Iraqi leaders: national reconciliation is unattainable.
Iraqi leaders: national reconciliation is unattainable.
The Washington Post reports this morning that “several top Iraqi leaders say they have lost faith in” the idea that “national reconciliation” can come amid the competing struggle for power of Iraq’s various factions. Reconciliation “is a very inaccurate term,” said Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih. “This is a struggle about power“:
Iraqi leaders argue that sectarian animosity is entrenched in the structure of their government. Instead of reconciliation, they now stress alternative and perhaps more attainable goals: streamlining the government bureaucracy, placing experienced technocrats in positions of authority and improving the dismal record of providing basic services.
“I don’t think there is something called reconciliation, and there will be no reconciliation as such,” said Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih, a Kurd. “To me, it is a very inaccurate term. This is a struggle about power.”
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I thought the Kurdish controlled parts of the country were the only parts where things were going even half well.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:16 amWell, there you have it. The Iraqi leaders themselves say that the goal we’ve ostensibly stayed over there to accomplish is impossible.
Can we bring our kids home now?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:18 amFrom the article:
“For much of this year, the U.S. military strategy in Iraq has sought to reduce violence so that politicians could bring about national reconciliation, but several top Iraqi leaders say they have lost faith in that broad goal.”
So, how do you spin this to say “the surge is working”?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:20 amThey would bring our troops home, if that WERE our GOAL…
but it’s not! We will plant a Friedman Ecconomy of Trickle Down graft all over the Middle East with Taco Bells on every corner!
Yea! Democracy! Bechtel Privatization Plans For Everyone!
hey Trip, check out my article, “A Line in the Sand”… i would like to hear your feedback on it.
It’s about why we are in Iraq and going to Iran…
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/
How are you, Trip?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:23 amRe: Iraqi leaders: national reconciliation is unattainable.
You just know the terrorists love this news. So who wants to be the first to accuse the Iraqi leaders of giving aid and comfort to them?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:26 am“I thought the Kurdish controlled parts of the country were the only parts where things were going even half well.”
They were going well until we decided to give weapons to the Kurds enemies!
More expolosions, more rebuilding contracts! Yippie! Cost Plus and no bid contracts! A partnership made in heaven.
If you own Halliburton stock… now who owns Halliburton stock? hmmm.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:26 amon a similar note:
Iraqi President Backs US Senate Proposal to Decentralize Iraq
By VOA News 08 October 2007
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani says he supports a U.S. Senate resolution that calls for the decentralization of Iraq into autonomous regions for Shi’ites, Sunnis and Kurds.
The non-binding Senate resolution adopted last month is opposed by the Bush administration and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
But, Mr. Talabani said in an interview with CNN Sunday that the Senate proposal deserves consideration and does not undermine Iraq’s unity.
[...]
http://voanews.com/english/2007-10-08-voa7.cfm
hmmmm…
October 8th, 2007 at 11:30 amit’s getting confusing… not?
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Britain to cut Iraq force to 2,500
October 8th, 2007 at 11:31 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_eu/britain_iraq
Well how about the Bush plan?
-Arm the Sunnis, so they can kill the Shi’a
-Lose 200,000 weapons to the black market, so Sectarian violence has plenty of resources
-Keep Iran inflamed so they try to shore up Shiite munitions
-Let private contractors kill civilians unimpeded…this always works
-Ignore diplomacy like a lost art
-Protect the oil infrastructure while ignoring food & water dispersal
-Demand at least 30% of all oil revenue go to outsiders. Forever.
-Build permanent military bases & tell the Iraqis we’re not doing it.
-Tell a fledgling Iraqi government how to govern & what to legislate
-Lie to the rest of the World about reasons to invade Iraq
-Once invaded, lie to the World about how long you’ll stay
-Change military leaders until you find one who agrees with you
-Have Republican congress critters go over to come back & say the whole effort is working splendidly
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October 8th, 2007 at 11:40 amanother take, from that cnn interview with talibani,
this time from usatoday:
Talabani: Most U.S. troops could leave Iraq by end of ‘08
BAGHDAD — Iraqi security forces arrested a suspected al-Qaeda member near the northern city of Kirkuk on Sunday in a raid that also netted a cache of 60 roadside bombs and 89 pounds of chlorine powder, commonly used for explosives by insurgents, the U.S. military said.
Meanwhile, Iraq’s president said at least 100,000 U.S. servicemembers could return home from Iraq by the end of 2008.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, in an interview aired Sunday on CNN, proposed that several U.S. military bases stay in Iraq.
[...]
Talabani, in the CNN interview, also expressed confidence in Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, an Arab from the Shiite Muslim majority. He said al-Maliki was not personally corrupt despite allegations of widespread corruption in his government. “He is a clean man,” Talabani said.
Talabani said it was in Kurdish interests to be part of a democratic, federal Iraq — not an independent Kurdish state, which would be landlocked and face hostility from neighbors with Kurdish minorities.
“There is no possibility of having an independent Kurdistan for many reasons,” he said.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:43 am[...]
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-10-07-us-troops_N.htm
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“No one thought that when we went into Iraq, it would crumble into civil war.”
How many different travesties have we seen justified in the past 7 years with the rationale “No one thought….”?
Maybe that’s what the Bush Legacy will be: No One Thought
October 8th, 2007 at 11:46 amI am happy that they are finally starting to work together to get basic services running to the people. One more sign the American forces are winning.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:49 amGame over.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:51 am#14 – winning what?
October 8th, 2007 at 11:51 amI am happy that they are finally starting to work together to get basic services running to the people. -Roger Rhetoric
My God, man, are you just here to make people shake their heads in disbelief? Do you realize most Iraqis don’t even have clean drinking water? Or 2 hours of electricity daily?
2 million displaced or in refugee status.
Cholera widespread throughout the country.
100,000 dead civilians, including children.
Private contractors, immune from law, killing women & children.
Global dismay about the USA turning Fascist.
Yeah, Roger, things are really looking up. Yeah. Sure. You Betcha.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:56 amRoger_Rhetoric sez:
Interesting, how you seem to get “the American forces are winning” from “national reconciliation is unattainable”…perhaps because the real goal of this administration is not to reconcile, but to foment the maximum amount of discord?
Remember, RR, when you get your daily fax of neocon apologist talking points, you’re not supposed to push the passages in red…that’s for internal consumption only.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:57 amFan of Man;
Don’t bother… I was argueing with someone last week about us “winning” or not winning, and I eventually asked him, who exactly we were “winning” against… and he couldn’t even answer that simple question.
These people don’t even know who are killing our Soldiers over their. It’s worse than Vietnam because the damn MSM is so polluted by corporate influences now.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:59 am#14 – winning what?
Comment by Fan of Man — October 8, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Roger squared has the same view as his Repug associates: If they get a roof fixed (that we probably bombed) and less than 100 troops died last month, “we are winning”.
Gotta get creepy, always looking through those rose-colored (and distorted) glasses, don’t ya think?
October 8th, 2007 at 12:00 pm(there) I mean. opps. :)
October 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pmwillyloman – yeah, i keep running into that too…. good thing i have a lot of crackers to feed all these parrots…..
October 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pmupside99 – agreed!
October 8th, 2007 at 12:02 pmIt must be difficult for these water carriers…
Three years ago you couldn’t say anything against the “war” and now look at how hard they have to try to spin every little bit of info to milk a drop of something positive out of it.
The truth has a funny way of showing up and spoiling their little “party”, now don’t it?
October 8th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“good thing i have a lot of crackers to feed all these parrots…..”
I should buy some Saltine Stock!
October 8th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by upside99 — October 8, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
And that of Brit Hume, who once said something like this: it shouldn’t be surprising if a higher number of troops, the result of the surge, are killed, because there will be a greater number of them for the enemy to shoot at. As well, he said that this does not necessarily mean that the surge is a failure.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:05 pmGordon Brown has showed more leadership in 3 months than George Bush has in 7 years.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThe best measure of the failure of the surge, is the growing number of displaced Iraqis thoughout the country.
The Anbar success is simply that they armed the militias that were attacking our troops because our troops were keeping them from the ethnic cleansing of the province.
Now that we have stopped “getting in their way” the Sunnis are free to kill or chase off the Shia families in the area.
Then you factor in that they have changed how they record a killing as “sectarian” or not based on how many shots were fired and whether or not the bullets entered the back or the front of the victims skull, and you have instant “success”.
Kind of like stopping the vote count while Bush was still ahead by 100 or so votes…
He won, in a certain way of looking at it. And so is the surge “working”.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:11 pmHmmmmmm… I think it’s time Bush replace those Al Queda-sympathizin’, no-account Iraqi government politicians with the men who’ll do just what he’s always wanted in the first place: the loyal Americans from Halliburton and Blackwater. After all, nothing brings results like graft and thuggery, especially when you’re tryin’ to establish democracy. The Eye-raky people will be grateful, no doubt, to be liberated from the humiliation of having their own citizens running things. Once Halliburton and Erik Prince have installed their new offices in the Green Zone, the people will spontaneously erupt into parades and celebrations.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:20 pmPrivatization and Resourse Theft for all My Friends!
That’s right folks, we can prop up the NASDAQ by forcing our companies down the throats of every single nation on the Planet!
At the Taxpayers Expense! It’s Brilliant!
please read my blog. the terrorist win if you don’t read my blog. I pathetic.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:23 pmOne more sign the American forces are winning.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 8, 2007 @ 11:49 am
One more sign that R2 has gone off his meds…
October 8th, 2007 at 12:27 pmGordon Brown has showed more leadership in 3 months than George Bush has in 7 years.
Comment by Zimzone — October 8, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
And don’cha remember how the trolls were all crowing about Brown standing tall /w Bush when he took over from Blair?
October 8th, 2007 at 12:28 pmOK…let me see if I’ve got this straight…
We attack Iraq.
We overthrow Sunni Saddam and kick all the Sunnis out of the government, out of the army and out of their jobs. But we forget to take their weapons.
We arm the Shia militias.
Then, we hand over power to a puppet Shi’ia government – that promptly declares an Islamic theocracy and aligns itself with Shi’ia Iran. Shi’ia deathsquads promptly start in with the business of ethnic cleansing of Sunnis.
We start re-arming the Sunnis and encourage them to fight the Shia militias.
We declare war on Iran.
We proclaim we are winning.
WTF is wrong with this picture…???
October 8th, 2007 at 12:35 pmPower struggle, as in the Kurds want their own government and land, Sunnis want their own government and land, Shites want their own government and land.
Let the civilwar happen, they will have to get along with each other sooner or later.
But no, BIG OIL owns our politicians and we are not going to give up that oil for anything, so we are gonna be there a very, very, very, long time, at least till they run out of oil. But by then the world will be in total chaos because we did not do something about it now.
Buck Fush
October 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pmif we as a citizenry rescued the Iraqi people from our own military BY ENACTING THE NATIONAL INITIATIVE. They would change their view on the average American over night!
http://www.ni4d.us
October 8th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWith the Iraqi government saying that our goal is (has been?) impossible to achieve and in August they voted for our immediate withdrawal (removal) from their country, what’s left here? It’s beginning to look like the only thing that’s ever been going on is a demented dictator’s “BLOOD FOR OIL” war.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWe, the Liberators, aka “The Occupiers”, have now become the terrorists that the Iraqi people need to be rescued from. Amazing.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI am happy that they are finally starting to work together to get basic services running to the people. One more sign the American forces are winning.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 8, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Did you even read the article?
How in the f*cking hell did you come to this idiotic conclusion?
October 8th, 2007 at 1:14 pmPlease explain.
“National reconciliation is unattainable” here in the USA as long as this illegal occupation of Iraq continues. The war coming home is Bushcos biggest fear and it is happening….hence the right wing slanders of our troops.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pmR2 just did a drive-by, throwing his monkey feces on the wall and taking off, no time to defend his statement, just slither away.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pmYeah, what do you expect from someone too cowardly to fight in Iraq? Acting like a juvenile punk is all the poor little coward has!
Comment by CoulterIsamAnn — October 8, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
I guess Chickenhawkitis is running rampant in the Repug camp. And there is no cure.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI would like to know 2 things:
October 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pm1) So do the political leaders of Iraq want a division of the country among religious lines>
2) Considering Shrub’s excellent record of promoting political reconciliation in the USA, is he the person to promote reconcilliation in Iraq ?
Is anyone surprised by this. The Kurds have already signed a contract with Turkey for oil. That’s old news now it’s new to the US Media. Those contracts were signed along time ago but of course the US Media and the White House didn’t bother to report it. Now the overseas media had it as headlines, but Americans were watching Paris Hilton DUI story. A lot has been going on while the Media reports Britney, OJ, Linsey and others stars problems but forget to report about what’s really going on. Good news is Dubai is having a weapons sale but you’d have to read about that in the foreign press.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:59 pm