Comments on: Senior U.S. Military Official Faults Blackwater In The Shooting Of 11 Iraqi Civilians http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:28:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4109109 Chocolate Jesus Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:22:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4109109 >Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official, > who spoke on condition of anonymity?” Because, genius, whether you like it or not, Blackwater meets the united states own definition of an "unlawful combatant". Since when is someone like you insisting that we need due process for unlawful combatants accused of wrongdoing by our own military? And unlike others accused of being unlawful combatants, these guys have contractually designated themselves as such. So no need to even give them a hearing to determine thier status. Two of the five elements (elements meaning you need all of them) to the united states definition of what constitutes a lawful combatant is that you 1) wear a uniform and 2) are bound by some code of military justice. Blackwater meets neither. Ergo, they are (by the united states own designation) unlawful combatants. >Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official,
> who spoke on condition of anonymity?”

Because, genius, whether you like it or not, Blackwater meets the united states own definition of an “unlawful combatant”. Since when is someone like you insisting that we need due process for unlawful combatants accused of wrongdoing by our own military? And unlike others accused of being unlawful combatants, these guys have contractually designated themselves as such. So no need to even give them a hearing to determine thier status. Two of the five elements (elements meaning you need all of them) to the united states definition of what constitutes a lawful combatant is that you 1) wear a uniform and 2) are bound by some code of military justice. Blackwater meets neither. Ergo, they are (by the united states own designation) unlawful combatants.

]]> By: Dave http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4108020 Dave Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:22:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4108020 Thank you candyce and katy for the support. It's an understatement to say that this type of behavoir really needs to be reigned in. Thank you candyce and katy for the support. It’s an understatement to say that this type of behavoir really needs to be reigned in.

]]> By: KYJurisDoctor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107836 KYJurisDoctor Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:01:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107836 Blackwater ... our black eye! http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/blackwater-could-turn-out-to-be-black.html Blackwater … our black eye!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/blackwater-could-turn-out-to-be-black.html

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107788 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:38:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107788 Tampachessdon: "Why drag Slick Willy into this?" Shouldn't your handle be "tampacheckersdon?" Tampachessdon: “Why drag Slick Willy into this?”

Shouldn’t your handle be “tampacheckersdon?”

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107782 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:37:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107782 tampachessdon: " Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging?" Did you hold this thoughtful position in the 90's? tampachessdon: ” Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging?”

Did you hold this thoughtful position in the 90’s?

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107691 texaslady Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:14:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107691 #35 Consensual sex is better than 3808 troops who will never come home. Ask their families who they would rather have as President. You must be being paid to support this despicable piece of garbage or just not very bright. #35 Consensual sex is better than 3808 troops who will never come home. Ask their families who they would rather have as President.

You must be being paid to support this despicable piece of garbage or just not very bright.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107669 Lefty Patriot Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:06:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107669 Why drag Slick Willy into this? Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 12:53 pm Why not? he wasn't a mass murderer without a conscience, like Bush is. He stands up quite well, morally, intellectually and politically, next to the Shrub. Bring him up? Of course we should, and we should be proud of our last successful president, even though the rightards spent $70 million of taxpayer money to not convict him of anything. Nothing, zero, zip. hahaha, you're such f*cking losers. Thansk for '06! Why drag Slick Willy into this?

Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 12:53 pm

Why not? he wasn’t a mass murderer without a conscience, like Bush is. He stands up quite well, morally, intellectually and politically, next to the Shrub. Bring him up? Of course we should, and we should be proud of our last successful president, even though the rightards spent $70 million of taxpayer money to not convict him of anything. Nothing, zero, zip.

hahaha, you’re such f*cking losers. Thansk for ‘06!

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107638 texaslady Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:47:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107638 #33 would it be possible to lump them all together and flush the whole bunch at once ? Lie after lie after lie and still the 31%ers continue to stand up for their man. This 31 % must be the ones still thinking Nixon got a dirty deal. Like the person caught in adultery "who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?" #33 would it be possible to lump them all together and flush the whole bunch at once ? Lie after lie after lie and still the 31%ers continue to stand up for their man. This 31 % must be the ones still thinking Nixon got a dirty deal.

Like the person caught in adultery “who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107623 Lefty Patriot Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:33:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107623 Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity?” Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging? Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 11:51 am Jumping to conclusions for 6 years, now. It's time for public hangings, starting with Cheney, Bush and Rice, followed by Rumsfeld, Perle and Kristol. Then the Podhoretz's can have their own gallows, followed by Lieberman, Hunter and Rush Limbaugh. This could take a while; treason is rampant on the right. Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity?” Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging?

Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 11:51 am

Jumping to conclusions for 6 years, now. It’s time for public hangings, starting with Cheney, Bush and Rice, followed by Rumsfeld, Perle and Kristol. Then the Podhoretz’s can have their own gallows, followed by Lieberman, Hunter and Rush Limbaugh.

This could take a while; treason is rampant on the right.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107615 Wayne Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:26:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107615 <em>That is, mercenary forces simply should have no place in the national defense of an American democracy. Comment by AngryOne — October 5, 2007 @ 12:13 pm</em> Neither should torture, secret prisons, dropping White Phosphorus on civilians, etc, etc, etc......... That is, mercenary forces simply should have no place in the national defense of an American democracy.
Comment by AngryOne — October 5, 2007 @ 12:13 pm

Neither should torture, secret prisons, dropping White Phosphorus on civilians, etc, etc, etc………

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107596 texaslady Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:17:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107596 Erik Prince and family have long ties to Bush in 2004 the contributed $325,000 to Bush's campaign. That is just what had to be recorded. Factcheck.org Blackwater was also involved in arranging private parties with call girls and Senators in Washington D.C. a few years ago. My thought...party on but don't be bible thumping to the masses while doing what you do. Erik Prince and family have long ties to Bush in 2004 the contributed $325,000 to Bush’s campaign. That is just what had to be recorded.

Factcheck.org

Blackwater was also involved in arranging private parties with call girls and Senators in Washington D.C. a few years ago. My thought…party on but don’t be bible thumping to the masses while doing what you do.

]]> By: AngryOne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107589 AngryOne Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:13:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107589 In Washington this week, all eyes are on the Blackwater hearings. But the relentless focus on potential atrocities committed by unaccountable, grotesquely overpaid private security firms in Iraq and Afghanistan obscures the larger issue for the United States. That is, <i>mercenary forces simply should have no place in the national defense of an American democracy</i>. For the details, see: <b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000772.htm" rel="nofollow">"The Meaning of Blackwater."</a></b> In Washington this week, all eyes are on the Blackwater hearings. But the relentless focus on potential atrocities committed by unaccountable, grotesquely overpaid private security firms in Iraq and Afghanistan obscures the larger issue for the United States. That is, mercenary forces simply should have no place in the national defense of an American democracy.

For the details, see:
“The Meaning of Blackwater.”

]]> By: Luis M http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107585 Luis M Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:10:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107585 <em>Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity?” Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging? Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 11:51 am </em> Well the Iraqis have done their own investigations, too, and they reached the same conclusion. So it's not only that one anonymous military official who's blaming Blackwater. Why are we jumping to conclusions based on a “U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity?” Could we perhaps wait for the conclusion of the public hearings before we hold a public hanging?
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 11:51 am

Well the Iraqis have done their own investigations, too, and they reached the same conclusion. So it’s not only that one anonymous military official who’s blaming Blackwater.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107561 Wayne Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:58:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107561 where are the trolls? Comment by duus — October 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am THE troll spent all night on the Coulter thread. Switching identities and posting drivel all night is hard work, it's tired. where are the trolls?

Comment by duus — October 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am

THE troll spent all night on the Coulter thread. Switching identities and posting drivel all night is hard work, it’s tired.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107559 The Republic of Stupidity Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:57:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107559 before we hold a public hanging? More likely Bush will declare someone a "hero" and give the man medal. before we hold a public hanging?

More likely Bush will declare someone a “hero” and give the man medal.

]]> By: Luis M http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107544 Luis M Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:48:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107544 <em>If a foreign country contracted with a quasi-military organization to provide security within the United States borders, and if that same organization killed civilians…. what would we be calling it? Comment by raynman — October 5, 2007 @ 11:04 am </em> Unlawful enemy combatants? Hmm, can the Iraqis legally claim that Blackwater mercenaries are unlawful enemy combatants and send them to their own version of GITMO? Oh no, they can't, thanks to Bremerm who legitimized their presence in Iraq and put them outside of Iraqi law's reach. If a foreign country contracted with a quasi-military organization to provide security within the United States borders, and if that same organization killed civilians…. what would we be calling it?
Comment by raynman — October 5, 2007 @ 11:04 am

Unlawful enemy combatants? Hmm, can the Iraqis legally claim that Blackwater mercenaries are unlawful enemy combatants and send them to their own version of GITMO?

Oh no, they can’t, thanks to Bremerm who legitimized their presence in Iraq and put them outside of Iraqi law’s reach.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107542 The Republic of Stupidity Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:45:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107542 popping their medications probably Comment by bob h — October 5, 2007 @ 11:21 am Trolls med up via suppository... popping their medications probably

Comment by bob h — October 5, 2007 @ 11:21 am

Trolls med up via suppository…

]]> By: henry wallace http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107532 henry wallace Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:38:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107532 Military needs to take out Blackwater before there are any more mysterious US military assinations. Military needs to take out Blackwater before there are any more mysterious US military assinations.

]]> By: bob h http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107517 bob h Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:22:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107517 probably schizing b/c they didnt receive the talking point indicating soldiers = bad now. probably schizing b/c they didnt receive the talking point indicating soldiers = bad now.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-4107516 Krazny Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:22:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/blackwater-fault/#comment-4107516 <em>where are the trolls? Comment by duus — October 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am</em> Waiting for Rush to tell them what to think. where are the trolls?

Comment by duus — October 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am

Waiting for Rush to tell them what to think.

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