Novak: Senate Conservatives Knew About Craig’s ‘Weird Conduct,’ ‘Didn’t Do Anything About It’
Novak: Senate Conservatives Knew About Craig’s ‘Weird Conduct,’ ‘Didn’t Do Anything About It’
On Bloomberg Television today, right-wing pundit Robert Novak revealed that “sources in the Senate” have told him that Senate conservatives had prior knowledge about Sen. Larry Craig’s (R-ID) “problem” but intentionally kept it “in the closet”:
I have talked to several of my sources in the Senate, and this came as a surprise to me…They knew about it. They knew that he had this problem, and it was in the closet. And it was not just a homosexual relationship. It was this weird conduct. They didn’t do anything about it.
Watch it:
Novak added, “So Republicans, again, as in the case of Congressman Foley, their cover-up is coming back to haunt them.” Novak did not elaborate on what “weird conduct” Craig has carried out in the past.
Recall, then-Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) “and at least three of his aides were told of allegations that then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) had improper e-mail contacts with a former House page months before the incident became public.”
Ultimately, at least a dozen GOP lawmakers and aides admitted to having knowledge of Foley’s lewd behavior, “some of them for a year or more,” but kept the matter secret.
If Novak’s sources are correct, then the Senate ethics investigation into Craig — which conservatives have been aggressively pushing for — should determine what Craig has done in the past and which Senators were involved in covering it up.
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Who gives a crap? Larry Craig is a great representative of the Republican party. Long may he hold his seat. Keep him front & center. This is the party of ethics & Christianity right? Ha ha ha.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhat did Jake the Fake used to say? Run… Cindy… run!
Stay… Larry… stay!
October 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmShocking. They admit nothing until one of “their own” is caught, then do everything possible to distance themselves from him. They are more than willing to preemptively kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to prevent a handful of their leaders from possibly, maybe possessing WMDs that domestic and foreign intelligence cannot find. But to preemptively rid their party of hypocrites who are also, incidentally, breaking the law while IN HIGHER OFFICE? Puh-leeeze!
As I said, shocking.
Shockingly by-the-Republican-playbook.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmSenate code of omerta: nobody rats out another senator. Ever.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:18 pmthere’s a ton more stuff lying buried out there, you can be sure… lordy, how i wish the dam would just break and let it ALL out, repub and dem… what a catharsis it would be to have it on the table for all to see, once and for all…
October 6th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
#4 Well unless he is on the other side of the aisle or bathroom partition as it were….then hey everyone needs to know that shit.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI swear that if a Republican caught, killed & ate small children, other Reps would hide that fact and if it became public the trolls would defend it. Just so long as a Rep didn’t abort a child… even they have some limits.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI swear, they’re like a bunch of fishwives, gossiping in the cloak room about weird behavior. They knew about Foley and whispered about it, knew about Craig. Of course they all knew about DeLay and Abramoff, too, but were too cowardly to speak up. They knew about Cunningham, but ohhhh, he has a nice boat. They all know the president is a liar, but hey, what about Clinton? There’s not a personal of moral courage among them. Not one.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmBingo, Dave C. I’ve often said if Bush ate a live baby in the Oval office on tv during primetime, they’d be out there defending him.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThey all know the president is a liar, but hey, what about Clinton? There’s not a personal of moral courage among them. Not one.
Comment by Candyce — October 6, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Good point…
October 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWonder what spin Mary (that’s Mitch to you, Larry) McConnell will have to put on this…
October 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI’m sure the Republicans all wish that Larry Craig would just go away, and they could put this all behind them.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmApart from the issue of hypocritical gay bashing, the Republicans have a real problem with Parents.
The alleged incident took place in a PUBLIC Bathroom. Moms at the airport send their unaccompanied young sons there to pee.
They don’t welcome having to explain to their sons what “that man was doing??”
Well, Badger, that’s actually a troubling thing for me. Not the public bathroom issue, but that after everything we’ve seen coming of Republican corruption over the past 7 years, it took a gay issue for them to move toward using their legislative and ethical powers to go after one of their own, and that as the minority party. During their leadership, not a single investigation into party corruption or administration corruption. The indicted DeLay left amidst accolades on the House floor.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThe Republicans are just creepy.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI am sorry, but you are all full of it! This man’s sex life was nobody’s business except his and the police. He wasn’t molesting children (and neither was Foley, despite the spin that has been put on this. His behavior was inappropriate and scandalous, but not pedophelia.) Craig’s actions may be misdemeanors, but hardly a high crime of any type.
I am actually grateful that the venial sins of Craig and Foley because their stories may change people’s votes. I don’t want these people in power. They are hypocrites, but even worse, they are Republicans, and they vote wrong on every issue. But don’t tell me the other Republicans should have been turning him in, or hounding him out of office! Nonsense. I expect his peers to mind their own business. An argument may be made that Foley was making advances to minors–something that does cause concern. But Craig behaved strangely? So what!?
October 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSee no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pmTo paraphrase an old adage: The whole Republican Party is queer except me and thee. Sometimes I have my doubts about thee and I am an independent.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:48 pmOT - and, well, I think it’s good news…
Federal Prosecutor Caught In Child Sex Sting Commits Suicide
By: Logan Murphy @ 2:13 PM - PDT
Via ABC:
A federal prosecutor accused of flying to Detroit last month to have sex with a 5-year-old girl committed suicide Friday in his cell in a Milan federal prison.
Assistant U.S. Attorney John D.R. Atchison was found unresponsive, taken to a local hospital and pronounced dead at 10:17 a.m., Federal Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Felicia Ponce said.
Atchison, of Gulf Breeze, Fla., was being held in a special housing unit in the prison, about 36 miles southwest of Detroit. Read more…
October 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/
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He wasn’t molesting children (and neither was Foley, despite the spin that has been put on this. His behavior was inappropriate and scandalous, but not pedophelia.
Inappropriate to have sexual conversations with other people’s children in your charge? Yeah, I’d say so.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWanna bet that good ole Mitch McConnell is in on this? He’s had a hard week — supporting Bush’s veto of S-CHIP, defending Limbaugh’s slurs against Iraq veterans who challenge Bush’s failed War, and now the never ending Craig fiasco. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.
See http://www.ditchmitchky.com for all stories about defeating McConnell in 2008.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmLarry is betting the republicans won’t hold hearings, because they have more to lose than he does. I’m betting Larry is right. The scumbags will shut up and shut down this investigation, and just pretend that nobody knows. They will also count on the cooperation of the media and the American public to forget about this in a week. Everybody knows the republicans are just closet fags, and nobody is going to do anything about it. Besides if other republicans senators “knew about his weird behavior” what has been going on in the mens room in the Senate? Whose been tapping their toes?????
October 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmCandyce going back a bit we have the sexual harassment case of Republican Senator Bob Packwood.
Outrage toward Packwood in his home state of Oregon and across the nation grew by day. The scandal and legal entanglements surrounding it would lead the senator to tearfully end his political career in 1995.
Members of the Senate used to come to the floor drunk. C-Span probably put an end to that. The Republicans thought that after 911, and a short successfull war in Iraq, it would be smooth sailing with no accountability. Their arrogance has come back to bite them.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWait just a cotton-pickin’ minute here! Larry Craig was investigated on charges stemming back twenty years (1980’s) which had to do with allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct and yet the Repukes kept him in the Senate and did not police their own. What was that all about? It’s time for the people to get the “full background” on this pervert now. It will continue to haunt and kill any republican’s chance of winning anything in 08 if Larry Craig is still front and center, epitomizing the disgusting conduct and personal hypocrisy of the Republican party.
Now Novak is saying that the Senate knew even recently that this guy was toxic and did zilch about his conduct? Let’s get some names of those who knew about Craig’s problematic behavior and then investigations can begin.
Since Novak is the one “outing” those who supposedly knew about Craig, why doesn’t Congress subpoena Novak to get the names as well from him?
Is it just me or does Robert Novak seem to be at the bottom of the heap of some rotting pile of apples? He was embedded in the Plame treason affair and now this….hmmm…I’d say that to put Novak under oath would be the beginning to garnering some rather juicy inside information.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:56 pmLarry Craig knows that his complicit buddies in his party will keep up the appearances but wish he would go away. It will be quite interesting to see whose up for re-election and suddenly has a spiritual epiphany about truth, won’t it?
October 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBeing Rebulican is considered “weird behavior.” Larry Craig’s sweet tooth for an occasional hairy ass is the last thing GOP members running for re-election have to worry about come 2008. George Bush and the neocons have made being a “conservative” painful for years to come. Republicans are the reason the Congress has such a bad approval rating.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmBut Craig behaved strangely? So what!?
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
these aren’t private citizens, they are our elected representatives. like it or not, they aren’t entitled to “weird behavior” involving children or public sex, unless we know about it. If we know about it and vote them in or re-elect them, that’s fine, but when they hide their perversions, lie about them, and, in fact, attack others that want the same freedomw, then they need to be exposed and houded out of office. It’s really very simple, either we have morality and honesty in government, or we don’t. We can’t afford to ignore the likes of Craig or Foley. If they want to run with the public’s full knowledge of their behavior, and if they win, so be it.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThe GOP will be like child’s play to “swiftboat” during election time. All the DNC has to do is to get television time and run a “anti pervert campaign” with Mark Foley’s seductive IM’s, Widestance Bathroom Queen Craig’s mug shot and guilty plea, and John Boehner’s dead eyes condoning it all…..add in Hastert’s colossol fatass and you’ve got a shot which will resonate with every american voter.
GOP - GRAND OLD PERVERTS! If they think that the Betray-us ad was effective, I imagine this one would be one for the record books.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHint, TP: Post a tribute to the life of Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis (R-VA).
Comment by CT_V1 — October 6, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
why?
October 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmSee your Grand Old Perverts today in action in Congress! Mark Foley!
Larry Craig! Dennis Hastert! And, of course, the Boner himself, John Boehner!
I think the best moniker for Larry Craig to date has to be “BATHROOM QUEEN CRAIG”.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWhat I find amusing is Craig’s plantiff squealing about not being “gay”. Hell, if this guy doesn’t look gay, then I don’t know who does. I guess his wife was fooled. He’s fooling few others though with that affect.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmAs well, the protestations about not being gay instead of focusing on the main issue here which is “lewd behavior in a public men’s room” is also quite telling. This guy actually believes that seducing someone in the next stall for sex is okay if you’re straight. Now that’s phucked up in a much different way.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmJo Ann Davis passed away from breast cancer this morning, which is sad for her, her family and friends, but, having been an upholder of “conservative values”, why should TP do a tribute to her? Larry Craig is still doing his damage, and is still a danger to the GOP; he’s newsworthy.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBut Craig behaved strangely? So what!?
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Really? So your representative accosts men in public bathrooms, one place I don’t forward to or appreciate being ‘hit on.’ You’re telling me it’s okay that a prominent member of our governing body peers through the stall door crack, spying on men on the toilet and helps turn a restroom into a pickup joint? Nothing wrong? (hint: responsibility comes with the title ‘representative.’)
How ’bout if the history books recounted Thomas “wide-stance” Jefferson tapping Ben Franklin’s foot? Hey…nuthin’ weird or ‘technically illegal’ there, forefathers and all…
October 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pmShe continued to represent Virginia while battling breast cancer. She is an inspiration to all Virginians. She cared greatly about military vets, too.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 6, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
and yet the right jumped all of John and Elizabeth Edwards for continuing to campaign for the presidency. you should be ignored. All of you. Rep. Davis continued to defend Bush and the DC traitors he leads, so no tribute is expected or deserved on this site. Take it to LGF.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pmIt’s beginning to look like there are a hoarde of closet queens in the GOP. Of course, their hypocrisy is so engrained at this point that they can’t admit it. Who cares if they’re gay or straight anyway? What people do care is that a representative of ours is a TOTAL HYPOCRITE. That’s what matters most to the people.
BTW, anyone hear anything more about the double murder in Florida - Gonzales and another young man who had intimate ties to the GOP and who were running a male prostitute service in Virginia, just outside DC?? There’s going to be another juicy tale in this one when it comes out. Were they silenced because they were threatening to blow the gay lid on the hypocritical GOP? It’s coming out in dribs and drabs now.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThe two young men found dead were Ralph Gonzales and Jason Drake who had strong ties to Tom Feeney of Florida (scumbag Feeney). Evidently, their death is highly suspicious since one of them was second in command of the Florida GOP and the other was running the gay prostitution ring just outside DC. I think we’ll be hearing those two names connected with Tom Feeney in the future. The ugly details are coming forward and soon it should hit the mainstream media.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pminteresting that the CTV trooll has, again, changed it’s handle…
seems another blog would be better suited to it’s needs…
not?
October 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pm.
I think Robert Novak knows something about all of this and this double murder ties into what he knows. He’s teasing us with his allusions to how much the GOP knows about their sickos. This double murder has strong ties to what Novak is talking about.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThis type of complaint is not new. Conservative leaders knew about many congressional members engaging in unseemly behaviour, but failed to confront the issue, because:
1) they feared public knowledge of such acts would undermine Republicans image as being “free” of such behaviours
2) they feared confronting such acts would make Republicans seem mean, unaccepting, etc.
Once again, the eventual discovery, and then failure to address the offending parties, have made Republicans look worse than either of the worries listed above.
Perhaps more thorough vetting of the candidates prior to election, and replacement of those candidates in subsequent elections after discovery of poor behaviours would show Reps to be more responsible.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pmCT V1 :
Larry Craig is again in the news because of Robt. Novak’s comments. Think progress is posting this for comments. If you have a problem with the timing or newsworthyness of this story….blame Novak.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmNumber 19–The operative word is “children.” We are all somebody’s children. The characteristic that makes something pedophilia is that it is with pre-adolescents. In many western nations, sexual interaction with young people the age of the D.C. pages is perfectly legal. Still, 17-year-olds will use bad judgment, and I agree with you that as a parent, I wouldn’t want my son left in the care of someone like Foley.
We don’t need to feign horror and exaggerate the immorality of the Republicans like Foley and Craig, or the people that permitted them to remain in office. The real crimes of the Republican are things like their illegal attack on Iraq, their destruction of the Constitutional protections, and torture and indefinite retention of prisoners without due legal process.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThe ugly details are coming forward and soon it should hit the mainstream media.
Comment by Veritas — October 6, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Doesn’t this have a connection to Pat McHenry?
October 6th, 2007 at 6:20 pmThe ugly details are coming forward and soon it should hit the mainstream media.
Comment by Veritas — October 6, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
And apparently the little pipsqueak Patrick McHenry is a character in that charade. Can’t wait!
October 6th, 2007 at 6:23 pmWe don’t need to feign horror and exaggerate the immorality of the Republicans like Foley and Craig, or the people that permitted them to remain in office. The real crimes of the Republican are things like their illegal attack on Iraq, their destruction of the Constitutional protections, and torture and indefinite retention of prisoners without due legal process.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Agreed. And as I pointed out earlier, it takes a gay scandal to move the GOP to speak out, which is pathetic. Especially when they’ve been the biggest enabler Congress in history perhaps.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNumber 35 — I guess I am lucky. In 60 years, I have yet to observe sex occurring in a public bathroom. Furthermore, no one has ever hit on me in a bathroom that I noticed. Maybe I was missing the hints. I didn’t know about foot tapping and fingers under the dividers. I don’t think I would get too upset if someone tapped their foot in the next stall, but that is just me.
So if failing to be horrified by Craig’s crime is an unpardonable sin to you, I guess you have stricter moral standards than I. (As a matter of fact, I am sure you will tell me you do.) I don’t have fainting spells over this nonsense, and I guess I don’t understand why other people do. The bathroom sex activity of men like Craig is obviously designed to be inconspicuous. So get on your high horses.
The next time it will be a Democrat involved in a scandal and you will be more sympathetic, I am sure (although I doubt you will admit it).
October 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThe bathroom sex activity of men like Craig is obviously designed to be inconspicuous.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
In a PUBLIC RESTROOM of a major American Airport???
October 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThey could at least report her death before doing Craig story #4395495.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 6, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Jes’ fer Li’l CT’s sake, I checked Rush’s (ugh…), Billo’s, ‘n Heil Hannity’s websites. Hmmm… no mention, AT ALL, of Rep. Davis’ death there, at least not on the front page, so to speak. Ny Times ‘n Fox Snooze both had it, right at the bottom, and on Fox, it was considered so important that it was nearly the LAST item listed.
Can we safely assume Li’l CT will now start railing bitterly ag’in El Rushbo, Billo, and Heil too?
3… 2… 1… Launch attacks!!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmIn a PUBLIC RESTROOM of a major American Airport???
Comment by Badger — October 6, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
At least it was IN the restroom…
October 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmEarly reports on this episode contained mention that the reason he married a former staffer was in part to squelch rumors of his homosexuality.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:43 pmCome again, Mr. Cantankerous.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 6, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Geez, Li’l Feller, yer too lazy ta do yer own homework, assessin’ blame ‘n all, ‘n I’m good enough ta help ya out, ‘n now ya git all snarky on me and MAKE ASSUMPTIONS that may or may not be true, but ya don’t speak up a’gin El Rushbo, or Billo, or Heil for their insensitivity.
Yer practicin’ double standards here, Li’l CT!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 6:46 pmMembers of the Senate used to come to the floor drunk. C-Span probably put an end to that. …
Comment by Badger — October 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
You are robably right, but I have my doubts about Boehner.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWe were told last year by the Congressional Ethics Committee members after Foley’s scandal that they will wrap it up in short period of time and let the public know what happened.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI remember a question was asked to H. Berman(D. Cali.) who is member of the Committee about the length of this investigation and he replied :”The investigation will be completed in weeks, not motnhs”.
Republican leaders knew about Foley,but the GOP Speaker then chose not open his mouth so Republicans can keep Foley’s seat in Florida..
Political considerations were the only reason behind hiding Foley’s story from the public.
I am sure some of the posters here are well intentioned. It is hard to watch the hypocrisy of your opponent without some sense of self righteousness. Too easily, though, I think we can lapse into the same behavior as Rush Limbaugh and his disreputable crew. It is called scandalmongering.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:54 pmYou gotta love Novak. He used to be the Right Wing Loon’s best friend. Now he’s mad at them because he doesn’t feel he has the access he once had and now he’s turning on them. Not that I mind or anything, but the guy still is a sleeze.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:54 pmPolitical considerations were the only reason behind hiding Foley’s story from the public.
Comment by tarazan — October 6, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Probably the same w/ Craig. I have to wonder what might be creepin’ up on Hastert and Domenici too, seein’ as they’ve decided to retire.
But enough of all this chaff… I wannna hear ’bout that nasty little Patrick McHenry. Who knows what? Com’on, DISH!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#59, Marie,
Good point about C-Span, it probably keeps all these congressmen on their toes, except for Boehner, who chose to pass out lobbiest’s checks on the House Floor with cameras rolling.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmthere’s a ton more stuff lying buried out there, you can be sure… lordy, how i wish the dam would just break and let it ALL out, repub and dem… what a catharsis it would be to have it on the table for all to see, once and for all…
The damn may not be broken, but there’s a hell of a crack in it. Anyone besides me notice how many whistleblowers there are these days leaking to the MSM things that should have seen the light of day a long time ago?
October 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmWilliam Jefferson (D-LA)!
Sandy Burglar!!
COMMENT: These are REAL crooks!!
October 6th, 2007 at 6:57 pmNot that I mind or anything, but the guy still is a sleeze.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 6, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Yeah… **snicker**… that’s the last thing the righties need… Novakula feelin’ slighted!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
October 6th, 2007 at 6:57 pmCOMMENT: These are REAL crooks!!
Comment by John Kerry — October 6, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Geez, John… faulty memory a’gin. Ya couldn’t remember yer own military record the other night. And now Berger?
He pleaded guilty to a MISDEMEANOR… nothin’ like the multiple FELONY convictions Scooter got…
October 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmMusta been a tap dancing practice in the Senate bathroom stalls.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmEarly reports on this episode contained mention that the reason he married a former staffer was in part to squelch rumors of his homosexuality.
Comment by Marie
This is true. Staffers told the press that he had never shown the slightest interest in the woman staffer he married. And he married her shortly after the scandal where he voluntary said “I’m not involved in that homosexual scandal” even though no one had asked him. Pretty convenient if you ask me.
October 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#51 candide
I guess I am lucky. In 60 years, I have yet to observe sex occurring in a public bathroom. Furthermore, no one has ever hit on me in a bathroom that I noticed. Maybe I was missing the hints. I didn’t know about foot tapping and fingers under the dividers. I don’t think I would get too upset if someone tapped their foot in the next stall, but that is just me.
How about if the tapping foot moves over to your side of the wall (not easy to do ‘by accident’) and starts nudging your foot? How about if the guy who’s occupying that other stall had just been standing outside your stall trying to peek in? How does one accidentally wave his hand under the wall of the stall, palm up, and it’s the left hand under the right wall?
If you don’t really know anything about what Craig was accused of and what the cop observed, don’t comment on it.
It’s real simple. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business. What you do in a public restroom, apart from the things a public restroom was intended for, is the public’s business. When you’re a U.S. Senator, it’s the public’s business with exclamation points.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmNumber 52–Yes, in a public bathroom. I do not condone it, but ask any psychologist or psychiatrist and they will tell you that the greatest thrill for both heterosexuals and homosexuals of Craig’s ilk is having sex in a public place without letting anyone know it is happening. Regardles of whether one approves or not, the point is, it will be hidden.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:04 pm#68 bilbobaggins
This is true. Staffers told the press that he had never shown the slightest interest in the woman staffer he married. And he married her shortly after the scandal where he voluntary said “I’m not involved in that homosexual scandal†even though no one had asked him. Pretty convenient if you ask me.
Craig even said, after the earlier accusations, that they were only picking on him because he wasn’t married. So he went and got married.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmYou are robably right, but I have my doubts about Boehner.
Comment by Marie — October 6, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
lol, Marie!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmNumber 69–Do you seriously think Craig would have gone on beyond foot tapping if the cop hadn’t responded? Give me a break!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmAh, yes, more redundant pieces of Sen. Craig. A burning issue, indeed.
Hint, TP: Post a tribute to the life of Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis (R-VA).
Comment by CT_V1
Right Wing Loon CT_V1 seems to think that Senator Craig is a non issue. At least he wishes it would be. If wishes were horses…
And he wants us to have a tribute to a Republican congresswoman who, I bet, no one on this blog has ever heard of, I know I haven’t. What did she do to deserve this tribute Right Wing Loon?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:07 pmWilliam Jefferson (D-LA)!
Sandy Burglar!!
COMMENT: These are REAL crooks!!
Comment by John Kerry — October 6, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Nah, the real crooks are in jail. Ney and Cunningham ring a bell? As in Cunningham, biggest crook in congressional history?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:10 pm#70 candide
Regardles of whether one approves or not, the point is, it will be hidden.
No. When you’re trying to pick up your prospective partner in the restroom, it won’t be hidden. Everyone who turns down your offer will know, as will anyone who accepts and anyone who witnesses it. When there are two pairs of feet appearing under the door of one stall and there’s a lot of grunting and heavy breathing, it’s not a secret. It’s an airport restroom, for crying out loud! What restrooms get more traffic than that?!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:10 pmShe continued to represent Virginia while battling breast cancer. She is an inspiration to all Virginians. She cared greatly about military vets, too.
Comment by CT_V1
So tell me Right Wing Loon CT_V1, if some obscure Democratic Congressperson died, do you think any of your right wing sites like redstate.org would do a tribute to them? I don’t think so. Knowing the people who post to those sites, they would more likely post something like “good riddance to bad rubbish”.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:11 pmDENVER - The gay escort whose allegations forced the resignation of nationally renowned evangelist Ted Haggard now says he was also visited by Idaho Sen. Larry Craig.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWilliam Jefferson (D-LA)!
Sandy Burglar!!
COMMENT: These are REAL crooks!!
Comment by John Kerry
So Right Wing Loon John, what makes these people “real crooks” as opposed to all the Republicans who have been caught, or are currently being investigated, for having their hands in the cookie jar or for perverted behavior.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIt’s an airport restroom, for crying out loud! What restrooms get more traffic than that?!
Comment by chimpeach — October 6, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Especially post-9/11. Imagine the ruckus if one frightened restroom user had notified police that he suspected “terrarists were gittin ready ta attack!”
October 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pmhe was also visited by Idaho Sen. Larry Craig.
Comment by Marie — October 6, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Ouchy ouch ouch!!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:14 pmAh, yes, more redundant pieces of Sen. Craig. A burning issue, indeed.
Hint, TP: Post a tribute to the life of Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis (R-VA).
Comment by CT_V1
The reason for the Republican attention, as in the Foley case [laws created], it was Craig that helped create the “dont ask-don’t tell policy”
Its the hypocrisy [[CT_V1]] stupid. [Said like Carville]
October 6th, 2007 at 7:14 pm#73 candide
Do you seriously think Craig would have gone on beyond foot tapping if the cop hadn’t responded? Give me a break!
Why don’t you go look up the transcript from Craig’s questioning by the cop. You don’t know what happened, and until you do, you’re putting your ignorance on display.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:14 pmNumber 69–Do you seriously think Craig would have gone on beyond foot tapping if the cop hadn’t responded? Give me a break!
Comment by candide
Maybe not with that particular prospect, he probably would have waited until the next person entered the stall and started over again. Craig walked past at least 6 other bathrooms to get to the one he was in, on the opposite side of the airport from where his flight was taking off. Now, why would he do that. And, why are you defending him?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:15 pmNumber 76–I reiterate, in 60 years, I have never noticed anything like this happening in a public restroom. But I wasn’t looking.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI think the best moniker for Larry Craig to date has to be “BATHROOM QUEEN CRAIGâ€.
Comment by Veritas — October 6, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Check the Zoo for a better one: Tappy McWideStance.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThanks to Spudge Boy for that one!
Yeah… **snicker**… that’s the last thing the righties need… Novakula feelin’ slighted!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Do you remember him whining about a month ago about how he feels shut out of the White House these days. I guess that Novak isn’t someone you want on your enemies list. They were pretty stupid to shut him out. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him again gain favor with the Bushies after this.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:19 pmSandy Burglar!!
COMMENT: These are REAL crooks!!
Comment by John Kerry
This thread isn’t about either one, when it is MR P Clone, then it will be responded too. Until that time, nice try.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:19 pmif some obscure Democratic Congressperson died, do you think any of your right wing sites like redstate.org would do a tribute to them?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 6, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Currently on the dailykos website:
After a 2-year battle with breast cancer, Rep. Jo Ann Davis of Virginia’s 1st Congressional District, died this morning, according to an alert from Roll Call. She was 57.
Shawn O’Donnell, Davis’ Democratic challenger in 2006, released the following statement of sympathy:
I wish to extend my sympathy to Representative Jo Ann Davis’ family in their time of sorrow.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmCV_T, did you post a tribute to Juanita Millender-McDonald when she died of cancer earlier this year?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI don’t have a problem with Tappy being gay.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI do have a problem with his hypocrisy and moraler than thou attitude on Capitol Hill. And I hope he stays around embarrasing his fellow closeteers for the duration of his term. His replacement would be another Repubhypocritelican.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him again gain favor with the Bushies after this.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 6, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Either that, or start dishin’ even more salacious bits…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… a vampire scorned… BWAHAHAHAHAHA…
October 6th, 2007 at 7:21 pmThey could at least report her death before doing Craig story #4395495.
Comment by CT_V1
Why? As I asked before and you ignored, do you really think that redstate.org would report the death of some obscure democratic congressperson?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pmdo you really think that redstate.org would report the death of some obscure democratic congressperson?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 6, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
I checked fer him, Bilbo…
El Rushbo, Dild O’Reilly, Heil Hannity, ‘n LGF were all sans obit for the good Rep. I’m a little disappointed that CT didn’t lash out at them too. Seems like a double standard to me…
October 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pmNumber 69–Do you seriously think Craig would have gone on beyond foot tapping if the cop hadn’t responded? Give me a break!
Comment by candide
Thats what undercover cops do, act as a decoy.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:25 pmNumber 19–The operative word is “children.†We are all somebody’s children. The characteristic that makes something pedophilia is that it is with pre-adolescents.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
It isn’t just the age, it is the age difference. What Foley was doing is predation. Frankly I find your rationalizations on this thread to be either bizarrely naive or rather creepy.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:28 pmCraig stood outside the officer’s bathroom stall for two minutes, repeatedly looked at the officer “through the crack in the door,â€
Wierd behavior??
October 6th, 2007 at 7:28 pmYup.
His replacement would be another Repubhypocritelican.
Comment by RUCerious — October 6, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Repubhypocritelian??? WTF is that??? Let’s see… probably has the spine of a jellyfish, the hide of a rhino, the snout of a pig, the jaws of a great white, and definitely does all its thinkin’ w/ the South end while headin’ North… plus scales ‘n feathers, and a tail…
And in Rudi Giuliani’s case, lip stick and nail polish that matches, plus a string of pearls…
October 6th, 2007 at 7:29 pmGeez, where’d all the trolls go? They’re were makin’ such good points ‘n all.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmNumber 84 and number 69–You say if he is a U.S. Senator, he must meet a high standard, with exclamation points. That is what they said about Clinton. That is why I think the stink about Craig is overdone.
The man’s sexual peccadilloes are an embarrassment to him, but they don’t involve me or the general public. I “defend” him for this, because the harm done is something that is personal rather than public. I don’t hold our politicians to a higher standard than the average citizen for his sexual conduct. I hold him to a VERY high standard for his public conduct–by which I mean what he does as a politician, not in his personal life. If he abuses the public trust, I care! If he makes a pass at a man or woman, and doesn’t harm them, or doesn’t abuse their authority, I just find it hard to get enraged.
Sanctimony, high horses, feigned horror–Rush Limbaugh!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmOoops, I fergot, the stripes of a skunk…
October 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmAccording to the report filed by the police officer who arrested Craig at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in June, Craig stood outside the officer’s bathroom stall for two minutes, repeatedly looked at the officer “through the crack in the door,â€
Comment by Xisithrus — October 6, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Well, I certainly would be very bothered by this intrusion on my privacy in a bathroom stall, and I would feel forced to leave a bathroom in which someone was poking their foot into my stall, but it is probably useless to explain this to “candide”. He seems to think that disgusting sexual predation is somehow okay, and that people should feel comfortable when this bizarre conduct occurs in public bathrooms.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI care! If he makes a pass at a man or woman, and doesn’t harm them, or doesn’t abuse their authority, I just find it hard to get enraged.
Sanctimony, high horses, feigned horror–Rush Limbaugh!
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Tehn we can trust you are condemning the Repub Congress taht tried to crucify Clinton, and the rightwing media that helped do it.
Tap… tap… waaaaitin’… tap… tap…
Oh, don’t fergit Li’l Ricky “Man-Dog Luv” Santorum while yer at it…
October 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pmcandide sez:
As the aforementioned “sexual peccadilloes” took place in a public restroom, your argument is invalid.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pmthat people should feel comfortable when this bizarre conduct occurs in public bathrooms.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 6, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
That’s not ture, vk… Only when GOOPers are doin’ it, doin’ it, doin’ it!!!
Everybody else git’s punished!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmThe man’s sexual peccadilloes are an embarrassment to him, but they don’t involve me or the general public.
Oh sure they do, when the guy gets on HIS high horse and sponsors legislation that affects the lives of those in the gay community. His actions are highly relevant.
And, it’s against the law, whether we like it or not, and whether or not we might think cops should be doing something more useful with their time. That’s another argument. Hence, the guilty plea stands. The lawmaker broke the law.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmSanctimony, high horses, feigned horror–Rush Limbaugh!
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Tappy McWideStance is MY Senator.
I don’t give a shit if he’s gay, but I DO give a shit that he represents this state from a base of hypocrisy.
I never voted for the guy, but he does represent me. I say he needs to go sooner, rather than later.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pmNumber 96 and 97–read the whole thread. I said I wouldn’t want him in control of my children and that 17-year-olds make bad choices. The distinction is between pedophilia and inappropriate adult behavior–neither of which I approve.
And 97, the police have a long history of using entrapment in cases such as these. I am very skeptical. Believe it if you wish.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:39 pmCandide is laying down a barrage of rationalizations for behavior that is both inexcusable and illegal. He seems to not realize that when a U.S. senator who engages in illegal conduct of such a scandalous nature can be blackmailed into misusing the enormous power wielded by a senator. Security clearances are denied for precisely this sort of thing. Do Craig and Foley have security clearances? As senators I would expect that they do have some level of security clearance.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:40 pmcandide, entrapment is a specific, narrow defense. It means you wouldn’t have committed the crime had the police not induced you to do it. The defense would have to show you wouldn’t have been a willing participant without the inducement first. It doesn’t fit in this case.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:43 pmCandyce–I agree with you about the hypocrisy, and God knows, as a gay man, I would never vote for the a**hole. But I wouldn’t vote for or against him on the basis of whether he taps his foot in an airport stall–or even because some cop interpreted his foot tapping as a come-on, or a judge said this was public indecency. There are many better reasons to vote against him.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:44 pmcandide, but we still have to recognize that there’s a public interest in keeping this activity out of a public airport restroom. Bottom line, he broke the law. That’s what is at issue here, not the toe tapping in and of itself. But the law, like it or not.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:48 pmNumber 109–yes, we have to be careful about being subjected to blackmail. The French have a better solution than we do. They anticipate sexual misconduct as the norm; thus, no one is ever driven from office for personal behavior. We do thing in America a bit differently. Stupidly, I would say, and make a mountain out of a molehill. So we shall suffer on in the stupidity of the Puritans.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pmCandide,
Sex in a public restroom is somehow private? A Senator predating on 16 year old boys is somehow okay with you?
You disgust me.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:51 pmCandide,
Have you ever had sex with a man in a public restroom? Anywhere else in public?
October 6th, 2007 at 7:51 pmCandyce–It is a misdemeanor, and not a crime against his constituents. Fine him, punish him, embarrass him in front of the Christian Right idiots that put him in office. It just isn’t a big deal to me, and I think if the public had more perspective, it wouldn’t be a big deal to them. There are REAL crimes this man has committed in support of this war.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pm115–No.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pm…I hold him to a VERY high standard for his public conduct–by which I mean what he does as a politician, not in his personal life. If he abuses the public trust, I care! If he makes a pass at a man or woman, and doesn’t harm them, or doesn’t abuse their authority, I just find it hard to get enraged.
Sanctimony, high horses, feigned horror–Rush Limbaugh!
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
In this instance, for me, it is definitely the hypocrisy. Craig is a consistent voter against human rights and equality for homosexuals. He helped pass the original DADT policy, among others. He actively denies fellow citizens their rights as equal citizens in this country. Then, in private, he engages in the behavior he, through his speeches and voting patterns, publicly indicates is reprehensible.
Why is the hypocrisy so vital an issue? Because it brings in to question any and all behavior the man has engaged in while in office. If he is willing to lie, and deny at all turns his own humanity, his own personal nature and attractions, in what other ways is he compromised? How else does his hypocrisy manifest itself?
How many times and ways has he violated his oath of office? We know, due to 15+ years of deception on this one issue, that he is in it for the long haul when it comes to maintaining a lie. How many more deceptions has he participated in or been privy to, but never publicly disclosed?
Anyone with a story such as this that becomes exposed, especially when it is apparent that this is a long-term pattern of lying about their very lifestyle, loses public trust. In a big way. Public trust is part of that whole “political capital” thing you hear about on the Hill. A politician with no political capital has no influence, no power. Such a politician has no place in the political arena. None. Even his fellow politicians on the Hill will shun him, if not actually, then for all intents and purposes. They may give him lip-service, they may act as though they are listening to him, but every proposal he presents, every word out of his mouth will be suspect. To even his PEERS.
Such a man in such a position of power is a dangerous liability to the entire Republic.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDo Craig and Foley have security clearances? As senators I would expect that they do have some level of security clearance.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 6, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Vk? A slight adjustment to yer comment?
DID Craig and Foley have clearances… “DID” works much bettr here, no?
“… I would expect that they DID have some level of security clearance.”
Hasn’t Craig been shorn of every committee seat he held in Congress, along w/ the last, tattered remnants of his dignity?
(Psst… “Candide”… while yer busy playin’ the “gay” card ta get leverage here, Craig’s fellow GOOpers are the ones who kicked him off the committees and are shunning him completely, jes’ EXACTLY the way Hastert forced Foley out) The GOOpers… throwin’ their own overboard!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:54 pmis a dangerous liability to the entire Republic.
Comment by Moderation — October 6, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Whoa!!! A liability to The Republic? Say no more! Tha man must GO!!!
T’anks fer lookin’ out fer me, fellas!!!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:55 pmCandyce–It is a misdemeanor, and not a crime against his constituents. Fine him, punish him, embarrass him in front of the Christian Right idiots that put him in office. It just isn’t a big deal to me, and I think if the public had more perspective, it wouldn’t be a big deal to them. There are REAL crimes this man has committed in support of this war.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Not a crime against his constituents because he didn’t do it in Idaho? I’m not sure what your points are here. You aren’t going to find too many people on this site who are opposed to him based on the fact that he’s gay. Please note, it IS his constituents and fellow GOP lawmakers who are going after him, not Democrats. He can’t be kicked out of Congress because of his conservative stance on the war. You’re right, that’s the voters’ prerogative. It’s not going to be his rank hypocrisy that gets him booted out, it’s going to be his own party’s opposition to gays. But I sure won’t defend him - whatever it takes, just get rid of the s.o.b.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:01 pmEvery republican running for the senate should be made to declare how wide their stance is case the information is needed at a later date.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:02 pmoops…is in case…
October 6th, 2007 at 8:03 pmNumber 118–I agree completely. His hypocrisy is the only issue, in my opinion, that makes this story relevant to the body politic. I do not think that is how it has been handled by the press or by many bloggers. It has most often been treated as sexual scandal, and that is as much nonsense as the Clinton scandal. That is all I really object to here.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThis has nothing to do with being gay. If the conduct were heterosexual in nature the same issues would apply. Candide’s creepy rationalizations are a disservice to the gay community.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:09 pmFrankly, I don’t know of anyone here, except the conservatives, who thinks this is a sexual scandal. Sure, we make a lot of sexual innuendo jokes, but it’s fun to laugh at hypocrites. Speaking for myself, it’s a legal and betrayal of trust and hypocrisy scandal.
Are you a log cabin Republican, candide? I’m a little suspicious of your claim to be a gay man, yet you defend Craig and minimize his lawbreaking, just as you defend Foley’s betrayal of trust and custody. I just find it a little weird.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:14 pm#30 veritas
I would submit:
CRAIG’S CONDIGNED CATASTHOPHIC CLAUSTOPHOBIC CIRCUMSCRIBED (CIRCUMSCISED?) COMMODE CONGRESS CONFESSION.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:15 pmNumber 126–As spokesman for the “gay community,” thank you for your comments. If I am creepy, I find your response–well it wasn’t a response, just name calling. I guess I have a hard time arguing with that.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:15 pmNumber 118–I agree completely. His hypocrisy is the only issue, in my opinion, that makes this story relevant to the body politic.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Nah… it has to do w/ the astonishing hypocrisy of the conservative movement in this country. Homosexuality has been demonized to an incredible degree over the last 10 or 15 yrs by the righties in their endless pursuit of power, and Craig was part and parcel of that, and he had enablers in the Republican part of Congress. They’re all complicit in this mess.
The Republican Party and Homosexuality
Aired: Monday, April 28, 2003
Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican and rising star in his party, is in the hot seat over comments that linked gay consensual sex with bigamy, polygamy, incest, and adultery.
*****
“…one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order.”
- “Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys,” FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf
*****
Friday, May 6, 2005
Gay sex scandal rocks Spokane
Mayor denies he abused boys in 1970s or misused his office
By CHRIS McGANN AND KATHY MULADY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS
Spokane Mayor Jim West, who championed an anti-gay agenda during his tenure as one of the most powerful Republicans in the Legislature, yesterday admitted to using the trappings of his current office to entice what he thought was a young adult man but denied allegations that he molested two young boys more than 20 years ago.
West confirmed to The Spokesman-Review of Spokane that he offered gifts, favors and a City Hall internship during Internet chats with a man he believed was 18. The online pen pal was actually a forensic computer expert working for the newspaper. After the story hit the newsstands yesterday, West sent city staffers a remorseful e-mail.
“I want to sincerely apologize to you personally for the shame I have brought to the Mayor’s office and the city,” West wrote. “I stumbled and let you down.”
The accusations of child molestation stem from The Spokesman-Review’s three-year investigation and interviews with two felons who said West fondled them and forced them to perform sexual acts on him when they were Boy Scouts.
In more than 20 years in the Legislature, West had initiated legislation to outlaw sexual contact between consenting teenagers; supported a bill that would have barred gays and lesbians from working for schools, day care centers and some state agencies; voted to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman; and, as Senate majority leader, allowed a bill that would ban discrimination against gays and lesbians to die in committee without a hearing.
It’s just endless w/ these guys. Nothing but hatred, and all for political gain.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:19 pmName calling? Hardly. I am pointing out that you are rationalizing sexual predation of minors and lewd conduct in public places, then I am expressing a value judgement about that. Also, your posts seem to imply that you think it would be, or should be, legal for Foley to have sex with minors. For your information it would be VERY illegal in this country, and personally I think it should be illegal.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:19 pmAre you a log cabin Republican, candide? I’m a little suspicious of your claim to be a gay man, yet you defend Craig and minimize his lawbreaking, just as you defend Foley’s betrayal of trust and custody. I just find it a little weird.
Comment by Candyce — October 6, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
I wonder these things too. What the hell is candide’s angle here? Is this some kind of weird concern troll thing? Even if one is ambivalent about the entrapment issue, or whether there was enough evidence to convict Craig (I happen to think there wasn’t — until Craig pleaded guilty), this troll is on some kind of mission to normalize lewd conduct in public bathrooms, and sex between 50-something U.S. senators and minors.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:23 pm.
We’ve seen this with Mark Foley.
Hide… evade… deney… distance…
Why are we surprised?
.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:24 pmCandyce–I have a friend who committed a crime like Craig’s and was convicted for it. It was catastrophic to him in terms of his family and his public reputation. I think he used horrible judgment. Still, I feel very badly for him. I don’t believe these crimes are worth the public outrage shown. I don’t think the police should be wasting time with them, and I do believe in many cases there is an abuse of power in prosecuting these cases.
I think by showing the degree of opprobrium demonstrated against Craig, all we do is carry on what I believe in many ways can be a miscarriage of justice. Again, it is just my conviction that personal misconduct and public misconduct should be distinguished from one another, and that the scandalmongering of both conservatives and liberals is a disservice to running a well managed government.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThe only thing obvious about the Bathroom Queen’s obstinance is that his ego trumps what he is doing to the reputation of his party. One side of me says: Let Craig stay until the 08 elections because, by then, there will be no GOP left whatsoever; another side of me is absolutely appalled that he is so twisted and amoral that he wouldn’t see the hypocrisy within him in his motives.
Either way it’s a lose/lose for Craig. His public days are over and have been since his guilty plea.
As for how long he remains, maybe the Repukes will trounce him out by the nuts? If not, he and Bush will take everyone down the toilet (you know the one in the airport) with them. … which could be a good thing for this country in a sad sort of way.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pmIncidentally–I haven’t voted Republican since the ’70s. I am a progressive through and through, and cannot abide Log Cabin Republicans.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThis situation bespeaks the necrotic level of behavior within the bush administration and this republican congress. The bickering about whether it’s a misdemeanor or something worse is totally irrelevant when you speak about a congressman - one whom we expect a higher level of conduct from in the first place.
The bottom line is that this guy was caught “red handed”or “open handed as the case may be” by an undercover cop. Big mistake this time for Craig. One has to wonder how many times this pig did this and succeeded and got away with it scott free. That’s the larger question here.
There was an individual when this story broke who admitted to having oral sex with Larry Craig in an airport restroom (Craig’s typical MO?) and I’m hoping that he and others will “sing” and provide testimony to put this guy behind bars.
When I look at Craig and watch his antics, all I can think is ewwwwwwwwwwww.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:29 pmLet the restroom whistleblowers sing and take down the Airport Bathroom Queen!
October 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pmI’m a little suspicious of your claim to be a gay man, yet you defend Craig and minimize his lawbreaking, just as you defend Foley’s betrayal of trust and custody. I just find it a little weird.
Comment by Candyce — October 6, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
… this troll is on some kind of mission to normalize lewd conduct in public bathrooms, and sex between 50-something U.S. senators and minors.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 6, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
I don’t believe “Candide” is gay either. I notice this wasn’t mentioned until well into the conversation, when this person was getting NOWHERE w/ this line of thought. Seems like an attempt to play the victim card.
Also, “Candide” claims to be 60-ish? And has never heard of gay sex in public restrooms? Having lived thru decades when gays really were a repressed minority in this country?
SORRY!! Ain’t buyin’ it. Talk about gittin’ outted…
October 6th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
I think you are missing the point a bit. Craig’s fellow Republicans in the Senate apparently knew of his activity and, through their silence, condoned it. Only after his perversion came to light did they distance themselves as much as possible. So were they lying about his activity being ok before or are they faking disgust now? Either way, hypocrites all.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:32 pmcandide,
I understand what you’re saying, and would rather that Tappy were gone because of his horrible voting record on…..everything. I hardly think that tapping on a bathroom floor is the worst thing he’s ever done — see voting record. But his hypocrisy is so staggering that I would just rather see him gone.
There are several pretty decent people in the wings who have shown interest in replacing Craig. That’s what my state needs — decent representation.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:33 pmTesting…. my last two posts haven’t gone through.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:36 pmOh I know why the posts didn’t go through.
I SAID Craig deserves everything that’s coming at him. He’s been a bad boy, a naughty boy. Karma’s a bltch.
hehe!
October 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm139–No, I never said I hadn’t heard of bathroom sex. I said I never observed it. Furthermore, I wasn’t looking for it. My point was that, at least to a casual observer like myself who wasn’t looking for bathroom sex, it wasn’t something we noticed.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:38 pmZooey– I am entirely with you. Get rid of the hypocrites. I wish we could do that without feeding the bigotry of the Republicans, though.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“…at least to a casual observer like myself who wasn’t looking for bathroom sex, it wasn’t something we noticed.”
Comment by candide
“we”
October 6th, 2007 at 8:40 pm(??)
it wasn’t something we noticed.
Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Whose “we”??? And, sorry, I don’t find you credible.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:40 pmI, forgive me.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:42 pmNumber 35 — I guess I am lucky. In 60 years, I have yet to observe sex occurring in a public bathroom. Furthermore, no one has ever hit on me in a bathroom that I noticed. Maybe I was missing the hints. I didn’t know about foot tapping and fingers under the dividers. I don’t think I would get too upset if someone tapped their foot in the next stall, but that is just me. Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:34
Sooo…having some cheeseball, nay, government cheeseball, illegally playing lookie-loo through the stall door crack is just dandy where you come from?
I guess you have stricter moral standards than I. Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:34
Gosh, why would it bother me to have some predatory closet case sniffing around a men’s public bathroom for some down-low action? What’s to object to? Hell, why not post sexual positions posted in the bathroom and have interested parties just walk in and point? That’s not illegal either, right? Right?
You cite Clinton in your defense of Craig? That’s all you got?? That’s a fallacy known as “Tu Quoque” meaning you’re trying to excuse or justify by citing what you deem as similar behavior. Not only is that approach not even admissible in court, but it’s the bottom of the barrel, debate-wise. The two events bear few similarities….not even involving the opposite sex in Craig’s case.
The next time it will be a Democrat involved in a scandal and you will be more sympathetic, I am sure (although I doubt you will admit it). Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Trying to project my reaction in advance to buoy an otherwise desperate and shaky defense of a tragically incompetent government official (who not only agreed to his guilt, lied, tried to use his status to squirm out of the charge, but then lied some more,) is revealing of your desperation. In other words, you suck at presenting a coherent argument, just reduced to rhetorical tricks like “poisoning the well” by lamely anticipating any disagreement I may have with your unsupported assertions.
No soup for you.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:44 pmAw, c’mon, throw us something a little more salacious than just
October 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pm“forgive me…”
Have you been bad?
Do you need a spanking?
and Mr. Stupidity, in what sense do I lack credibility? What don’t you believe? I can’t find sexual misconduct unworthy public outrage? I don’t. I don’t think public misconduct is more important than personal misconduct on the part of public officials? I do. I am not gay? Well, that will be a surprise tomy partner of 17 years.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pmIt seems appropriate somehow to announce that the Cesspool Party is up at the Zoo. ;)
October 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pmThanks for answering the “we” question.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:49 pmI’m calling it a concern troll.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI can’t find sexual misconduct unworthy public outrage? I don’t. Comment by candide — October 6, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
If you lyingly claim to be about “family values” and bash and try to outlaw homosexuality while not only engaging in it yourself , but doing it publicly and illegally , I’d say that’s pretty outrageous , isn’t it ?
October 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmYou who this troll reminds me of? Remember the one about a month and a half ago, claiming to be a retired military officer, that took the name of Jack Nicholson’s character from “A Few Good Men”?
Same patient, slightly paternalistic attitude. Same language. Even making similar claims for the sympathy value… w/ the “military officer” it was his 80 yr old mother. This guy even has a long term partner in waiting, when it’s worth rolli