind assumption that it is free since I have health insurance.
Oh, I feel sick let me go to the doctor. The doctor’s response, †Take some aspirin and a nap.â€
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
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It seems that 'ANeccessaryEvil''s moniker may be a statement about his political affiliation. I agree, there are reasons for the right-wing to exist, but for right now, the time for the right-wing to give up its power has long since arrived.
OK, 'ANecessaryEvil', you advocate using an emergency room or free clinic for your health care needs if you cannot get insurance for any reason.
Free clinics? Where the hell are those?! The only 'free clinic' I know of is the Auraria Campus health center, which is only free to students who pay the health center fee and who have insurance through one of the three institutions that are based on Auraria campus. Otherwise, nothing 'free' in Denver, health wise.
Emergency Rooms? Uh, what makes you think those are free? Trust me, they're anything _but_ free.
There are several major problems with American healthcare that I'm going to get into. During that process, I'm going to also dispell ol' Evil's contention that people use health insurance for frivolous things.
Health Insurance for profit's main goal is to make money, just like every other business. Unlike ethical businesses, who offer top-rate service for fair prices, and providing that service when it is needed, for-profit insurance does everything in its power to deny claims.
Case in point.
Back in December of 2005, my wife came down with a bug. It started innocently enough, sniffles and coughs, headache and fever. Felt like another fall-time cold. Well, it got worse. Soon it turned into diarreah, and then it turned into vomiting, and then it culminated in her, lieing on the floor, unable to move, after an over-hour-long-session in the bathroom, purging contents of her GI tract from both ends, with me desparately on the phone to both her mother and my mother, figuring out what to do. The two mom's instructions started our little saga. "Call 911, and do it now." I was resistant, not wanting to get involved with the health system, but hey, she was insured, and she's my wife, and she was currently laying on the ground, virtually passed out.
The trip to the hospital was scary. Paramedics worried about her to-low bloodpressure and her too-high heart rate, her fever, and before that journey was done, they'd put two whole bags of saline solution into her arm. The lead paramedic was stunned at how pale she was. Mind you, this is more astounding given the fact that my wife is _black_, so pale isn't a term you normally hear with dark-skinned beauties like her. But she was pale...her palms were white as a sheet and the rest of her body was not that much darker. She stayed in the hospital for two nights, being filled with saline drip and nutrients, her stomach totally unable to handle solid food. She was given two sets of pills when she finally was ready to go home, and told to eat food that was easy on her stomach.
This two day period scared the hell out of me, but the real saga was to begin six months later.
For six months, nothign happened. We received our insurance deductable bill, and everything seemed to be in order. Then one fine summers day, I go check the mail and what do I see but a bill collector letter. Then the calls start coming in. $700. $1200. $1700. $2200. All these numbers are being thrown around. I'm like: WTF!? Finally, I call the hospital, bypassing the greedy bill collector and get to the root of the problem. $1200 is owed to the hospital because the insurance company denied the claim. Why, you ask? "Not a life-threatening emergency."
I will repeat that. "Not a life threatening emergency." My wife, lieing on the ground, unable to move. "Not a life threatening emergency." My wife, lieing on an ambulance gurney, unconscious as they pour saline solution into her veins. "Not a life threatening emergency." My wife, pale as Death itself. "Not a life threatening emergency." I blew up. The Hospital went back and forth with the health insurance company. It took them six months, while T and I held the parasitic bill collectors at bay (they insisted we owed them $1700 for the hospital and $1000 for the ambulance, when those numbers were $1200 and $700 respectively). "Oh, we can set up a bill payment plan." "LOOK, ASSHOLE, WE DON'T OWE A BLOODY CENT SO GET LOST!" It took a FDCPA letter to shut them down, but eventually, in January of 2007, we finally got the claim processed, or so we thought. In March, they started harrassing us again. Ambulance service denied yet again. Cause? "Out of Network."
Let me repeat that too. "Out of network." An _ambulance_. "Hey, 911, my wife's lieing on the ground, and I don't know if she's diein' or not. Can you send someone? Oh, wait, I have to make sure that ambulance is covered by my insurance!" You have GOT to be kidding me! And here, we're stuck. The time for appeals was exhausted as the insurance company has a clause in their contract that says you have a year from the original date of the incident to appeal.
With health insurance, we owe $700. Without it, the scammers would have tried to hit us for $2700. That's two months pay for us. Needless to say, I'm dismayed with health insurance thanks to this.
Next up, I'll discuss public health insurance backed by the government, in this case the State of Colorado. But first, a commercial break (read that as getting back to work...)
October 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pmCAN "DITTO HEADS" BE THAT STUPID?? MAYBE IF YOU JUST UNDERSTAND THE REAL REASON THEY CALL THEMSELVES "DITTO HEADS".
October 4th, 2007 at 3:51 pm# 72 - "I... do not rely on the gov’t for a house, food, transportation, or any of my little perks."
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 4, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Let's see - your house was constructed under gov't building permits (if you live in a city of any size), your food (especially meat and poultry) is inspected by gov't food inspectors (unless you slaughter your on meat, grow your own vegatables, and have your own cow and chickens), and that nice car you're driving rides on roads paid for by gov't taxes.
You're like Rush regarding his raging, uncontrollable, drug addiction - you live in the State of DENIAL.
The trolls in here are still silent about Rush's cowardly refusal to have McGough on his show.
Yesterday, one of the other idiot trolls who lurks in here, claimed (actually offered to bet me) on another thread that Rush would invite McGough on the show today. I'm waiting...
October 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pmNext up is NecessaryEvil's inane suggestion that preventive health care is a problem.
While going home with my wife last week, she stopped at an intersection and I kept going. Mind you, at the time, I was on my newest toy, a vehicle I'm building as my answer to the gas problem, a three-wheeled cargo-hauling bike (or more appropriately, trike). I stop, realize the light's turning yellow, then kick backwards to catch back up with my wife and exit the intersection. Exit the intersection I did, just not the way I thought I would. The rear wheels hit the curb, and then the rest of the trike kept rotating, and threw me off like a bucking bronco. I caught my fall with my right hand at an awkward angle. Ow-wee. Did that ever hurt.
I rightened my trike, pulled it back onto the sidewalk, cursed mightily, then got back on and realized that that wrist would hurt for a while--it was already stiffening up and my grip was gone. I rode the rest of the way relying on an old technology that I'm glad still is used on trikes. All I gotta say is "Thank God for Coaster Breaks."
We got home, and my wife told me that maybe a trip to the Health Center was advised. I'm like, "it's just sprained, I can handle it." She said, "No, go look. It's covered." Am I ever glad I got it looked at.
In the process of stopping 215lbs of weight with a single wrist, I managed to knock a bone in that wrist out of alignment. If I'd not gotten the wrist looked at, I could have permanently damaged it, all for the mistaken belief that I don't need to see a professional.
NecessaryEvil, this is where you fail. Preventive medicine can save in tens of thousands of billable dollars down the road for corrective medicine. Going to the doctor to make sure that the headache and sniffles you have is not something worse than a cold could make the difference between being told 'take two aspirin and call me in the morning" and being told "your wife needs to go to the emergency room so we can put four bags of saline drip in her." Going to the doctor with a throbbing wrist makes the difference between a few hours of consultation and wrist brace versus surgery and recovery.
In short, if health insurance companies wanted to make an ethical profit, they'd be telling us "Get your yearly physical. See your GP on a regular basis, _even if you don't think you need to!_ Listen to your health care provider." They'd encourage routine physicals and mental wellness on the basis that it costs a lot less to get a routine physical, visit your family doctor when you feel ill, keep your mind in working order, and in general take care of yourself than it does to fix the big problems that started small.
Health insurance doesn't do this. In fact, it tries to screw you coming and going, making you pay for routine physicals out of pocket, refusing to pay for preventive medicines (birth control keeps you from making babies. $30 a month vs. over a thousand for a baby's birth or $300 for an elective abortion (which they deny too)), and in general making lives of us consumers unnecessarily painful.
Too all of you right-wingers arguing that socialized medicine doesn't work? Obviously, neither does capitalistic medicine.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:42 pmRory - A person's sexual preference is private as long as it does not infringe on someone else. Craig was just being cheap instead of finding like minded individuals and paying for satisfaction.
But we were not talking about Craig and Murtha now were we?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:26 pmRush is the subject and you never answered if you know why did the original transcript get edited? I'll try to find out and inform you.
Rory - I don't remember any paper carrying pictures of dead miners being carried out, remains of airline crashes so why a science subject should have coverage ?
We are banned from seeing the flagged draped coffins returning, for privacy Bush said, however, how a flagged covered coffin is invading anyone's privacy is surprising to me.
The wounded are transported at night to the hospital for a purpose. To keep us from thinking that there are over 27,000 severely wounded young men and women.
But this thread is about Rush and his ignorant rant isn't it ?
October 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmNOTICE OF ERRATA::
George W. Bush's great-grandfather, US Senator Prescott Bush, was not necessarily a Nazi sympathizer. He DID however profit from his alliance with the financial backers of Nazi Germany until The Department of Justice seized his company's assets were in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
Thanks to D. Campbell for the correction.
October 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pmLimburger is a jerk, s fool's fool, s liar, a coward, a corporate whore and fascist hate monger. It amazes me that he is on the air but then the execs. at Clear Channel are pimps. It's a perfect match.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pm#238 - "The New York Times refuses to carry ads from pro-life groups depicting graphic (but TRUE) pictures of an aborted fetus. Are they “afraid of debate and honest discourse†as well?" Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
They also refuse to carry pro-choice ads in which women die from exsanguination when they tried to abort using a coat hanger.
What's your point? Other than you seem to have an affinity for bloody advertisements. . . .
October 5th, 2007 at 7:52 amIf you wish to call be sure to be respectful. Calling names and so forth will only alienate our position. With that said, here's the extension of John Hunt who can be reached at the phone number left in the article: 6619
I just left a message asking why this ad wasn't ran and why Rush won't let Brian McGough on the show to defend his position. I left my number so let's see if he calls back...
I encourage all of you to call as well.
October 5th, 2007 at 7:53 amI called and asked to be put through to John Hunt. I only got his voice mail, but I really let him have it. I urge you all to do the same, but BE RESPECTFUL, as much as possible with these evil people.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:18 amAnyone know where to find a list of advertisers on the program? I'd write a few letters in addition to my phone call.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:57 amHonestyl people, I'm all for free speech just as much as the next guy. But did you honestly think they'd run that add. It's like asking Fox News to run an anti O Reilly add during the O Reilly Factor. I'm not saying i like Rush or that I agree with any of his views, I'm saying that John Hunt did what he had to do and what was best for his listeners and for Clearchannel. That is the bottom line. What we really want to see is Rush and McGough get into it!
October 5th, 2007 at 1:24 pmthis actually makes sense. the radio station is a business with specific blocks of programming that appeal to a range of peoples with various religious and political beliefs. in the interest of procuring listeners and securing the pre-existing, it would be silly to air those ads during rush's block. i'm a listener of wjno and what i believe to be a bit suspect and a display of skewed reporting, is the failure to mention that randi rhodes follows rush on wjno's line-up. they are polar-opposites in terms of political belief and voice, so obviously hunt and clearchannel's decision wasn't derived purely from a conservative-rush-loving political agenda. if the ad should be aired, it should be aired during her show. and i'm sure as a business, wjno and clearchannel should have no issue in allowing it then.
October 5th, 2007 at 6:55 pmComment by Probus---
If you can find a copy of the real FULL letter it states that Clearchannel doesnt have a problem with running the ads, just not during Rush's airtime. Which makes sense...who know's if Rush is a coward or not? Why doesnt McGough run the commercials during a different spot? Then his voice can be heard loud and clear!
October 5th, 2007 at 7:20 pmlimbaugh and the stations that carry him are seperate entities. the radio station is a business and airing those ads during his show is not in the best interest of the stations that run his syndication and attracting new listeners. you wouldn't market viagra in a lesbian trade publication, would you? no, because it has no audience in that magazine. this is no different. you are looking at it from the wrong point of view.
October 5th, 2007 at 8:20 pmComment by Probus — October 5, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
I agree with you that McGough's add needs to be heard! And what Rush said was unforgivable and ridiculous!!!! Clearchannel should run the ad! If Rush is such a coward then doesnt it make sense that he is more than likely the reason behind why CC didnt want to run the ad? I blame Rush, not CC.
October 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmstations don't make money from their audience. if anything, the advertisers that purchase air-time during rush's block do so because they have something other than money invested in their spot that run during a desired program. airing the votevets ad would only deter potential clients that believe in and support rush's words and illicit cause for current clients to pull from that station.
you make it sound as though the troops have absolutely no voice, when it is anything but. as i said in a previous post, the program that follows rush is randi rhodes who is carried by air america, a broadcasting corporation identified chiefly by their liberal political views. if you tune in to her, i'm sure there will be no shortage of every variable that is fueling this controversy.
October 5th, 2007 at 9:21 pmright. it is about raising money and awareness. the otherness that they have invested is their choice of programming they choose to associate their message with. did you every study advertising and marketing? like i said before you wouldn't advertise viagra in a lesbian magazine. we all get why votevet wanted their ad to run during rush's block, but the effort was fruitless. any program director or gm would have done the same. the ad conflicts with the subject matter of the scheduled programming. it's not hard to understand the rationale behind hunt's move.
October 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmi remember a few years back on rhodes' show when she made the claim that jesus was a homosexual... if you are a little late to the game or just unaware, it is part of these host's intention to shock the listener.
the move not to air that ad was expected and text-book procedure in dealing with the issue that was at hand. what was or wasn't the right way to deal with votevet's ad has been beaten and disected over and over again and has long since passed, so stop trying to kindle what little wood there is left that is heating this debate with rehash.
again. there is a time and a place for everything. mcgough will get his airtime on a program where he is welcomed and appreciated. that just doesn't happen to be on rush's program. placing any blame on the higher-ups at wjno is absurd. the decision to deny its airing was out of their hands the second it was proposed. wjno is just another station out of the lot that airs rush's syndication. if you haven't caught on, my whole argument has never been about whether or not mcgough deserves a voice on rush's program, it is whether or not one clearchannel market deserves complete blame for being targeted by votevet's ad campaign. like i said, any gm or program
directore would have done the same.
have a pleasant evening.
October 6th, 2007 at 12:02 am