Comments on: Bush predicts successor will keep Gitmo open. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:09:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: foreyes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4109087 foreyes Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:17:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4109087 When Pres. George Bush says that Guantanamo is going to remain open, he insults the Cuban people, as well as the Muslims detained there without cause and reason for trial. Either bring them to trial or release them. It's reasonable enough, ins't it?. Don't torture them with indefinite imprisonment. Can you inmagine what it would be like to be in prison for an indefinete time without being charged with a crime or not knowing what your crime is supposed to be? Is this the 18th Century? When Pres. George Bush says that Guantanamo is going to remain open, he insults the Cuban people, as well as the Muslims detained there without cause and reason for trial. Either bring them to trial or release them. It’s reasonable enough, ins’t it?. Don’t torture them with indefinite imprisonment. Can you inmagine what it would be like to be in prison for an indefinete time without being charged with a crime or not knowing what your crime is supposed to be? Is this the 18th Century?

]]> By: foreyes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4109083 foreyes Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:49:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4109083 Ok, who knows the history of Guantanamo? It's in Cuba so it is not US territory, or is it? How did it the US end up owning an American naval base outside of the US? Easily, after the Spanish-American War, in order to promise the withdrawal of US soldiers which Cubans who had been fighting for indepence from Spain for 100 years resented, Cuba had to agree, and it was written in its Constitution (Platt Ammendment), that the US had a right to the Guantanamo Bay facilities along with the right to intervene in the affairs of the Cuban people anytime it deemed necessary. That's the beginning. Who do you think is going to provide the end? Ok, who knows the history of Guantanamo? It’s in Cuba so it is not US territory, or is it? How did it the US end up owning an American naval base outside of the US? Easily, after the Spanish-American War, in order to promise the withdrawal of US soldiers which Cubans who had been fighting for indepence from Spain for 100 years resented, Cuba had to agree, and it was written in its Constitution (Platt Ammendment), that the US had a right to the Guantanamo Bay facilities along with the right to intervene in the affairs of the Cuban people anytime it deemed necessary. That’s the beginning. Who do you think is going to provide the end?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4108956 Marie Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:58:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4108956 Maybe Bush is right - he and his current and former administration liars and war mongers will be the only inmates. Maybe Bush is right – he and his current and former administration liars and war mongers will be the only inmates.

]]> By: Chuck U. Farley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107872 Chuck U. Farley Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:20:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107872 The Guantanamo Bay detention center “must remain active until at least 2009 to allow the next president to decide whether it should be continued..." WTF?? Do you mean "The Decider" will "allow the next president to decide..." What's up with that? The Guantanamo Bay detention center “must remain active until at least 2009 to allow the next president to decide whether it should be continued…”
WTF?? Do you mean “The Decider” will “allow the next president to decide…” What’s up with that?

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107748 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:27:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107748 Bilbo: "Once the public finds out how she stands on the issues, chances are her lead will evaporate. Besides, she doesn’t have much of a lead in the states that are going to be voting first, so things are going to change very quickly." Issues? You mean how so many people around here are sure she'll keep GITMO open in spite of the fact that she publically stated that it's wrong and she'll close it down? And, I'm not sure where you get the idea that she doesn't have much of a lead in states going first. She currently has a commanding lead in California and New Hampshire in most polls. In the primary, I will probably vote for John Edwards, but if she is the nominee, I will proudly vote for her without holding my nose. I am not a victim of the 15-year campaign by the right to destroy her reputation and distort her positions. Bilbo: “Once the public finds out how she stands on the issues, chances are her lead will evaporate. Besides, she doesn’t have much of a lead in the states that are going to be voting first, so things are going to change very quickly.”

Issues? You mean how so many people around here are sure she’ll keep GITMO open in spite of the fact that she publically stated that it’s wrong and she’ll close it down? And, I’m not sure where you get the idea that she doesn’t have much of a lead in states going first. She currently has a commanding lead in California and New Hampshire in most polls.

In the primary, I will probably vote for John Edwards, but if she is the nominee, I will proudly vote for her without holding my nose. I am not a victim of the 15-year campaign by the right to destroy her reputation and distort her positions.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107726 bilbobaggins Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:22:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107726 <em>More Dana P: “we don’t cut off people’s heads and show them on tv.” Comment by Candyce </em> God that woman is a dim bulb. What is that supposed to mean. Torture is OK as long as you don't cut someone's head off and show it on TV? She is an embarrassment. I shudder to think what the world must think of us if they listen to her. She's as bad, if not worse, than Bush. More Dana P: “we don’t cut off people’s heads and show them on tv.”
Comment by Candyce

God that woman is a dim bulb. What is that supposed to mean. Torture is OK as long as you don’t cut someone’s head off and show it on TV? She is an embarrassment. I shudder to think what the world must think of us if they listen to her. She’s as bad, if not worse, than Bush.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107714 bilbobaggins Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:20:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107714 <em>All the Democrats, that is, except New York Senator Hillary Clinton http://www.thenation.com/ blogs/ campaignmatters?pid=239574 Comment by John</em> I firmly believe that Hillary's lead is going to evaporate as soon as they get into truly campaigning. Right now she is leading on name recognition. Once the public finds out how she stands on the issues, chances are her lead will evaporate. Besides, she doesn't have much of a lead in the states that are going to be voting first, so things are going to change very quickly. I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee, but I will have to hold my nose to do it. But, any Democrat has got to be better for this nation than another Republican. All the Democrats, that is, except New York Senator Hillary Clinton
http://www.thenation.com/ blogs/ campaignmatters?pid=239574
Comment by John

I firmly believe that Hillary’s lead is going to evaporate as soon as they get into truly campaigning. Right now she is leading on name recognition. Once the public finds out how she stands on the issues, chances are her lead will evaporate. Besides, she doesn’t have much of a lead in the states that are going to be voting first, so things are going to change very quickly.

I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee, but I will have to hold my nose to do it. But, any Democrat has got to be better for this nation than another Republican.

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107694 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:15:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107694 Gosh, I guess if we can't bash Hillary Clinton on this, there's very little interest in continuing the discussion. Right lefties? Gosh, I guess if we can’t bash Hillary Clinton on this, there’s very little interest in continuing the discussion. Right lefties?

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107660 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:59:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107660 Krazny believes Bush but evidently doesn't believe Hillary. Am I the only one around here that finds that very, very strange? Krazny believes Bush but evidently doesn’t believe Hillary. Am I the only one around here that finds that very, very strange?

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107655 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:56:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107655 Sadly Bush is right, Hillary will most likely keep Gitmo open. Comment by Krazny — October 5, 2007 @ 11:39 am Yep. Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 11:44 am Hey Krazny: you and the right-wing Bush cultists have something in common. How do you feel about that? Sadly Bush is right, Hillary will most likely keep Gitmo open.
Comment by Krazny — October 5, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Yep.
Comment by Keltoi — October 5, 2007 @ 11:44 am

Hey Krazny: you and the right-wing Bush cultists have something in common. How do you feel about that?

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107652 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:55:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107652 Hillary Clinton's expanded statment in the Senate on April 26, 2007: “Guantanamo has become associated in the eyes of the world with a discredited administration policy of abuse, secrecy, and contempt for the rule of law. Rather than keeping us more secure, keeping Guantanamo open is harming our national interests. It compromises our long term military and strategic interests, and it impairs our standing overseas. I have certainly concluded that we should address any security issues on what to do with the remaining detainees, and then close it once and for all.” WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT YOU CLINTON-HATERS DON'T UNDERSTAND? Hillary Clinton’s expanded statment in the Senate on April 26, 2007:

“Guantanamo has become associated in the eyes of the world with a discredited administration policy of abuse, secrecy, and contempt for the rule of law. Rather than keeping us more secure, keeping Guantanamo open is harming our national interests. It compromises our long term military and strategic interests, and it impairs our standing overseas. I have certainly concluded that we should address any security issues on what to do with the remaining detainees, and then close it once and for all.”

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT YOU CLINTON-HATERS DON’T UNDERSTAND?

]]> By: Candyce http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107645 Candyce Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:52:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107645 More Dana P: "we don't cut off people's heads and show them on tv." More Dana P: “we don’t cut off people’s heads and show them on tv.”

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107644 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:51:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107644 In a Senate Arms Services Committee hearing, Hillary Clinton said this: "Guantanamo has become associated in the eyes of the world with a discredited administration policy of abuse, secrecy and contempt for the rule of law." It's a public statement, on the record, so I'm not sure why some of you are so sure she would keep it open. In fact, I believe the official word from her campaign staff has been that she will close it down. Krazny, can you offer any documentation on your strange claim that she will most likely keep it open? In a Senate Arms Services Committee hearing, Hillary Clinton said this:

“Guantanamo has become associated in the eyes of the world with a discredited administration policy of abuse, secrecy and contempt for the rule of law.”

It’s a public statement, on the record, so I’m not sure why some of you are so sure she would keep it open. In fact, I believe the official word from her campaign staff has been that she will close it down.

Krazny, can you offer any documentation on your strange claim that she will most likely keep it open?

]]> By: Candyce http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107643 Candyce Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:50:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107643 Dana P is getting shrill on cspan 2 over the torture memos. "Reasonable people can disagree on complex questions." She claims the intelligence committee was fully briefed. Dana P is getting shrill on cspan 2 over the torture memos. “Reasonable people can disagree on complex questions.”

She claims the intelligence committee was fully briefed.

]]> By: Saint Augustine http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107631 Saint Augustine Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:41:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107631 Changes in Cuban/US relations under a Democratic Administration will bring us: Cable TV car restoration shows featuring Cuban mechanics. Cuban cigars will be sold above the counter. Cuban dancers will dominate Dancing With the Stars. Changes in Cuban/US relations under a Democratic Administration will bring us:

Cable TV car restoration shows featuring Cuban mechanics.

Cuban cigars will be sold above the counter.

Cuban dancers will dominate Dancing With the Stars.

]]> By: alphainfinityomega http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107625 alphainfinityomega Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:35:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107625 Keeping Gitmo. open is one thing. Continuing the torture, is another. <strong>∞</strong> Keeping Gitmo. open is one thing.
Continuing the torture, is another.

∞

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107613 Zimzone Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:25:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107613 #19 Perhaps the sense of 90 miles. -Comment by ANeccessaryEvil OK. Can you expound on that? I just don't see Cuba as the threat it once was. In the 50's, it was the present day Dubai, where Americans went to gamble, eat and enjoy Cuban hospitality. I realize Castro upset the applecart, but do you really think they're a major threat? #19 Perhaps the sense of 90 miles. -Comment by ANeccessaryEvil

OK. Can you expound on that?

I just don’t see Cuba as the threat it once was. In the 50’s, it was the present day Dubai, where Americans went to gamble, eat and enjoy Cuban hospitality. I realize Castro upset the applecart, but do you really think they’re a major threat?

]]> By: Rowdy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107609 Rowdy Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:23:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107609 You know what scares me is that GWB may be right about this one thing… Whoever is the next president may just discover that they are no longer the leader of the free world, because there is no free world anymore. Bush and Cheney sold it to the highest bidder… anybody want to guess who? The next president will probably have no choice but to keep these evil practices going in order to maintain some semblance of a US Government. We’ve lost. Game over. The game was about intimidating US citizens into fearing each other; and look at us. It’s 1984. We’re okay with taking off our shoes at the airport, for fear of being carted off to jail. We’re okay to have our phones and email tapped for fear of being “disappeared.” We allow our liberties and rights to be slowly taken away and we do nothing about it. We’re too busy watching “American Idle” and Britney to care what is going on right in front of our faces. We don’t care about the lack of education our children are getting or the lack of healthcare available or how we’re going to survive when the air and water are so badly polluted by the greed of corporations. When will we wake up?! What will it take?! You know what scares me is that GWB may be right about this one thing…

Whoever is the next president may just discover that they are no longer the leader of the free world, because there is no free world anymore. Bush and Cheney sold it to the highest bidder… anybody want to guess who?

The next president will probably have no choice but to keep these evil practices going in order to maintain some semblance of a US Government. We’ve lost. Game over. The game was about intimidating US citizens into fearing each other; and look at us. It’s 1984. We’re okay with taking off our shoes at the airport, for fear of being carted off to jail. We’re okay to have our phones and email tapped for fear of being “disappeared.” We allow our liberties and rights to be slowly taken away and we do nothing about it. We’re too busy watching “American Idle” and Britney to care what is going on right in front of our faces. We don’t care about the lack of education our children are getting or the lack of healthcare available or how we’re going to survive when the air and water are so badly polluted by the greed of corporations.

When will we wake up?! What will it take?!

]]> By: ANeccessaryEvil http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107605 ANeccessaryEvil Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:21:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107605 #19 Perhaps the sense of 90 miles. #19 Perhaps the sense of 90 miles.

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/comment-page-1/#comment-4107594 Zimzone Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:16:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/05/bush-predicts-successor-will-keep-gitmo-open/#comment-4107594 #9, Remove the fences and establish a station for verifying the identities of Cubans wishing to travel to and from the US to visit relatives. Havana will be crowded with cruise ships and tourists. -Comment by Saint Augustine <em>Wasn't Ricky Ricardo, (Desi Arnez), the last legal Cuban immigrant? Like, 60 years ago? Why can we lie prone for China, a Communist country, but still bar Cubans?</em> #9, Remove the fences and establish a station for verifying the identities of Cubans wishing to travel to and from the US to visit relatives. Havana will be crowded with cruise ships and tourists.
-Comment by Saint Augustine

Wasn’t Ricky Ricardo, (Desi Arnez), the last legal Cuban immigrant? Like, 60 years ago?

Why can we lie prone for China, a Communist country, but still bar Cubans?

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