Right Wing Launches Baseless Smear Campaign Against 12 Year Old Recipient Of SCHIP
Right Wing Launches Baseless Smear Campaign Against 12 Year Old Recipient Of SCHIP
Two weeks ago, the Democratic radio address was delivered by a 12-year old Maryland boy named Graeme Frost. Graeme told his story of being involved in a severe car accident three years ago, and having received access to medical care because of the Children’s Health Insurance Program. He said:
If it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
The right-wing immediately condemned Democrats for daring to put a human face on the SCHIP program at a time when Bush was proposing a “diminishment of the number of children covered.” Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) — who has posed with children to advance his own political agenda — claimed Graeme was being used “as a human shield.”
Conservatives have more recently turned their targets on young Graeme Frost himself. A poster at the Free Republic propagated information alleging that Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government. Among other bits of information, the post by the Freeper “icwhatudo” asserts that Graeme and his sister Gemma attend wealthy schools that cost “nearly $40,000 per year for tuition” and live in a well-off home.
The smear attack against Graeme has taken firm hold in the right-wing blogosphere. The National Review, Michelle Malkin, Wizbang, Powerline, and the Weekly Standard blog have all launched assaults on the Frost family. The story is slowly working its way into traditional media outlets as well.
Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:
1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.
Desperate to defend Bush’s decision to cut off millions of children from health care, the right wing has stooped to launching baseless and uninformed attacks against a 12 year old child and his family.
Right wing bloggers have been harassing the Frosts, calling their home numerous times to get information about their private lives. Compassionate conservatism indeed.
UPDATE: TP commenter Mr. Ed notes that Malkin visited the Frost’s home and business today. A coworker of Mr. Frost tells Malkin that the family is “struggling,” but she refuses to believe it.
UPDATE II: More from John Aravosis, Whiskey Fire, All Spin Zone, Matt Ortega, FDL, and Kos.
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October 8th, 2007 at 5:09 pmoh man, I had a sweet troll post all done up, but then I read the full post, and come on, it sounds like the family got pretty hurt in the car accident, and the state is doing quite a bit to help them out. Even I realized it would have been in poor taste.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pmPrinceps –
That’s the idea. Let’s let it work for other kids who don’t have health insurance as well. I think that is what Graeme was suggesting.
Sincerely,
October 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pmNice. Watch the big, brave Repukes beat up on a 12 year old boy.
Next thing you know, they’ll sic Rush on him.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmHow can anyone continue to support an agenda that relies on tactics like this to try and rebut an argument?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmJust when you think right-wing Republicans can’t possibly go any lower, they prove you wrong once again. The only compassion conservatives have is for themselves. Their number one objection to any social program that aids the poor, the hungry, or the uninsured is that these programs take tax dollars that could be given to them. Conservatives love welfare as long as it is for them.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHey all …
Malkin went up to visit with a tenant of his business property. They also drove past his home and remarked about the bumper sticker that said “1-20-09″.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmPrinceps
Yeah, then on the sidebar 99% of the liblogs you will see an image of Rush with a quotation saying ‘The Phony 12 year olds.’
If he’s dumb enough to say something like that again, why blame the left for taking advantage?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:19 pmThere is no bottom to how low Republican scum will go. These people are sick. But the good news is that they are contributing to the destruction of the GOP.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhy are Republican Party priorities so out of wack, and how can the right-wing sycophant-o-blog-o-sphere never question/challenge the Bush administration on ANYTHING?
Funding this program is the right thing to do for our COUNTRY. Partisan politics shouldn’t even play a part in this issue. This funding passed with wide BIPARTISAN support for a reason.
This “attack the messenger” approach against an injured child and his family is beyond disgusting. It’s the very definition of unAmerican.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:20 pmPrinceps – Rush is perfectly willing to mock someone with Parkinson’s disease and an injured American vet – why not a 12 year old…?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:21 pmPrinceps
I would expect nothing less from the left.
To take advantage of an obvious political/social gaff? Why would you expect them to ignore it? I guess I fail to see what the downside to it would be?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI’m surprised Rush hasn’t sent out a press release to Drudge & Politico.
He will be all over it tomorrow.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pmToo bad the Cancer Kid isn’t still Bush’s mouthpiece. We’d see headlines like, “Snow Slams Frost” or “Frost Dusted By Snow.”
October 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThe Repukian Scum are real brave against a 12 year old. That’s as brave as they get. Faced with someone who can handle themselves they will tuck their tail between their legs and run everytime.
Buck Fush
October 8th, 2007 at 5:24 pmHow quickly we are now sidetracked. The Ghost in the Machine continues. The Repubs will stoop to nothing.
However, I must say this. I don’t want to pay more for my cigarettes.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYou gotta check out Michelle Malkin, too. She’s on a rampage, apparently stalking the family.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:25 pmPlease TP, just the facts. It’s a good story and i’m glad you’re featuring it. I’m with you up until the part where you say, “Right wing bloggers have been harassing the Frosts, calling their home numerous times to get information about their private lives.” You see, you’re complaining that the Right wing Bloogers are not getting the facts about the Frosts and you simultaneous complaining that they are calling the Frosts to get the facts.
Your comment is not integral to the story and actually detracts from it as it shows that they could not possibly meet your standard no matter what they do. May I suggest that you excise that comment.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:25 pmYour comment is not integral to the story and actually detracts from it as it shows that they could not possibly meet your standard no matter what they do. May I suggest that you excise that comment.
Comment by Eskwaya — October 8, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Go f*ck yourself, you whining ass. The comment is the point of the story: Republicans are cowardly scum that will stoop as low as they can to gain political profit from injured children. This is the point that needs to be hammered on again and again, until Republicans are driven from office and no longer able to harm the USA.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pmhttp://michellemalkin.com/
October 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pmDo you have the link?
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
No link necessary. If it can be the lowest form of behavior a human is capable of, it will be done by Malkin.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:31 pmEskwaya,
The whole point of the post is how low the right-wing will stoop in their attacks, so why would personally calling the family repeatedly with harrassing calls, or even going to their home like Malkin is doing not be relevant to this post???
If the left-wing criticizes someone like Malkin or Limbaugh for something they said, do they call them personally at home repeatedly, and go to their house? That’s not an attempt to find the facts. That’s an attempt to SILENCE people who speak out.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmDo you have the link?
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Can you read?
look at the “update” for the thread.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmYour comment is not integral to the story and actually detracts from it as it shows that they could not possibly meet your standard no matter what they do. May I suggest that you excise that comment.
Comment by Eskwaya — October 8, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
It’s exactly integral to the story, which is that conservatives will even go so far as to attack children and their families. The fact is, none of these personal facts are pertinent to anything, except that now that the righties have outed this family, everyone knows who they are, where they live, how much they earn, where there kids go to school, and on and on. And now they take those facts and twist them to show that this family is actually “well-to-do.” The facts were no one’s business. The state of Maryland deems them proper beneficiaries, go talk to the state of Maryland. Stop stalking the family. And THAT’s the point of the story.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:36 pmLet’s see, and these Republicans claim to be Christian as well. I guess they think Christ would have trashed these children and their family too?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThis is no surprise. In fact it is the wingnuts m.o.: attack the messenger, throw in misleading and false information, and distract from the issue until it goes away.
Send out the henchmen! Intimidate the small and weak until they have no voice! Elitist America shall prevail! Afterall, a healthy life is a privilage only for the wealthy, not a right for all equally.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:39 pmReally what these GOP’ers need to ask is what would Jesus do. Is this what he taught, is this what Jesus stands for? They supposedly represent a christian america, attacking the left for its supposed atheism, and yet this is how they act.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThe truth is the gop can spin lies and attack all they want, GOD is watching and ultimately they are going to have to answer to him and will suffer forever more.
I really feel sorry for them, they have lost their way and are heading for destruction.
I just read the Michelle Malkin Link above.
Damn I’m sick to my stomach. I guess she doesn’t believe in Karma. But she spends so much time throwing around moral temper tantrums….Does she believe in god or just the mighty greenback. My guess would be only the mighty greenback.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pmJeeze, I don’t see any “update” on Malkin’s website clearing up the question of how the kids can afford private school. Scholarship, Michelle? Subsidy?
The woman is totally without honor or ethics, but she’s also totally without credibility among any but the wingnuttiest of wingnuts. The only people who pay any attention to her b.s. are people seeking validation for their own creepiness.
If she had a real audience, I would be concerned.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI am a “ConcernedParent†as well. Don’t you see the argument, at least, that Jesus would not want the GOVERNMENT teaching anything about sex? He would leave that up to the parents and church.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmComment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
And we know how _that_ has worked out throughout the centuries.
I am a “ConcernedParent†as well. Don’t you see the argument, at least, that Jesus would not want the GOVERNMENT teaching anything about sex? He would leave that up to the parents and church.
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
This is something I rarely, if ever, have typed, but
WTF!
October 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmGOP is a bunch of pathetic losers.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIf Bush was a Christian in the true sense of the word (not merely a political ploy) he would’ve been disappointed that MORE money wasn’t proposed to put into children’s health.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWell, he does have a history…
On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, “Did you know there’s a White House dog?” Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:50 pmWow. I just read some of the comments at Powerline about this. The sickness, ignorance, and stupidity is breathtaking.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWhy would we expect these despicable Bush lackeys to have any shame? Bush and his enablers have left a path of destruction through our political, economic, social, and health care systems. With little else to hide behind, they trash a family that already has a mountain of problems. They have no shame
If you want to see the impact of Bush’s War on our soldiers and their families, see “The Valley of Elan.” A power indictment of Bush’s War, set in the USA. Don’t miss it.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:52 pm“Jesus would not want the federal GOVERNMENT providing health care insurance either.”
Comment by Rory
If one can read between the lines of the stories about Jesus, it is apparent that he chose to empower people to be responsible for their own health and healing first, and then from that place of strength help others to heal.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:53 pmModern medicine preaches a dependence on the doctor to heal, as well as instilling a focus on illnesses, as opposed to focusing on health.
Modern medicine also preaches cures via drugs.
Drugs, hypochondria, and managed health care are all good for the bottom line, and bad for human health and well being.
Jesus was in favor of helping the sick, no matter where that help comes from.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:53 pm40…Rory is correct. I remember a quote from the Bible, I think it’s Isaac 4:1, where Jesus says, “The US government shall not help sick or injured children. God’s children are better off suffering and dying than receiving the care that they need. Oh, and by the way, Rory will quote me on 10/8/2007.”
October 8th, 2007 at 5:54 pmMalkin went up to visit with a tenant of his business property. They also drove past his home and remarked about the bumper sticker that said “1-20-09″.
Comment by Mr. Ed
So, is there a point in there somewhere?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:54 pmWhy do you think Jesus would be in favor of GOVERNMENT-run healthcare insurance?
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
I don’t what Jesus would think of it, Rory, but I can tell you a very good reason YOU should support single-payer health insurance: it has been proven in the rest of the developed world to deliver quantifiably better healthcare at little more than half the cost we pay here, according to a large body of peer-reviewed public health research.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmWrong thread. Jesus would not want the federal GOVERNMENT providing health care insurance either.
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Of course he would. Jesus wasn’t a right-wing hater, he was a left-wing lover of all mankind, and would be the first to insist on universal healthcare for all, and especially children. And He wouldn’t care who provided it.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmPS, when did you get religion “Rory”, yesterday?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmTo paraphrase Rush Limbaugh:
Malkin is a phony American.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmYeah, then on the sidebar 99% of the liblogs you will see an image of Rush with a quotation saying ‘The Phony 12 year olds.’
I can see it now!
Comment by Princeps
If he says it, you will see it on the blogs. Just like you saw the video of Rush’s spastic movements making fun of Michael J. Fox. Yea, Rush’s a peach.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:56 pmif they were as rich as the right wing smear merchants say they are, they’d be repupbicans.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pmFunding this program is the right thing to do for our COUNTRY. Partisan politics shouldn’t even play a part in this issue. This funding passed with wide BIPARTISAN support for a reason.
Yes, I would like our resident Right Wing Loons to tell us why 2/3 of the Republicans support this program if it is not the right thing to do.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:58 pmSame question to Lefty Patriot.
PS Nevar, I’ve always been religious.
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Which question? Not the lunatic one about Satan, I hope? If Satan decided to help sick children, that sure would rock your little fantasy world, wouldn’t it? How stupid are you, anyway?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:58 pmPS Nevar, I’ve always been religious.
Comment by Rory
Insanity
October 8th, 2007 at 5:58 pmdef:
Doing the same thing over and over again; expecting different results.
Jesus advocates Salvation through the True Laws of God. He did not want us to put too much faith in the laws of men.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Bullshit.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:59 pmJesus advocates Salvation through the True Laws of God. He did not want us to put too much faith in the laws of men.
Comment by Princeps
Oh shit, here we go again. Daryll has come back as the Princess. Ok, let’s cut him off now.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:59 pmJesus advocates Salvation through the True Laws of God. He did not want us to put too much faith in the laws of men.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Considering that Israel was under the thumb of Rome at the time, I can see why he was skeptical. Any attempt to portray Jesus as a libertarian is so ridiculous that it borders on cruel parody of wingnuts.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:00 pmBoy howdy, it’s a good thing this 12-year old boy wasn’t a 4-star general. Because then he’d be OFF LIMITS and ABOVE REPROACH. But he’s only a kid and, heck, if conservatives cared about kids, they wouldn’t be fighting the bill in the first place.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPrincess sez:
Well, at least that throws the psychotic Romans:14 argument right out the window.
Thanks, Princess.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWell the Lunatic Reichwing didn’t miss a beat. The insame brownshirts at Michelle Malkin and free republic are already posting them as
wait for it…………..
“Phony Poor Kids”
Despicable loathesome lot, one and all.
Jokes on them as them as the sheeple bleet on without the facts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1908332/posts
October 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pmNot unexpected from the right. The Dems should have given these folks a safe house, for a month or two, until the wingtards find a new target.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pmRory, take the hint and leave. Thank you.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pmjesus was a liberal. they taught us that in school.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI’m kind of surprised Malkin, and the rest of the pathetic, shameless republicans haven’t claimed the 12y.o. child was helping the terrorists, wanted to kill babies in the womb, is helping to bring illegal imigrants into the country, and that he is trying to destroy America. What is wrong with these “people?” Could it be any clearer that they are less than human? I think not!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:05 pmFor the record, Lefty Patriot claimed that Jesus would want the federal GOVERNMENT providing health care insurance:
“Of course he would. Jesus wasn’t a right-wing hater, he was a left-wing lover of all mankind, and would be the first to insist on universal healthcare for all, and especially children. And He wouldn’t care who provided it.â€
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Yes, he would, that’s who he was. A liberal, and lover of children (and not in the Mark Foley sense), onje who knew that sharing the wealth was the good and right thing to do. The opposite of a rightwing moron republican liar. So, yes, rory, I’m on the record as standing up for the love of Jesus. You seem to be favoring Satan.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:06 pmYes or not: would Jesus support that or not?
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Who gives a f**k, Rory? Jesus said “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s; give unto God what is God’s.” Do you think Jesus would DISAPPROVE of Caesar then using the money to help poor, sick people in distress?
Duh.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pmEwww… I feel dirty just having gone to MM’s page. Won’t ever do that again. That woman is pure evil.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pmYou might not want to weigh in on this one… considering that clearly you know absolutely nothing about one of the main tenets of Christianity.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
So fill me in, rather than doing the coward hit-and-run you think you can get away with. Show me where Jesus would have the federal government veto a bill to help poor children.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:08 pmBut now that TP has exposed the truth, we can expect Bill O’ and Rush to foam at the mouth about the Nazis over here.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSo tell us Princess and Rory, if the SCHIP bill was so bad, then why did 2/3 of the Republicans support it?
Anyone want to bet that neither have an answer?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pm#85 applies to you, too, Princess Mermaid.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmJesus would clearly have been a Friedman Free Market Capitalist and would have orchastrated the very same smear campaign against this child and his family in order to protect the god-blessed profit margins for the insurance companies!
You’re right Princess! I can see that now. How could I have been so blind?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Says the twit aka Mr. P who half the time doesn’t know what he is talking about, and the other half he usually describes a barely recognisable reality. Like in this case.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“The Princess and Mr. P?” no? Really? well gaaaaaaaaaaaaw-leeee!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:13 pmActually Jesus would insist that disciples of his should heal the sick in the same way he did: “take up thy bed and walk.” It would kind of make government health insurance irrelevant, no?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pm(cf. Matthew 10:8)
On the other hand, Moses, seeing Michelle Malkin bearing false witness against her neighbor, would probably cause the ground to open up beneath her and swallow her up.
If experience is any guide, that is.
(WWMK–Who Would Moses Kill?)
By the way, Mr. P, I seem to recall you talking about your enrollment in your local community college.
Why is it ok for you to leach off the government (as you would probably describe it), but it is not ok for a 12yo to get federally funded health care when his family cannot afford to pay for it?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for your answer….
October 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pmMr. Pee has used the word “princeps” often enough in the past for it to be a clear marker.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pmlooks like they’ve all run away, and without any answers.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:16 pmOh, and that would be “leech off”….
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmYou can find this in the section called “The New Testament†in a little Book called “The Holy Bible.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
More bullshit. is that all you have is bullshit?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmSo, if SATAN wants to help the sick, no problem?
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Too late. GWB already vetoed the bill so clearly that’s not about to happen.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmIf the money the government spent on the Frosts was for an education voucher rather than healthcare, the wingnuts would be screeching a far different tune.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmAnswer my question in #85, Princess Mermaid.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmGood to see the GOP Christian Family Values at work. Yes this is how the Christian Values acts toward those who are sinners and want US money. No we haven’t heard a word for Pastor Hagee but he’s all over the place about bombing Iran. Bush is to drunk to know what’s going on. The money for Health Care for Children can be better used for propaganda and pay offs. Now we see how the media will show how the US will bring a sick Iraq child to the USA to be treated. As for American Children they can just get sick and die or let another Country like Canada or Cuba help the Middle Class, poor and all the American Children with Health Care. I just love Boner face when he poses with children for Republican bills then cries when Americans find out he lied.
Pastor Hagee who is currently on a mission with Jewish Leaders to wipe out Oral Roberts Church and bring them over to the Dark Side so more Evangelist will help convince the American people to illegally bomb Iran and start WW3, Children’s Health Care isn’t important. Now we know the Evangelist Church and the Bush Administration are clearing out the US Treasury right under the American people’s face.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI’m not real conversant on religious teachings, but I don’t recall Jesus first doing means testing before healing the sick or feeding the masses.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThat idiotic b**ch Malkin suggests that:
“If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.”
As if it hasn’t occured to her that… The program is called SCHIP and it’s about Children’s Health Care!!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:19 pmSo, if SATAN wants to help the sick, no problem?
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Well, Rory, I guess that depends on whether Satan wants to charge the sick the cost of their souls. That certainly seems to be the capitalist way.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:19 pm’m not real conversant on religious teachings, but I don’t recall Jesus first doing means testing before healing the sick or feeding the masses.
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Guess what? neither does princess. nor can she find the passage where Jesus says the laws of men shouldn’t be followed.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Well, as long as this thread has devolved Bible quoting:
I believe those passages are in your magic book too, Princess.
You’re welcome.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:20 pmit is to find where Jesus says that one should not put too much faith in the laws of men and that one should seek salvation in the True Laws of God.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
And this is irrelevant, Mr. P, because we are not discussing salvation of the soul but healing of the body.
As I said, half the time you simply don’t know what the people around you are talking about…
October 8th, 2007 at 6:21 pmPost that on Milkins site, Trip!
good find.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:23 pmEven your fellow lefties know that Jesus put God’s Laws above the laws of man!
Now you’re being absurd.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I see no evidence of your absurd claims. Not only that, S-CHIP follows the law of god, according to TM’s bible quotes above. So, once again, you lose. Bush is the Satan-enabler here, not the left. Bush would starve children to death, and deny them medicine and aid, not the left. Bush would spend money to kill entire families and poison entire countries, not the left. You lose.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:23 pmThe Soul is more important than the body.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
And that is still not what the thread -or SCHIP- is about.
Better luck next time…
October 8th, 2007 at 6:24 pmEnough with “What would Jesus do?” about children’s health insurance. The man died 2000 years ago, but these children are alive today. If we want to keep them healthy, and alive tomorrow, we need to make sure they get proper health care! As a smoker with no children, I am more than happy to pay an extra $.61 a pack tax so that the children of others will get the medical attention they need, and deserve!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pmJesus advocates Salvation through the True Laws of God. He did not want us to put too much faith in the laws of men.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Just so we know where you’re coming from, please tell us which Jesus advocated that, the one who suposedly said, “He who is not my friend is my enemy,” or the one who supposedly said, “He who is not my enemy is my friend.”? Just trying to get some context here.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pmEven your fellow lefties know that Jesus put God’s Laws above the laws of man!
Now you’re being absurd.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
One of God’s Laws is to succor the sick and aid the helpless. Neither the Old Testament or Jesus hedged this one with any rules about “just don’t raise taxes in order to do it.” It’s a very straight-forward command.
The Romans supplied a grain subsidy to the proletariat; if Jesus was such a libertarian, he had ample opportunity to fit that in to his lectures. “Feed the sick and the poor, but don’t let this interfere with your God-given right to own three chariots.”
October 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI’m sorry, little rory, I don’t see any evidence of the superstition called Satan, except in the actions of Bush, which are Satanic by definition. So, if I must answer your irrelevant and insane question, then, yes, i would rather that Satan saved the children than starved them, but Satan being represented by Bush, i guess the kids will die. That should make you happy.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSo tell us Princess and Rory, if the SCHIP bill was so bad, then why did 2/3 of the Republicans support it?
Anyone want to bet that neither have an answer?
Still no answer. What’s the matter Princess (Mr. Pee) and Rory (aka Jake), cat’s got your tongue. Or don’t you have an answer?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe Soul is more important than the body.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
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That may be the case, but as this is a thread discussing a corporal work of mercy (cwhutididthar), the soul’s importance isn’t relevant.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThe Soul is more important than the body.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
I think you disprove that theory, by showing us that to you, neither is important.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI haven’t run away, and I answered every one of your questions.
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
You haven’t answered mine.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:29 pmPrincess sez:
Since it’s my comment that Princess Pony has linked to, in the deluded belief that it somehow his point, I’d like to cut in.
Which Kingdom is more important, Princess Pony? Which one should the children of God strive for?
Once you answer that one, then answer why Chimpy (the guy that God allegedly talks to) obviously isn’t trying too hard?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe question, Lefty Patriot, was whether the “superstition†called JESUS would support it, not whether YOU would. I already know you would.
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Of course he would. He’s wasn’t a right-wing ideologue, as I’ve already pointed out.
another fake Christian bites the dust.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:30 pm“The Soul is more important than the body.”
and the profit margin is more important than the Soul! right?
This has nothing to do with the Religious right. These bast*rds are simply attacking the family and this child to help prop up the administrations VETO on the grounds that it would cost the insurance industry profit margins!
That’s the real sin of this administration, and any true christian would be sickened by this glorification of one of the 7 Deadly sins.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:30 pmMatt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:30 pm*Errata*
“somehow his point” above should be “somehow proves his point”.
Thank you.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:30 pmbillobaggins:
Perhaps they are not real Christians?
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
The evidence shows that they may well be real christians, and you certainly are a fake christian.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:31 pm“Rory” sez:
Classic Shakey Jake excuse-making. Pathetic.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:31 pmI need to start believing in Hell so these right- wing demons will have a place to gather once they all finish wasting decent people’s oxygen.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:32 pmAll this crap about Jesus and God – is pointless. Neither of them is going to step up and either prove they exist or defend anyone’s point here.
Common decency and humanity is what we’re talking about here – and George Bush’s LACK THEREOF.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:32 pmAs soon as Lefty Patriot answers mine, VerbalKint : )
Comment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
your turn.
Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God is more important than the kingdoms of men.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
No he didn’t.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by Rory — October 8, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
You really are in peak form today, Mr. P.
Very seldom have I seen you spout so many non sequiturs per minute before.
What does Lefty Patriot have to do with your exchange with Verbalkint?
And how the soul remotely relevant in a discussion about healing the human body?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pm“Rory” sez:
Hi Jake.
(And BTW, I already told you, there’s no need to put my name in quotes. Of the two of us, I’m not the one attempting to escape my past. ^_^ )
October 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pmJesus Christ, I read the end of the Free Republic thread. It’s disgusting. Truly sick.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:34 pmPerhaps they are not real Christians?
Comment by Rory
So you are saying that “real Christians” would vote to keep children from having the health care they need? Thanks so much for clearing that up. If that’s the case, then I am very glad I am an atheist.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:34 pmPrincess Pony sez:
October 8th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
good point, LA. Bush is evil, and has vetoed a bill for purely profit motive, with no regard to what the country wants or what the children need. The only people defending this veto are lost souls, and antiAmerican scum.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThat’s not your call to make.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
sez who? Satan?
Bwahahahahaha!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWho cares what your fake messiah taught? I’m here to say that your fake President has vetoed the health-care of children to prop-up insurance stock options. He is a disgusting human being. and now that the stories of some of these children are coming out, the subserviant water carriers are lashing out against the family of this child. Pathetic how low these people will bow and scrape for a small little piece of that profit pie.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pmAgain, why are we arguing religion when this is about what the government has done? We do not live in a “christian nation” and I am not a christian. I am an American. This boy and his family are Americans. Let’s try and keep the dam n thread on topic. If you are arguing the religious aspect, they (the right) have already won half of the argument. The half that says religion should in any way be used in governmental decisions.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pmJust looking down the thread that is not the problem Rory. The problem is that they think they are the only real ones. Thus anything you say whether relevant and logical in light of the situation and the scripture is beside the point. Only they can be right. Politics informs religion in their world, not the other way around.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pmOnly time I read Free Republic or Michelle Malkin, is when I need a good laxative.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI’m waiting for an answer, Princess…
October 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pmWell, I see another thread has been successfully hijacked. So, back to the topic at hand – wingers attacking 12-year-old children and their families.
Looks like our old buddy Rush is in on the act, too.
“They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12 years old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.”
And he repeats the same distortions about this family that the rest of them do.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pmPathetic how low these people will bow and scrape for a small little piece of that profit pie.
Comment by willyloman — October 8, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
it’s good, though, because now 3/4s of America is recoiling in horror from the immoral and caustic hate pouring out of the maws of the Malkins and Limbaughs, not to mention the disdain Bush has openly shown for American children, voters and representatives. This is another nail in hte coffin of the GOP, and as they continue to defend the indefensible, we can keep on calling them on their greed and cowardice, and they have no place to run.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmHe is just redirecting the thread to escape arguing the ethics of attacking these children to save the profits of the insurance companies, Bluedahlia.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmgood point, LA. Bush is evil, and has vetoed a bill for purely profit motive, with no regard to what the country wants or what the children need. The only people defending this veto are lost souls, and antiAmerican scum.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Bush and his minions need that money to feed into the pockets of their corporate rich friends. We can’t be wasting the taxpayers money on frivolous things like health care for children. I so wish that we had a system where we, the taxpayers, have the ability to choose where our money goes. I have to say, though, that I was quite encouraged to see that 2/3 of the Republicans wanted this bill too. Perhaps they are on their way to see the light. And, there’s a good chance that they will vote to override Bush’s veto. So, let’s keep up the good thoughts.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmWow. I’d take credit for predicting Rush’s attack on that little kid…but it was too easy.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:42 pmStill waiting, Princess…
October 8th, 2007 at 6:43 pmSeems everyone has forgotten this is all about a 12-year boy, someone Jesus would have helped without question, no matter who he was, what he had done or what is believes may have been. Time to remove those rose-colored political glasses that everyone seems to wear today, and see this as a human being in need. Then the question is very simple indeed!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThis is about CHILDREN, and HEALTHCARE people(and non-people), and not about religion! Besides, I hope all you religious fanatics have plenty of mental health coverage, as YOU NEED IT!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI suggest you read The New Testament.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I suggest that you’ve never even glanced at it. Somebody should read it to you, and explain it. You don’t know what it says, or means. I studied it thoroughly enough to know that it is no more reliable than the old testament, and irrelevant to the discussion of Bush’s evil and immorality, which come from a massive character flaw and a poor upbringiing by lousy parents. The fact remains, contrary to your unproveable fairy-tales, that Bush has done a despicable thing, and only a small percentage of empty-headed jackasses like you will try to defend him.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:44 pmHow dare those Democrats for personalizing this travesty of justice?? The balls!
Now let’s put some faces on those coffins being flown back from Iraq so the people can personalize this horrendous, amoral war. You know – those coffins which Bush has never met; those same coffins that Bush doesn’t want publicized as they return….yeah, those coffins of our loved ones who died for Bush’s Oil.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:46 pmPrincess sez:
Bullsh!t.
The quotes speak for themselves:
Answer the question. Why would Chimpy, an allegedly devout born-again Christian that hears the voice of God, dare to flout God’s law by denying health insurance to poor children?
ANSWER THE QUESTION, COWARD.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:46 pmLefty: I’m sure the “mark of the beast” can be found somewhere on GWB. He’s the anti-christ in full flagrantia – in every respect.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:47 pmI may have missed it in the confusion, but did any of our resident trolls address the actual point of the thread? Do they have anything to say about the manner in which right wing bloggers have attempted to smear a 12 year old kid and his family for purely ideological purposes?
I admit, I allowed myself to get sidetracked by the “Jesus was a libertarian” horse puckey. I apologize.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:47 pmTripMaster: He can’t answer because he’s a moron. Bush has broken every spiritual law in the book and then some. This last straw “screwing our children” out of health care will tank the GOP once and for all.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI have news for you. Anyone who thinks they hear “The voice of God” is in serious need of mental healthcare, and that includes Bush!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pmJesus taught that the Kingdom of God is more important than the kingdoms of men.
Comment by Princeps
Is there an echo in here?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI don’t think so Gummitch. They can’t say much since their reichwing hatemongers have tried to now discredit a 12 year old. It looks like nothing is “off limits” to these pigs, is it? Going after an innocent 12 year old – they should be ashamed of themselves. Obviously, it’s a case of “desperate men taking desperate measures” when they have to attempt to degrade a 12 year old who wouldn’t be here were it not for SCHIP. These remaining Repukes are the scum of the earth.
They’ve clearly gone after our children with the pedophile ring in the GOP; now they’re attacking the credibility of our children. Sadly, this group of deranged and brainwashed dolts really don’t deserve to even be acknowledged.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pmPlease, all these Jesus/Bush loving trolls just can’t help themselves, they know not what they do. They are graduates of these ‘phoney’ bible colleges that churn them out like so much meat. Then off to the White House to take a ‘loyalty oath’ to the president, and then onto the computers to put the fear of God into all of us and change our minds about what is as plain as the nose on your face. Silly, silly little interns. Then, they get a paycheck for it. You know, paid by the same taxes as the 12 year old’s family and all the rest of us. These trolls are so learned that dear little Rory said on another thread:
‘Yes, if it is a just war (Iraq) then I think a million dead Iraqi’s and killed and wounded American soldiers are worth it and it is much worse that Bill Clinton got a blow job in the White House’! (I am paraphrasing here).
Is this the kind of hateful trash that they teach in bible school? This is the same kind of hatred they teach in the madrasses of the middle east. This is the mind-set of a ‘terrorist’! All this God-talk is kind of pathetic, really. Shouldn’t your spiritual life be kind of private and personal? Oh NO! Got to try to trash talk everyone into believing just like you, right? Go out and get a real job. It will make you like yourself better.
Jesus Christ was a liberal. His teachings were about love. His coming was about teaching love to all who followed him. Where in hell did you go so wrong? All I see coming from the right wing wurlitzer is HATE! It’s shameful and disgusting, and all to prop up some whiny, small-minded cruel little Napoleon too dim-witted to understand the idea of REAL CHRISTIANITY!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:52 pm#176 “hearing voices” is a psychiatric illness either dx’d as Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder with Psychoses. I’m putting my bets on the latter as the diagnosis for the Chimp.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:52 pmGod’s Laws have nothing to do with health insurance.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Neither does the human soul, my sorely deluded fiend.
So, why is it ok for you to benefit from social spending (in the way of community college education) but not for a 12yo in need of medical services?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:52 pmPrinceps sez:
Read this carefully, moron:
I didn’t write that, Princess. That’s directly from your magic book. Are you going to dispute it?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#180 Yes, Jesus was a rebel against the corrupt culture of the time. He preached a love message and is probably wretching when he sees what Bush and his group of psychopaths have done to this country – all in the name of religion. ewwwww…..
October 8th, 2007 at 6:54 pmNo, gummitch. It’s just a different version swift boating for them. Scoring points on the misfortunes of others by lying about them if they don’t toe the line.
Michael J. Fox – phony
Injuried vets – phony
12-yr-old kid hospitalized for 6 months – phony
I’m still looking for an expose from Malkin, et al on those snowflake babies that peppered the stage with W when he vetoed stem cell research. Hey, when you allow yourself to be used, you’re fair game.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAnd, another thing, you trolls need to take a couple of courses in logic. According to ‘thinking people’, you have none.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:55 pmOL!
God’s Laws have nothing to do with health insurance.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Wrong again! You are really severely lacking in bible knowledge.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThe Chimp knows absolutely nothing about spirituality and very little about religion per se, that’s clear from his actions. He and KKKKarl just figured out a way to totally screw the religious right by pretending to share their beliefs – what beliefs? Certainly they had no idea at all.
What I find almost unbelievable is how easily these radical christofascists were led by the ring in their noses right into Bush’s trap. He made total fools out of the entire sorry lot and they just stood back, mouths agape, and are still reeling from the screwjob.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pmI didn’t write that, Princess. That’s directly from your magic book. Are you going to dispute it?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 8, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Bet he ignores you, because he can’t answer.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pmRory, and the rest of the trolls have ignored the topic of this ThinkProgress thread. It is NOT Rory’s (or any other troll’s) thread.
Do you support Malkin’s attack (and the attack by all the others who call themselves “conservative”) on this twelve year-old and his family or not?
It’s an EASY question, and your answer will reveal your heart, better than your claims to know what is in God’s heart.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThe 12yo received and is receiving needed medical services. I never said that he shouldn’t.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Nor did you call out the brazen cowards who are now stalking his family. Your cowardice is very convenient.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pmPrincess sez:
Perhaps you should clarify your position then, Princess.
Do God’s laws have anything to do with the human soul?
Yes or no?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pmWHY DOES THIS FREAK FROST GET TO BE A USELESS LAYABOUT WHO IGNORES THE NEEDS OF HIS FAMILY, THEN TROTS OUT HIS KID TO TRY TO SCREW OVER EVERYONE ELSE WHO DOESN’T HAVE THE LUXURY EXCEPT TO TAKE A WRETCHED JOB JUST TO GET HEALTH CARE BENEFITS SO MY FAMILY DOESN’T HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT THIS SURRILOUS PIG DID. HOW DARE HE DEMAND THAT HE HAS FIRST DIBS ON MY PITIFUL PAYCHECK WHEN HE IS SENDING HIS USELESS PIGLETS TO A $20,000 PER YEAR PRIVATE SCHOOL. WHO IN THE HELL PAYS 20,000 PER KID PER YEAR FOR FRICKIN’ SCHOOL? IF YOU MORONS WANT TO TURN OVER YOUR HARD EARNED CASH TO THIS HOG, GO FOR IT. BUT LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY OUT OF THIS PONZI SCHEME.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmMy letter to my Representative, Rodney Frelinghuysen. Given his record of following the Bush lead, I expect no changes:
***
I realize that for some reason you followed the President’s lead and voted NO on the recent bill regarding SCHIP. That vote is just another indicium of your inability to see that the current occupant of the White House is an incompetent moron bent solely on benefitting the wealthy, not ordinary Americans. But, reasonable minds may disagree.
Surely, however, one educated to Hobart’s high standards will condemn the lies being spread about Graeme Frost, an SCHIP benefitiary. Some people who are allied to the President have suggested that the Frost family’s situation shows that they were taking unfair advantage of the SCHIP program, yet a cursory examination of the facts of the Frost family’s situation shows that they are the type of family for which this program is designed.
I await your public condemnation of the lies spread by the President’s allies…and therefore your allies…about this case. I would not want to think that my representative, a man whose hand I have shaken and whose college inculcates values of intellectual honesty, would countenance such behavior.
Reasonable minds may, of course, disagree. Lies, however, are never reasonable.
I’m sure you agree, and will make your agreement public.
Perhaps even you will reconsider your vote, considering the tactic your allies are stooping to.
William Cooper
October 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI never said that it did.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Yet, you kept bringing it up and even insisted that it was more important than the body.
Is your attention span that short?
The 12yo received and is receiving needed medical services. I never said that he shouldn’t.
Yet you opened fire by saying CHIP shouldn’t be “fixed”, and are perfectly ok with Malkin’s smear of the boy and his family.
What side of the argument are on? Do you actually have a point -other than be annoying, and serve as a rhetorical punching bag that it?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:02 pmSome claim to be “faithful” and believe the Kingdom of God may rest with Supreme Courts and Presidents and their rulings will thwart the “un-godly”. They’ll say, “Faith Shall Rule”.
Some claim to be “objective reasonous” and believe the Kingdom of Reason rests with Supreme Courts and Presidents and they’ll thwart the “lunatics”. They’ll say,” Reason Shall Rule.”
Both will announce their claims to rule our world at their Conventions.
When both prepare their announcement they will sit in quiet desperation and “hope”.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWhat gives us Hope, anyway?
Capitalism is their religion and Friedman is their only God!
here, read this http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/the-miracle-of-america/
and please don’t let Cory and the Princess redirect this and every other thread on this site with this religious obfuscation. Ignore these people, they are no more christians than I am. they worship at the house of Wall Street, they have said as much.
these right wing talking heads are doing what we would expect…they are attacking the children so the administration doesn’t have to.
They are sicken.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:04 pmPrincess sez:
You’re remarkably obtuse, Princess. I don’t know whether that quality is natural or acquired, but it doesn’t really matter, either way.
I’ll spell it all out for you, so even you won’t be abole to claim you don’t understand.
Chimpy vetoed the SCHIP bill, which provides health care to poor children.
As a direct result of that, poor children will now suffer more greatly…some will die.
It was within Chimpy’s power to mitigate this suffering…to lessen it in some, and eliminate it in others. It was within his power to save the lives of some of these children.
Instead, Chimpy chose the veto, dooming them to suffering and death.
Let’s review those Bible passages:
Chimpy is clearly acting against the will of God in this instance.
What say you?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:06 pmThose statements are not mutually exclusive.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Actually they are. They’re opposite sides of the same window. My question to you is which Jesus did you quote, the one who views everyone as his friend unless he’s a sworn enemy, or the one who views everyone as his enemy unless he’s a sworn friend?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:07 pmThe sad commentary on this issue is this – Dems have wheeled victims before the camera so often to push their agenda, that people aren’t responding anymore, even when they should.
As Charles Krautheimer said: “When socialist nations want to nationalize an industry, they wake up in the morning, and do it. When a socialist in a democratic nation wants to nationalize an industry, they say, “Oh, but for the children.”.”
October 8th, 2007 at 7:08 pmPrinceps:
Do you support Malkin’s attack (and the attack by all the others who call themselves “conservativeâ€) on this twelve year-old and his family or not?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by lookatthebigbrainonme — October 8, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
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October 8th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWow.
Perhaps you should read the comments that I was referring to
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Perhaps you should read the comment I was referring to (which was your comment, by the way).
Are you getting Alzheimer’s already?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:12 pmI’M NOT A BIBLE SCHOLAR, BUT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING IN IT THAT SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT BE A LAZY PIECE OF CRAP WHO IGNORES YOUR OWN CHILDREN’S NEEDS. GET A FREEKIN’ JOB WITH BENEFITS LIKE MOST EVERYONE ELSE WITH A WIFE AND KIDS AND STOP WITH THE GUILT TRIP OF YOUR POOR KIDS WITH NO HEALTH CARE. QUIT WITH THE “UNCLE SUCKER NEEDS TO PICK UP THE TAB” ROUTINE. YOU THINK THE CIA LISTENING IN ON YOUR CELL PHONE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BEST AIRPORTS TO TAP DANCE IN THE MEN’S ROOM IS AN AFFRONT TO YOUR LIBERTY. TAKING MY WAGES AND TURNING THEM OVER TO A MIDDLE CLASS, IRRESPONSIBLE PIG WHO IS VOID OF ALL CONCERN FOR HIS FAMILY’S WELFARE IS AN AFFRONT TO ME AND EVERY OTHER RESPONSIBLE PARENTS’ LIBERTY.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:13 pmPrincess sez:
This previous quote would seem to contradict that assertion:
Princess sez:
Gregor Samsa sez:
Princess sez:
…so, you claim that you’ve been saying “the entire time” that God’s laws have something to do with the human soul, but just back then, you claimed that you “never said” that God’s laws have something to do with the human soul?
BUSTED.
Thanks for playing, Princess. On your way out, pick up your complimentary copy of the Think Progress home game.
Oh, and BTW, every time you try to win an argument by slinging the Bible around, Jesus puts a nickel in a tube sock. When you die, he’s going to kick your ass with that sock full of nickels. ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 7:14 pmMr. P, I realise it must be hard to remember all of your and your sockpuppets’ exchanges with other posters, but still….
October 8th, 2007 at 7:14 pmThe loonatives hate kids, they hate our troops, they hate 70% of America.
They however love biased and bigoted chickenhawk pundits with drug problems.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:16 pmPrincess sez:
Assuming that you actually know what “begging the question” means which I doubt, explain how I’m guilty of that in this instance.
I’ll take a lack of explanation as proof that you don’t know what “begging the question” actually means.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:16 pmComment by lookatthebigbrainonme — October 8, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
All caps = tiny mind
October 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by CoulterIsamAnn — October 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Nice catches, CIAM.
Isn’t the Bible wonderful? ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThis would include Mrs Clinton, Obama and at least half the dems in the country.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Clinton did it too. So did everyone else.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI’ve already said that you are begging the question.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
And you are IGNORING mine! Comment by hterrya — October 8, 2007 @ 7:11 pm (# 202)
October 8th, 2007 at 7:18 pmWell, perhaps you shouldn’t have said this.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Can you follow a conversation?
I am the one who said the soul was irrelevant, after you brought it up!
ssshheeesshhh…
October 8th, 2007 at 7:19 pmAnother one of your imposters got caught and you cant take the heat. Hats off to Malkin and Free republic for doing their homework.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Typical Republican. Ignore the evidence, repeat the lie, hope that something will stick. I guess since that strategy works on morons like you, you assume everyone will fall for it.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:19 pmIt is kinda funny that the cons trolling on this thread talk about the laws of God being most important. Not only do they pick and choose which ones they want but they sure as hell can’t conflict with loyalty to the Party. Just like good little totalitarians.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:20 pmAnother one of your imposters got caught and you cant take the heat. Hats off to Malkin and Free republic for doing their homework.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
What homework would that be? Surely you don’t condone distortion of facts, or harassing and stalking this family?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by dr7854 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
This would include Mrs Clinton, Obama and at least half the dems in the country.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Really? Links proving any of that, please?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:20 pmPrincess sez:
*Sigh*…do I have to repost the entire exchange, Princess?
Here it is, with links. Follow them yourself if you think I’m making this up.
Princess sez:
Gregor Samsa sez:
Princess sez:
Again, BUSTED.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:21 pmbut that God’s Laws do not have something to do with health insurance.
Nice try.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
god’s laws give good reason for health insurance, you biblically ignorant twit.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:21 pmPrincess sez:
And was was that conclusion?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:22 pmGET A FREEKIN’ JOB WITH BENEFITS LIKE MOST EVERYONE ELSE WITH A WIFE AND KIDS AND STOP WITH THE GUILT TRIP OF YOUR POOR KIDS WITH NO HEALTH CARE. -some loonative
Why wasn’t the reason we had to invade Iraq because of those poor oppressed people suffering in Iraq?
We are spending billions on a people, that Bush, and the loonatives sya hate us. This kid, Frost, is an American and he is a member of ourc society. We give, as Americans, alot of money to other nations. The Republicans have spent money on bridges to nowhere and this is how they reply to their unfiscal conservatism by attacking a 12 year old?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAnother one of your imposters got caught and you cant take the heat. Hats off to Malkin and Free republic for doing their homework.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Imposter? You obviously are listening to right-wing liars instead of doing YOUR homework, or you’d know the real story, and the reason this law should be expanded.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:23 pm“What homework would that be? Surely you don’t condone distortion of facts, or harassing and stalking this family?”
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
OF COURSE, the troll condones distortion of the facts and harrassing and stalking the Frost family. He not only condones it; he APPLAUDS it!
October 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThey are not poor!! Your the ones ignoring the facts. Get a grip.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
They qualify for SCHIP as deemed by the state of Maryland. Maybe you should ask the state of Maryland about it’s eligibility for SCHIP and stop supporting those who are harassing the Frost family.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmComment by Dave C — October 8, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
They are not poor!! Your the ones ignoring the facts. Get a grip.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
But they are in need. how poor do they have to be? You’d rather the kid dies than help out? You’re very poor, in spirit, goodness and christianity. Very poor indeed.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThey are not poor!! Your the ones ignoring the facts. Get a grip.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007
Look, they filled out all the forms and jumped thru loops of red tape, the state of Maryland approved them. I wonder how old you are Vendetta or if you have every had kids and what stuff costs nowadays.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pmHow can loyal Bushies use the Bible to defend their position while ignoring the sixth commandment? It seems like the Bible is only applicable when it’s convenient but safe to ignore when it’s not. Maybe the Bible has no place in these discussions. Duh.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI never said that God’s Laws had to do with health insurance, nor did I say that the human soul had to do with health insurance.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007
Thats patently false, the loonatives are constantly saying that their is no seperation between church and state. The hypocrisy is glaring.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pmCherry-picking the bible is a good rightwing exercise. if they weren’t so good at it, they would have all killed themselves years ago, rather than live with their inhuman shame.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pmYou wingers are forgetting that this kid spent nearly a half year in the hospital. His sister has permanent brain injuries. You really think a family making $45,000 a year can afford those hospital bills?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWhat the hell is wrong with these people?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmPrincess sez:
Unfortunately for you, we’re not talking about either of those pairings. We’re talking about you saying that God’s laws had something to do with human souls. In one post, you claimed you “never did” say that, and then, in another post, you claimed that that’s what you’ve been saying “all along”. You can’t have it both ways, Princes. One of the statements is clearly a lie.
Again, BUSTED.
Nice try, but you’re not wriggling off this hook.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmhey obviously were heartless or they would have provided health care for their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
They obviously did provide healthcare for their kids. You’re just upset that they didn’t go totally broke trying to pay for it.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmComment by Dave C — October 8, 2007
Jason Hendlers answer to that was he could drop his religion whenever it suited his position, which was all the time.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:29 pmnor did I say that the human soul had to do with health insurance.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Of course you didn’t. You merely tried to change the subject to salvation, in a thread about healing the body.
Are you usually this dense, Mr. P, or are you making a special effort for us today?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:29 pmRory, Jesus sure as hell would not want the money grubbing insurance companies casting out poor children to suffer or die without care. Shove your ilinformed Jeezus up your stupid lame brain.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThey obviously were heartless or they would have provided health care for their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
So your position is, punish the children for what you consider to be irresponsible parenting. Is that about right?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:29 pmAnd that Malkin is a real b*tch.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pmStill waiting for an answer to post #240, Princess.
Remember, failure to answer is an admission that you don’t know what the term “begging the question” mens.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pm*ERRATA*
‘mens’ should be ‘means’ in my prior post.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI’m really shocked that Michelle Malkin has sicced her goons on a 12 year old boy suffering the effects of a car accident.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pmMalkin and her Swiftboaters are pond scum.
So your position is, punish the children for what you consider to be irresponsible parenting. Is that about right?
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Not merely punish, Candyce, but kill them with neglect, and make them suffer as well. that’s Vendetta’s position.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pmYou KNOW Hill’reh is confident of winning when she starts pulling together the old cronies from Bubba Clinton’s administration. Gee, I thought you Progressives had something new to offer, but instead, you just retreaded the old.
Sadly, you just are serious enough to walk the walk, and run your own candidate in the general election. The Clintonista’s KNEW they could get you to fight the fights, so that they could slip by unnoticed, and snatch away the nomination, and they KNEW you would vote for them as they STATE UNEQUIVICALLY that they WILL NOT pull out of Iraq, and they WILL NOT support gay marriage. They should call you the Regressives.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pmThey obviously were heartless or they would have provided health care for their kids. Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007
Seems to me they did provide for their kids thru a government program specifically designed for such cases. The people that are heartless are the loonatives who want to spend billions, if not trillions, to first blow up, then rebuild their country because they ‘cared’ so much for them.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pmdid i read this correctly, that michelle malkin actually visited the frost family and his place of business?
if that is so it is so appallingly vulgar that i would not condemn anyone to set their dogs upon her.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:31 pmPrincess sez:
OK, it’s official. You don’t know what “begging the question” means.
Here again is the special idiot-proof version of the argument I wrote out for your benefit:
Chimpy vetoed the SCHIP bill, which provides health care to poor children.
As a direct result of that, poor children will now suffer more greatly…some will die.
It was within Chimpy’s power to mitigate this suffering…to lessen it in some, and eliminate it in others. It was within his power to save the lives of some of these children.
Instead, Chimpy chose the veto, dooming them to suffering and death.
Let’s review those Bible passages:
Mt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Mr 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Chimpy is clearly acting against the will of God in this instance.
Show where this argument is “begging the question”.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:33 pmYeah, kuvasz. She’s sleuthing, hot on the trail of a 12-year-old kid. Ain’t she brave?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:33 pmYa, I know how much kids cost first hand. and you bet you azz health care is a top financial priority. Before all else cept the roof over our heads. And Id downsize before Id let them go without. To do otherwise is foolish.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
so you’d refuse a government program to help your very ill kids, and move them into your car? this is what you call personal responsibility?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:34 pmSo your position is, punish the children for what you consider to be irresponsible parenting. Is that about right?
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Yes, that’s his position regarding health care, as well as abortion, minimum wage, education, etc., etc., etc..
October 8th, 2007 at 7:34 pmAlready answered, Mr. Monkey.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
just more avoidance, princess.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:35 pmYa, I know how much kids cost first hand. and you bet you azz health care is a top financial priority. Before all else cept the roof over our heads. And Id downsize before Id let them go without. To do otherwise is foolish.
Comment by Vendetta
These people have a 55,000 dollar home, which is really not much. The parents cared enough to enroll their kids in this program. Its not like they stuck the emergency room and doctors with a bill and refused to pay it.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:36 pmWell, Princeps, I am going to keep posting this until you answer:
Do you support Malkin’s attack (and the attack by all the others who call themselves “conservativeâ€) on this twelve year-old and his family or not?
It’s an EASY question, and your answer will reveal your heart, better than your claims to know what is in God’s heart.
Comment by hterrya — October 8, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Answer time, troll!
October 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pmPrincess sez:
This is getting tiresome, Princess. Since it’s already obvious to everyone else that you made two mutually contradictory statements, and since you’ll go to your grave before you admit it, I see no point in continuing on this front. My work was done back in post #236.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThey did not “provide†they sat back and leached off the public teet like the slimebag leeches they are.
They aren’t living in government housing and from what I can tell they are not getting food stamps or other assistance.
And speaking of leeching of the public teet I notice the loonatives are not up in arms over the bridges to nowhere or any of the other scandals.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:39 pmPrincess sez:
That link does not reference the argument cited in post #277.
Answer the question.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:39 pmThey did not “provide†they sat back and leached off the public teet like the slimebag leeches they are. Shame on them some actually poor kid is getting crapy gov care cause of people like them.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Actually, millions of poor kids are getting no care because of “people” like you, just barely human pigs with no consideration for the realities of life in a large society. They applied for a program that was freely offered, and they were approved. they work hard, and they are screwed most days by the corporate greed that has turned this country into the world’s #1 terrorist nation. they made the right choice, and saved their son. You would rather see the kid die than allow them to accept help that was freely offered. You are very sick; incurable, I’d say, and a useless excuse for an American. fortunately, 3/4 of America disagrees with your greed and hatefulness. suck on it.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:39 pmPrincess sez:
That conclusion is completely valid, given the available evidence.
Stop stalling and answer the question.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:41 pmRepublicans are for private schools. But of course, the vouchers only pay for 1/3 the cost received by parents. But no worries for the richer. So, this eliminates the poor from their private school.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:41 pmStands to reason Repubs would not want to spend money on healthcare for the poor; it means less money for their private schools. Eliminates the poor from the entire deal. If the children die early then America has more money for the richer kids.
This is another conclusion of yours that you have not sufficiently proved.
It turns out your whole argument needs some tidying up.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
Oh, it’s sufficiently proved by the infant mortality rate, the number of dead attributable to insurance company’s neglect, and many other indicators. the country’s morals need tidying up far more than my argument, which is backed up by facts.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:42 pmThey did not “provide†they sat back and leached off the public teet like the slimebag leeches they are. Shame on them some actually poor kid is getting crapy gov care cause of people like them.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
No. They got healthcare for their children.
The only reason reason why the far right opposes SCHIP is that this successful governmental program impedes their corporatist agenda.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pmthey have a 3000 sq ft half million dollar home. Downsizing to a 1000 sq foot could put a lot of money in their pocket.
Comment by Vendetta
3000 square feet is not a big home, a 1000ft is a small apartment which would not be suitable for four people. A two bedroom apartment where I live rents for over 1200 a month while a rent house down the street, 3 bedrooms, yard, garage, park rents for 1300 a month.
The people paid 50,000 for the house 16 years ago, and if it did go up in values its because they took care of it.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pmthey have a 3000 sq ft half million dollar home. Downsizing to a 1000 sq foot could put a lot of money in their pocket.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
But then you wouldn’t have the opportunity to waste more resources and make up for your personal lacks with material excess. Yeah, screw the kids, you have to show off for the neighbors.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pmSo this family applies for funding under this program, they meet the requirements & now they are criticized for receiving aid? How revealing. Not only are loyal Bushies against the increase in funding for SCHIP, they would like it’s current levels reduced.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pmStill waiting, Princess…
October 8th, 2007 at 7:44 pmyou cant win unless you make crap up. I did not say he should die nor do I think so. But his parent were obviously to greedy and tight to spend the cash insuring their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Unlike you, I’m not interested in “winning”, that’s your childish little game. I’m interested in children being taken care of, like Jesus was. You’re interested in keeping every little penny you rip off your employers for, like Republicans. You win nothing except the scorn of real humans with that attitude, jackass.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:46 pmBut his parent were obviously to greedy and tight to spend the cash insuring their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Hello? They did get insurance for their children.
It’s called the SCHIP.
That is precisely the topic of the thread.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:47 pmyou cant win unless you make crap up. I did not say he should die nor do I think so. But his parent were obviously to greedy and tight to spend the cash insuring their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
The government offered a program which does far more than most private health insurance companies and the family took advantage of it. The family is looking out for the well being of their kids by choosing SCHIP.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:48 pm#
Downsizing to a 1000 sq foot could put a lot of money in their pocket.
Comment by Vendetta
Im sure the parents would like to have a home thats paid for when they retire. Sheesh, you cant force the people to sell their retirement investment to please your hateful greedy outlook on a 12 year old.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pmBut his parent were obviously to greedy and tight to spend the cash insuring their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Hello? They did get insurance for their children.
It’s called the SCHIP.
That is precisely the topic of the thread.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
How much do you spend insuring your family, vendetta? How much do you write a check for each month? Consider this: if the morons in charge, R or D, would spend as much on national insurance as they do on war, graft, corruption and useless pork, neither you nor any other citizen would need to pay a dime to any insurance company for health care that they don’t get without a fight, ever again. Your taxes would decrease, your nation would be healthier, and the USA would be looked at with respect around the world. Your arguments are ideological, based on some lunacy you subscribe to, rather than the simple facts available.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:52 pmuh, a family of 6 living in a 1000 sq ft apartment. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Of course, it probably doesn’t matter to the geniuses here that the 19-yr-old mortgage on their $55,000 home is probably half what they’d pay for an apartment or a mortgage on a new place.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:53 pmPrincess sez:
Can’t actually debate me, can you, Princess?
October 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmGraeme Frost says:
If it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
Malkin stalks the family and the trolls in here calls his father names (I’ve reported their troll abuse and urge all other progressive posters to do the same!).
Frosts vs. “conservatives” and a crooked, corrupt president
The Frosts (ESPECIALLY Graeme) WIN!
October 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmNo wonder no one takes them seriously!
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Says the 25%er to the other 25%er!
Hehehehehehehe! Too f*cking funny, you are a clown, P.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmNo wonder no one takes them seriously!
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Says the twit who routinely uses sockpuppets to cheer himself on, in order to feel someone takes him seriously…
October 8th, 2007 at 7:55 pmRight now there are only 15 evil, greedy repuke representatives preventing the Chimp’s veto from being overridden. It may well be done, and he will once again look like the fratboy, deserting cheerleader he really is.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWhat “attack†are talking about?
(By the way, I’ve already asked you to clarify your question, if you have and I have not seen it yet, then I apologize.)
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
What attack? Are you actually on this thread, or on meth? Coward Malkin attacked a 12-year-old biy for asking for help for all the children in America.
And you’re always asking somebody to clarify their already perfectly-clear questions. Nice try.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmNot if you continue to be intellectually dishonest.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Says the twit who is at the very apex of intellectual dishonesty.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmTo: Princeps the TROLL: As promised I am going to keep posting this until you answer:
Do you support Malkin’s attack (and the attack by all the others who call themselves “conservativeâ€) on this twelve year-old and his family or not?
It’s an EASY question, and your answer will reveal your heart, better than your claims to know what is in God’s heart.
Comment by hterrya — October 8, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Answer time, troll!
Comment by hterrya — October 8, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
ANSWER TIME, TROLL!
October 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmDo you know what crap the SCHIP is?
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
You start by attacking the family for using this insurance. When that fails you change courses & start attacking the insurance. Surely if it was as bad as you say (and I’m sure you have personal experience) then the family wouldn’t support it publicly.
Do you know what crap your posts are?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:01 pmDo you know what crap the SCHIP is?
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
So why do you care whether the Frosts get it or not?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:02 pmPrincess sez:
Oh, I’m “intellectually dishonest”! That’s a laugh.
Here’s the argument YET AGAIN:
Chimpy vetoed the SCHIP bill, which provides health care to poor children.
As a direct result of that, poor children will now suffer more greatly…some will die.
It was within Chimpy’s power to mitigate this suffering…to lessen it in some, and eliminate it in others. It was within his power to save the lives of some of these children.
Instead, Chimpy chose the veto, dooming them to suffering and death.
Let’s review those Bible passages:
Chimpy is clearly acting against the will of God in this instance.
Prove this argument is flawed, or admit that it is sound.
I’m going to hit you with this argument each and every time I see you here from now on until you either prove it to be flawed or admit that it is sound. You’d be well advised to get it out of the way now, before everyone knows what a joke you are.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:03 pmThe parents took advantage of a loophole that does not allow assets to be included. Additionally they are above the poverty level.
These scum represent everything the right claims will happen and is happenning. You really shot yourselves in the foot with this choice.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
You’re just a liar, now, speaking of scum. Everything the right claims will happen includes saving this kid’s life. How awful! How disgusting! Saving a kid’s life, that doesn’t fit the fascist agenda the right wants! it’s more important that the kid dies, so we can move fascism forward another step!
You’re in the wrong country, bud. The blend of socialism and capitalism that made America the world’s powerhouse and moral leader after WW2 is making a return, whether you like it or not. Perhaps you should look at real estate in North Korea.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:03 pmAnother one of your imposters got caught and you cant take the heat. Hats off to Malkin and Free republic for doing their homework.
Comment by Vendetta
Right Wing Loon the black hearted Vendetta who is very lonely and thus feels the need for “vendettas” believes what MM said even though her words have been proven to be false. Do you find comfort hanging with other black hearted individuals Vendetta? Because that’s probably the only validation you can get.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:04 pmYou ‘tards, and your selfish greed, shoot yourself in the foot every time you deny families like this healthcare, when you fund hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq! You’re a loser, and everyone BUT YOU knows it!
Comment by CoulterIsamAnn
Kudos!
October 8th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWhat “attack†are talking about?
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
The attack described in the topic of this thread which you have been unsuccessfully attempting to derail.
You have stayed off topic the entire time, and I have reported your off-topic abuse EVERY TIME you post!
October 8th, 2007 at 8:07 pmDid Malkin physically strike someone?
If so, I would not approve of that.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Yeah, but you immoral cowards were all so upset that Petraeus had an actual advertisement taken out against him, the poor, poor, widdle defenseless general!
Hypocrisy is your strongest trait, rightard. And you are damn consistent in it.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:07 pmDo you know what crap the SCHIP is? Good luck finding good DRs who actually take it. It is not “good†insurance. But its better than nothing. The poor have very low quality health care because MOST drs dont take the ins. – Vendetta
That’s simply not true. Back it up.
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2007/october3/med-schip-100307.html
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/oct/03/new-mexico-doctors-representatives-rally-bush-veto/
http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20070809/09aug20071425.html
What you got, Vendetta?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:08 pmI value freedom more than health insurance. Thats the American way. You want socialized medicine Europe is importing people like its going out of style.
Comment by Vendetta
Our freedom has nothing to do with the billions of our taxpayer dollars that are going down the black hole that is Iraq. I am so happy that 70% of the people in this country believe that and that a vast majority would rather have our tax dollars going to children without health insurance. Your numbers are shrinking and soon there will be very few of you black-hearted souls left on this earth.
I can hardly wait until January 2009. That is when your head is going to explode. I’d pay good money to see it happen.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI value freedom more than health insurance. Thats the American way. You want socialized medicine Europe is importing people like its going out of style.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
And, in the richest nation in world history, you have neither. Good job, fascist. Socialized medicine is exactly what I want, and what I deserve, along with freedom, both of which we can easily afford, and both of which your side has attempted to destroy. North Korea for you. You don’t deserve freedom.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI can hardly wait until January 2009. That is when your head is going to explode. I’d pay good money to see it happen.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 8, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
That’s the only solace I have after reading some of these comments. Marginalize the wingnuttery.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDo you know what crap the SCHIP is? Good luck finding good DRs who actually take it. It is not “good†insurance. But its better than nothing. The poor have very low quality health care because MOST drs dont take the ins.
If it were such a crappy program, why are some families dropping their private health insurance for it?
The money should be provided to allow the POOR to have some dignity not as a backdoor way to push the socialist agenda.
Everyone should have access to high quality healthcare, not just the wealthy (the republican base).
The parents took advantage of a loophole that does not allow assets to be included. Additionally they are above the poverty level.
It wasn’t a loophole; it was intentionally done that way.
These scum represent everything the right claims will happen and is happenning. You really shot yourselves in the foot with this choice.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
What, a successful government program?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:11 pmPrincess sez:
Compare mortality rates of children without health insurance to mortality rates of children with health insurance. The discrepancy proves that statement quite adequately.
Also, your questioning of the statement that children will suffer as a result of the absence of this program is easily disproved on a priori grounds, since if the children would suffer no less, there would be no need for the program in the first place.
Try again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI value freedom more than health insurance. Thats the American way. You want socialized medicine Europe is importing people like its going out of style.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Really? I wonder why people want to live there. Can’t be because of the socialized medicine because idjits like you keep telling us how horrible it is.
Hoist on your own petard.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmYou don’t know if poor children will suffer more greatly at all, and even if they do, you can’t say that it is a direct result of the veto.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Why not?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI value freedom more than health insurance.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Freedom has nothing to do with providing health care to those who need it, at an affordable price.
It does have to do, however, with the federal government intruding in our lives and our phone conversations without oversight, the same scheme your Dear (mis)Leader imposed on the US, and the one you surely support.
Europe is importing people like its going out of style.
And I suppose there is no immigration to the US….
October 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmThis is an unsound conclusion.
You don’t know if poor children will suffer more greatly at all, and even if they do, you can’t say that it is a direct result of the veto.
Tidy up your argument, Mr. Monkey.
Comment by Princeps
No Mr. Pee, your conclusion is unsound. Because he vetoed this bill, not only will there be no health care for more children, many children who now have health insurance will lose it. So, they aren’t going to suffer? And of course it will be a direct result of the veto. What else is it a result of? I’m surprised you haven’t said that these children should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job to pay for their own health insurance.
God I wish there was some way to smite all you black-hearted souls. I know you are all going to hell eventually, I just wish that it would be sooner rather than later.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:13 pmBut I wouldn’t say that the family has been “attacked†by Malkin.
(I don’t know about all the other bloggers so I can’t make any sweeping assertions.)
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
I would say she’s a real b*tch for doing something like that.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI find comfort in being FREE in thought and body and I will fight to my dying day your to keep the likes of you from ruining the USA by enslaving our people through your fascistic socialism.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
What? You finally enlisted?! Congratulations. You should have told us that before, oh brave warrior. When do you ship off to Iraq to fight the muslimsocialisticfascistcommunistatheists?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI find comfort in being FREE in thought and body and I will fight to my dying day your to keep the likes of you from ruining the USA by enslaving our people through your fascistic socialism.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
But you won’t fight to save your country from islamofascism, will you? Nor will you fight the changes coming at you in a big way, starting next year. Fascist socialism? Make up something at least parlty believable, you idiot. Or, define it correctly: fascist socialism is exactly what Cheney and Bush are trying to bring about right now; fascism by taking our freedoms, socialism for the rich and corporations. That’s your fascist socialism. My socialism is capitalist socialism, which has already proven to be the best way to do things in America, as it made us what we were before you poor blathering chickenhawks got on your knees to blow a deserter and a draft-dodger.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pmJesus didn’t like hypocrites.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Jesus must hate you then.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pm“…fascistic socialism.”
Comment by Vendetta —
LOL
cystic vengosis
October 8th, 2007 at 8:16 pm“…fascistic socialism.â€
Bluish orange.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:17 pmI will fight to my dying day your to keep the likes of you from ruining the USA by enslaving our people through your fascistic socialism.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
But you hide behind your keyboard and refuse to help fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pmAlso, your questioning of the statement that children will suffer as a result of the absence of this program is easily disproved on a priori grounds,[...]
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 8, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
No need for a priori arguments. I found this in the wikipedia:
In 2007, researchers from Brigham Young University and Arizona State found that children who drop out of SCHIP cost states more money because they shift away from routine care to more frequent emergency care situations.
State Children’s Health Insurance Program
Yes, they will suffer more…
October 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pmYeah, those “liberals” at the BYU…
October 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pmWhat the hell is it with the trolls in here? Michelle Malkin is caught stalking a family, who’s only crime was supporting S-Chip publically. Malkin lies about the family, and her followers lack the intelligence to think for themselves. They come here and make fools of themselves.
Tell your mommie, Michelle Malkin, that the folks at TP are onto her. She’s going to go down over this tactic. How foolish.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pmJesus didn’t like hypocrites.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Hypocrisy is all the GOP has left. They are dead meat in the eyes of all sensible people which I believe would include Jesus if he were around to give a crap.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI also believe that our poor children should recieve HC and even agrued here that it should be better than it is. So the only thing I object to is the gov providing HC to families who are less than poor.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
many, many families have become poor because of the healthcare disaster in the USA. Healthcare should be provided to all USA residents, without the profit motive. that’s the Christian way.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI find comfort in being FREE in thought and body and I will fight to my dying day your to keep the likes of you from ruining the USA by enslaving our people through your fascistic socialism.
Comment by Vendetta
Sorry Black Heart Right Wing Loon Vendetta. You got the socialism part right. The fascism part belongs to you and your ilk. I will fight until my dying days to keep you and yours from turning our country into a fascist state. I will fight to my dying days to see that you don’t gut our constitution and our civil liberties. And I will fight until my dying days to wrench control of this country away from the corporate masters and put it back into the hands of “we the people”.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:20 pmtrollistic ignorancism
October 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSo the only thing I object to is the gov providing HC to families who are less than poor.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Well, it looks like we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Tidy up your argument, Mr. Monkey, then run it by me.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
May I refer you to my post above.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pmPrincess sez:
I already demonstrated how this objection is invalid up in post #369, Princess.
As you would say, “Asked and answered”.
Try again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pm“Capitalist socialism� You have no clue what you are talking about.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Well, I know exactly what I’m talking about; it’s you having the trouble understanding. It’s actually completely self-explanatory, and has been proven to be the best system yet devised in human history.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pmWhat a joke. Jesus was not Robbin Hood.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Actually, he was. You wingnuts do have trouble with any two simultaneous thoughts.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmBut I wouldn’t say that the family has been “attacked†by Malkin.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
I see. So now, post your home address so we can come by and check to see if any of your many posts on TP threads have been wholly truthful.
If you don’t post your address, it shows that you KNOW what Malkin is doing is an attack, which you wouldn’t want to happen to you. And, that would reveal you to be a hypocrite. And you know what Jesus said about hypocrites.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmWhat a joke. Jesus was not Robbin Hood.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Jesus was not a CEO of an insurance corporation.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:24 pmTo state the obvious: universal health care will inevitably come to the US. It will happen when corporate interests who want it — like automakers — outweigh corporate interests who oppose it — like for-profit health insurers.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThats not even Robbin Hood. The left is robbin the hood by giving the money intended for the poor to the rich. UNBELIEVABLE.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Short on facts, there, bub. Now you’re claiming the kid’s family is rich? You have no shame at all, do you?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:25 pmThats not even Robbin Hood. The left is robbin the hood by giving the money intended for the poor to the rich. UNBELIEVABLE.
Comment by Vendetta
You are so full of shit it must come out your mouth every time you open it. The SCHIP program is not for the rich. You really do drink the kool aid don’t you. If you spent a little more time looking at news sources other than Faux Noise, you would have found out that all those talking points about rich people getting this insurance are a bunch of bull.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmhat is fascism. Moron.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Actually, it isn’t. It was not forced on people, it was voted in. It did not place power in the corporations’ hands, but in the people’s. It was the opposite of fascism, in fact, as the state was a minimal player. You are truly ignorant of history, economics and everything else. North Korea awaits, you’ll fit right in.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmit doesn’t help Mr. Monkey’s argument.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Oh, but it does.
Children without SCHIP end up in emergency care situations.
You know, emergency, as in sudden unforeseen crisis.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmwow. I can’t believe some of you are actually arguing with religious fanatics like princeps.
I’m happily atheist, and the more I read from people like him, the more I’m glad that people just like him drove me away from Christianity, and eventually all religion, when I was in my teens. I’ve never looked back.
A great many people who profess to be “Christians” will find any justification in their “Holy Book” for whatever position they desire to take. You notice that they don’t follow the prohibitions against mixing fibers in their clothing or eating shellfish, or quote the bits about a bat being a kind of bird. (Either the bible is literally true, or it’s not. Can’t have it both ways.)
For these people, Jesus was a Libertarian, if not a Republican. Fortunately, since neither Satan nor God exist, they’re bound for a rude non-awakening.
(And by the way, I’m not anti-Christian. Most of my family are Christians … thankfully, the kind who think following Jesus’s actual teachings are more important than attacking gays and worrying more about fetuses than actual born children.)
October 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmThat is fascism. Moron.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Fascism is what’s taking place right now under the Bush regime.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmMatthew 21:1 says “And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.”
October 8th, 2007 at 8:28 pmread your post, as it stands though, it doesn’t help Mr. Monkey’s argument.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Monkey’s argument needs no help. Yours, on the other hand, cannot be helped. You lose, again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThe Republicans seem to be pointing out that the lack of healthcare insurance in this family is a choice. I fail to see it as a choice. Two of these children have large pre-existing conditions. No healthcare insurance wants to take on that responsibility. Without some state or government program, there healthcare will be denied.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:28 pmA family member of mine had cancer that was in the very early stages and was able to be removed, no chemo or radiation was required. They have minimized the chance that it would reoccur via another operation. They have a great prognoisis, but at the ripe old age of 42, no insurance company will touch this person. They had to be added to a state pool of similar people in order for her to receive healthcare insurance.
Princeps sez:
Actually, it helps quite a bit (thanks, GS)…not that you’ve been able to even dent it yet.
I’m still waiting, Princess.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:29 pmLOL!
I’m not the one being used by a political entity to win sympathy points for my tragic story.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Just post your address.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:31 pmFor the libs who don’t know what “fascistic socialism,†google “Stalin.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Noooo, not Stalin, my dear, but a science fiction writer. Google that.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI’m not the one being used by a political entity to win sympathy points for my tragic story.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
No, you’re being used as a dumbass tool for the rich to get richer, and the mass-murderers to make more profits from arms dealers. And you have no cause whatsoever to accuse the kid of being used; he sounds quite confident that he’s right, and thankful that he’s alive. if he’s being used, it’s to benefit other children like him, and he’s happy about it. and you have no proof of any sort that he’s being used by a political entity. just more hot air and empty accusations.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI’m not the one being used by a political entity to win sympathy points for my tragic story.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
That’s not how it looks to me. Though I have little sympathy for such as you.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmPrincess sez:
And as both Gregor and I have proven, a revision is not necessary.
Try again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:33 pmPrinceptic pustulus
October 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pm“Children without SCHIP have ended up in emergency care situations.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
And past experience is a good hint of what will happen in the future, since there is no indication of a different outcome.
If you have evidence that the outcome will be different this time around, please do share it.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pmYou need to rephrase you statement…
Why? What’s wrong with “It is forseeable that children without SCHIP will continue to end up in emergency care situationsâ€? Same thing he said.
No matter how thin you want to slice your baloney, it’s still baloney.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pmPrinceps = Mr Pee
October 8th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI’m waiting for you to revise your argument.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
hold your breath, that should speed it right along. Why would he revise a winning argument that has left you empty and foolish? You have demonstrated your shallowness time and again, and your lack of social conscience and morality, and have lost every argument you have attempted, every single one.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:36 pmComment by Zooey — October 8, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
We know Zooey.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:36 pmAddress Princeps!
You said it wasn’t an attack to check up on the Frosts. What is good for the Frosts is good for the Princep. You ARE making the accusation that the Frosts are being used. How do we know you are not paid by the Republican party to defend Malkin unless we can “investigate” YOU the way Malkin is doing with the Frosts?
I believe you are a paid agent of the Republican Party. As you said, it is my DUTY to INVESTIGATE you!
Post your address, PAID AGENT TROLL!
October 8th, 2007 at 8:36 pmFor the libs who don’t know what “fascistic socialism,†google “Stalin.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Google Fascism + George Bush.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmWe know Zooey.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Why is he here?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmWe know Zooey.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
And we like her, too.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmyou sir, are being intellectually dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
You, Mr. P., have redefined intellectual dishonesty.
As I said before, past experience is a good indication of future events.
If you have evidence that this time around children without SCHIP will not end up in emergency situations, please share it.
Otherwise your posts are pure, unadulterated, 100% rubbish.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:38 pmPrincess sez:
From the Terms of Use:
As you would be posting your own info, the Terms of Use do not apply.
Try again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:38 pmYour argument is constructed with unproven premises and assumptions which render it meaningless, and by asserting that the argument is valid, you sir, are being intellectually dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
You have proven your intellectual emptiness, why do you insist on displaying it again and again? Not a single reader here has agreed with any of your false, weak premises. You have lost, completely and embarrassingly. You should really just go away.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:38 pmWhy is he here?
Comment by Zooey
Over 450 posts, that’s why….
October 8th, 2007 at 8:39 pm(snark) :)
Why is he here?
Comment by Zooey — October 8, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
He is craving attention, as usual. Even if negative.
And as usual, he is being used as a rhetorical punching bag.
Not that he has the self-awareness to understand that fact.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by Nat — October 8, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Read the Terms of Use, dude.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Just post your address and/or your telephone number so we can do a Malkin.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Read the terms of use, p, and then post your address.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:40 pmPrincess sez:
That’s not an acceptable answer.
My challenge to you was :
Prove this argument is flawed, or admit that it is sound.
As you have not succeeded in accomplishing either, the challenge stands.
Try again.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:41 pmHow many of those are POOR? If they are not then they should buy their own.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
Or the government can offer a program.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pmHow many of those are POOR? If they are not then they should buy their own.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
No they shouldn’t. that is uncivilized. Profit for healthcare is barbaric and savage, not worthy of a civilized society. Just like the rest of your “conservative” agenda, backwards and inhuman, reprehensible, immoral and based on hate and fear. You have only left the caves physically, but not spiritually or emotionally. neantertals. knuckle-draggers.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pmPrincess sez:
No, the fact that your assertions are demonstrably false means that you are wrong.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThe increase in SCHIP was 0.2 percent.
Yet \/\/ get free goverment healthcare. And we all know he can afford his own insurance right?
October 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmYour argument is flawed because you can’t assert a necessary connection between to empirical events, which is what you are doing when you say “as a direct result…â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
sorry, you’re dead wrong again. as a direct result does, in fact, assert a necessary connection. you must prove otherwise, as that’s the position you’ve taken, and you obviously can’t, so, you are the LOSER.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmPrincess sez:
Asked and answered.
Try again.
(BTW, I’ll bet that as a child, when you would play “hangman”, you’d waste guesss and annoy the other children by moronically guessing the same letter over and over, even after you’re told that the letter wasn’t in the answer, would you?)
October 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pmJust because some lefties don’t agree with me doesn’t mean that I am wrong.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
No, what puts on the wrong side of the argument, is your insistence that children without SCHIP will not end up in emergency situation, very much in opposition to what past experience has taught.
Once again, if you have any evidence of what you are proposing, by all means, post it here.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pmZooey, Princeps is here as a PAID AGENT of the Republican Party. But he won’t give us his address so we can investigate him the way he says it is all right for Malkin to do. In fact, he says it is Malkin’s DUTY to investigate the Frosts.
What is OK to happen to the Frosts is NOT OK to happen to PAID REPUBLICAN AGENTS, like the troll in question.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pmThe family in question were not poor.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
But they were in need, and that’s good enough for Jesus, and for me, and would be good enough for you, if you weren’t such a miserable, hateful, empty jackass.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:48 pmComment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007
You keep saying that but they qualified under the guidelines. Where is your compassion? Oh right,my bad, you only care about the unborn Americans and purchasing bombs to blow up people to free them,,rrr, secure the oil.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:48 pmyou can’t assert a necessary connection between to empirical events…
Yes he can. He has made that assertion, and has indeed posted evidence to back it up.
You, on the other hand, have posted no evidence to support your argument.
“F” in logic, Mr. P.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:48 pm“F” in debate, too.
Jackals.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:50 pmLooks like TP is turning into what it used to be before registration.
Mr Pee gets off on this shit, and y’all are behaving like fluffers.
Tooooodles.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:50 pmthis is what it’s down to, folks, these are the representatives of the “right” in America, P and V, two losers without a lick of common sense or morality between them. The dwindling mouthy minority, going down with the scow of state that the Bushies have pulled the plug on.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:51 pmFrosts accident was three years ago loonatives, WELL before this small increase of .02 percent. Frost has nothing to do with what Bush vetoed.
Yet the loonatives are whining about this when Rush calls our troops phony, and thats the whole reason for this organized and concerted boo-hooing.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pmRemember when Mr. P insisted that the Saudis were not Muslims? Saudi Arabia is 100% Muslim; it’s the birthplace of Islam.
He said they’re not Muslims: they’re Arabs.
Ahahahaha! I guess he thought they were Arabian Lutherans.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pmIt’s very easy, Mr. P.
Past experience is what tells me the sun will raise again tomorrow.
I realise there is chance that it will not happen, but it’s so small as to be negligible. So I can confidently say the sun will raise again tomorrow. I don’t need any mental contortions to cast any doubts on that very likely event.
Past experience tells us children without SCHIP end up in emergency care situations. If you say it won’t -against past experience- the burden is on you to put your evidence forth.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:53 pmZooey, we are reporting the abuse. Please do the same.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pmWell, the fact is Bush is not helping the Republicans in the upcoming elections by showing his uncompassionate side.
Way to Go \/\/!!
October 8th, 2007 at 8:56 pmLooks like somebody needs to brush-up on their Hume studies.
Are you under the impression that Hume devised an alternative form of logic?
PS: Your hero Hume was a vile pig: “There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation.”
October 8th, 2007 at 8:56 pmwell then why not a home? Or food for the not poor? or a car? Or a cell phone? Or the internet? How about smokes? They cant help their addiction, they were born with addictive personalities why do we tax their sickness?
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
silly men of straw, V. that’s all you have? the same old tired, foolish scare tactics? Health care, V. A civilized nation’s duty to its citizens. Oh, it doesn’t have to be that way, but unfortunately, the inbred greed of the “free market” pigs who will deny a family insurance because it will hurt their bottom line, has made it necessary. If you and your kind weren’t such vile pigs, the free market would work just fine, but it’s just a theory at this point, until such time as conservatives have evolved to the level of the fully human. Then the free market can work, without Cheney and Bush and the rest ripping off the taxpayer to murder thousands of innocents for oil profits. In the meantime, we liberals have recognized our christian duty to protect our fellow citizens from you coyotes. the only reason we need universal health care is because people like you can’t be trusted to do the right thing. You have only yourself to blame.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:57 pmNancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have done a great job of backing Bush and the GOP into a box on health care. The Republic Party sure does come out of this smelling like a bunch of sh*tbags.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pmIts uncivilized to expect those who are not poor to buy their own health insurance?
They can go with either the high cost private insurance or low cost governmental insurance. They chose the lather.
well then why not a home? Or food for the not poor? or a car? Or a cell phone? Or the internet? How about smokes? They cant help their addiction, they were born with addictive personalities why do we tax their sickness?
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Because we’re only talking about health insurance. Come back and debate if the government decides to do any of the other things you mentioned.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pmThey qualified, the get it. Period. Take it up with the state of Maryland.
It’s not the Frost family getting SCHIP that V and P are opposed to. It’s anyone getting help. The Frosts are just an easy target for their ignorant arguments against the program.
Republicans going after 12-yr-old boys. Something we’re familiar with.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmThey were not in need before the accident. They were playing you.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
that statement perfectly encapsulates your rank stupidity, your lack of soul, your greed, and your ignorance. Very well done; I couldn’t have destroyed you any more efficiently than you just did yourself. the utter foolishness of that statement should be displayed before the entire world, to show how morally bereft the right is.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:01 pmThe topic is the smear campaign by Malkin, et. al., against the Frosts.
Trolls Vendetta and Princeps have claimed that Malkin, et. al. were correct.
That finishes their contribution to this thread.
It is now time to discuss what progressives can do to counteract the smear campaign.
I plan to “Report Abuse” if either troll posts again, until they are removed. I will report anyone who responds to their posts as well.
The attack of the trolls is officially ended.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmPrincess sez:
There’s nothing whatsoever wrong with the argument, and you know it.
My assertion that children will experience more suffering and death in the absence of the SCHIP program than they would in the presence of the program is completely yalid, and is supported by both logic and evidence.
If you have a problem with it, disprove it.
Otherwise, you can either pick another premise to dispute, or you can just give it up and admit that the argument is sound.
Pick a course of action and get busy…but don’t waste our time and yours with an argument we’ve already shown to be invalid.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI didn’t say that, I said that Mr. Monkey needs to clean up his argument.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
And it already has been “cleaned up”. There is empirical evidence that children without SCHIP means more visits to the emergency room.
If you say it won’t happen again in the future (“Children without SCHIP have ended up in emergency care situations.â€), then post your evidence. It’s that simple.
You won’t weasel your way out of this one.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmYeah, yeah, both parties use kids in various ways. I think this was using kids too. I think its a good idea, because this was relavant to the idea of using kids.
I would rather be bashing Blackwater, can we bash Blackwater?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmThat assistance is for the POOR which they really were not before the accident.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
We’re talking about after the accident.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pmPrincess sez:
Coward.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pmComment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
You said the program is crap anyway, and that just tipped your hand.
You said doctors don’t like the program or support it. I asked for proof, you failed to provide it, although I posted several links to medical groups protesting the veto to show you were full of it.
You’re transparent in your disdain for the poor and working poor.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:04 pm$45000. income $500,000. Home $160,000 commercial property with possible income from rental. Thats not poor
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
SCHIP is not for the poor; Medicaid is for the poor.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pmYou do realize they are PAYING for this health insurance – right?
Comment by CoulterIsamAnn — October 8, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
No, he doesn’t.
This is the “conservative” who said:
But his parent were obviously to greedy and tight to spend the cash insuring their kids.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
He has no idea that the parents are already paying for the SCHIP.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:07 pmSorry I live in a blue state and all people are talking about is the mess the dems have made of this in their attempt at giving Bush and the repubs a black eye. Not all libs are stupid.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
No, but conturds making such assertions are liars, like y8ou.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:07 pmSorry I live in a blue state and all people are talking about is the mess the dems have made of this in their attempt at giving Bush and the repubs a black eye. Not all libs are stupid.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Bullsh*t.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:07 pmPrinceps like Malkin and the rest of the GOP practice godlessness and do it in the name of Jesus Christ. There has to be a special place in hell reserved for these people right next to murderers and pedophiles.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:08 pmSorry I live in a blue state and all people are talking about is the mess the dems have made of this in their attempt at giving Bush and the repubs a black eye. Not all libs are stupid.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Provide a source for that, please. You do know that even most GOP voted for the new SCHIP, don’t you? So you’re saying the GOP supports it and dems don’t? haha – nice try.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:08 pmSee how many pediatric eye drs you can find who take the husky insuance in ct. Then tell me about it.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
I already backed up my position with links. Your turn.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:08 pmSee how many pediatric eye drs you can find who take the husky insuance in ct. Then tell me about it.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
what does that have to do with this post?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:09 pmThats not poor
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Again, from the wikipedia:
The program provides health insurance for families who earn too much money to qualify for Medicaid, yet cannot afford to buy private insurance. The program was created to address the growing number of children in the United States without health insurance.
State Children’s Health Insurance Program
Pheeww! Educating the trolls is hard work…
October 8th, 2007 at 9:10 pmNot necessarily.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
There is empirical evidence.
That you don’t like it, is a whole other story.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:11 pmMaybe you are correct.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
About what? George Bush and Facism or your billsh*t argument about Dems complaining?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:12 pmthe mess the dems have made of this in their attempt at giving Bush and the repubs a black eye.
That doesn’t apply when it comes to SCHIP, though, does it blowhard? Finally, for the first time, Congressional GOP is splitting with Their Fearless Leader.
I live in California and I’ll tell you what, all the Republicans I meet loathe that man in the White House, for ruining their party, detroying what it stood for, and spoiling their chances for electoal majority for the forseeable future. The language they use to denounce Bush — “stupid POS,” “mentally unbalanced” “disgusting” — compares with anything I see here on TP.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI cant believe with all the other problems such as Iraq, or Afghanistan, and the wearing out of our troops, the graft and the corruption that Malkin and the malcontents cannot come up with a better inane talking point designed to protect the very thing they are supposed to be, “Compassionate”
Malkin probably reads La Veys Satanic bible.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:14 pmNot necessarily.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Next you will argue that there is “not necessarily” empirical evidence that the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun.
Feel free to insist the Earth is flat and the center of the universe.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:14 pmConsidering none of you libs has a leg to stand on when it comes to intelligence, it must be rough.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Speaking of intelligence, where is your evidence that children will not end up in emergency care situations?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:15 pmPheeww! Educating the trolls is hard work…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Then DON’T TRY!
The trolls are not in here to be ecucated. The are in here for the purpose of distracting from the topic and making “conservative” talking points.
Just report their abuse. That is what the “Report Abuse” icon is for.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:16 pmSorry I live in a blue state and all people are talking about is the mess the dems have made of this in their attempt at giving Bush and the repubs a black eye.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… whew… you are one funny feller…
I have an elderly friend who’s wife is a Nevada Repub. Her whole family are repubs going back yrs and yrs. Hubby sez she still thinks thieves should have their hand cut off for punishment.
When Shrub gave his State of the Union speech this spring, she went shopping. She said, “He’s got nothing to say I’m interested in hearing.”
All people are talking about? BWAHAHAHAHAHA… ya need ta get out more. Or at least, get yer head outta yer own rear end, fer starters.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThere is no empirical evidence to support the claim that “not having schip†will necessarily cause “more child deaths.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
What TripMaster said from the very beginning was “children will suffer more”. He didn’t mention death; that is your own strawman.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:18 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Unless, of course, you are now agreeing that children will indeed suffer more.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:20 pmYup knowing Bush would veto and they could say they voted for it if the con arguement did not work.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read here tonight. And trust me, there’s a lot to choose from, and that’s just your posts.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:20 pmAnd Mr. P has also told us that he doesn’t have health insurance. The nerve of these rat bastards.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:21 pmThe latest conservative Malkin talking point is simply this: We are not compassionate
You would think Malkin, with an economyth husband, would realize that 0.2 percent increase in this program barely keeps up with population increase.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:22 pmThat is not the problem anyway, the problem is that he asserts a causal relationship.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
How dense are you?
There is empirical evidence of a causal relationship between lack of SCHIP and emergency care.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:22 pmThat’s the dumbest thing I’ve read here tonight. And trust me, there’s a lot to choose from, and that’s just your posts.
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Scraping bottom is Vendetta’s specialty. Makes P. look just stubborn instead of deathly stupid.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThe compassionate plan for America, outlaw abortion, because you know they care about life Soooo much [[those that aren't being bombed to free them]] then deny those forced into poverty with skyrocketing childcare costs the means to care for their children.
The streets wil be full of sickly people, now that is compassion!!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:26 pmWhee! P and V are raking in the per-post fees tonight! Ka-ching!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:26 pm400,000 Home. Investment Property? Self Employed and probably off the Books for much of his income . Sorry. I am not paying. I have 2 Kids in college and can barely pay for my own bills. I am not willing to pay for others.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:27 pmtudy up, libs.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
straw man, as usual. You’ve been proven wrong, P. suck on it, nothing you can say, no stupidity you can make up will make you right. Any Jr. College freshman would rip you to shreds, as everyone here has done. You are wrong, you haven’t proven your thesis, and you have been schooled. You should let it take, and thank your betters for the education. and we are your betters, by far.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:28 pmWell, this should serve to discourage other 12 year-olds from speaking out against the government.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:28 pm400,000 Home. Investment Property? Self Employed and probably off the Books for much of his income . Sorry. I am not paying. I have 2 Kids in college and can barely pay for my own bills. I am not willing to pay for others.
Comment by dennisD — October 8, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Too bad, the kid is better. I know you’re disappointed that he didn’t die, but that’s your tough shit. And they paid for the coverage, you ignorant hick.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:29 pmCausality is metaphysics.
Study up, libs.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Now you try to hide your lack of an actual argument behind meaningless, irrelevant rhetoric.
Your cheap philosophical footwork does not take anything away from the fact that you still haven’t posted anything to shore up your assertion that one did not cause the other.
“Study up”? Methinks someone needs to study some basic English. And it’s not me.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI earn that cash its not easy keeping up with so many different loons.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
When do we get to the part where you keep up?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:31 pmTidy up, P., your sloppy reasoning has vendetta slippng all over the thread.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:31 pmIf it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me. Graeme Frost
Progressives, how do we see to it that this fine young man’s cogent comment is not buried beneath the kind of dispicable denigration described in the topic of this thread and demonstrated by the trolls in here.
TROLLS: This post is NOT addressed to you. If you respond to this post, I will report you for abusing my right to address my questions to progressives without your trollish interference.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:31 pmhterrya, it looks like the dissemination is going quite well. one of the great things about the right is their ability to create a firestorm that comes back to bite them in the ass. hubris and overreaching is what brings them down every time; this is historical fact.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:34 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
Post your evidence.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:37 pmhterrya, I have written to my Congressman (Doggett, D-TX) so that he’s aware that the righties are shamelessly swift boating this boy and his family.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:37 pmI did not say they liked Bush just that the dems had blown it in their attempt to expand this program. If it really served only the poor most on both sides would be supporting the expansion.
Comment by Vendetta — October 8, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Most Americans support SCHIP but the far right (which basically constitutes the republican party) are more interested in protecting private insurance companies.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pmhterrya, I have written to my Congressman (Doggett, D-TX) so that he’s aware that the righties are shamelessly swift boating this boy and his family.
Comment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
GREAT idea, Candyce. Doggett is my Congressman, too. I’ll write to him tonight.
Thanks!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:39 pmDo some homework on “causality,†“necessary connection,†“contingency,†“David Hume,†and “W. V. O. Quine.â€
You’ll be okay.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
More random Google phrases from a guy who thinks Stalin coined the phrase fascistic socialism. We’re not impressed.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:39 pmhterrya, awesome, neighbor!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThe 12 year old did not write that comment. He is merely a puppet for his Demlib masters.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
How do you know this?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:40 pmhterrya, it looks like the whole lefty blogosphere is n the case. whisky fire, firedog lake, and many others are passing this around the web. Malkin will regret this one.
“You’ll be okay.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:36 pm”
But you never will. You’ve gone batshit insane. Another Bushit cultist has snapped the bonds of sanity.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:41 pmComment by Candyce — October 8, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
He also thinks Saudis are not Muslims.
This troll is unintentionally funny.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:41 pmHe also thinks Saudis are not Muslims.
This troll is unintentionally funny.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
What are they? Wiccan?
October 8th, 2007 at 9:42 pmThe 12 year old did not write that comment. He is merely a puppet for his Demlib masters.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Proof? Links? Rumors, even?
Nothing, right. Not a thing except your fevered imagination.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:42 pmCandyce,
Heh. Good one.
You’ll have to ask him…. wait…. scrap that….
October 8th, 2007 at 9:43 pmFor the libs who don’t know what “fascistic socialism,†google “Stalin.â€
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
For those CONservative nutcases who don’t know what “corporate welfare” is, google “Halliburton” and “Blackwater”
October 8th, 2007 at 9:45 pmhttp://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume/#NecConDefCau
http://plato.stanford.edu/ entries/ causation-metaphysics/
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
irrelevant nonsense, rejected long ago by intelligent people. let’s see your quotes from the Vatican on the earth being the center of the universe now.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:45 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
Don’t be so obtuse.
You really don’t impress me -assuming that is what you are trying to by giving me links to Plato’s and Hume’s work.
This is not about philosophy, my surreal fiend. It’s about the SCHIP.
If you have evidence that lack of SCHIP doesn’t cause more visits to the emergency room, post it. Stop babbling.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:46 pmStop babbling.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
You’ll have to excuse P. practice makes perfect.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:49 pmStudy up!
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Post your evidence.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:49 pmI’m objecting to the argument on the grounds that there are metaphysical assumptions being made.
Study up!
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
you’re objecting to the argument because you’ve lost the argument. we know your little grade-school games, p. you’re the same kind of pissy-pants loser bush is. all republicans, really. pissy little losers, not a man among you.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:51 pmZooey is right. The troll dung in here is as deep as it was before the new registration plan was installed.
Progressives, please report trolls rather than responding to them. It only encourages them and makes the troll-dung pile higher.
Thanks.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI like trolls, it’s good exercise, like a boxer working the bag. They can’t hit back, but they sure take a beating.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI’m saying that you can not assert that there is a direct causal relationship, period.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
And he’s saying that you are wrong, period, and wants you to prove that a direct causal relationship doesn’t exist, through scientific study and samples. He has proven his point, and you are merely dancing on a metaphysical pin, like the metaphysical pinhead you are. You have lost, p, and everybody knows it but you. You can only win by disproving his proofs, not by changing the game to a philosophical bull session.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThey can’t hit back, but they sure take a beating.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 8, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Ah yes… Whack-A-Trollâ„¢!!! The Sport of Kings!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:59 pmIf it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
Thought the statement from this brave young man needed repeating one more time!
October 8th, 2007 at 10:00 pmAh yes… Whack-A-Troll™!!! The Sport of Kings!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 8, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
I’m enjoying my punching-bag comparison, especially given the stale air in p’s head. very apt, indeed.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:00 pmHe also thinks Saudis are not Muslims.
This troll is unintentionally funny.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
That was a Mr. P classic, was it not!
October 8th, 2007 at 10:01 pmespecially given the stale air in p’s head. very apt, indeed.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 8, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
So, yer sayin’ it’s like hittin’ a speed bag?
Budada-budada-budada-budada…
October 8th, 2007 at 10:02 pmExcellent post, Faiz.
Research and solid journalism will lay waste to conservative talking points every time.
Thanks!
October 8th, 2007 at 10:10 pmYou KNOW Hill’reh is confident of winning when she starts pulling together the old cronies from Bubba Clinton’s administration. Gee, I thought you Progressives had something new to offer, but instead, you just retreaded the old.
Sadly, you just aren’t serious enough to walk the walk, and run your own candidate in the general election. The Clintonista’s KNEW they could get you to fight the fights, so that they could slip by unnoticed, and snatch away the nomination, and they KNEW you would vote for them as they STATE UNEQUIVICALLY that they WILL NOT pull out of Iraq, and they WILL NOT support gay marriage. They should call you the Regressives.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:12 pmWe wouldn’t be in the health care mess we are in this country is Reagan hadn’t deregulated health care and allowed hospitals, et al, to become FOR PROFIT businesses.
I just looked up the Hippocratic oath. Didn’t see anything there about making as much money as possible.
But wait… what’s this????
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/07/10/8380799/index.htm
William McGuire
$1 Billion
UnitedHealth’s CEO holds a ton of options. Alleged accounting flaws have hit the stock. But his potential reward (above) remains rich.
http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-can-1248-million-year-ceo-make.html
How Can a $124.8 Million a Year CEO Make Health Care More Affordable?
An op-ed piece in the Providence Journal about huge pay packages for corporate CEOs mentioned the breath-taking $124.8 million total compensation of United Health Group (parent of United Healthcare) CEO William McGuire. This figure can also be found in the Forbes Special Report on CEO compensation. Here one can find that other managed care CEOs got less fabulous, but still formidable compensation, e.g., Howard Phanstiel, PacifiCare, 3.38 million; Edward Hanway, Cigna, $13.3 million; John Rowe, Aetna, $22.2 million; and Larry Glassrock, Wellpoint, $25.0 million.
McGuire’s compensation was so large as to take a measurable part of this large company’s net income (5%). Or to look at it from a stock-holder’s (and hence, an company owner’s) viewpoint, had McGuire, who is an employee, been only paid a cool million, and this money had been distributed as a dividend, it would amount to about a $0.20 per share dividend. (The current dividend is $0.03 per share.) (See company data available from Forbes as well.)
To look at it from a United employee’s viewpoint, had McGuire, who is an employee, been only paid a cool million, and this money had been distributed to employees, each of the 40,000 employees could have received a bonus larger than $3000.
To look at it from the viewpoint of the health care system, the $124.8 million total compensation of a single United employee could pay the salaries of 833 general internists at current typical salaries. Or the $124.8 million could run one reasonable size community hospital for a year.
United Health Group’s mission statement is “the company directs its resources into designing products, providing services and applying technologies that improve access to health and well-being services; simply the health care experience; promote quality; and make health care more affordable.” (See this fact sheet.) Rather, it seems to be directing a good chunk of its resources into salaries of top management employees. How a $124.8 million CEO salary can be reconciled with a mission to “make health care more affordable” is completely beyond me.
Geez, could this have anything to do w/ the problem???
October 8th, 2007 at 10:16 pmCausality is metaphysics.
So you are saying there is no causality outside of metaphysics? No wonder you can’t win any arguments. You don’t live in this world.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:18 pmOn topic:
If it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
Off topic:
Trolls denigrating this brave young man without a shred of proof.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:19 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
I don’t care what you think or not of me. I really couldn’t care less.
Your cheap, baseless, pseudo-intellectual, “philosophical” objections are almost as hollow as your own head.
The world is unmoved by your “philosophical” objections.
The results of the study are there for all to read. They establish a cause-effect between emergency visits and insurance status. That is a scientific study.
If there is someone here who doesn’t understand “basic scientific concepts” is certainly not me.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:19 pmOh, and Mr. P,
Were I to give you a good kick in the groin (the kind that sends a ball way away from your goal zone), you can bet your rear-end you’ll soon be on the floor, rolling in pain.
Cause-effect. Nothing “metaphysical” about that.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:34 pmIf there is someone here who doesn’t understand “basic scientific concepts†is certainly not me.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 8, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
No, it’s P. But he feels bad for me. Because it’s all he can come up with. He has no reason for feeling bad for me, but somehow he thinks how he feels has anything to do with his empty, farcicial posturing and his baseless attempts at appearing reasoned. He has lost all arguments he has ever engaged in here, without exception, but he feels bad for me. It is funny and sad, at the same time.
Now, about the proof that Frost’s statement was written by libs and lobbyists? There will be no proof, there will just be another smear and baseless accusation against a 12-year-old with real courage and a very high-functioning brain, standing up and sticking it up Bushco’s fat, hairy asses, and p can;t stand it, because he never found that kind of courage or that kind of ability. Same with malkin and all the other yapping running dogs of imperial murka, the fascist right, the weak cowards who will attack kids and Gold Star mothers. Putrid panty-waists, all of them.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:40 pmEverybody please report this troll for abuse. This is not a philosophy class. P is off topic and spamming this thread.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:47 pmThis attack is making the MoveOn.Org article on Betrayus look like rock candy.
Hey how about picking something a little less popular or pathetic to kick!
Geeez! At least the general was a grown man.
Michelle Malkin sitll playing the bully. Maybe she can find an infant to kick in the head while she’s at it.
HAHA. What a pathetic excuse for a journalist she is.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:51 pmNow, about the proof that Frost’s statement was written by libs and lobbyists?
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 8, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
There will be no proof or evidence. There hardly ever is.
These people (the right-wing, Bush followers) work by smearing, spreading doubt, and casting aspersions.
My grandmother used to day: “The devil’s work is not to convince anyone, but to sow doubt and confusion.”
These people are just like that: They never have a good argument, only smears.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:52 pmEverybody please report this troll for abuse. This is not a philosophy class. P is off topic and spamming this thread.
Comment by Shayne — October 8, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
for 5 hours… FIVE HOURS…
p has been banned so many time before… it should not be here at all…
it should’ve been reported FIVE HOURS ago…
sounds like a goddam jr high cafeteria in here…
October 8th, 2007 at 11:01 pm.
Funny I dont recall Michelle Malkin badgering Terri Schiavos family.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:05 pmDoes this family reside in a state where automotive insurance has the option of removing medical coverage?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:16 pmOr was medical on the automotive insurance not covered.
Who was at fault with the accident?
I have a lot of questions as I have worked both government and private insurance.
When you want my money to pay for medical care for another’s mistake, of course I’m gonna ask a lot of questions.
The tragedy in such ‘journalism’ as Malkins is that while they run around trying to smear a kid that attends a prominent jewish school [Parks] they are oblivious to the other legislation congress is working on.
The loonatives are out chasing butterflys and making complete fools of themselves by doting on a non-newsworthy 3 year old story. Utterly clueless uncompassionate loons.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWhen you want my money to pay for medical care for another’s mistake, of course I’m gonna ask a lot of questions.
Comment by toy30604 — October 8, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Are you asking a lot of questions while your money pays for Bush’s mistakes? Do you have any idea how much of your money is involved in the Frost case vs. the Iraq war? Will you really miss that 23 cents? Or are you just another Republican greedhead?
America needs to knw.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:34 pmOMG, I can’t believe you guys are still arguing with Mr. Pee. I have to admit it’s kind of fun for a while, but over 600 posts! Does anyone really think that they are going to change the minds of these black-hearted souls?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:34 pmMalkin:
$1200 per month for a family of 6 in Baltimore. Really? What are they smoking?
A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays.
Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That’s almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn’t anyone bother to check the facts?
Apparently not.
I also passed by the Frosts’ rowhouse. There was an “01 – 20 -09″ bumper sticker plastered on the door and a newer model GMC Suburban parked directly in front of the house. I’ve seen guesstimates of the house’s worth in the $400,000-plus range. Those are high. But Mark Tapscott’s point remains: “[P]eople make choices and it’s clear the Frosts have made choice to invest in property and a business, but not in private health insurance. The Maryland-administered version of the federal SCHIP program, by the way, does not impose an asset test on applicants.â€
October 8th, 2007 at 11:36 pmForce those women to have babies, but make sure they don’t get any help in life after the birth.
Crom would agree.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pmComment by muckdog — October 8, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Muckdog! yer back! Gotta question for ya, Dawg!
Rmember YOUR comment here?
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq.
The surge is working.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Question for you, muckdog.
Suppose one of your mother’s friends just lost her son in Iraq, and this woman and your mother were crying over the news. Would you make
that comment to your mother and her friend?
It is a yes or no question.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 8, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Jes’ askin… ya now, fer the record.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pmSince this thread has deteriorated into a troll fest, I thought I would
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obey-no-iraq-supplemental-until-course-change-2007-10-02.html
David Obey is the first Democrat to show some balls. Let’s contact our representatives and tell them to get on board with Obey. Either give us a date certain we will be out of Iraq or lay on a tax to pay for the endless war. Stop mortgaging our children’s future. If you support endless war, then pay for it. Otherwise, bring our boys home.
It’s going to be very hard for Bush to justify leaving our boys there now that the Iraqi government has said they have no hope of reconciliation and the British have pointed out that Basra is much calmer now that they have withdrawn troops.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:48 pm“[P]eople make choices and it’s clear the Frosts have made choice to invest in property and a business, but not in private health insurance. The Maryland-administered version of the federal SCHIP program, by the way, does not impose an asset test on applicants.â€
Comment by muckdog — October 8, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
so once again, it’s a choice between a decent life and healthcare, a choice Americans should not have to make. Republicans seem determined to paint a picture of the USA as a third-world country, where in order to maintain a healthy family, the not-rich should live in a shack, drive a ‘71 Datsun, and vote for Bush. Investing in a nice house and in a business is now looked upon as unAmerican, unless you’re filthy rich from defense contracts. How transparently hateful.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:54 pmNon-sequitor question, Mr. Stupid. Friends and family I know who have lost a son are mostly pro war and are not using war stats trying to gain a political advantage.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:57 pmThey should also look up the definition of “attack.†It seems that producing facts, such as the ones Ms. Malkin so kindly provided, is enough to send liberals into fits of rage.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Making shit up is not producing facts. Malkin took none of the actual facts of the matter into account, she lied and prevaricated in her usual hateful fashion. She quotes anonymus “sources” and attributes factual bases to random observations, something you made quite a big deal about earlier, P., you hypocrite. Gotcha again, loser!
October 8th, 2007 at 11:59 pmNon-sequitor question, Mr. Stupid. Friends and family I know who have lost a son are mostly pro war and are not using war stats trying to gain a political advantage.
Comment by muckdog — October 8, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
Now you’re just lying, muckdog. And of course they’re not using war stats to gain a political advantage, the stats are all against them. 72% of active duty soldiers want out, right now. You’re a stupid little shit, aren’t you?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:01 amThey should also look up the definition of “attack.†It seems that producing facts, such as the ones Ms. Malkin so kindly provided, is enough to send liberals into fits of rage.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007
Fits of laughter. This is such a non-story. The family has not been charged of fraud and this has nothing to do with Bush’s veto. The family applied for and was given aid. Trying to spin a three year old story is just plain goofy.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:04 amAgain, hit the books, son.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:02 am
well, you can believe that, but you’ve never come close to proving it, so live in your fantasy world, if it makes you feel good. You’ve never won a single argument here on facts, and your foolish, childish metaphysical nonsense was debunked centuries ago.
You might take your own advice and hit the books, but I would advise you to read them instead.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:04 amFriends and family I know who have lost a son are mostly pro war and are not using war stats trying to gain a political advantage.
Comment by muckdog — October 8, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
Yer a lyin’ piece of shit, just like your comment, you disgusting fraud.
NO SHAME???? You make me sick.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:04 amComment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Once again, if you have evidence that disproves this study, do post it.
Otherwise, you are just babbling.
And unlike you, I don’t need to use a sockpuppet to pat myself on the back and feel validated.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:06 amThat was not my objection.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:05 am
that was precisely your objection. Your ignorance is deeper than I feared; you literally don’t know what you’re talking about! amazing!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:06 ama son are mostly pro war and are not using war stats trying to gain a political advantage.
Comment by muckdog
This is not a war and has never been declared one: Its a freedom operation AKA nation building and an failed experiment in installing jeffersonian democracy in a foreign land for the sake of securing the flow of oil.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:07 amBTW, Sh*tdog, the question is not a non-sequiter (you probably don’t even know what that means…) and you didn’t answer it…
Because you’re a fraud and a coward…
Now be a good doggie, and go roll in yer own waste…
October 9th, 2007 at 12:09 amjust so, Xisithrus, and bush is not a “war” president, he is a whore president, and a really bad one at that. what a worldwide laughingstock the less-than-supreme court installed, who got re-elected by Bin Laden. The world’s biggest terrorist, and we have to deal with him for another year. Good thing he’s a useless, embarrassing lame duck creating more scorn for himself every time he shoots his mouth off.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:10 amI can’t believe that I know more about religion and science then all of you libs combined. -Mr P
You should be a stand up commodian.
[Stall Humor]
October 9th, 2007 at 12:11 amThat study doesn’t prove causation. It merely shows a correlation.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:10 am
In the real world of insurance statistics and actuarial tables, that study shows causation. Only in your ivory tower fantasy world does it “merely” show correlation. If you came out of the basement once in a while, you’d understand that. maybe.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:13 amGood thing he’s a useless, embarrassing lame duck creating more scorn for himself every time he shoots his mouth off.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 9, 2007
Yeh, he even knows more about religion than Mr P here, who knew?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:13 amAnd the second sentence says: “Graeme told his story of being involved in a severe car accident three years ago”
Seems to me he is thanking his country for helping him Mr P.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:15 am652 post’s, for and against investing in the children of our country or supporting bloated polatician’s and a war that is wipeing out an innocent nation…Just one more way for the reich and bull shit bush to show where their loyalties lie with huge contract’s to loyalest war monger’s, lier’s and thieve’s…….Shame on the troll’s and reich winger’s, all 26% of our devided nation are selfish fool’s that throw borrowed money at the feet of their false idol who is an evil maniach……Justice and Impeachment is the answer along with Peace and compassion….Stop the madness……
October 9th, 2007 at 12:16 amNon-sequitor question, Mr. Stupid. Friends and family I know who have lost a son are mostly pro war and are not using war stats trying to gain a political advantage.
Comment by muckdog
That is undoubtedly because the only people who would be caught dead in your presence are people as black-hearted as you are. So how many people do you know who have lost a son? I know of two. And both of them are broken hearted and furious at a government who could waste the lives of their precious children in a useless “war” that has destroyed Iraq and has bankrupted this country.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:16 amComment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:10 am
As Lefty Patriot already pointed out to you for the Nth time, you are wrong. Anyone who reads the study can easily verify how wrong you are.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:17 amSo you’re trying to justify this cowardly rightard attack and stalking of this family, p? and yet the betrayus ad by moveon was wrong? My, what a double standard you monkeys maintain. well, continue your attacks on a 12-year-old, who has proven himself far more courageous than any of his attackers will ever be. This will show him and all who are watching who the real Americans are, and they aren’t you and malkin and the rest of the fascist bums you worship.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:18 amMr Princess only reads the first sentence?
I guess you only read the first sentence [Gen 1:1] in the Bible as well.
What was the first word Mr Princess?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:19 amEnjoy!
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:18 am
October 9th, 2007 at 12:20 amagain with the ivory tower non-sequitors. You’re wrong, p, that’s the end result of all of this. YOU. ARE.WRONG. throw all the pseudo-intellectual crap against the wall you want, none of it justifies or defends your position based on the facts.
Wow, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid sure are beating the tar out of Bush and the GOP over health care. The Republic Party sure does come out of this looking like hateful, selfish pieces of crap.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:21 amIndeed. But the story is not three years old, for the demlibs have recently used the poor boy as a political pawn.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:21 am
again with the lies. you’re a real piece of shit, p. all you do is lie.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:22 amYou crack me up!
LOL!
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:22 am
of course, laughter is the release for your lunacy. You have no answers, so you laugh. it happens all the time in asylums.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:23 amHere are the facts. This family is not “poor” by some people’s standards. They both work, have a nice home (they paid $55,000 for), have two jobs making a moderate income for where they live, but they can’t afford a decent health insurance policy on what they make.
The black hearted trolls on this site would rather this family had been forced to sell their home, now valued at $400,000 and the father’s business, value unknown, to pay the medical bills for their child who was in a serious accident. Exactly how far do you think that money would have gone. I doubt it would have paid half of the child’s medical bills. And then the family would have no place to live, the father would not have a job and they would still owe a pile on medical bills. Their only choice at that point would be to declare bankruptcy. That would take care of the medical bills left owing, but it wouldn’t help them with a place to live.
So, you black-hearted trolls, is that what you would have wished on this family if they had not had the ability to enroll their children in the SCHIP program?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:25 amIndeed. But the story is not three years old, for the demlibs have recently used the poor boy as a political pawn.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007
Oh, so now you admit he is poor? What about that loonative pawn named Schiavo?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:26 amso, P, tell us what it’s like to be such a loser. as lefties, we aren’t that familiar with the concept of living a lie on a daily basis, like you do. who pays your rent? the state? you’re obviously unemployed, since you live here. what trauma did you suffer to become such a pathological, transparent liar?
Actually, never mind. Who cares, really?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:26 amOh, and ‘in.’
Comment by Princeps
Wrong-o Mr Theologian. It was Beroshith
October 9th, 2007 at 12:28 amYou’ve been reported.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Ooooooh…
did I make you cry? what did you report me for, being mean? Telling the truth? That would certainly be a crime in your ignorant, lying little mind. Guess what, P, you will be banned again, and I won’t. That’s another uncomfortable fact for you.
LOL, you crack me up, you pussy. enlist, man up! Get some courage, get some patriotism, stand up and fight!
Yeah, right.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:30 amMr P. is merely displaying the sociopathic lack of empathy that is characteristic of his kind of rightwing psychological make-up.
Paul Krugman: “I believe that the lack of empathy shown by Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Kristol, and, yes, Mr. Bush is genuine, not feigned. [...] What’s happening, presumably, is that modern movement conservatism attracts a certain personality type. If you identify with the downtrodden, even a little, you don’t belong. If you think ridicule is an appropriate response to other peoples’ woes, you fit right in. [...] If you’re poor or you’re sick or you don’t have health insurance, remember this: these people think your problems are funny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
October 9th, 2007 at 12:32 amWhy do Conservo-fascists hate America’s children?
-GSD
October 9th, 2007 at 12:32 amMr P the family applied for and got help three years ago.
Running around making claims, three years later, well after the fact, because of this kid who is thanking America for the assistance, and making accusatory statements is not conducive to the compassionate movement. It makes you look like hypocrites.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:33 amI use the authoritative KJV, as Jesus would have wanted.
Comment by Princeps
And how would you know that when Jesus didn’t write?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:34 amThis argument would not be happening in any of the other developed countries in the world. I believe I am talking about at the least the other top forty coiuntries in the world. In only the US would this be problematic.
That is because all the others have universal/single-payer/government-run/socialized healthcare. Noone has to sell their home. Noone has to declare bankruptcy. Noone has to go without healthcare. Not one single little child! There is no deductible. There is no co-pay. There are pre-existing conditions. There is no “out of network”. There is no special preapproval.
According to Consumer Reports, we would save $250 billion every year, administratively-alone, switching to this system. Only Kucinich of all the candidates is for it. Hillary, Edwards, and Obama are NOT for it.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:36 amAnd no, Jesus would not have used the King James version of the bible. He would have used the Greek or Hebrew versions. Besides that the pilgrims did not use the KJV they used the Geneva or Breech version.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 12:31 am
LIES. This fake “Canadian Healthcare Model for U.S.A.” email has been making the rounds, circulated by various robotic cut-n-paste ‘droids. It’s thoroughly debunked here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=190×22465
October 9th, 2007 at 12:36 amStep wisely and don’t make the same mistakes we have.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 12:31 am
a very nice collection of lies and bullshit, but unfortunately for you, ron, untrue, spun and a setup. My folks live in Canada, and have a completely different story, what a surprise. We know that you republicans hate Americans and children, but shame on you for presenting such obvious lies and bullshit, easily disproven. While the Canadian system has its shortcomings, they are not nearly as severe as the American system’s shortcomings, nor is the mortality rate as high. And no Canadian loses his house and life savings over medical problems, an unfortunate daily occurence in the states. You’re lying to the wrong group, ron, we are edicated and intelligent. sell it to your friends at LGF.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:37 am- Most health care dollars spent on the elderly [...] Mixing our expectations and constraints with government control will be a huge disaster.
Umm… Most health care dollars spent on the elderly are already under government control, doughbrain.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:40 amMixing our expectations and constraints with government control will be a huge disaster.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
We HAVE a huge disaster, you idiot. It needs fixing, and the greedmongering rapists of Big Insurance and HMOs are not going to fix it, they are going to make it worse every chance they get.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:40 amComment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
reported
October 9th, 2007 at 12:41 amIt sounds to me like the CHIP program did alright by this kid.
If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it. -Mr P
I was talking about this being a three year old story not worth revisiting.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:42 amNot ‘this’ post of yours..
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
7 & 1/2 hours of yer life, down the toilet.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:43 amI was just funnin’ on that one. But seein’ as how The UNITED STATES of AMERICA was Founded by Protestant Christians, the KJV was the most natural choice for me.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:42 am
and the lies and misinformation keep coming. you don’t know much about history, either.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:44 am#696, that should be: There are NO pre-existing conditions.
I do not believe this fake report by ron.
And nowhere is it written that we have to take Canada’s system. Obviously, we should take the best system in the world and then improve on it. In a democracy, you can do such things. I do not have a vote on the board of directors of Blue Cross, however.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:45 amComment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:42 am
reported
October 9th, 2007 at 12:45 amHere’s another point on this sad situation. If the father had been able to afford to buy an insurance policy from Blue Cross or some other “for profit” company, chances are they would have been financially ruined anyway. Their insurance company would have found some way to deny many of their claims and they would have ended up in having to sell their home and declare bankruptcy anyway. Watch Sicko if you don’t think that would happen. That entire movie was about people with insurance who were ruined by their medical costs.
The beauty of programs like SCHIP are that they are not run for profit. They operate off a large pool of patients so they have bargaining power. And they don’t deny treatment where treatment is needed.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:45 amI just dont see the government as efficient at anything except wasting money
Comment by ron
Kind of like all that money Bush is wasting in Iraq? That is not what the Democrats would do if they were in control. Besides, Medicare is one of the most efficient systems of medical care out there. Their administrative costs are minuscule compared to what for profit insurance companies run. The only problem with Medicare these days is the fact that Bush is trying to starve the system to destroy it by lowering payments to doctors and hospitals to the point where they can’t afford to take Medicare patients.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:48 amI just dont see the government as efficient at anything except wasting money
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 12:44 am
well, you’re wrong, especially as it related to health care. Medicare and Medicaid are two of the most financially-efficient systems in the world for health care, and there is no reason some fat cat CEO should be making 125 million a year while his HMO kills people by the dozens because of his salary. It’s nothing short of criminal, and your “government is inefficient” line is bullshit. Government only fails under republicans. get rid of them, problem solved.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:48 amI was just funnin’ on that one. But seein’ as how The UNITED STATES of AMERICA was Founded by Protestant Christians, the KJV was the most natural choice for me.
Just funnin…unhuh K sure, whatever.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:49 amIraq report to the White House “Get Blackwater out in 6 months, and Hand Over the Blackwater Employees who Killed 17 Civilians”
just came out hour ago
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/iraq-to-blackwater-get-out-pay-up-and-hand-them-over/
October 9th, 2007 at 12:49 amWhen the Dems put this kid in the spotlight, they put the families integrity in question. That’s the only reason why this whole thing back-fired on the Dems in the first place.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:47 am
what makes you think it’s backfired on the dems? If anything, it’s shown how morally empty the Republicans are in their greed and hatred of American children, and it’s galvanized the left into action. This veto will be overridden, and more Republicans will lose seats because of this. It’s made your party look like absolute scum-sucking bottom-dwellers.
Again.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:51 amI just dont see the government as efficient at anything except wasting money Comment by ron — October 9, 2007
Halliburton is much more efficient at wasting money.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:51 amWhen the Dems put this kid in the spotlight, they put the families integrity in question. That’s the only reason why this whole thing back-fired on the Dems in the first place.
Comment by Princeps
The only way it “backfired” as you call it was because the black hearted right wingers chose to slime the family.
But, from what I can see in the news, this is backfiring on the Republicans. They are being outed for the hate-filled black hearted souls that they really are. They did themselves no favors by starting this fight. Most news outlets not controlled by Murdoch have reported that the stories are misleading in that they don’t tell the whole story. Just like Betrayus cherry-picked facts and didn’t show the big picture, the Repubics have cherry-picked facts and taken them out of context.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:51 amMr P,
Why is it that the US is the only developed country in the world where this argument would be happening?
Our healthcare is 35th in the world. Our life expectancy just fell to 40th. Our infant mortality is somewhere down there. We spend at least twice as much per capita on our administration of healthcare as anyone else. It should be extremely low—considering we have 47,000,000 with NOTHING!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:52 amWell, I see many Canadian pts every month…
Considering that what you posted above was a boilerplate lies cut-n-pasted from rightwing sources, why would you expect anybody to believe anything you say? You are not only an idiot, you are a very boring idiot.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:53 amThis is a joke, right?
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 12:49 am
why is it a joke? Nobody has found a lie, or a fact out of place in Sicko, and it has sparked several Congressional inquiries into the sad state of health care in the banana republic that America has become under the neandertal nazi known as bush. interesting that your knee-jerk reaction to truth is always so defensive. I guess the truth is always on the left’s side. Too bad for you.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:53 amWhen the Dems put this kid in the spotlight, they put the families integrity in question. That’s the only reason why this whole thing back-fired on the Dems in the first place. Comment by Princeps
It didn’t backfire at all, the family has not been charged with any wrong doing. All that nuttiness exists in the minds of the pundits and the lackey parrots.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:53 am#720 – Thanks Willie, that’s great news. Hopefully TP leads with that story tomorrow morning.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:54 amover 726 comments! people care about kids. conservatives don’t.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:54 amWe have 3 elephants in the room that the Canadians do not have:
- Many more illegal aliens (38 million and counting)
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
38 million you cite, as though a God-given fact…
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/10/08/daily9.html
Let me provide yer audience w/ the rest of the article, Ronnie…
“California group estimates illegal population up to 38 million…”
The Business Journal of Phoenix – by Chris Casacchia The Business Journal
A California anti-immigration lobbying group estimates there are 20 to 38 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., far more than federal government agencies report.
Immigration counts differ greatly from federal reporting agencies and policy groups. Bear Stearns’ research indicates that the illegal immigrant population is underreported by the U.S. Census by as much as a one-half. The Census Bureau estimates 8.7 million illegals; the Urban Institute, 9.3 million; and a Center for Immigration Studies report suggests an illegal population of 10 million. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates 12 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S.
Anywhere from, oh, 9 to 38 MM… wow, yer “facts” **cough… cough**
are really meaningful.
Saaayyy… aren’t you the feller who made it on his own, w/ only the help of a junior college?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:55 amBush=Yankees
losers
October 9th, 2007 at 12:55 amHalliburton is much more efficient at wasting money.
Comment by Xisithrus — October 9, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Silly you! Halliburton IS part of the govt these days.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:56 amOnce again the compassionate loonatives are showing lack of compassion.
The kid, with his parents approval, told his story and thanked CHIP for assistance. Why Malkin is trying to make an issue of a compassionate thing, by being uncompassionate hinges on the absurd.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amSilly you! Halliburton IS part of the govt these days.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 12:56 am
step right up, get your fascism right here!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amThis is a joke, right?
Comment by Princeps
No, it is not a joke. No one has been able to disprove anything that is in Sicko and it has helped to galvanize a nation into recognizing the fact that we have a very broken health care system. The last poll I read said that 62% of the people in this country now want some kind of universal health care.
It’s kind of funny. Harry and Louise turned out to be telling the truth. The joke is, it was the people who made up Harry and Louise who have screwed us and done everything they said a universal health care system would do.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:59 amaren’t you the feller who made it on his own, w/ only the help of a junior college?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 12:55 am
He’s the one and the same.
He is all for making people to pay “free market” prices, unless it’s about his education. In which case, he’s more than happy to take that money that he claims the government “wastes” and get himself through a community college.
In other words: “I’ve got mine, screw you.”
October 9th, 2007 at 12:59 amMassachusettes auditors found 1.5 billion dollars in fraudulent claims to Medicare and Medicaid from 2001-2003. This was just one state of fifty.
If your standard of efficient is flushing nearly 7 percent of all Medicare and Medicaid funds down the drain in one state over a three year period then we’re left with serious doubts about your intelligence.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amSilly you! Halliburton IS part of the govt these days.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Silly me. Its pure genius to increase wasteful spending by calling it privatizing and claiming it will save money! Just like this Iraq plan was supposed to pay for itself! Fiscal Genius!!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amFor many years now, whenever polled, about 66% of Americans want universal/single-payer/government-run healthcare.
In 1965, congressman GHW Bush voted against Medicare, calling it “socialized medicine”. He’s right. It is.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amI’m glad Bush vetoed SCHIP. It’s an unconstitutional encroachment on States’ rights.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:00 am
wrong, jake, and the veto will be overturned. it’s good to see you still are an idiot, though.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amI’m glad Bush vetoed SCHIP. It’s an unconstitutional encroachment on States’ rights.
Comment by Jake D.
Oh really, Mr. Right Wing Loon Jake the Flake, please quote what part of the constitution SCHIP is in violation of.
I’m off to bed. I can’t take any more of these Right Wing Loons. They make me very sad.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:02 amJake D.
You thought the abolition of slavery was an unconstitutional encroachment on States’ rights.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:04 amDo I have to watch “Sicko” for all the supporting evidence in these comments? Doesn’t anyone produce their own data and then make their own arguments anymore? Tell me the progressives are not outsourcing their research to film makers.
I’m not watching “Sicko”. If you want to make a case, make one.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:05 amI’m glad Bush vetoed SCHIP. It’s an unconstitutional encroachment on States’ rights. Comment by Jake D.
How exactly does it encroach on states rights? By keeping the states hospitals from eating the emergency room costs by uninsured?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:05 amIf your standard of efficient is flushing nearly 7 percent of all Medicare and Medicaid funds down the drain in one state over a three year period then we’re left with serious doubts about your intelligence.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:01 am
a mere pittance against the waste, fraud and outright theft of the perpetrators of the Iraq fiasco, and, in spite of fraud in medicare, people’s lives are being saved, not destroyed. As usual, the Repigs get in, slash oversight budgets and justice department budgets, then scream bloody murder that fraud has increased. From your take on this, I see that their is no question about your intelligence; it’s very low. And I might also note that their was a little private company called Enron, once upon a time. Spare me your phony righteousness.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:06 amI’m not watching “Sickoâ€. If you want to make a case, make one.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:05 am
why reinvent the wheel? if you want to remain in blissful ignorance, it will not be a surprise. it appears to be of great comfort to you.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:07 amI’ve never watched sicko Gabriel, you shouldn’t make such broad and false assumptions.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:07 amPlenty of comments here connect with Universal Health Care as a pressing need. So why are you defending this program?
You’re willing to waste political, financial, and intelligence capital on band aids while telling me at the same time that the wounds are too large and too deep for band aids.
How is preventive medicine like universal health care going to do anything about circumstantial events like car accidents?
Ready? Go.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:08 amAmerican Heroes are being presecuted by a savage foreign nation and you say “that’s great news�
Let me guess, you’re a big fan of the Daily – “Screw ‘em†– Kos.
American murderers are being prosecuted by the nation they illegally invaded, and you’re against that? You have no morals, P, none whatsoever. Do you want more Blackwater corpses to swing from bridges across Iraq? You’re a sick one.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:09 amAmerican Heroes are being presecuted by a savage foreign nation and you say “that’s great news�
You calling Bushs sovereign democratic purple fingered welfare state of Iraq savage?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:10 amAll I can say about this that you guys dont see is that many institutions are having pt sign medicare waivers in case medicare doesnt cover a test. It is done with some Radiologic exams. That doesnt show up on medicare stats.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:07 am
well, that sounds illegal, and if you’re witnessing it and not reporting it, then you are a part of the problem, as Republicans usually are.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:10 amA study showed US’s lack of universal healthcare results in 18,000 deaths EVERY year.
Plus embryos—for you conservatives out there who only care about them.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:11 amIs this an advertisement website for film makers or is it a site that connects readers to information in real time to support their arguments?
Here you are, with a skeptic before you, taking the time to hear your arguments and you’re telling me to go, drop some of my own money to understand your position? Progressives cannot be this sloppy. I was told progressives take an academic approach to debate and persuasion. This comment thread looks more like a cadre of internet marketers.
I think you can do better.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:11 amWow somebody called in the trolls. But they show up with the same tired, stupid talking points. Not one conservative that shows up here ever has a thought that hasn’t been repeated by a dozen other trolls.
And P, do you have any idea how many times you’ve been reported. And your still here.
AND P, YOU DON’T HAVE INSURANCE SO YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:11 amHow is preventive medicine like universal health care going to do anything about circumstantial events like car accidents?
Ready? Go.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:08 am
well, certainly after that brainless broadside it appears to be too late for you. Since when is universal healthcare preventative? That certainkly should be part of it, and would be if drug companies weren;t so invested in selling chemicals instead of preventing disease, but that’s what happens when the profit motive obscures the real goals.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:13 amHow is preventive medicine like universal health care going to do anything about circumstantial events like car accidents?
Huh? Are you trying to correlate car accidents to having/not having insurance?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:14 amLefty patriot said, “a mere pittance against the waste, fraud and outright theft of the perpetrators of the Iraq fiasco, and, in spite of fraud in medicare, people’s lives are being saved, not destroyed.”
So fraud is justified on the grounds that there is fraud elsewhere, so why bother? Is this the progressive solution to pressing matters? We’ll address fraud, but we won’t address it now despite the fact that we know it exists, we know where it is, and we can do something about it. Essentially, you’re telling me we want a weighted fraud scale and we’ll accept 7 cents on every dollar disappearing because there is a few more cents disappearing somewhere else.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:15 amI think you can do better.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Sorry, we know your tuype, and whatever facts we come up with here, you will ignore and lie about. go see the film. It’s a very inexpensive education. It’s a citizen’s duty.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:15 amAnyone NOT on the “Ignore List†want to explain which Congressmen are going to switch their votes and override the veto?
Comment by Jake D
When Jake shows up this late at nite its likely because he is on his wifes ignore list.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:15 amSo fraud is justified on the grounds that there is fraud elsewhere, so why bother? -gabriel
Fraud has not been proven in this three year old story.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:20 amSo fraud is justified on the grounds that there is fraud elsewhere, so why bother? Is this the progressive solution to pressing matters? We’ll address fraud, but we won’t address it now despite the fact that we know it exists, we know where it is, and we can do something about it. Essentially, you’re telling me we want a weighted fraud scale and we’ll accept 7 cents on every dollar disappearing because there is a few more cents disappearing somewhere else.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:15 am
You missed the point, what a surprise. Fraud exploded because republicans underfunded the mechanisms that control fraud. it was purposeful, so that tools like you would spout this very talking point. Proper safeguards being in place, Medicare and Medicaid are among the very most efficient programs for mass healthcare in the world.
In The World.
And your case is only one state of 50, cutting your 7% to .0014. Not perfect, but pretty much normal. And, to finish you off completely, I never once said that it should be ignored or overlooked. it should be fixed, but Republicans would rather kill Iraqi wedding parties with the money than save American lives.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:21 amIn America your innocent until proven guilty, unless your a loonative Malkinite that runs around making accusations then believing them without any charges ever being filed.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:21 amJakiepoo says:
October 9th, 2007 at 1:22 am“especially since the 13th and 14th Amendments were properly ratified by 3/4 of the States”
And Jake, why, if you consider yourself a Constructionist, like the traitor Scalia, why are CORPORATIONS covered by the 13 amendment? Please tell us once again, we need a good laugh.
OH, wait, I am sorry, it was the SUPREMES who gave corporations the power of personhood. Those damn activist judges.
Lefty Patriot punts on 1st and 10. Good job. Have you considered running for Congress?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:23 amDoesn anyone know of any housing projects that are government run and safe?
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:21 am
The White House?
Only the weak-willed Congressmen will give in to this cheap emotional rhetoric coming from the dems.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 1:17 am
Yes, and the veto will be overturned. LOL!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:23 amWell, at least when we go to socialized medicine, the bum down the street can get a new liver and the best care anywhere, but too bad he wants to sleep under a newspaper with his JACK DANIELS. -Ron
This thread is about a 12 year old kid, not what \/\/ would have become without daddys money.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:24 amDoesn anyone know of any housing projects that are government run and safe?
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:21 am
You own yer own house, ron? Govt helped ya buy it, a know.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:25 amLefty Patriot punts on 1st and 10. Good job. Have you considered running for Congress?
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:23 am
I ran the field for a touchdown, and you missed it. too bad, now you’ll never learn anything.
Nice try, sucker. I buried your silly little argument, and you know it.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:25 amAs far as socialized medicine goes it seems to me congress gets free healthcare and they certainly can afford to buy private insurance.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:26 ama few brave Congressmen who vote to uphold the principle of Presidential veto power
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:23 am
Huh??? WTF does this gibberish mean???
How about a few brave Congressmen who vote to IMPEACH!!!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:26 amI hope we actually get a few brave Congressmen who vote to uphold the principle of Presidential veto power (perhaps a few of those RUNNING for President) even if they were weak-willed Congressmen in the first instance.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:23 am
There are no brave Republican congressmen, or they’d be Dems. The president is trying to kill American children. No congressman really wants to go there. The veto will not survive.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:27 amHey ron, shove this.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:28 amhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/159956_focus15.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=3
All I can say is cash in your 401k now because with todays low tax rates , you will have more money than the 45-75 % tax rates when the socialists take over.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Funny how much more the 401Ks were worth under Clinton. You’re pretty dumb.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:28 amLefty Patriot: I merely questioned the idea that medicare and medicaid were among the most efficient systems in the world. I posted a fact that clearly calls that assertion into question, unless “efficient” has a diluted Think Progress version as compared to the universal definition of “efficient” that 7% of fraud would call into serious question. A straw man was then used to justify fraud. Now another straw man is used to justify fraud under the ridiculous assertion that NO FRAUD exists in any of the other 49 states to constitute a .0014 figure.
I’m going to guess that posting straw man data to answer a clear cut question of what is efficient and what is not isn’t going to “finish off” anyone anytime soon.
I’ll give you the ball back. Don’t punt this time on 1st and 10.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:29 amReviewing this lengthy blog there are two glaring and pathetic truths;
1. Princess spent over six hours rationalizing, excusing, avoiding, and supporting the witholding of health care for American children.
2. He spent six hours, SIX HOURS OF HIS LIFE in doing it when he could have done it in 30 seconds. Seriously buddy………you need to get a life. Sad silly Rape-Public-Cans.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:29 amAll I can say is cash in your 401k now because with todays low tax rates , you will have more money than the 45-75 % tax rates when the socialists take over.
Comment by ron
There was no tax cut, it was a tax shift, tax receipts are UP not down, besides that government has grown some 30% under the current administration, that growth, by the fiscally wreckless GOP, has to be paid for.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:29 amComment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007
That would be his meth dealer.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:31 amwhen the socialists take over.
Comment by ron
When the socialists take over??? WTF??? Please, point them out.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:32 amI have done much better under GWB
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007
The Iraqis haven’t, but the illegal immigrants have!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am> I answered every one of your questions.
Wow, funny, yet another phrase “Jake” used to use. Rake your pathethic.
Don’t except snivelling scumbag like Vendumbta to sympathize with children who have brain damage… brain damage or some other type of neural injury caused by oxygen deprivation is pretty much a pre-requistite
for being a republican these days.
I laugh when he’s going to say he’s going to keep on “fighting”… aparently typing on a keyboard is considered fighting where he comes from… lol what a looser..
October 9th, 2007 at 1:32 amActually gabriel sutherland,
October 9th, 2007 at 1:33 amYou did the classic bullshit Republicon pull a fact out of your ass (no link, no data) and now want us to figure out a hypotheitical solution for your bullshit data.
6 hours? That’s a nice alarm. 12:30AM and I’m ready to rest.
Good night and good luck.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:33 amI’m going to guess that posting straw man data to answer a clear cut question of what is efficient and what is not isn’t going to “finish off†anyone anytime soon.
I’ll give you the ball back. Don’t punt this time on 1st and 10.
Comment by gabriel sutherland — October 9, 2007 @ 1:29 am
You can post all of your own 1-in-50 straw men, gabe, it proves nothing. The fact of the efficiency of the system is not in question. Three years of 7% fraud in one state is an anomaly, and you know it. If you want to draw that out to cover the whole system, then you have lost the ball in a fumble. I have the ball, and I’m running it through your goalposts, again. You are falling further behind with every possession. The .0014% figure stands until YOU prove otherwise. I took your ball, and scored on you. You are well behind. Wake up.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:33 amRake, Vendumbya, etc, why don’t you just pretend the Frosts are an Iraqi family?
Then giving them healthcare would be ok with you, right?
If not, do you agree we should scrutinize all the money we are spending in Iraq with the same strict scrutiny you guys are giving this measly 35 billion dollars?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:35 amWhen the socialists take over??? WTF??? Please, point them out.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Hes talking about \/\/’s No Child Left Behind socialist education perhaps.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:36 amwho payths that bill?
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:34 am
Govt helped ya buy yer house, ron…
October 9th, 2007 at 1:37 amI dont see the dems as fiscally conservativbe either. Didnt Hill just propose giving 5 k to every baby born? who payths that bill?
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:34 am
5k? That’s nothing, and will pay for itself. 30% you fiscal rapists have grown government by. 30%. Shame on you. It will take Dems two or three terms to repair that damage. Fortunately, they will get that chance and more. You’re all done. How many more Repigs are going to run away from the disaster that is Bush? there aren’t many left.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:37 amNot to mention FORMER Congressmen also running for President. At least ONE of them will reconsider their initial SCHIP vote in favor of upholding (what they hope will soon be their) Presidential veto power.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Well, seeing as some of them are FORMER Congressmen, they probably won’t be reconsiderin’ any votes soon…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… thanks fer tha laffs… yer a comic…
October 9th, 2007 at 1:38 amSo we see the Frost family has broken no rules or laws, they are simply acting on false accusations and showing what bad pundit journalism they promote as truth.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:39 amwhy do the repugs hate children?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:39 amany of the dem presidential contenders
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:37 am
I wish that were the case, but Clinton is no socialist, nor is Edwards, and certainly not Obama. It’s too bad, it would be a great improvement over the capitalistic raping of the taxpayers of the past 6 years.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:39 amany of the dem presidential contenders
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:37 am
Any of the dems??? really??? A little substantiation of that statement, ronnie? Any… at… all????
And what about you, lettin’ the govt help ya buy yer house.
Hypocrit!!!!!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:40 amPresidential veto power.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Bush has used the Veto power less than any president that I know of, and his use of abuse of executive signing statements has undermined the checks and balances.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:41 amI have done much better during this Administration as well, ron : )
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:41 am
well, I haven’t and i am sure that you’re both lying as well, so, nothing proven by rightwing liars.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:42 amno idea what you are talking about
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Then you clearly don’t understand the world you live in.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:42 amBut then, why am I not surprised?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:42 amThe fact is Ron, this was a bi-partisan bill. I suppose you are calling the GOP socialists?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:43 amThe fact is Ron, this was a bi-partisan bill. I suppose you are calling the GOP socialists?
Comment by Xisithrus — October 9, 2007 @ 1:43 am
yes, it’s funny how the rightards ignore the fact that it passed both houses of Congress by good margins. Only Bush the cold-blooded child-killer could be so evil as to deny children health care. Terrorism is his game, here and abroad.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:44 amNot to mention FORMER Congressmen also running for President. At least ONE of them will reconsider their initial SCHIP vote in favor of upholding (what they hope will soon be their) Presidential veto power.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:36 am
As if no President had ever had his veto overturned, or as if, having had one veto overturned, the Presidency automatically loses its veto power. Pretty lame argument, jakeass.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:45 amgovernment didnt give me a dime for buying my own home
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Did too. Ya don’t know what yer talkin’ about.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
October 9th, 2007 at 1:45 amI have done much better during this Administration as well, ron : )
Comment by Jake D.
How so? By paying twice as much for gas? By record deficits? By the sub-prime mess? By the war that isnt paying for itself? By bridges to nowhere? By the dollar devaluating to a point that many countries are dropping it?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:46 amsaved my own money for college, worked while in college, acted fiscally responsible so that a bank would loan me money, lived frugally for yrs, upgrading homes over the yrs and finally paid off the current one I am living in.. government didnt give me a dime for buying my own home
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:44 am
No wonder you’re so angry, you’ve been played for a sucker your whole life. They saw you coming.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:46 amWhat a level of ignorance.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… yer killin’ me…
October 9th, 2007 at 1:46 am>If Bush’s veto is overturned, I will donate $100 your your favorite charity.
Hahahaha. Which one of your personalities will do that Jake? ahahahahah. Looser. Its past your bedtime you fake old man.
You know its amazing Rory talks just like you, and look, you popped up on here after everyone started ignoring Rory and “her” stupid,
“would jesus aprove of satan providing healthcare?” hypos.
In the off chance satan existed, why would be have any interest in helping people? What would be his satanic purpose?
Still waiting for your brilliant statutory interpretation of what sort of things Congress’s power to “promote the general welfare” would allow them to do, if promoting health by providing medical care isnt one of them.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:46 amJake says I am doing better under the culture of perversion and corruption!
Hail corruption! Hail Foley! Hail prostitutes! Hail wide stances!
October 9th, 2007 at 1:47 amIn addition, if I die in 2010, my heirs will do much better under GWB since they will pay ZERO % death tax.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:47 am
Inflatable women can’t have chldren…
October 9th, 2007 at 1:47 amwhen they spend money that they dont have, yes I consider many of them to be no different fiscally which is why they lost big time last election
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:46 am
So Bush is a socialist, too? Wow, you’re whacked.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:48 amIn addition, if I die in 2010, my heirs will do much better under GWB since they will pay ZERO % death tax.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:47 am
Inflatable women can’t have chldren…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 1:47 am
The Dems will roll that back before your heirs can live off your ill-gotten gains, jake. let them go out and work instead of receiving republican welfare.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:49 am>If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to know what “NOT TO >MENTION†means, please let me know.
Hahahah Jake you fake. Theres a nice lady on here named “rory” who talks just like you, says things like “anyone else” and “i have answered all your questions now answer mine”.
Should you please explain why you plagarized someone else’s war record and claimed it as your own?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:50 amRory:
worry about the defeatocrats. A lot. They are going to devastate and dismantle your party, crush it, sweep up the pieces, and bury them.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:51 amSo Bush is a socialist, too? Wow, you’re whacked.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 9, 2007 @ 1:48 am
It’s the new rightie tactic, Lefty. They’re desperately trying to palm this nightmare off on us now, like a bad 3 dollar bill. Yer gonna be hearin’ more ‘n more of this talk as we get closer to the election. Get used ta it.
Figure out how the govt helped ya buy yer house yet, Ronnie? Sittin’ ther scratchin’ yer confused little head, are ya?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:51 amwhen they spend money that they dont have, yes I consider many of them to be no different fiscally which is why they lost big time last election
Comment by ron
Well, I can agree with that.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:51 amJust remember that those dems who now control Congress are still spending like crazy
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:50 am
so what? It’s only money. what’s with you freaks and money? Don’t you have any self-respect? Is that your only measure of success, filthy lucre? The root of all evil? Very shallow, ron, very shallow. You eked out that miserable little existence to have some paper to play with? How sad.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:53 amsaved my own money for college,
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Don’t forget to add it was a community college.
government didnt give me a dime for buying my own home
They might no have, but they certainly did give you lots of dimes so you could get your education. After all, community colleges are subsidised by the government.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:53 amIn addition, if I die in 2010, my heirs will do much better under GWB since they will pay ZERO % death tax.
Comment by Jake D. — October 9, 2007 @ 1:47 am
They would probably pay 0% death tax anyway, so why wait?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:53 amAfter all, community colleges are subsidised by the government.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 9, 2007 @ 1:53 am
He doesn’t get it, Gregor. He thinks he’s a rugged individualist. And he can’t STAND to admit the govt helped him buy his house, or just doesn’t understand it.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:55 amI almost feel sorry for these poor rightards who measure their success through money. Almost. Jake’s relatives have their fingers crossed that he’ll kick as soon as possible, so they can have his money. What a shitty way to live.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:56 amany of the dem presidential contenders
Comment by ron
I didn’t see universal healtcare under Bill Clinton. Did you?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:57 amWe saw NAFTA.
well, once again, my legs are worn out from kicking the crap out of idiot rightards. Good night.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:57 amWhat little ‘tard!
Comment by CoulterIsamAnn — October 9, 2007 @ 1:55 am
But… but… what about the Sanity Clause?
Oh… that’s right… there ain’t no Sanity Clause…
Kinda ’splains trolls, doesn’t it?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:57 amJake says this encroaches on states rights…when it doesn’t.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:59 amGoodnight, LP, nice work! :D
October 9th, 2007 at 2:00 amLike I have been saying all along- government is wasteful
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Well, govt certainly wasted money on an ungrateful little weasel like you.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:00 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 1:55 am
You gotta love those “rugged individualists” who get ahead thanks to government subsidies and/or support. Like Halliburton. Or anyone in this administration, who have little or no experience in the private sector.
But we are supposed to listen to them about not relying on government “handouts”.
And people like ron/Mr. P/Jake D. drink the kool-aid…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:02 amOh… that’s right… there ain’t no Sanity Clause…
Kinda ’splains trolls, doesn’t it?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 1:57 am
Only partly, TRoS. :(
October 9th, 2007 at 2:02 amOnly partly, TRoS. :(
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — October 9, 2007 @ 2:02 am
Well, that ‘n lead paint chips… ‘n mercury in tuna sandwiches…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:04 amare you gonna tell me that the government paid for my house- give me a break. No one gave me my education – I did it myself.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 2:04 am
Yer either lyin’ or a stone idiot, ronnie… which is it?
The govt helped ya pay fer yer house.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:06 am>Only the first $2 million would be tax-free.
Ah hah… so now your a 75 year old MILLIONAIRE/STANDFORD LAW GRADUATE/VETERAN who spends his time arguing on the internet.
hahahahaahah. dude… no old man who’s in the sunset of life and had millions of dollars to throw around would spend his time arguing on the internet. you get more fake every day.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:06 amyou get more fake every day.
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 9, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Ummmm… yeah…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:07 am>No one gave me my education – I did it myself.
Your school didnt receive any federal funding? which one was that?
Because if it took federal funding, part of that went to offset your tuition, i hate to tell ya…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:08 amComment by Chocolate Jesus — October 9, 2007 @ 2:06 am
You beat me to it!
October 9th, 2007 at 2:10 amNo one gave me my education – I did it myself.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 2:04 am
The government subsidised your education, whether you like it or not.
Just like they are subsidising the Frosts’ health care.
And since you bring it up, yes, those roads were more than just technically paid by the government. The government did pay for them. And for the other infrastructure as well: Electricity, potable water, sewage, etc.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:11 amLike Halliburton. Or anyone in this administration, who have little or no experience in the private sector. But we are supposed to listen to them about not relying on government “handoutsâ€. -GS
Its Republican hypocrisy at its best! And its also what lobbyists do, create profit with earmarks paid for by the taxpayer. A lobbyist can expect a return of 50$ for every 1$ spent by the company that hired him.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:11 amSome also help drug-fiends and homosexuals to overcome their diseases.
Comment by Princeps
Seems to me it caused Haggard to get diseased and hide it in a closet.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:14 am>Rory:
>
>Glad to have you aboard — I have enjoyed reading your posts —
almost as much as you enjoyed writing them.
jake, your cheesey patronizing fake-politness writing style shines through your various lame disguises
for christ sakes,
> please let me know.
Jake, no one wants to talk to you, or Rory, or any of your other sock puppets. I’m reasonably sure you and Mr. P arent the same person, so why don’t both of you compliment one another so you can get a little validification from an actual human being for once instead of a soap puppet?
October 9th, 2007 at 2:16 amOkay, since poor Li’l Ronnie cain’t figger it out fer himselves, I’ll tell him how the govt helped him buy his house.
We have to assume Ronnie had himself a “job”, but when someone is this dumb, it’s hard to believe.
Ronnie took the “money” from that “job” n’ bought hisself a “house”.
When Li’l Ronnie filed his income tax yr after year, the govt gave him a tax break for the interest he paid on his mortgage. That tax break was written DELIBERATELY into the tax codes to help dim watt bulbs like Li’l Ronnie here BUY that house – a govt subsidy to ENCOURAGE home ownership. If Li’l Ronnie has sold a house since 1997, after living in at least 2 of the previous 5 yrs, he also got a tax break on the 1st $250K of capital gains he made on sale of said house. ANOTHER way the govt supports dumdums like Li’l Ronnie.
His community college education cost him less because of govt money.
His house cost him less due to the incentives built into the tax codes.
His profession – radiology (I can’t believe anyone this stupid is actually working, BTW) – has benefitted enormously over the years from govt underwritten research.
Yet Li’l Ronnie persists in the rugged, he-man fantasy that he “made it on his own”. Ya watch here, folks. He won’t acknowledge ANY of this, even though it’s absolutley 100% true.
Like I said, he’s either a deliberate LIAR, or a stone idiot.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:17 amReally? Because Social Security has survived for what’s coming upon a century, but most private pensions have gone bankrupt in the last 50 years -CIAM
Yeh, just imagine Social Security being in the hands of the securitisation folks, it would implode just like the sub-prime bubble. Putting Social Security into the hands of wall street would be a disaster.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:17 amDonate the money to a local Christian Church.
Those folks do a lot of good when it comes to instilling proper morals and values in children.
Some also help drug-fiends and homosexuals to overcome their diseases.
Comment by Princeps — October 9, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Just make sure that they’re cleaning up their homosexual and pedophile priests’ “diseases” first.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:19 amNighty nite, Li’l Ronnie.
Ya keep huffin’ ‘n puffin’ ‘n tellin’ folks, Ya made it on yer own!
What a Maroon!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 2:20 amthe radiography school was a private school run by the hospital- no money came from the gov
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 2:10 am
Um… I hate to break it to you, but hospitals also receive generous federal government subsidies.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:21 amron, you still havent answered the question… what school did you go to, and do you really and truly beleive that just because a school is a private school that means it doesnt get government funding? if you assert that, your ignorance is really shining.. time to get the head out of the x-ray machine for awhile pal.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:23 amHis house cost him less due to the incentives built into the tax codes.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 2:17 am
Not to mention his mortgage loan is/was federally insured, which helps to keep interest rates low. You know, with the lenders being sure to recover their money, and all…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:24 am>you are pulling this stuff out of your as#
and you can xray your cr@p so you can keep it shoved up your @ss. congratualtions.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:25 amJeez, it looks like Ron and Jake are ‘Recommend’ing each other’s posts. They should start up their own blog.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:26 amoh, and hospitals? even private ones.. yikes, they are BIG recipients of government handouts… I dare say an education instution WITHIN a hospital in this country, private or not, is almost certain to get a government handout, orobably multiple handouts actually..
yikes, looks like Ron may have been gettting government handouts at every stage of his education.. what a bumb..
October 9th, 2007 at 2:33 amRon.. still waiting for you to tell us what school you went to, and still wondering whether you truly beleive that just because a school is private means it doesnt accept government handouts.
Yale, Harvard and Princeton all get federal funding you know..
October 9th, 2007 at 2:37 amOh no!
The “rugged individualist” Ron has been actively taking government money all these years without realising it!
A true believer’s world is crumbling around him, going down in flames! Oh, the humanity….
October 9th, 2007 at 2:42 am> because of my 820 credit scores,
total? IMPRESSIVE! Hhehehe.
gosh your snarky n smart Ron…
“private school” equals “not receiving federal aid”, yes or no?
October 9th, 2007 at 2:45 am>You wouldnt know of it because its a small town in the midwest and no it >doesnt get gov funding for the radiography school
uh huh, we know that how? just post the name of it, someone here will look it up and verify. and I noticed your qualifier “for the radiography school”.. so you’re friends with the treasurer as well? you know what they do and dont spend their money on? you know how their budget would change if they didnt get any federal funds?
October 9th, 2007 at 2:49 amTruth is, Ronnie boy, those very same big fat companies who help spread the notion that governments subsidies should be avoided, absolutely love big, fat government subsidies.
But here you are, arguing that a 12yo in need of medical care shouldn’t get it at an affordable price.
You’d rather be caught dead, then take government money in any form, shape, or way, wouldn’t you?
(You are still alive so the answer to the question is obviously “no”)
October 9th, 2007 at 2:50 amwhere is the personal responsibility of the student?
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 2:46 am
Irrelevant point, given the fact that the government does provide those services…
October 9th, 2007 at 2:51 am>how come so many public schools are producing such horrible students?
public universtities? you mean like the community college you went to?
if you;re referring to high school, lets be honest…unless your going into a field that involves math, 95 percent of what you learn in high school is uselesss in your later life… what i’ve found in high school is mostly a popularity contest/socializing experience that provides an environment for you to screw around in without having to deal with any real repercussions. i have found that most people who miss this high school experience and are home school tend to have harder times dealing with other people, as thier personalties are less developed because of lack of social interactions. they usually tend to be either very rigid dogmatic people, or total petualant tripes like Micheal who think thier better than everyone else because Ma and Pa read them from a book of good learning instead of going to one of those godless heathen schools where they only say “god” once a day..
October 9th, 2007 at 2:54 amoh and Ron, please explain why the federal funds we know your community college received are irrlevant and we shouldn’t take that into consideration when considering whether you’ve ever received a government handout or not?
October 9th, 2007 at 2:57 am>The school teachers are other techs and dr’s- that is the faculty
none of this proves they dont receive federal funds, or that the hospital itself wouldnt up tuition costs to pay for other aspects of thier hospital if they didnt get federal funds for SOMETHING. i think you still refuse to give us the name of the school because your afraid we’re going to prove it gets federal funding and then your “im a self made man who never got no help from nobody ever for nuthin” would fall apart more than it already has.
October 9th, 2007 at 3:02 amIf anyone not on Jake’s “Rory and Me have threesomes with my dog” List would like to talk to “jake”, please let him know.
(crickets chirping)
October 9th, 2007 at 3:08 amvendetta I’m still waiting on those sections of the Tucker Carlson transcript that prove Clark was calling for Fatboy druggies censorship. make sure and post those excerpts when you seem me on sometime smart guy..
October 9th, 2007 at 3:10 amJake instead of seeking affirmation from imaginary women like “rory” why don’t you just beg for applause, like you’re hero fred thompson has to?
hahahaha. how apropriate.. a looser supporting a looser.. Dobson won’t even touch this guy, hes at least smart enough to know thompson is as phony as guiliani and the rest. Without the bible nuts THompson has no traction, and will be thoroughly trounced by GUiliani….
ah.. how apropriate is it that a babykilling transvestite will be the flagbearer for your party in 2008? oh wait. i forgot.., your an INDEPENDENT millionaire/war veteran/standford law graduate who spends all his time posting on the internet and getting banned from making coments even on relatively goosestepping sites like the washington post…hahahaha… right just like having played a president on tv makes thompson suited to be a real one.. hahahahahahahah
“jake” your pathetic… your too much of a worm and a nobody to even admit who you really are..
October 9th, 2007 at 3:49 amWell, I’ve been gone for a while, and now this thread is up to 920 posts, the majority of which have IGNORED the young man whose family is being slandered, denigrated, and “investigated” by a bunch of cruel, thoughtless, mean-spirited “conservatives,” hell-bent on carrying out their diabolical political agenda for their pimps.
So, back to the topic and the young man, Graeme Frost.
Graeme told his story of being involved in a severe car accident three years ago, and having received access to medical care because of the Children’s Health Insurance Program. He said:
If it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
Sorry, fellow progressives. I know you enjoy playing with the trolls (and pummeling the lies out of them), but you just leave thread laced with troll dung, and you forget Graeme Frost.
I’m not gonna let you forget him. And I hit “Report Abuse” on any troll who makes denigrating and defaming comments about him or his family. Rules of the road!
October 9th, 2007 at 3:55 am1. 2/3 of the children enrolled by SCHIP are enrolled in private health care plans. This is not government run .. it is not even like Medicare …. most states simply use the money to contract with a variety of private health insurers .. the states use the federal money to turn it over to the “free market” system … which is probably why most Republican in Congress, and the “free market” health care industry supports the additional funds.
2. If the religious folks actually investigated the historical record of Christ and the early Christians they would realize that all assets were turned over to the leader (rabbi — which is what Christ was too) who then doled them out according to need, starting with children and widows first. (Socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Gasp!!!
Now will someone please find the smelling salts for everyone on the right in this thread who has just fainted?
October 9th, 2007 at 4:47 amGraeme Frost said the program helped him and his family. The right has denigrated his entire family for being bold enough to speak out.
Graeme asked the current president not to veto the extension of the program. The current corrupt, crooked president ignored his plea and set his pit bulls on Graeme Frost and his family.
Perhaps the next president won’t be so cruel. Progressives can work hard in the next 12 months to make that more than a possibility.
Don’t forget Graeme Frost and what he said.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:57 am>Now will someone please find the smelling salts for everyone on the right >in this thread who has just fainted?
Don’t worry they will just ignore it, like they do anything that threatens to create an unacceptable level of cognitive dissonance for them, like the fact that Bin Laden and themselves have very similar views on taxes and abortion. Ron is still desparately trying to pretend he’s never gotten a penny of help from anyone, Vendetta is busy running down this kids parents because they didnt sell the one stable asset they had, and Jake… well jake is still pretending to be jake.
These guys have been brainwashed to have a knee jerk re-action to anything with socialistic overtones, and are so incredibly naive that they dont realise that socialistic programs are as much a part of our government and economy as free markets are. They only want to help thier fellow man if he prays to the same virile imaginary sky god they do.
Here is a clip of Jake’s hero, fred thompson, begging for applause.. hahahaha..all his imaginary political exprience will surely go far toward allowing “jake” to keep more of the monopoly money he calls his millions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgG0e3IEoIw
October 9th, 2007 at 4:59 amDon’t forget Graeme Frost and what he said.
October 9th, 2007 at 5:02 amhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/09/iran.protest.ap/index.html
this is an article about the evil hitleresque “dictator” of Iran getting jeered by students..in his own country.. again!
someone please explain to why these students still have heads and b@lls
if Argmadeonadhidad is really the stalinesue dictator you trolls claim…
Bigfwat? anyone? you have another brilliant article from a site with pop-up ads to explain how his own countrymen can get away with publicly ridiculing and chanting “Death to the dictator” to this guy whose supposed to be like hitler?
October 9th, 2007 at 5:07 amMr. P echoes his hero by parroting “poor kids first.” That’s what we have now, albeit at a very rudimentary level. Fine and dandy as far as it goes. But what the hell is wrong with “slightly less poor kids next,” which is what the legislation passed by Congress enacts?
What responsible society wouldn’t want ALL its children to grow up healthy?
S-CHIP is a valuable piece of socially responsible legislation that pays for itself. Must be why Dubya and his neocon enablers don’t care for it despite a clear Congressional consensus.
And Mr. P remains an ass.
October 9th, 2007 at 5:12 amRon your list of complains from an alleged canadian person is bullsh1ite. Please cite the canadian law that prevents anyone from paying for their own medical care, and that prevents a doctor from taking money from a private individual for thier healthcare.
And please cite something other than some freeper post you cut n pasted.
Then tell us the name of the school your got your fancy diploma from so we can see what government handouts they got..
October 9th, 2007 at 5:12 am>Mr. P echoes his hero by parroting “poor kids first.â€
right… these guys have taken enormous liberties redefining words like “torture” , “war” and “terrorist”.. surely they won’t begrudge us giving an ever so slightly more expansive definition to the word “poor”?
guys, can you give me a list of words your tiny flaghumping minds thinks
October 9th, 2007 at 5:21 amit is ok to redefine, and which arent, and please explain what justifies this distinction?
I don’t know, Tampa. Do you have a kid in a school on scholarship, and another in a school for children with brain injuries? Do you make $45,000 a year? Are you trying to make life better for your family by struggling to maintain a meager commercial property? If so, then I believe you should look into SCHIP for your kids.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:09 am>Maybe I can save some money by dropping my private health insurance >and looking for the government to take care of me. I’m inspired.
Does your family have as much brain damage to deal with? What am I asking, stupid question….
You can save some logic by cutting out a few points from Hillary’s platform and seeing how they stack up to the platform of HItler, all the while conveniently ignoring Bush’s quotes that we are merely “protecting the homeland” and that our invasions are “defending the homeland” that sound decidedly hitleresque. HItler frequently claimed god blessed his country and his actions, and that divinity was on his side. Sound familiar at all Tamponesque?
Speaking of comparisons to crazy people, I was wondering if you agree with bin laden that taxes in this country are too high, and that there should be a low 2.5 flat tax instead. Because that was in the fine print in the last part of his spiel. The media didnt give that comment much attention for some reason. Just seeing if you agreed with Bin Laden about anything or not.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:13 am>I don’t know, Tampa. Do you have a kid in a school on scholarship,
thats not relevant in Tampons mind. He picks and chooses the similarities to try and make his case, just like every argument he makes…
> and another in a school for children with brain injuries?
Judging from the likes of Micheal, I’d say he does.. its called “catholic school”..hahahah.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:16 amIf only Michelle Malkin and her conservative Fox Nuts ilk would put this much effort into debunking anything coming out of the White House, they might have realized that their favorite viewers, Bush and Cheney, have been lying to the country for years.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:30 amMore facts about SCHIP in Maryland (.pdf), since those hot dog sleuth artists on the right didn’t bother to include it:
So not only do the Frosts qualify for SCHIP based on income, they contribute a monthly premium.
Please note those FPL figures are for a family of 3; the Frosts are a family of 6.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:32 amp.s. Bin Laden is also on record as saying he doesnt think kids should eat too much candy. Trolls I guess this means that you guys need to start feeding the little mutations you call kids a dozen candybars at every meal just to spite laden, right?
October 9th, 2007 at 7:37 am>If only Michelle Malkin and her conservative Fox Nuts ilk would put this >much effort into debunking anything coming out of the White House,
No kidding, right? Have you give you a recommend for that one. Where is this deep need to “factfind” and have abosolute accuracy when it comes to WMD, or ties of Iraq to Al-Queda? Malkin is so brave perphaps she can go to Iraq and interrogate everyone that gets money from the united states about whether they deserve it or not. Let me tell you what, she wouldnt dare ask them, because she’d wind up on a meathook like other people who ask difficult questions in that part of the world.
If this family were iraqi these guys wouldnt think twice about the money they got, a thousand times over. But helping americans? Oh noo…. lets do an FBI background check to see if these guys may have any conceivable atribute which we could use to label them “not needy”.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:43 amThis is what happens when you own all of the media, and none of the content.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:58 amThat link to All Spin Zone in the Update is a good read.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:18 amJust cracks me up when people start debating what Jesus would say on a topic. What I want to know is what would Obi-Wan Kenobi say? No, wait, Superman was a champion of Truth, Justice, and the American Way. What would HE say? Would Clark Kent have gone banging on this family’s door trying to get some dirt on them? Would he have kicked away Tiny Tim’s crutches? These are burning questions, and much more important than the original point of this thread.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:47 am“It’s always the Republicans that are having gay bathroom sex and chasing underage boys – ”
The criminal party of perpetual fraud are also hate filled Gay bashers as well. Or is it just Republican Gays that they hate? Democrats have no problem with their fagots when they get under age pages drunk and rape them or run prostitution from their apartments.
Hey ex-lax ,
“i think you still refuse to give us the name of the school because your afraid we’re going to prove it gets federal funding and then your “im a self made man who never got no help from nobody ever for nuthin†would fall apart more than it already has.”
This might sound foreign to an imbecile such as yourself, it’s none of your G damn business. You are punk ass POS who can only feel good by putting other people accomplishments. You are the one that is afraid you democrat pussy.
“95 percent of what you learn in high school is uselesss in your later life…”
Maybe to a stupid progressive like you. What’s the matter , got low self esteem? Did you have a shit taste in your mouth being a liberal that you had to LOL, RE-INVENT yourself?
“who think thier better than everyone else”
Why do you always project what you actually feel onto others?
“When it’s run by Republicans, more so!” Lying pig. Who told you had had anything remotely informative to say?
You do realize that Government programs like Social Security and Medicare are about TEN TIMES more efficient than private alternatives – right?
Of course you don’t!
Comment by CoulterIsamAnn — ”
STFU! Shut the hell up you stupid democrat communist shit.
I refuse to believe their can exist such stupid asinine worthless people but here they are before my very eyes. There are two words that can solve this crisis that has plagued this Country from further decline, “MERCY KILLING”.
There are two types of people now in this Country , Americans and democrats. Being Registered Democratic means nothing to me. I have always been an American period even when I ignorantly and blindly voted democratic. That party has been dead and buried for some time now. And when I re-register to vote in the Republican Primary I will still be an American period.
This Country can do without these degenerates who are nothing but an embarrassment and a disgrace. This Country needs a democrat enema ASAP. There is no difference between the indoctrination of children in Islamic Madrasas and those who attend failed liberal public schooling. They are all about lies , fraud and hate. Pure evil.
I’ll never forget the desperation, anger and hate in the voice of this democrat at a private fund raiser as he pounded the podium and exclaimed:
“We are democrats! Social Security belongs to us! And we need to get back to where WE belong , in power!”
No! My Social Security does not belong to no damn democrat and I am with out a doubt certain that democrats belong no where near any positions of Power.
Loser Harry Reid , bugeyed Pelosi, Henry Waxman , Murtha and the Clintons and the rest of their minions prove everyday that they are incompetent unqualified and un-American beyond a shadow of a doubt.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:55 amI pity the poor fools who sit around waiting for Jesus to come back and save them from themselves.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:57 amThere have been any number of incarnations of enlightened teachers in the 2,000 years since he departed, but, just like Jesus, they end up being killed or exiled.
Dear RobLACal:
What a wonderful piece of writing, and so early in the morning, too. I won’t even mock the spelling and grammar because I know you put a lot of thought into your words and I understand this idea of Democrats has been eating at you for a long time. It must have been very upsetting for you to see Madame Speaker Pelosi take the gavel last November, and I know how hurtful it is for you to see the Senate in the hands of Senator Reid.
You do say you want your Social Security protected, so I hope you will send both Pelosi and Reid a thank you letter in your spare time. They will also overlook the fact that you never made it past 3rd grade.
However, I am concerned about that vein on your forehead. It looks like it’s about to pop any moment, and we would miss your valuable contributions to the dialogue.
Love and kisses.
October 9th, 2007 at 9:09 am“Democrats have no problem with their fagots when they get under age pages drunk and rape them or run prostitution from their apartments.”
Comment by RobLACal. — October 9, 2007 @ 8:55 am
I think Democrats would have a very BIG problem with anybody who supplies minors with alcohol — especially if they are in their employ. The Democrats would have an even BIGGER problem with anybody raping another person — gay or straight — especially one of their own. This is a crime, and should be treated as such.
As far as running a prostitution ring out of their home, the only Congressman who was ever accused of that was Barney Frank. He had befriended a male escort, who operated the business out of Frank’s home without his knowledge and while he was away. An investigation showed Frank had done nothing illegal (yes — Democrats DO get investigated when they give the appearance of misconduct, contrary to you wingnuts thinking they always get a free ride), but the House voted to reprimand him for his relationship with the male escort. After the scandal, Frank’s constituents returned him to office. And THEY are the real deciders
So what’s the difference between Frank and Foley? Between Frank and Craig? Frank wasn’t fooling around with minors. Frank wasn’t having sex in public. And most important, Frank wasn’t pretending to be straight and bashing gays while being gay himself.
If you are going to imply that Democrats have an agenda of corrupting minors and advocating rape as acceptable behavior, you should really back it up with some facts.
October 9th, 2007 at 9:38 am“…incompetent unqualified and un-American beyond a shadow of a doubt.”
Comment by RobLACal.
LOL
Heck of a job:
Brownie
Rumpsfelt
Turd Blossom
Paul Bremmer
Christie Todd Whitman
Alberto Gonzo
Monica Goodling
White House official who leaked OBL video and compromised intel…
and, last but not the least,
Dear Deciderer
LOL
October 9th, 2007 at 10:08 amMy favorite quote from the Malkin article:
Unlike health care stories pimped by the right wing. There is much less to those stories than meets the eye of the reader.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:37 amDemocrats didn’t have a BIG problem with Bill Clinton raping Juanita Broderick.
This is the reason why we can’t have Hilary as the nominee. Do we really want 4 years of this kind of nonsense? The right wing noise machine was created with this insanity filling the airwaves. All electing Hilary is going to do is reinvigorate the hate machine at a time when the propagandists are on the ropes. I think it’s a major mistake.
Seriously Rory, get a life.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:52 amSomething doesn’t add up here. If their mortgage is approximately $1200 a month, then their home insurance and property taxes must be outrageous. Either that or they have borrowed heavily on the house.
For a 30-year $55000 mortgage at 8%, the principal and interest would be about $400 a month (Note: There are several mortgage calculators available on-line where you can calculate this yourself.) I question why their mortgage is still so high after 16 years.
It would seem that there is a great deal more to the story than the media is reporting.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe New List of Republican Dislikes:
Children
Puppies
Kittens
Rainbows
Unicorns
Healthiness
Social Anything
Sunshine
Peace
Science
Sick People
Blacks
Arabs
Hollywood (Jews)
Forests
Miners
Taxes
Mexicans
The Constitution
Laws
Lawyers
Justice
Blogs
Giving
and last but not least
October 9th, 2007 at 10:58 amAmerica
You don’t agree with me one bit. And don’t pretend that you don’t want Hilary in the White House more than any other candidate. Maybe some people are falling for that but I’m not.
BUT, BUT, BUT Clinton did it too!
You want to milk that pathetic excuse for another 20 years.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:01 amYour obsession with Bill Clinton is really unhealthy.
GET A LIFE.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:06 amRory, you really must stop fantasizing about Bill Clinton. It just can’t be healthy for you.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:11 amDemocrats didn’t have a BIG problem with Bill Clinton raping Juanita Broderick.
Comment by Rory D. — October 9, 2007 @ 10:41 am
Good morning Jake.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:38 amStill using that ever popular, Rush Limbaugh induced, never happened- Bill Clinton rape story, I see.
Man, it really, I mean, REALLY must suck to be you.
JR: Something doesn’t add up here.
ummmmmmm, purchasing and financing are 2 different things …. ever hear of refinancing ….
October 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amI’m not Jake
Rory = Jake
October 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDemocrats didn’t have a BIG problem with Bill Clinton raping Juanita Broderick.
Comment by Rory — October 9, 2007 @ 10:41 am
They would have a big problem with it if Juanita Broaddrick’s story had any credibility. Assuming that the alleged rape even took place, she did not go to the authorities right away to report it, and when she did start talking about it (when Clinton was running for president — how convenient), it was after she was pressured into it by Clinton’s political enemies. Broaddrick gave affadavits, but balked at testifying under oath (as a matter of fact, the ONLY testimony she ever gave under oath was a refutation of her original statement). Her story no longer has any credibility, and the only people still trumpeting it are the far-right wingnuts (and we all know how fair and balanced they are).
Now — if Clinton committed rape in the White House (or any president, for that matter), and a formal accusation against him was made (complete with evidence against him), I would say that he would be condemned by people from both parties. Rape isn’t cool, and shouldn’t be condoned by anyone.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmUh, this is what I meant when I said get a life, dude.
October 9th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWow nearly 3000 words from Rory, none of which was answered and none of which was read I’m sure.
He’s starting to scare me, edging into Unabomber territory here.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI’m not sure how much or little I’m posting has anything to do with anything. Do you know how batsh!t crazy your last 10 posts has made you look?
October 9th, 2007 at 4:14 pmComment by CoulterIsamAnn
I’m enjoying your mockerey/insanity
October 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pmMore “batsh!t crazy†than someone who goes around the threads calling everyone else “batsh!t crazy� For the record, you were the one you told me to “GET A LIFE†while you post here every more than I do.
Dude you manically posted 3000 words which no one here is going to read. I don’t even understand this paragraph. It makes no sense. You seem really ticked at the get a life crack. Perhaps you’ve heard that one before, eh? LOL.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWait a second; I point to the exception in Matthew 19:9 and you want to go to Mark for the general rule instead? Who is “selectively†reading again?
Who gives a crap?
October 9th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIt’s creepy the way you say “the homosexual”.
October 9th, 2007 at 5:29 pm1032 arguments. Know how many arguments they are having in every other developed country in the world? Zero!
47,000,000 with zero healthcare. Know how many citizens in all the other developed countries in the world go without healthcare? Zero!
18,000 deaths every year in US due to no healthcare. Rest of developed world = Zero!
Amount Consumer Reports says US would save every year on administration by switch to single-payer = $250 Billion.
Hearing Rory spin itself to death = Priceless.
October 9th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI AM A MOTHER OF 4 , I WORK PART TIME i DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE FROM MY JOB, I AM IN COLLEGE NOW TO BETTER MY CAREER, I WIAH TO BECOME A TEACHER, I HAVE 4 KIDS TWO MARRIED AND TWO LIVE WITH ME AGES 14 AND 12, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN MY SON WAS GETTING HIS BROKEN ARM SET FROM AN ACCIDENT , AFTER PREVIOUSLY ONE YR BEFORE RECEIVING A BROKEN ARM FROM A SCHOOL BULLY, THE HOPSITAL SOCIAL WORKER TOLD ME ABOUT THE STATE S-CHIP PROGRAM IN MY STATE, SO I APPLIED FOR AND GOT IT FOR MY 2 YOUNG CHILDREN , I AM MAD AS CAN BE ABOUT BUSH’S VETO INDEED, AND THIS SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST AN AMERICAN FAMILY IS SO LOW ,DISGUSTING UN- ETHICAL AND UN AMERICAN INDEED .THIS IS HOW I FEEL AS A MOTHER. I WONDER IF THESE REPUBLICANS WHO LAUNCHED THIS ATTACK EVEN CARE ABOUT THEIR KIDS , OR IS IT JUST THAT THEY ARE UBER RICH AND DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY? THIS IS SHAMEFUL INDEED
October 11th, 2007 at 12:32 pmbrooklyngal4life, you do realize the program still exists, right? Your liberal buddies wanted to add enough money to cover the middle class too; including people making up to $80,000 a year. Does that sound fair. No. It sounds more like socialized medicine.
I feel for people like you who are being lied to by the liberals trying to change our society from a capitalist one to a socialist one. Please do your homework before getting so mad. The program DOES still exist and WILL continue to exist. Bush even wanted to add to it, but you libs wanted more than the additional $5,000,000,000 Bush was offering.
The poor kids in this nation are covered. Do you really want to add the middle class?
October 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pmHey, Keith, you said…”18,000 deaths every year in US due to no healthcare. Rest of developed world = Zero!”
Do you want a 50% income tax? Huh? Do ya? Do your homework, find out what it would cost, determine if YOU are willing to help pay for MY kids’ health care, and then get back to me.
Have you heard of anybody going to Canada or Europe, because of their wonderful health care? No, you don’t! Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL COMING HERE!
If you like it over there so much…MOVE THERE!
October 11th, 2007 at 4:06 pmstand2gain,
“….Have you heard of anybody going to Canada or Europe, because of their wonderful health care? No, you don’t! Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL COMING HERE!….If you like it over there so much…MOVE THERE!â€â€¦.
I am truly sick and tired of you stupid MFs always telling us liberals to love it or leave it. I say, if you don’t like the changes liberals are making in society, then you leave.
Didn’t you see in “Sicko†the couple who came here from Canada and had to buy a health insurance policy at Sears in case they got sick in this country so they won’t go bankrupt if they got sick here?
The only people who come from other countries for their health care are those that are fabulously wealthy and can afford the best health care.
The last time I was in Rochester, MN I saw an entire floor of the Kahler Hotel rented to some Saudis who were there for the best medical care money could buy, while the Frost family struggles to pay medical bills after a catastrophic accident.
So stand2gain, you should be ashamed of yourself. You just go to hell with your right wingnut ideas of death and destruction to all.
October 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pm