Does Bush Think His New Joint Chiefs Chairman Is ‘Naïve’?
Does Bush Think His New Joint Chiefs Chairman Is ‘Naïve’?
In May, former senator John Edwards (D-NC) said that “war on terrorism” is a “slogan designed only for politics, not a strategy to make America safe.” During a press conference, Bush attacked critics of the phrase, calling them “naive“:
This notion about how this isn’t a war on terror in my view is naïve. It doesn’t reflect the true nature of the world in which we live, you know?
Watch it:
Al Kamen reports today that incoming Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike McMullen is also opposed to the use of the words “global war on terror“:
Seems the incoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Michael Mullen, has banned the use of the phrase “Global War on Terror” (GWOT) and has prohibited using it “in any future correspondence,” according to a Sept. 27 e-mail from a Mullen aide.
Vice President Cheney has also ripped critics of the “war on terror” nameplate. After House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) objected to the use of the phrase, Vice President Cheney said Skelton exhibited “flawed thinking” and was “dead wrong on this.”
But in reality, even President Bush, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and former Joint Chiefs Chairman Richard Myers have stated that the “global war on terror” is misnamed.
The administration continues to flaunt the phrase “global war on terror.” Will President Bush and Dick Cheney attack their new Joint Chiefs chairman as “naïve” and “dead wrong?”
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i wanna name it!
October 5th, 2007 at 12:02 pm‘how about
giant pile of dog shit war
October 5th, 2007 at 12:03 pmOooo… new game show! “Name That War!”
October 5th, 2007 at 12:05 pmIt helps to remember that everything Bush says is a lie.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI think it’s time to declare war on metaphorical wars.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmName that War:
Bush’s
Total
October 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWar
Against
Terror
Is it 2009 yet?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:09 pmThey can always alternate “dead wrong” with “flat wrong”….
October 5th, 2007 at 12:09 pmDoes Bush Think His New Joint Chiefs Chairman Is ‘Naïve’?
More importantly, does his new joint chiefs Chairman think Bush can pronounce ‘Naïve’?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:10 pmRegime Change One Country at a Time.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:11 pmBush is Cheney’s knave
October 5th, 2007 at 12:12 pmGood one BnF……Am I the only one that picked up on this one.?…Yep he is a ……Blessings
October 5th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRepublican hypocrisy is so complace place, I am actually beginning to find it boring.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:14 pmOooo… new game show! “Name That War!â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 5, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Question 1… What war are we fighting in Afghanistan? Is it a war on:
(a) Drugs;
October 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pm(b) Poverty;
(c) Terrorism;
(d) Islamofascism;
(e) What the decider decides is his decision as commander-in-chief and irrespective of whether Congressional authorization is obtained?
August 1, 2005:
In a rhetorical shift last week, the Bush administration unveiled a new name for its worldwide war against an abstraction. The old moniker “Global War on Terror” (or GWOT) has been exchanged for the new label, the “Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism” (or G-SAVE). The results for America and the world, sadly, will be the same.
A suggestion: the policy of the Bush administration should bear a more accurate name – Global Struggle for the Political Opportunity of Terrorism (G-SPOT).
For more, see:
October 5th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“.”The Global War on Error.”
That was then, this is now. Tomorrow it will be something different.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:18 pmLord, please tell me, how much longer do we have to tolerate this guy?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:18 pmDumb_Fox,
I think the correct answer is that we’re fighting a war on the middle class in America.
All the rest is a diversion. War is good business for many Corporate entities. War is good business for Bush & Cheney. Cheney, in particular.
By the way, where is the Big Dick? Condi?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmDoes Bush Think His New Joint Chiefs Chairman Is ‘Naïve’?
Obviously, yes. Either that, or it’s only the libs who are “naive” when they criticize the glaring idiocy of the phrase. I won’t hold my breath waiting for Dubya to explain this one.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:21 pmLord, please tell me, how much longer do we have to tolerate this guy?
Comment by spearNmagicHelmet — October 5, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
473 more days, since impeachment is “off the table”.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:22 pmRumsfeld is many things, naive is not one of them.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:23 pmBush doesn’t understand that the military is opposed to EVERYTHING he does. Why should ADM Mullen be any different?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:24 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — October 5, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
As sharp as ever BnF. Good one.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:24 pmIOKIYAR
October 5th, 2007 at 12:25 pmBy the way, where is the Big Dick? Condi?
Comment by Zimzone
Another indication of nefariousness afoot, in addition to the absence of Cheney; is a blitz of the blathering Bush, bumbling around blowing smoke…..
October 5th, 2007 at 12:25 pm“In a rhetorical shift last week, the Bush administration unveiled a new name for its worldwide war against an abstraction. The old moniker “Global War on Terror†(or GWOT) has been exchanged for the new label, the “Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism†(or G-SAVE). The results for America and the world, sadly, will be the same.”
A suggestion: the policy of the Bush administration should bear a more accurate name – Global Struggle for the Political Opportunity of Terrorism (G-SPOT).
Comment by AngryOne — October 5, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
It really doesn’t matter how many of these cute fuzzy phrases are used to describe what we’re doing. Until we call it what it really is — OPERATION OILGRAB — they’re all meaningless.
Although yours DOES have a certain ring to it…
October 5th, 2007 at 12:27 pmNavin: For one dollar I’ll guess your weight, your height, or your sex.
[Navin recites some wisdom]
Navin : Lord loves a workin’ man; don’t trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
-”The Jerk”
October 5th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWill President Bush and Dick Cheney attack their new Joint Chiefs chairman as “naïve†and “dead wrong?â€
It seems to me they already have.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThey gave the last Chairman of the Joint Chiefs the boot…..
October 5th, 2007 at 12:32 pmHow’s that bringing them to justice part going? STFU.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:34 pmHow can Bush claim the moral high ground now that he’s killed more Iraqi civilians than Saddam Hussein did? Saddam was garroted for his crimes, while Bush sleeps in the White House. What a subhuman, souless POS that man is.
When God told Bush to invade Iraq, why didn’t He tell him it would turn into a nightmarish tragedy? Why didn’t He tell him history would judge him a complete failure and an abomination to his country?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:36 pmGod doesn’t tell him sh!t. Corporations do.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:37 pmHow can Bush claim the moral high ground now that he’s killed more Iraqi civilians than Saddam Hussein did?
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 5, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Because he hasn’t….
October 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pmPerhaps we can waste some more billions giving a private contractor a sole source contract to brand this madness with a more suitable label.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pmPresident Bush is a joke and a liar and everyone around the world knows it now. He’s not viewed as the strong evil American President, his action are that of an idiot and fool. No speech writer can help him now it’s all over.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:47 pmBecause he hasn’t….
Human Rights Watch reports that Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis (another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam’s needless war with Iran i.e., non-civilian deaths attributable to needless war). Bush’s invasion of Iraq has caused, by conservative estimates, 100,000 civilian deaths (min. est: 80,000; max. est: 1,000,000)
So Bush, who claimed the invasion was necessary to prevent Saddam from killing his own citizens, has now killed at least as many civilians as Saddam did.
Tragic, but true.
http://wais.stanford.edu/ Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html
October 5th, 2007 at 12:50 pmAnother story based on an unpublished e-mail from an anonymous, un-named aid. How credible is that?
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
well, moron, it’s all we’re going to get out of fascist, totalitarian administration that fires and trashes all truth-tellers. congratulations on supporting the destruction of the USA.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:52 pm[Bush is] a complete failure and an abomination to his country…
Comment by koko the talking gorilla
…and to humankind.
∞
October 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pmmiss molly; Bush will invoke directive 51 before election day, making himself dictator for life and canceling elections.
“it would be easier in a dictatorship, just as long as I’m the dictator.”-George W. Bush
October 5th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWhat’s “Un-American” about criticizing a President?
October 5th, 2007 at 12:58 pmHey Boosh,
You can take your “lessons of 9-11″ and shove them. I was there. You showed up a few days later to plan the Republican Convention.
P.S. I didn’t crap my pants that day when it happened despite my being in the subway underneath the buildings when the attack happened. Don’t act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. We all know you sh!tting your tighty whiteys is the reason you had to sit there like a moron for 2 minutes.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:59 pmComment by Uncle Ho — October 5, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Uncle Ho = Un-American douchie
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
What’s the matter, PL, don’t like your little Hitler being quoted? Unamerican is reserved for Bush and his regime, and his supporters. Wear it; it fits you perfectly.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:59 pmProgressive Liar @ 12:55
American patriot = loyal Bushie?
I think not.
Anti-Bushie = a true patriot.
And DAMN PROUD OF IT.
BTW Bush = Hitler
October 5th, 2007 at 1:01 pmHuman Rights Watch reports that Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis (another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam’s needless war with Iran i.e., non-civilian deaths attributable to needless war).
Bush’s invasion of Iraq has caused, by conservative estimates, 100,000 civilian deaths (min. est: 80,000; max. est: 1,000,000)
So Bush, who claimed the invasion was necessary to prevent Saddam from killing his own citizens, has now killed at least as many civilians as Saddam did.
You forget the thousands of Shia Saddam murdered over his long career, as well as the casualties inflicted on Kuwait and his own army in Gulf War I. The 500,000 dead in the Iran-Iraq war are still dead, as are the half million dead Iranians, so I can’t see how they don’t figure into the tally.
The UN and Mohammad Elbaradei put the figure of Iraqi deaths at around 70,000 last month. The 1 million figure is absurd hyperbole.
And who is killing these Iraqi civilians? Bush? US troops? Or is it car-bombers and Shiite death squads – both of whom we are doing everything humanly possible to put down?
Don’t get me wrong, Koko, Iraq is a mess and has been badly botched once we got past the actual invasion, but implying Bush is worse than Saddam just doesn’t wash.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:02 pmDarn, I was looking forward to Victory Over Terror Day when the emotion terror would be forced to show up on the deck of the USS Mission Accomplished and sign a surrender agreement.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:03 pmI’m beginning to think that is just a pipe dream.
The beginning sentance of this thread hold’s the key and answer…”Does bush think”?….We all know the answer to that….He is not required to think only spin lies and order invasions of innocent countries…Appear to be the decider, pres., king, what ever….His handler’s are in the closet or basement thinking of more way’s to decieve and control us and the world…..Bush is no better than a carnival barker, shouting at the public as they walk by his stand, buy more (ball’s,bomb’s) throw them in the fish bowls and you win, another war……..Blessings.Peace
October 5th, 2007 at 1:07 pmbut implying Bush is worse than Saddam just doesn’t wash.
Comment by Keltoi
Oh yes it does. We expect brutality from saddam, we don’t expect brutality from an American president and his war machine. The thing you need to understand is that it doesn’t matter what ‘the bad guys do’, it is what WE DO. Can you please try and understand that simple point?
Do you agree that we should abandon our principles soley because some other head of state does bad things? Simple question, we will await your response.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWhat? What? What? What? What?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWhat? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What?
Bush thinks he is the smartest of all, afterall his aides tell him that hourly.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmimplying Bush is worse than Saddam just doesn’t wash.
I never said that, and it’s a lie for you to say I did. I said “How can Bush claim the moral high ground now that he’s killed more Iraqi civilians than Saddam Hussein did?” So, for putting those despicable words in my mouth, f*ck you.
The 500,000 dead in the Iran-Iraq [...] I can’t see how they don’t figure into the tally.
I said civilians. Learn to read more carefully.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmwhat?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:12 pmp.s. Do any of you understand sarcasm?
Yes, I just wasn’t thinking you were being sarcastic about the whole post though. Thanks for clearing that up, fascist!
October 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThis GWOT term is so stupid. It’s only used to scare our own citizens.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:14 pmComment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Despite Hitlers supposed socialist leanings, he in fact wasn’t very socialist. I suppose that is why he locked up all communists, and socialists in Germany. Authoritarian governments like what Bush would like to do are similar to the Nazi state in Germany, or the Imperial government of Japan.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:15 pmListen and you can hear the Rape-Public- can Sheeple bleat as they stampede off the cliff under a lie of a Global War on a tactic. Never once thinking to themselves or for themselves……….”Gee how do you win a war on tactics?”
Bleat!!!!!!!!!!! Sheeple…Bleast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2007 at 1:15 pmGood Morning Candyce, I think it should be WHO.?…….Blessings
October 5th, 2007 at 1:16 pmp.s. Trying to stick the leftwing with the fascist label ain’t gonna fly. It’s not working. Neither is trying to stick the Islamists with the fascist label. All it is is just trying to paint your enemies as fascist so you won’t be. It’s weak.
I explain further here:
http://www.leftopia.blogspot.com/
October 5th, 2007 at 1:16 pmDemocracy + Socialism = Happiness.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThe essence of fascism isn’t Socialism, and it is ignorant to say it was. The hallmark of fascism is an alliance of Rightwing, Corporate, and Nationalistic interests… which fits Bush’s White House to a “t”.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pmDon’t get me wrong, Koko, Iraq is a mess and has been badly botched once we got past the actual invasion, but implying Bush is worse than Saddam just doesn’t wash.
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
it’s not an implication, it’s a statement of fact. Bush is worse than saddam. No American president can kill a measly 70,000 iraqis for no reason and not be declared worse than the tyrant he supposedly freed the Iraqis from. And it’s most likely much closer to a million deaths, by the way. Politics and all.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pmLefties will no go down well in the history book when it comes to the War on Terror
That would be your homeschool authoritarian propagnadist history books, I assume? Because the real historians aren’t exactly on your side on that one, Mr. Fascist.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHitler invaded and occupied country after country after country until the world stepped in to stop him.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
Lefties will no go down well in the history book when it comes to the War on Terror.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
How will the conservatives go down?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:19 pmLefties will no go down well in the history book when it comes to the War on Terror.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Bush and the republicans will fair poorly in the history books. Please talk you tired talking points back to redstate, or whatever rock you crawled out from under.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pmBush is greeted as a liberator.
HA!
hahahahahahahahahaha
October 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pmLefties will no go down well in the history book when it comes to the War on Terror.
Comment by Progressive Liar
Only in the minds of the brainwashed robots supporting the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY!
October 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHitler invaded and occupied country after country after country until the world stepped in to stop him.
Bush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
Comment by Clumberfeet — October 5, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Yeah, there were all those parades in Baghdad, with people throwing roses at the troops . . . oh, sorry, those were bombs.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pmDo you agree that we should abandon our principles soley because some other head of state does bad things? Simple question, we will await your response.
Comment by StratRat — October 5, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
No, I do not. I think intent matters here. If we had the ability to make all Iraqis cease killing each other by asking nicely, I believe we’d do it. By contrast, AQ does everything they can to kill civilians and incite sectarian hatred. Saddam used all the appartus of the Police State to keep his people in fear. Removing him was good. The result has not been good – yet.
Let me ask you a question. If in the next 15 months the violence in Iraq was to calm down signifigantly, political compromise could be reached among the sectarian factions and a kind of representative democracy emerged in that country, would that make you happy?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:21 pm31 – Koko, you said it, so I don’t have to. Thank you.
God, I hate these people.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:21 pmBush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
Comment by Clumberfeet — October 5, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Who’s greeting him again? I forget. Or does he see himself as a liberator? Oh wait, that’s what he tells his people. I don’t think he is any better of a liberator than those of the Crusades were.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHow will the conservatives go down?
Comment by Picklee — October 5, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Erm. Not touching that one.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:21 pmLet me ask you a question. If in the next 15 months the violence in Iraq was to calm down signifigantly, political compromise could be reached among the sectarian factions and a kind of representative democracy emerged in that country, would that make you happy?
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
If someone promised me free beer and Italian beef sandwiches for life, I’d be happy. It ain’t gonna happen.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:22 pmefties will no go down well in the history book when it comes to the War on Terror.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
You’re joking, right? righties lost the war on terror on 9/11, surrendered to Osama, gave him everything he demanded, then let him go. there is no longer a war on terror, there is only a war OF terror, being waged by Bush and Big Oil. the history books will compare you and your party with Hitler, and they will be fair comparisons.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWow! What’s THAT guy smoking?
Comment by margaret — October 5, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Something that you are too young to have.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:23 pmush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
Comment by Clumberfeet — October 5, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
That must be why the coalition of the willing has stepped up so strongly.
you’re very stupid.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:24 pmthe history books will compare you and your party with Hitler, and they will be fair comparisons.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 5, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Quite fair, indeed.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:24 pmComment by Keltoi
It’s not going to happen – you blew it. When you talk of victory and defeat you are only speaking of your narrow, provincial political victory or defeat. You want us to stay there as long as possible simply out of vanity. If the rightwing had the capacity to admit when they make a mistake, you might have a point. But you won’t ever do that. Never admitting you have lost doesn’t mean you win in perpetuity. It just means you’re delusional.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLefties are willing defenders of bomb-strapping Muslims.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Look an idiotic talking point.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLefties are willing defenders of bomb-strapping Muslims.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Will you just make meaningless statements? Or are you actually going to make a point?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLefties are willing defenders of bomb-strapping Muslims.
This kind of divisive rhetoric is convincing no one anymore. Weak.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLet me ask you a question. If in the next 15 months the violence in Iraq was to calm down signifigantly, political compromise could be reached among the sectarian factions and a kind of representative democracy emerged in that country, would that make you happy?
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
No. If it doesn’t will tht make you happy? you seem to enjoy and celebrate the deaths of Aemrican troops and Iraqi civilians, and you seem to have no facts at your disposal, so I guess all we can ask is: will it make you happy if American troops are still being killed at this rate 15 months from now?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pmLet me ask you a question. If in the next 15 months the violence in Iraq was to calm down signifigantly, political compromise could be reached among the sectarian factions and a kind of representative democracy emerged in that country, would that make you happy?
Comment by Keltoi
Of course it would. I would think most any sane person would hope and pray what you describe actually happens. The thing which makes me skeptical (sp?) is that the folks who created this firestorm of a clusterf@ck are now being expected to clean up their mess. It ain’t going to happen. The wrong group of people invaded the wrong country for all the wrong reasons and you would expect us to believe NOW bush is going to fix it? Sorry brother, that ship has sailed, and there is no turning back.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pmLefties are willing defenders of bomb-strapping Muslims.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Righties are willing defenders of civilian-killing contractors.
Guess which asseveration has the facts to back it up?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pmHitler invaded and occupied country after country after country until the world stepped in to stop him.
Bush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
I was being facetious.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pmhttp://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=facetious
How will the conservatives go down..?….ROFLMAO….Seems to me we have been seeing the answer to that one in the weekly new’s…..Kind of make’s the little Lawinsky thing so very slight, don’t ya think?…….Well, at least it was normal…Blessings
October 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pmGo suck on one of the Duke 88 professors and maybe they’ll help you publish one of those “history†texts, none of which will sell.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Haha, except a textbook called A People’s History, Mr. Zinn. Read it, and maybe you’d understand your own history a little better.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe very idea that Hilary is some kind of extreme radical is Hil-arious. I mean, come on now. What bizarro world do you live in?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:30 pm>>I never said that, and it’s a lie for you to say I did. I said “How can Bush claim the moral high ground now that he’s killed more Iraqi civilians than Saddam Hussein did?†So, for putting those despicable words in my mouth, f*ck you.
Yikes! I didn’t realize the Anthropologists who taught you to speak were so naughty!
Jesting aside, I apologize, you are correct, you did not say that. There are LEGIONS of Libs who HAVE said exactly that and worse, you don’t deserve to get lumped in with them.
>>The 500,000 dead in the Iran-Iraq […] I can’t see how they don’t figure into the tally.
I said civilians. Learn to read more carefully.
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 5, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Again, fair enough, but in this “war” we are currently fighting the distinction between soldier and civilian is non-existent. Everybody is a target. Our side is the only one wearing uniforms.
For example, the military recently released a figure suggesting they have killed around 19,000 “militants” since June 2003 – how does that figure into the body count? Civilians? Soldiers? (NOTE: They veracity of the 19,000 figure or the trustworthiness of the military is ancillary to the main point, please don’t anyone freak) As I said in post 77, intent matters. Saddam killed only for his own power and sadism. Only time will tell if we are sincere in our desire to make a representative form of government in Iraq a reality, but I at least am hopeful that all this sacrifice by our troops will be worth something when it is all over.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAgain, Democracy + Socialism = Happiness.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pmMany more civilian contractors have died in Iraq. Care much to report on them?
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Many more, compared to what?
It’s evil and wrong when the insurgents, resistance fighters, Al Qaeda followers, Sunni or shiite death squads kill the innocent iraqi (or foreign) civilian contractors. It’s equally evil and wrong when Blackwater mercenaries kill them, too.
Criticizing Blackwater mercenaries does not equal to letting the rest of them off the hook. But saying “they kill more civilians than we do!” is certainly a very stupid defense.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pmo suck on one of the Duke 88 professors and maybe they’ll help you publish one of those “history†texts, none of which will sell.
Comment by Progressive Liar — October 5, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Where are the facts wrong? A sociopathic little loser invades a small, defenseless country illegally, after failig to defend the homeland from an attack from somewhere other than the country he’s invading; he murders thousands of innocents, all the while cackling gleefully about Shock & Awe, then proceeds to destroy the country and its people, while killing thousands of his own troops. Seems to be a very fair and accurate comparison, indeed, and Bush comes out worse because he is the pres of the United States, up until that point the country known for winning wars started by other people, with a few exceptions, of course. No, I think I’m on firm ground here: Bush and Hitler will occupy the same pge in History: two sick, inept, vain, egotistical, murderous losers, looked upon with scorn and disgust for the rest of time.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pmRegime Change One Country at a Time.
Comment by Candyce
Why do we have to wait until 2009 to get a Regime Change?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhy do we have to wait until 2009 to get a Regime Change?
We don’t but the Blue Dog Democrats are standing in the way.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:35 pmBut saying “they kill more civilians than we do!†is certainly a very stupid defense.
Comment by Luis M — October 5, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
And not only stupid, but irrelevant. The point here is that we are better than they are. We shouldn’t have to stoop to their level. If we do the same horrible things as they do, does that make it alright simply because they are doing them to? Absolutely not. There should be no tolerance for such actions today.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmBecause he hasn’t….
Comment by Keltoi
Ok Far Left Loon Keltoi. Because you say it, it must be true.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI’ll help those of you who can’t find it. Most of these do sound like Hillary/Billary, but they were all part of Hitler’s 25 points for the National Socialist a/k/a NAZI party. Be careful what you wish for.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
sorry, you’ll have to link to Hillary’s plan that you say is the same as Hitler’s. Your fevered imagination is the only place that bullshit exists. Nice try, but insane rightard talking points are not facts. Facts, as you know, favor the left.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmFacts, as you know, favor the left.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
This is true.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pmomment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Umm sure, so what color is the sky in your world?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pmbomb strapping Muslims = Liberation fighters.
They are the modern equivalent of the French Resistance of WWII against oppressive invaders and occupiers.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“Ok Far Left Loon Keltoi.” I give it up. I can’t seem to call them Far Right Loon for some reason. O’Reilly’s phrase just sticks in my pea brain. I’m going back to Right Wing Loon. I like it better anyway.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:38 pmLefty, you can’t handle the truth. If you could, you’d be a right thinking Republican.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Not only can i handle the truth, but I own it. You havenothing, no truth, no position to defend your bloodlust from. All of the Chimp’s reasons for invading were lies, and all have been proven as such. there is no such creature as a right thinking republican. Conservatives are stupid, by definition, if they were smart, they’d be liberals. While there are some stupid liberals, there are most certainly no smart conservatives.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#106 I understand,
October 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmIt’s sad when propaganda and satire get confused.
Back at ya Margaret, ……Off to hug the tree king and run the Bear……You all have a good day, if possible…Blessings
October 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOf course not margaret. Libs are never happy.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
that’s why conservatives deal in hate and fear, because they’re so happy. You’re as stupid as anyone i’ve ever encountered. A lifelong conservative, I’m sure; that depth of stupid is inborn.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOf course not margaret. Libs are never happy.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Another stale and sad talking point.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmLefty, you can’t handle the truth. If you could, you’d be a right thinking Republican.
His lame comeback was directed at me! Get your own delusional troll! LOL.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:46 pmSeriously, do you trolls actually believe you’re making convincing arguments?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:47 pmOf course not margaret. Libs are never happy.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Would you also suggest that half a billion people in Europe are not content with their social-democratic governments? Do you think that they, too, are discontent with corporate accountability, full health care, and social programs that help everyone?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pmAnother story based on an unpublished e-mail from an anonymous, un-named aid. How credible is that?
Comment by Tampachessdon
About as credible as anything that comes out of Bush’s mouth. Frankly I am encouraged that whistle blowers are starting to speak up about the crimes this administration has committed. They can’t publicly make their declarations if they value their career, their lives and the lives of their loved ones.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:49 pmBut you won’t ever do that. Never admitting you have lost doesn’t mean you win in perpetuity. It just means you’re delusional.
Comment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
The “you” in this sentence is plural and applied to “conservatives” I hope; that would make the statement generally true.
Obviously, hideous mistakes have been made in the course of the war. Whether IT was a mistake is still dependent on how it ends.
As to your point about never admitting you have lost, that can cut both ways. Ted Kennedy was calling Iraq a quagmire before the troops even reached Bagdhad. What I am saying is, it is equally delusional to think it is impossible to ever win as it is to never admit you have lost.
There are some Americans who are hoping we lose in Iraq, and that when we are forced out by domestic politics the place explodes 100 times worse so that they can feel good about calling Bush Hitler and all that. I think there are at least SOME liberals who want to force immediate withdrawal just so things REALLY go to Hell there and it can be used as a political weapon in 2008.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:50 pmTheir commentary show you for what you really are. They must make you proud.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
That’s it? You couldn’t even direct your answer to my comment? You had to make another invaluable statement about liberals in general. Why don’t you tell me how I’m wrong instead of saying how you’re right?
October 5th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThere is no such creature as a right thinking republican. Conservatives are stupid, by definition, if they were smart, they’d be liberals. While there are some stupid liberals, there are most certainly no smart conservatives.
Anyone who really wants to understand the motivations of the Republicans, read Conservatives without Conscience by John Dean (a Republican, BTW). He carefully illustrates how conservatives are mostly people who need strong authority figures in their lives. They have a problem thinking for themselves so they align them selves with a party that values loyalty above all else. They are secure in knowing that their party will tell them what to think and how to behave. We see this demonstrated daily with our resident “trolls”. I don’t believe I have ever read an original thought written by any of the trolls here.
That’s why the Democratic party is so messy. It is occupied by intelligent people who think and form opinions for themselves. The Democrats can rarely get consensus among their members because of this. Unlike the Lemming Republicans who are following Bush off a cliff rather than making up their own minds. Personally I would much rather be a member of a messy party like the Democrats than a Lock-Step Lemming party like the Republicans.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmAs to your point about never admitting you have lost, that can cut both ways. Ted Kennedy was calling Iraq a quagmire before the troops even reached Bagdhad. What I am saying is, it is equally delusional to think it is impossible to ever win as it is to never admit you have lost.
I really hope you don’t think it’s a clever rhetorical play to argue both sides so you get the status quo and nothing ever changes. That’s pretty much the conservative philosophy in a nutshell. Destroy all debate, sow doubt and do all you can yo preserve the status quo (and thus your profit margins).
October 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmBecause he hasn’t….
Comment by Keltoi
Ok Far Left Loon Keltoi. Because you say it, it must be true.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Hi Bilbo! Far Left…ah, damn, I scrolled down further and saw I am back to RWL…..
I didn’t just say it, Koko and I “batted it around”….know where I got that from…? ;)
October 5th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMaking fun of Hilary like it’s supposed to hurt or insult us is laughable. It reminds me of Enemy Mine when the alien thinks he’s insulting Dennis Quaid’s “god” Mickey Mouse.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmOOOPS! Sorry Margaret, didn’t answer your question…..Yep! very quaint…Comical even…..The Clinton year’s were great for the econemy, world standing, most citizen’s were very happy…..Our misery index is over taxed these day’s…..Since 2000 only big oil, big business and evil insider’s are happy, anger abound’s and the country is devided…..Continious war for profit and control only breed’s hate and more of the same…..Back to the big cedar…..Blessings and good day……..Peace is the answer
October 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmHistory shows you’re wrong unpatriotic lefty a/k/a “Lefty Patriot.†Study it and you’ll see.
Please be more vague.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pm[...] Venezuala until we too are a Totalitarian Socialist state.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Okay. We need to clear some things up here. Socialism is an ideology. A Totalitarian state is a form of government. To suggest that socialism is not possible simply because it is so commonly paired with Facists (another form of government) and Totalitarians, is absurd.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:58 pmKelt; it is about much more than feeling good about calling Bush another Hitler. Read about the Nuremberg trials after WWII. Starting a war is THE ultimate war crime. Compare what Hitler & gang did in 1939 to what Bush & Co. did in 2003. In the view of the Nuremberg ruling, the UN charter of 1945, and the Kellogg-Brandt Pact of 1928, there is NO difference between Hitler and Bush. They were BOTH EQUALLY GUILTY.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pmNo, I do not. I think intent matters here.
“Intent” never matters — consequences are what matters. Everybody wishes they could be judged based on their intentions, yet everyone judges and gets judged based on the consequnces of their actions.
That’s real life, get used to it.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pmI heard in an unpublished e-mail from an un-named, anonymous aid of Hillary/Billary that Hillary/Billary plans to start with the nationalization of health care and then move on to nationalize everything like her hero in Venezuala until we too are a Totalitarian Socialist state. The person spoke only on grounds of anonymity because she is afraid for her life, her career and her loved ones.
Comment by Tampachessdon
Wow, that sounds good to me. Health care for all. Nationalize the natural resources we all need for our daily existence. I’ll buy it. Sounds much better than the system we have now where we think that health care is a privilege instead of a right, or being in a country where people freeze to death because they don’t have the resources to pay for the heat they need.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWow, that sounds good to me. Health care for all. Nationalize the natural resources we all need for our daily existence. I’ll buy it. Sounds much better than the system we have now where we think that health care is a privilege instead of a right, or being in a country where people freeze to death because they don’t have the resources to pay for the heat they need.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Indeed. At least under Saddam, the people had electricity and running water.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI really hope you don’t think it’s a clever rhetorical play to argue both sides so you get the status quo and nothing ever changes.Comment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Nothing so cynical. I view myself as a moderate, which in TP makes me far right, but I think both Rush and Randy Rhodes are ideological screwballs – but they are welcome to be so. I tend to be right of center, I’ll admit it, but I am not a wild eyed partisan for anyone. I’d vote for Obama over anyone in the Republican field in a heartbeat if he could get past Hillary.
There is a CHANCE Iraq will turn out looking more like Germany and Japan than Vietnam. That would be good for America.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pmIt’s working for Bolivia.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI think there are at least SOME liberals who want to force immediate withdrawal just so things REALLY go to Hell there and it can be used as a political weapon in 2008.
That’s another despicable thing for you to say: can you support that with a single credible — or even spurious! — citation?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSometimes, I swear to God, I just can’t believe that people *still* buy what the Busheviks are selling.
They must have post-its stuck *everywhere* that say, “Breathe in. Breathe out.”
Good grief. Such incredible stupidity is just unbelieveable to me. :o/
Either they’re incredibly stupid – or more likely, just plain evil.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pmOh yes, I look forward to a Socialist state where I have no incentive to work because the government will provide me with everything to which I am “entitled.†[...]
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Do you think Europeans don’t work?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
And besides it working for Bolivia, it works for all of Europe. Why is the euro worth almost twice the amount of the dollar? And you can’t blame this one on the Democrats because, lo and behold, it’s been Bushenomics for the past 7 years.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pm“Intent†never matters — consequences are what matters. Everybody wishes they could be judged based on their intentions, yet everyone judges and gets judged based on the consequnces of their actions.
That’s real life, get used to it.
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 5, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
I agree! I am just saying the full consequences of our actions in Iraq are not yet known. Our STATED intent is creating a democracy in Iraq – I am not a mind reader, it seems to me that is what we are actually trying for. Compare that to the STATED intent of AQ, or the past record of Saddam, and I think our intent is the best for the future of Iraq and the US.
Can we put our intent into action? The jury is still out.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by Tampachessdon
Yes, Archie, we’re all pinko commies.
Listen up, dipstick, I live in Brooklyn, there are NO Republicans around. I can honestly say that I do not know or know anyone who knows a Communist, a Marxist, a Stalinist or a Leninist. It’s a total strawman. The rightwing are the radicals here and no amount of hysterical McCarthyism is going to convince people otherwise.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pmLet me get this straight Tampachessdon, you heard (?) an unpublished email (emails are published?) from some un-named person and you believe them. Given the hook, line and sinker bit the right has (been) taken from this administration I don’t doubt you may believe the email fairytale but you can’t expect the thinking people of this planet will want to swallow your flights of fancy.
I’m guessing you defended Cheney after he shot that guy in the face. Did you ignore that he was drinking while on medication? That he was shooting mostly at the ground? But you take the bait of unfounded BS like this (and WMD’s and AQ ties to Saddam and to the word “War”)
I’m guessing you believe that good intelligence comes from torture and all those in Gitmo should be there even though no charges have been placed against many with no form of representation or the chance to face their accuser. Nevermind that no trial has taken place yet for any of them.
I’ll just cut to the chase. there is no tooth fairy, santa claus or easter bunny. You were more tolerated than liked by your “friends” and most people do laugh behind your back. I’ll do it to your face.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pmKeltoi – our “stated intent” doesn’t mean SH*T. It’s all a lie. Duh.
Don’t you get that?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3690000&page=1
I’m starting to like this guy more and more.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI think there are at least SOME liberals who want to force immediate withdrawal just so things REALLY go to Hell there and it can be used as a political weapon in 2008.
That’s another despicable thing for you to say: can you support that with a single credible — or even spurious! — citation?
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 5, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Key Words: “Think” and “SOME”.
Are you telling me you don’t think there is ANYONE on the Left who see a failure in Iraq as a political hammer to crush the Republicans with? If I searched hard enough through TP archives I suspect I could come up with rhetoric that would support such a view. But it is an academic argument.
Considering some of the hideous and despicable motivations that are ascribed to the Right and accepted as gospel by most – MOST, not ALL – TPers, my statement doesn’t seem so far fetched.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmKeltoi sez:
This is just plain psychotic. If we somehow accomplish a “victory” that the proponents of this criminal occupation can’t even define, much less achieve, it will somehow not be a mistake? The thousands of U.S. military casualties and the millions of Iraqi civilian casualties (yes, Keltoi, millions…your figure of 70,000 is the very definition of delusion), not to mention the casualties ensured in perpetuity, thanks to the 1000-2000 tons of DU we’ve sown the soil with…all this death and horror and despair may be ‘worth it’, depending on the outcome?
Keltoi, whether a course of action is right or wrong is not dependent upon its outcome. Attempting to argue that it is is the most pernicious form of moral relativism.
Actually, so did Cheney…imagine that.
That’s just plain idiotic. The former is an acknowledgment of reality, while the latter is a stubborn denial of it.
Are there? Name them, or retract your bullsh!t accusation.
(BTW, I don’t “feel good” about calling Bush ‘Hitler’ and all that, and I feel worse with every additional unnecessary death. But I’m not going to stop calling a spade a spade (or, in this case, a Nazi a Nazi).
And I think that there are at least SOME neocons who sodomize infants and then devour them alive.
(Note: the above was extreme hyperbole utilized to make a point…due to the inability of the average neocon apologist to recognize this, this disclaimer is necessary.)
See, Keltoi? I can make ridiculous unsubstantiated claims too.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCan we put our intent into action? The jury is still out.
Like hell it is. That Bush’s Iraq invasion was doomed to failure was 100% predictable. Six months before Bush invaded Iraq, Al Gore said that a pre-emptive war on Iraq would increase the number of terrorists, undercut US influence in the region, and diminish US legitimacy in the world affairs.
George Bush said that his war on Iraq would last “weeks, not months,” Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war, and a tide of Democracy would sweep through the Middle East.
Al Gore was 100% right.
George Bush was 100% wrong.
Rightwingers don’t have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pmTampachessdon – you are an obnoxious ass.
Please – do us all a favor, be a good little conservative drone and go get a job.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmKeltoi – our “stated intent†doesn’t mean SH*T. It’s all a lie. Duh.
Don’t you get that?
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 5, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
I’ll paraphrase my good friend Bilbo, Annie:
Ok Far Left Loon Keltoi [Annie]. Because you say it, it must be true.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmComment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
They are most certainly not looking out for their own interests then, if there are Republicans in Brooklyn. LMAO.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmTroll #147, your opinion’s do not make thing’s truth for all…..I was doing well during the Carter term and even better during the Clinton year’s…..To bad your leader blew away all the surplus Clinton left and is now the credit card borrower of all time’s…..Some say heir bull shit has surpased all debt’s of all combined past president’s…..Wonder where all those palett’s of money are.? Heir bush and cheney have done a good job for the 20 something %, not so good for the million Iraq men. women and children or all our military..Let’s see I think he owes 11 trillion by some count or 9 trillion by another, china must realy love us…..As the world watche’s your leader has his hand’s up the dress of the people that financed his treachery.And caused 9/11…..Poor sad troll,,,,you and all of us will have to pay back the debt’s of this mindless parasite you call your president…He has never paid back anything, one of the many reasons why his butt buddy OBL hate’s him, I am sure….Your time is up with me, troll, back under the bridge with your fellow troll’s….Ask your boss for some new point’s so we won’t think you are just another carbon copy of madness…
October 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmAre you telling me you don’t think there is ANYONE on the Left who see a failure in Iraq as a political hammer to crush the Republicans with?
I honestly don’t know anybody on the left who believes Iraqis ought to suffer in order to damage the GOP. That kind of empathy may be almost unknown on the right, but is widespread on the left.
Anyway, the GOP is self-destructing just fine, on its own.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWow a whole 4 pigs in bklyn. They don’t even bother voting, dipstick.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmSo, Keltoi – what about our “stated intent” to capture OBL “dead or alive”…?
Does that “stated intent” thing still excuse Chimpy from having failed to capture OBL – or excuse him for “not thinking all that much about him”….?
Do tell.
Yeah, and the dog ate my homework. *eyeroll*
October 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“Instead,” he said, “I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.”
In Iowa, some Obama supporters applauded the candidate’s fashion statement. Said Carrie Haurum of Waterloo: “He doesn’t need to wear that flag on his lapel. He wears it in his heart.”
But talk radio and cable news quickly pounced on the issue.
“It just shows you he’s not ready for the big time,” conservative Laura Ingrams opined on Fox News.
Said Sean Hannity: “Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!”
I wish I could see his face when saying that. I suppose he thinks it’s going to protect him from shrapnel? LOLZ.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmGotta make money to feed the war machine!! Yeah!!!
Go get ‘em, big boy. *eyeroll*
October 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmAs to your point about never admitting you have lost, that can cut both ways. Ted Kennedy was calling Iraq a quagmire before the troops even reached Bagdhad. What I am saying is, it is equally delusional to think it is impossible to ever win as it is to never admit you have lost.
Comment by Keltoi
So Right Wing Loon Keltoi, I do believe Darth Chaney said the same thing in, what, 1994.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
October 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmA good, high, paying, professional one that I worked hard to get so that I could pay out half of my income in taxes to support Big Government
I knew you lived in Sweden.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmEvo Morales cut his own salary by 57%. Bush may have given everyone a tax break many a year ago, but guess who had to pay for it? The middle class. I can go further as to suggest Bush is spending and spending and spending, continually driving down the value of the dollar, so that when a democrat gets into office to spend for his or her own citizens, the republicans will have something to criticize. The same old story, and for some reason, no one sees the logic. It’s O-K for the republicans to spend for wars to pay off their corporates, but it’s not O-K for democrats to spend the people’s money, on the people.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI knew you lived in Sweden.
Comment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
LMFAO! Well said. I love the Swedes.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAt least he has a reason to be a republican.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pmSo Right Wing Loon Keltoi, I do believe Darth Chaney said the same thing in, what, 1994.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Awwww, now, bilbo – that’s DIFFERENT!!!!!!
October 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWell he doesn’t live here and pay over 50% of taxes.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThat’s for sure, probably, hardly 20%.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmOk Far Left Loon Keltoi [Annie]. Because you say it, it must be true.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Comment by Keltoi
And bilbobaggins said further down that he meant “Far Right Loon” but was going back to Right Wing Loon because I like it better. The sentiment still stands. You seem to think that just because you say something, that makes it true. You suffer under the same delusions as the Moron in Chief.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmHitler invaded and occupied country after country after country until the world stepped in to stop him.
Bush is greeted as a liberator.
Their is no comparison.
Comment by Clumberfeet
Wow, the Right Wing Loons have come out of the woodwork today. The Right must be getting really worried about all the bad news coming out of their camp.
So Right Wing Loon Clumberfeet, you really think that the Iraqi’s look at us as their liberators? If that’s the case, then why to 80% of them want us the hell out of their country? Why do a majority of them say they would rather have Saddam back than the United States occupying their country?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThere are some Americans who are hoping we lose in Iraq, and that when we are forced out by domestic politics the place explodes 100 times worse so that they can feel good about calling Bush Hitler and all that. I think there are at least SOME liberals who want to force immediate withdrawal just so things REALLY go to Hell there and it can be used as a political weapon in 2008.
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
There are “some Americans” who are hoping the entire middle east explodes into war so that Scripture can be fulfilled and they can all be Raptured into Heaven. What’s your point?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThe thousands of U.S. military casualties and the millions of Iraqi civilian casualties (yes, Keltoi, millions…your figure of 70,000 is the very definition of delusion)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 5, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Hey Trip, was wondering when you’d show up.
Actually, that delusional figure isn’t mine, it is the UNs. Y’know, those heroic arbiters of right and wrong?
Lets look at this million dead figure. From March 2003 to today is about 41/2 years, around 54 months. 54 times 30 days a month is about 1620 days (seems longer, doesn’t it?) 1 million divided by 1620 is 617. If we are going with millions, it goes to around 1,234.
So what you are saying, Trip, is that every day, every single day including today, the first day of the invasion, the days of the elections, the days after the Iraqi National team won the Asia cup in Soccer, somewhere between 617 and 1234 Iraqi civilians have died. Is that really what you think is happening? And if it were, you think only your Tom Hayden/Julian Bond website would know about it?
Who is delusional?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAre you rightwingers REALLY trying to make the case that Hitler and other fascist dictators are liberals?
REALLY?!?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmSo Right Wing Loon Keltoi, I do believe Darth Chaney said the same thing in, what, 1994.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Awwww, now, bilbo – that’s DIFFERENT!!!!!!
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 5, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
It is different – in 1994, we didn’t have troops marching on Bagdhad.
I’m taking off for awhile guys. Ciao.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmOh for the love of God, Keltoi – GET A GRIP!!! We had troops ready to go all the way to Baghdad – and GHWB said no.
Got revisionist history????
October 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“Lefty Patriot†and “Picklee†represent you Socialist/Libs well. Their commentary show you for what you really are. They must make you proud.
Comment by Tampachessdon
Yes Right Wing Loon Tampachessdon, they do us proud. And you can add me to your blanket judgment. I am a Socialist at heart and damn proud of it. I care more about the fate of my fellow man than I do about how fat my wallet is.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmComment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Haha, I’m quite sure from reading history books that they are as conservative as they come. They “socialized” everything for themselves, not the people. A parallel to neoconservatism? I should have been more clear on my previous statement:
Liberalism + Socialism + Democracy = Happiness.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLMAO…..It seem’s the troll’s are heading back to the bridge, good job all…Blessings
October 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pmOh for the love of God, Keltoi – GET A GRIP!!! We had troops ready to go all the way to Baghdad – and GHWB said no.
Got revisionist history????
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 5, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
IN 1994? Got Memory?
October 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI care more about the fate of my fellow man than I do about how fat my wallet is.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 5, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Quite, well-said.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pmIt is different – in 1994, we didn’t have troops marching on Bagdhad.
I’m taking off for awhile guys. Ciao.
Comment by Keltoi
Well Right Wing Loon Keltoi, if you had bothered to view the video you would have seen that Darth Chaney was talking about the Gulf War and why Daddy Bush didn’t push on to Baghdad. You certainly are dense.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pmSo what you are saying, Trip, is that every day, every single day including today, the first day of the invasion, the days of the elections, the days after the Iraqi National team won the Asia cup in Soccer, somewhere between 617 and 1234 Iraqi civilians have died. Is that really what you think is happening? And if it were, you think only your Tom Hayden/Julian Bond website would know about it?
Who is delusional?
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Well… how would the people know, if both the Iraqi government and the US Government have decided NOT to count the Iraqi deaths anymore?
How many Iraqis have died of preventable diseases, which wouldn’t have died if the US hadn’t invaded Iraq? Not all of the Iraqis deaths have been due to violence; but many of those non-violent deaths can be attributed to the invasion.
To be fair, the economic sanctions during Bill Clinton’s administration also resulted in a lot of civilian deaths due to lack of medicines and potable water, so he’s not off the hook either.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm2 facts for you rightwingers to digest:
1. People like social programs such as Medicare and Social Security. They also like social services such as police, firefighters, traffic and highway systems and Social Security.
2. The leftwing has long since accepted that Communism doesn’t work. Trying to convince people it’s our secret agenda is just dishonest. YOU are the ones with secret agendas, right, “compassionate conservatives”?
October 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pmKeltoi sez:
You are.
Educate yourself.
Educate yourself some more.
I’ll assume, based upon the fact that you responded to nothing else in my earlier post, that you have no defense for those points.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm2. The leftwing has long since accepted that Communism doesn’t work. Trying to convince people it’s our secret agenda is just dishonest. YOU are the ones with secret agendas, right, “compassionate conservatives�
Comment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
My secret agenda is to sleep with Jennifer Connelly, but so far that hasn’t worked out as planned.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
They probably grow tired of not making convincing arguments. They’re probably offline watching Cavuto where they ALWAYS WIN!
October 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMy secret agenda is to sleep with Jennifer Connelly, but so far that hasn’t worked out as planned.
Let’s make it a conspiracy!
October 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmLet’s make it a conspiracy!
Comment by lefty — October 5, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
LMAO. This is true.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pmTampachessdon ? Posts alot like some other prick we all know….mmmmm.
Off topic, vague assertions, smears……mmmm, who could that be?
Buck Fush
October 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pmSaid Sean Hannity: “Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!â€
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From whom? Iraq? Iraq hasn’t attacked our country. Iran? Iran hasn’t attacked our country. Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda attacked our country six years ago. So who is currently attacking us, Sean?
Perhaps what Sean means to say is that “we are under the THREAT of an attack.” This is true — just as I am under the threat of being mugged every time I venture outside. There’s always the possibility of that happening, however slight.
But I think that what Sean REALLY means is “I find wearing a flag endears me to the jingoists upon whom I depend for my ratings.”
October 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pmmissmolly sez:
The Nazis had their armbands…the neocons have their flag lapel pins.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThese clowns have “ruled” by talking point all this time so what’s new?
October 5th, 2007 at 3:34 pmOff topic, vague assertions, smears……mmmm, who could that be?
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy
Strangely enough Ms. Rory has not reared her ugly head today. Odd wouldn’t you say.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pmprogressive liar is a supporter of rightwing closeted pediphiles and public restroom trollers. and his mommy still changes his diapers.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pm.
Bush: It doesn’t reflect the true nature of the world in which we live, you know?
The world you’ve helped shape. A world filled with terror. A war OF terrorism.
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October 5th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI’m a “her.â€
Comment by Rory — October 3, 2007
First, I not a woman.
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Please point out where I ever claimed to be MALE?!
Comment by Rory — October 4, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
I don’t LIE.
Comment by Rory — October 3, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Just collecting some Rory Quotes.
Buck Fush
October 5th, 2007 at 4:13 pm473 DAYS TO GO unless Bush is ushered out by Republicans who want to stay in office….like Nixon perhaps.
Well we also need someone to turn a microwave on while tricky Dick is walking by.
October 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pm“It doesn’t reflect the true nature of the world in which we live, you know?”
No dumbass, it doesn’t reflect the true nature of the world you live in.
October 5th, 2007 at 7:47 pm#207, “the country is under attack” all right, from Bush, Cheney, and the Republican enablers who vote to keep this “war” going and the money flowing.
How did the cartoon quote go, “we have met the enemy, and he is us (Hannity)”?
October 5th, 2007 at 8:04 pmOr something like that….
I’ll assume, based upon the fact that you responded to nothing else in my earlier post, that you have no defense for those points.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 5, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
No, I left work. This thread is tapped, however. Someday you’ll explain how it is the UN can be so wrong about Iraqi casualty figures….
October 5th, 2007 at 8:16 pm[...] and rode to power on the backs of the “workers.†There is no such thing as a conservative fascist.
Comment by Tampachessdon — October 7, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
I cannot stop laughing from the irony of this statement. Is that your true belief? Conservatives don’t rape the working middle class? HA.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:35 pm