Gates v. Cheney on Iran?
By on Oct 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Gates v. Cheney on Iran?
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is reportedly the administration’s “chief opponent of air strikes and is the main reason President George W.Bush has yet to resort to military action.” The UK Telegraph reports: “Pentagon sources say Mr Gates is waging a subtle campaign to undermine the Cheney camp by encouraging the army’s senior officers to speak frankly about the overstretch of forces, and the difficulty of fighting another war.”
View Most Popular
Advertisement
What We're About
What We're Fighting For
What We're Fighting Against
Featured
Subscribe to the Progress Report
Topic CloudView topics sorted by popularity
Afghanistan
Bachmann
Beck
Boehner
Business
Cheney
Civil Rights
Congress
Corporate Ethics
Dobbs
Economy
Education
Election
Energy
Environment
Ethics
Fox News
Gingrich
Glenn Beck
Global Warming
Health Care
Immigration
International Relations
Justice
LGBT
Lieberman
Limbaugh
Media
Military
O'Reilly
Obama
Palin
Pelosi
Politics
Race
Radical Right
Religion
Sports
Steele
Stimulus
Tea Parties
Tea Party
Terrorism
Veterans
Women's Rights
Visit Our Affiliated Sites
Reports
In-depth studies on select topics
Got a hot tip?
Have a hot news tip? We'd love to hear from you. Use the form below to send us the latest.
ArchivesBlog Roll
let Bush and Cheney destroy each other on this one. The deserter vs the the 5 deferment draft-dodger.
I wonder which one the swift-boaters go after?
October 8th, 2007 at 1:49 pmHow about having the Generals just say how f@cking insane it’d be to start another non-essential war with a country in the M.E.? “Overstretch”? That’s not getting airplay. I wanna hear “Cheney’s a madman. We aint dropping bombs, period.”
October 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI wonder which one the swift-boaters go after?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 8, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
I vote for Cheney, either he shoots Gates in the face or he gets his SS Korps, Blackwater, to “detain” him in an undisclosed location in Eastern Europe.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHow is it that our government is so bat $hit insane that there’s only *one guy* successfully fighting our starting another fruitless war that we have no resources to fight?
How is that possible?
October 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI agree with Gates. We only need to bomb Iran, we don’t need to invade yet.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pmPaging Roger _Rhetoric to the iraqi-leaders-national-reconciliation-is-unattainable thread.
You have to clean up your mess over there before you can start making one here, RR.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmCould it be that the lone voice of sanity raises from academia?
If so, it says a lot about electing a president who only pulled C’s in college
October 8th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWould a bunker buster penetrate Cheney’s bunker? If so, think how many innocent lives such a strike would save. Not to mention saving what’s left of our national treasury.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:08 pmPiss soaked thread thanks to RogerRabbit! Let’s pop some popcorn for the Cheney vs. Gates duel, shall we? I’d like to believe that Gates has more intelligence and certainly more expertise than a 5 deferrment draft dodger and an AWOL druggie reservist. Besides, he probably doesn’t have as much invested in the military war machine as the Bush Crime Family and the Deadeye Dick Group has at this point. But then they say that money talks and bull$hit walks so this should be a juicy duel. En garde!
October 8th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRemoveBush: Sadly, these twisted trolls and fascist neocons don’t have a clue. None of them have ever seen combat or even served for that matter. To them, it’s all a cyber game where the identities of our fallen soldiers is like pure fiction to them.
What will they think when we find ourselves out there twisting in the wind? What will they think when they realize that the “Great Uniter” has, in fact, united the entire rest of the world against the US? Unfortunately, it will be too late for us by then.
The Brits know it’s coming and are cutting bait and running….before the onslaught.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmGuys, why do you even respond to Roger_Rhetoric? He’s strictly a drive-by troll nowadays…never sticks around to try to defend his demented assertions, so there’s little point in refuting them (unless you’re just using him as practice…)
October 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAnyone hear other leaks about the war crimes tribunal being set for Chimpy and Deadeye Dick? The Red Cross recently leaked info about the “gathering storm” surrounding Bush and The Dick which is precisely why they’re scrambling to obtain de facto exoneration for all of the international and domestic laws they’ve all broken. I can hear the beat of the drum now….ta-dum….and it’s not a drumbeat to attack Iran. It’s the final chapter in the Bush/Cheney Crime Show.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:14 pmYou’re right TMM! These inocuous malodorous necrotic asshats do not deserve a direct response. The propaganda has been inculcated for so long that they can’t possibly formulate an authentic or original opinion without their lockstep talking points…which are becoming more scarce as the countdown to prison begins for these thugs.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pmIt’s the final chapter in the Bush/Cheney Crime Show.
Comment by Veritas — October 8, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Better late than never. Can you imagine the world wide euphoria when these bastards are locked up.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmI agree with Gates. We only need to bomb Iran, we don’t need to invade yet.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 8, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Please explain why you think it is possible to bomb and not end up in a ground war with Iran, when our troops are bogged down across the border in Iraq?
What drugs are you taking to make yourself so delusional?
October 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmso there’s little point in refuting them (unless you’re just using him as practice…)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 8, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
How about, for ridicule and making fun of the moron?
October 8th, 2007 at 2:20 pmWayne, Roger_Rhetoric has been stained by too much repukian Koolaid to be able to think right. If you notice all of his posts are like some 14 year olds logic, sorta like a video game. Totally devoid of logic.
Buck Fush
October 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmAwww…a little righteous circle-jerk between Veritas and Mr. Monkey.
They heart eachother.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Aww, poor widdle CT misses his circle-jerks with the banned Mr.P and is jealous……
October 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pmRepublican foreign policy achievement:
October 8th, 2007 at 2:50 pmlies/distortions….>tragedy…>disaster…>mind-numbing catastrophe.
CT has been sounding grumpier and grumpier lately. But it gets to be a grind when you’re always on the losing side.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:53 pmBe sure to check out RR’s comment about super predators on the next thread up about global warming. It’s so weird I hardly know what to make of it.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:55 pmGates had better watch his back – or Darth’ll shoot him in it.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:55 pmBush and Cheney are sociopaths in love. If the question is reduced to making choices that account for the needs of others, I see no reason to expect that Gates will prevail. We are through the looking glass with this bunch. The Enlightenment need not apply.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pmCT_V1 sez:
Wow…your obsession and jealosy knows no bounds.
I’m just glad I don’t own a pet rabbit.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:58 pmCT_V1 sez:
And yet, you manage it every time you come here.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#37 Touche!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“I agree with Gates. We only need to bomb Iran, we don’t need to invade yet.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 8, 2007 @ 2:03 pmâ€
Right Wing Loon RogerX2’s reading comprehension is sadly lacking. So, Loon Roger, did you miss this part of the article:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is reportedly the administration’s “chief opponent of air strikes and is the main reason President George W.Bush has yet to resort to military action.â€
Gates is saying that we SHOULD NOT bomb Iran.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:06 pmCT_V1 sez:
Just because I can shave doesn’t make me “old”, whelp.
As for me “losing”, I must have dozed off. Kindly point out where that happened.
I think I hear your mom calling you, CT. Better get off her computer before she discovers you again.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:09 pmCT_V1 sez:
And CT continues to obsess over me.
What a b!tch.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pmActually, the main reason that Iran has not yet been bombed is because the US, France and Britain compromised with Russia, China, and Germany. They agreed to wait until the IAEA report comes out in Nov. before they start the bombing.
Comment by Princeps
Oh boy, we have a new Right Wing Loon. And this one thinks that Russia, China and Germany are going to allow us to bomb Iran (otherwise why would there be a need for a compromise). Sorry Princeps, if we bomb Iran, we are going to be in MAJOR trouble with Russia, China and Germany.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:11 pmCT is like a punch-drunk fighter who just keeps staggering into his opponent’s fist.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:11 pmTrust me,
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
And just what have you done to earn that trust, pray tell?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:23 pmPrinceps sez (emphasis mine):
October 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Princeps sez:
No, RB did not “misread” the pre-reports. I can only conclude you are being deliberately condescending, in an effort to skirt the issue.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pmPrinceps sez:
Yes, you did. Same sh!t, different name.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThen you’ll be begging to bomb Iran.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
This freak sounds like a certifiable bedwetter.
And yes, Princess, you did say essentially what Trip says you said.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmActually, I didn’t, you can check my posts for yourself.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
And just why will the report need “processing” for us to “understand” it?
Wait, don’t answer that question, lunatic. I don’t think I stand to hear more of your b*llsh*t.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pmWe see how these competitions worked out for the previous Secratary of State Powell. My guess is that after a few little meeting with the ever charming vice president and maybe some of his CFR buddies, and Gates will be lying up a storm in front of the UN.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm…when these bastards are locked up.- comment by jb
personally, I prefer to send them to the gallows. After all, it’s what Saddam got for his war crimes, and some of the Nazis at Nuremberg and Japanese militarists at Tokyo following WWII. Bush/Cheney et al, deserve nothing less.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pmMy guess is that after a few little meeting with the ever charming vice president and maybe some of his CFR buddies, and Gates will be lying up a storm in front of the UN.
Comment by willyloman — October 8, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Or maybe Karl’s shop will dig up some photos of Gates with his mistress to convince him to sing the administration’s tune.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:34 pmPrinceps sez:
Having the government “process’ the report so us poor benighted fools can understand it is a pretty transparent euphemism for fixing the facts to fit the policy. In fact, before I viewed your other posts, I assumed you were being humorous.
I don’t need the government’s help in understanding the IAEA report…in fact, judging from their previous conduct regarding previous reports, I’d say they need my help.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pmComment by VerbalKint — October 8, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
yep, that is always an option. Undoubtably these greed driven zealots will continue to bank on the loud parroting from the likes of our little resident troll puppet Princess, or whatever name he is going by these days, to try to make it look like there is still an percentage of american civilians that want this action taken. But in the end, the truth will come out as to the pure evil greed that is at the heart of this administration.
and on that day we can ship the gallows over from Iraq that did such a lovely job on Saddam for a sizing here.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:38 pmand to that end I would highly reccomend “Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein….
great book for understanding the pure treason that has been passed off for Reaganomics of Free Market Theory in the last couple of decades.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pmUntil the Brass gets some balls (not likely) and either start the “unnamed source”routine our lazy press love, go public and/or resign, this White House gang will continue to do what ever it pleases.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThe Forces of GOOD will always prevail over the axis of evil, for we have JESUS CHRIST, our LORD and SAVIOUR, on our side.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Point out where in the bible that Jesus stated, bomb thy neighbor, then?
Just who would Jesus bomb?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#67 wheels….coming…..off….
October 8th, 2007 at 3:43 pmYou are right about that Bushie. They will go into Iran when they damn well please, because the corporate media is right behind them, right along side our “leading” democratic candidates.
we need the 21st Century version of the Pentagon Papers!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pmPrincess is just quoting the bible to derail the thread even further. Pay no attention to the troll.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Wow, VerbalKint. Just saying the word ‘essentially’ sent Princess off into Fundie vapor-lock.
I think I’ll make a note of that word…never can tell when you’ll have to paralyze a Fundie… ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAnyone hear other leaks about the war crimes tribunal being set for Chimpy and Deadeye Dick? The Red Cross recently leaked info about the “gathering storm†surrounding Bush and The Dick which is precisely why they’re scrambling to obtain de facto exoneration for all of the international and domestic laws they’ve all broken. I can hear the beat of the drum now….ta-dum….and it’s not a drumbeat to attack Iran. It’s the final chapter in the Bush/Cheney Crime Show.
Comment by Veritas
Oh, don’t I hope and pray! I have my pom pom’s all fluffed up for their trial at the Hague. I am definitely taking vacation to go to that and cheer for the hanging of these war criminals!
This is one of the saddest times in American history. I only hope we can find our way home (as it were). I hope we can turn back to democracy and away from the fascist state we are rapidly becoming.
I went to a falcon (bird) show over the weekend (I am working in Germany this week) and one of the birds they had flying around was an American bald eagle. I literally cried for my country when it was doing its thing (swooping, divebombing – soooo cool!)….Proud of what it once stood for, yet ashamed for what it is now.
God help my country! No one else seems to be doing much these days!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pmPrincess sez:
Uh-oh….don’t let Saint Daryll hear you saying that… ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pmCheney and his company Haliburton has oil businesses with Iran since 2005. Now you know Cheney isn’t going to let his profit shares go up in smoke by attacking the country he does business with. So go ahead and believe the smoke and mirrors told by the US Media to cover up the real story about how Iran
is working with other countries and Germany about selling oil. Gates and Petraeus are fronts for what’s really going on. Fox News is doing it’s part too. Let’s see just how much Americans really know.
The Secret Service shot at the Iran President’s car while he was visiting the US oh they said it was a mistake ( right)
Iran-IAEA to Resume Talks on Tuesday. This reported by the foreign press.
Now you know the White House will tell the Media to make fake headlines and report about Britney rather then allow the Americans to know what’s really going on.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:49 pmPrincess sez:
Actually, Princess, you’re an idiot.
It is possible to use the term “essentally” without “asserting the existence of essences” in the context you are attempting to shoehorn him into.
This has got to be one of the most obvious, blatant, and clumsy attempts to derail a thread I have ever seen. It’s just plain laughable.
Here’s an idea…why don’t w return to a question VerbalKint asked you earlier:
VK excused you from answering the question, as he had had all the idiocy he could take, but I can take a few more hits for the team.
Let’s hear an answer, Princess. What exactly would this “processing” entail?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIt looks like some of you need to have The BIBLE processed for you by the proper experts so that you can understand it properly.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
And just who are these “experts” you refer to, princess?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI’m glad that General Gates is trying to insert a little sanity into the situation. I’m just not sure that he will succeed. Greed is a pretty big motivator, and Dick Cheney will not be denied.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWell, it’s 4:00 EDT, so I can’t wait around for Princess to make sense any longer.
I have to start the long commute home. But I’ll be back tonight Princess, and I’ll be expecting a somewhat cogent answer to the question posed in post #90.
Please don’t disappoint me further….
October 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pmCT is losing so he calls in backup and Princeps pops up.
It’s pretty sad when they can’t take us on one on one and need to call for backup.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIRAN DID NOT ATTACK aMERIKANA ON 911:
Princeps — Where r YOUR FACTTS?
Comment by GoTFreedumb
Since when do Right Wing Loons need facts. They wouldn’t know a fact if it bit them in the ass. They seem to operate under the delusion that if they say it (or some other Right Wing Loon says it), then it must be true. Sounds a lot like the Moron in Chief.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:13 pmPrinceps… gotta Mr P sneakin’ back on fer a few secs..
Anybody flag him yet?
I watched a really, really good documentary over the weekend…
“Tom Dowd and the Language of Music” If you haven’t seen it yet, it is TOTALLY worth finding. Tom Dowd was probably the best recording engineer of the 20th century and one of the people who made Atlantic Records so successful back in the fifties all the way to thru the eighties.
Anyways… I mention this because Tom Dowd was drafted at the end of WW II, and due to his brilliance in physics, was assigned to the Manhattan Project. He was one of the official Army observers at Bikini Atoll and witnessed the first underground atomic bomb test.
This doc has the BEST “atomic bomb going off” footage you will ever see in your entire life. It is HORRIFYING. You CANNOT imagine how big one of those blasts is from still photos.
Get this doc and look at it. If you STILL want to drop nukes after this, yer sick beyond words.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:15 pmBecause the unprocessed report could be “potentially misleading†for it might emphasize “isolated points†rather than “broad trends.â€
Comment by Princeps
Because the processed report would be misleading for it will emphasize cherry picked points rather than reality.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:16 pmIt’s pretty sad that they can’t provide any evidence to support their claims……
All they have is name calling…….
Comment by RemoveBush
I know. It’s pretty amazing. I don’t believe I have ever seen a Right Wing Loon backup their outrageous statements with proof. But, they don’t need no stinkin proof. They are a legend in their own minds and if they think or say something it must be true. In reality, they either have an IQ in the room temperature range or they are delusional.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:17 pmIt looks like some of you need to have The BIBLE processed for you by the proper experts so that you can understand it properly.
Comment by Princeps —
Oh, I see. Only “proper experts” can interpret the bible. I bet a whole bunch of religious scholars would be surprised to hear that. The Bible is not a fact filled document. It contradicts itself constantly. But the major precepts of the Bible and Christianity it totally removed from what these people represent (”these people” meaning the Bush Crime Family and all the Right Wing Loons who support them). Every time I see a car with a WWJS sticker on it, I want to ask them, “do you really think that Jesus would approve of what we are doing in Iraq” or “Do you really think that Jesus would think that torture was a good thing?” and finally, “do you really think that Jesus would want to see millions of children without health care or enough food to eat”?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:23 pmHas anybody figured a way to jam Darth’s pacemaker yet? We need to bring a swift end to this nightmare of a Cabal!
If Darth is gone and the rover is toast, we will see the last struggling efforts of Dubya to pretend he is the Decider/Commander guy. An ugly meltdown, but one that the world needs, and quickly.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pmthanks removebush.
you made my point.
well mr P?
Comment by GoTFreedumb — October 8, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Looks like mr. p is out of classes at this third tier N. Va college. So now we have to witness his meth meltdown before he gets banned again.
Sigh!
October 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pm“Let all the poisons in the mud hatch out!”
October 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pm— Claudius
Because the unprocessed report could be “potentially misleading†for it might emphasize “isolated points†rather than “broad trends.â€
Comment by Princeps
Stephen Biddle, saying that the Petraeus’ September testimony to Congress was “potentially misleading†because it emphasized “isolated points†rather than “broad trendsâ€
So, which is it you want Princess? Isolated points or broad trends?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:58 pmPrincess sez:
Yes, Princess, it is. You’re just going to have to take my word on this one.
That’s amusing, since it is precisely the government’s “processing” of the facts in Iraq that generated the problem you allude to. Thanks for making my point for me.
I thought I told you not to disappoint me further, Princess…
October 8th, 2007 at 5:53 pmIf you think that there is only one way of truly understanding the data (i.e. it is not open to interpretation) then I want the proper experts to explicate the data to the American people.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
The “proper” experts? You mean like those that scrubbed and changed the CIA reports on WMD in Iraq? Like the cherry-picking of data that Petreaous blabbed? You mean like the swifties did to Kerry and are trying to do to Murtha, Hil, Obama and others?
If so, then no thanks, don’t need their “help”. Will make my own decisions on the contents, OK?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:00 pmLooks like maybe DaddyBush is bailing out his retarded progeny this time(Gatesin jecting a little sanity into the NeoCON equation), and we all win; at least the sentient humans.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThat Gates fellow – he’s a troublemaker. He needs to be fired or retired or disposed of. Damn, Dubya can’t have any dissent in his quest for legacy.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:48 pmTrust me, once that IAEA report is done and the US govt processes it so that the American people can understand it properly, you all will be begging to bomb Iran.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
i don’t think so – el baradei hopefully will release his report to the public before the whitehouse gets hold of it and it probably will say nothing about a threat of nuclear weapons development in iran – and iran are willing to co-operate – if they weren’t then,sure,that would be something to worry about
October 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pmHey Fister Pee, is part of that “processing” going to include adding mention of some forged uranium documents, or some alchoholic informant named “curveball” provided to us by a convicted multimillion dollar embezzler?
Care to explain to us how well the dumbya “processing” of the “slam dunk” “evidence” of WMD in IRaq worked out? (yes, we know that there hasnt been 100 percent proof that saddam didnt give his WMD to aliens)
God, I’ve met alot of pathetic philosophy majors in my time, but mister pee ranks up there with the highest..
October 9th, 2007 at 6:48 am>http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/09/iran.protest.ap/index.html
if Iran is such a danger, please explain how students can repeatedly mock, and in fact call for the death of thier leader, TO HIS FACE, and keep their heads?
can you explain why such a brutal country with alleged genocidal tendencies isnt even willing to wipe a few of the students who call for the death of thier leader “off the map”?
tell me mr. p, if someone yelled out “death to the dictator” at a bush rally, what do you think would happen? what do you think should happen?
October 9th, 2007 at 6:52 am